I am new to project and have been told that each task must have
predecessors, and successors. With the exception of the first and last tasks
in a project. If they don't project will not be able to calculate the end
date of a project. I am just wondering if this is god or bogus information.

Re: Predecessors by Jan

Jan
Sat Nov 19 08:04:37 CST 2005

Hi,

Yes and no.
It is a good thing to link all tasks to each other... but you do not have to
introduce predecessor and succesor information just because Project would
need that.
Predecessor and successor information is supposed to REFLECT REALITY.
If a task can't start before an other task has finished (when the task uses
the result of the other task) there is a relationship between the both and
your MS Project plan should reflect that, no more, no less.

When a task has no relation to any other task (which means it can start
right now and doesn't have to end before the end of the project) it won't
have precdecesors and successors.

But what IS good information is this: YOU SHOULD NOT, NOT AT ALL, calculate
dates yourself and enter these. Let theh scheduling engine of Project do its
work: link tasks, but also enter resoruces and use resource leveling to
avoid overallocations...

And finally... it's quite a task to study Project. Why not take a course
before spending weeks to discover it?

HTH
--
Jan De Messemaeker
Microsoft Project Most Valuable Professional
http://users.online.be/prom-ade/
+32-495-300 620
"SMERTZ" <smertens@mho.com> schreef in bericht
news:#vn5R8Q7FHA.2600@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> I am new to project and have been told that each task must have
> predecessors, and successors. With the exception of the first and last
tasks
> in a project. If they don't project will not be able to calculate the end
> date of a project. I am just wondering if this is god or bogus
information.
>
>



Re: Predecessors by SMERTZ

SMERTZ
Sat Nov 19 08:47:21 CST 2005

Thank you, this is good information.

I did actually take an online course to get familiar with project standard
2003. I thought the information that all tasks must be linked was bad info,
but did not know why. When I look at the network view, and all tasks are
linked I see a project laid out in a linear fashion. Of course most
projects aren't linear like that. I just wanted to be certain that project
would still calc the end date of the project. This has more to do with my
unfamiliarity with MS Project.

I am glad I found this group, in reading through it I found much good
advice, and I have a place to ask newbie questions.

"Jan De Messemaeker" <jandemes at prom hyphen ade dot be> wrote in message
news:eazBqIR7FHA.1028@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> Hi,
>
> Yes and no.
> It is a good thing to link all tasks to each other... but you do not have
> to
> introduce predecessor and succesor information just because Project would
> need that.
> Predecessor and successor information is supposed to REFLECT REALITY.
> If a task can't start before an other task has finished (when the task
> uses
> the result of the other task) there is a relationship between the both and
> your MS Project plan should reflect that, no more, no less.
>
> When a task has no relation to any other task (which means it can start
> right now and doesn't have to end before the end of the project) it won't
> have precdecesors and successors.
>
> But what IS good information is this: YOU SHOULD NOT, NOT AT ALL,
> calculate
> dates yourself and enter these. Let theh scheduling engine of Project do
> its
> work: link tasks, but also enter resoruces and use resource leveling to
> avoid overallocations...
>
> And finally... it's quite a task to study Project. Why not take a course
> before spending weeks to discover it?
>
> HTH
> --
> Jan De Messemaeker
> Microsoft Project Most Valuable Professional
> http://users.online.be/prom-ade/
> +32-495-300 620
> "SMERTZ" <smertens@mho.com> schreef in bericht
> news:#vn5R8Q7FHA.2600@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> I am new to project and have been told that each task must have
>> predecessors, and successors. With the exception of the first and last
> tasks
>> in a project. If they don't project will not be able to calculate the
>> end
>> date of a project. I am just wondering if this is god or bogus
> information.
>>
>>
>
>



Re: Predecessors by Mike

Mike
Sat Nov 19 10:08:34 CST 2005

Hi SMERTZ ,

You might like to have a look at my series on Microsoft Project in the
TechTrax ezine, at this site: http://tinyurl.com/2xbhc or this:
http://pubs.logicalexpressions.com/Pub0009/LPMFrame.asp?CMD=ArticleSearch&AUTH=23
(Perhaps you'd care to rate the article before leaving the site, :)
Thanks.)

FAQs, companion products and other useful Project information can be seen at
this web address: <http://www.mvps.org/project/>

Mike Glen
MS Project MVP

SMERTZ wrote:
> Thank you, this is good information.
>
> I did actually take an online course to get familiar with project
> standard 2003. I thought the information that all tasks must be
> linked was bad info, but did not know why. When I look at the
> network view, and all tasks are linked I see a project laid out in a
> linear fashion. Of course most projects aren't linear like that. I
> just wanted to be certain that project would still calc the end date
> of the project. This has more to do with my unfamiliarity with MS
> Project.
> I am glad I found this group, in reading through it I found much good
> advice, and I have a place to ask newbie questions.
>
> "Jan De Messemaeker" <jandemes at prom hyphen ade dot be> wrote in
> message news:eazBqIR7FHA.1028@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>> Hi,
>>
>> Yes and no.
>> It is a good thing to link all tasks to each other... but you do not
>> have to
>> introduce predecessor and succesor information just because Project
>> would need that.
>> Predecessor and successor information is supposed to REFLECT REALITY.
>> If a task can't start before an other task has finished (when the
>> task uses
>> the result of the other task) there is a relationship between the
>> both and your MS Project plan should reflect that, no more, no less.
>>
>> When a task has no relation to any other task (which means it can
>> start right now and doesn't have to end before the end of the
>> project) it won't have precdecesors and successors.
>>
>> But what IS good information is this: YOU SHOULD NOT, NOT AT ALL,
>> calculate
>> dates yourself and enter these. Let theh scheduling engine of
>> Project do its
>> work: link tasks, but also enter resoruces and use resource leveling
>> to avoid overallocations...
>>
>> And finally... it's quite a task to study Project. Why not take a
>> course before spending weeks to discover it?
>>
>> HTH
>> --
>> Jan De Messemaeker
>> Microsoft Project Most Valuable Professional
>> http://users.online.be/prom-ade/
>> +32-495-300 620
>> "SMERTZ" <smertens@mho.com> schreef in bericht
>> news:#vn5R8Q7FHA.2600@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>> I am new to project and have been told that each task must have
>>> predecessors, and successors. With the exception of the first and
>>> last tasks in a project. If they don't project will not be able to
>>> calculate the end
>>> date of a project. I am just wondering if this is god or bogus
>>> information.




Re: Predecessors by John

John
Sat Nov 19 11:21:49 CST 2005

In article <unCBvgR7FHA.3592@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl>,
"SMERTZ" <smertens@mho.com> wrote:

> Thank you, this is good information.
>
> I did actually take an online course to get familiar with project standard
> 2003. I thought the information that all tasks must be linked was bad info,
> but did not know why. When I look at the network view, and all tasks are
> linked I see a project laid out in a linear fashion. Of course most
> projects aren't linear like that. I just wanted to be certain that project
> would still calc the end date of the project. This has more to do with my
> unfamiliarity with MS Project.
>
> I am glad I found this group, in reading through it I found much good
> advice, and I have a place to ask newbie questions.
>
> "Jan De Messemaeker" <jandemes at prom hyphen ade dot be> wrote in message
> news:eazBqIR7FHA.1028@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > Hi,
> >
> > Yes and no.
> > It is a good thing to link all tasks to each other... but you do not have
> > to
> > introduce predecessor and succesor information just because Project would
> > need that.
> > Predecessor and successor information is supposed to REFLECT REALITY.
> > If a task can't start before an other task has finished (when the task
> > uses
> > the result of the other task) there is a relationship between the both and
> > your MS Project plan should reflect that, no more, no less.
> >
> > When a task has no relation to any other task (which means it can start
> > right now and doesn't have to end before the end of the project) it won't
> > have precdecesors and successors.
> >
> > But what IS good information is this: YOU SHOULD NOT, NOT AT ALL,
> > calculate
> > dates yourself and enter these. Let theh scheduling engine of Project do
> > its
> > work: link tasks, but also enter resoruces and use resource leveling to
> > avoid overallocations...
> >
> > And finally... it's quite a task to study Project. Why not take a course
> > before spending weeks to discover it?
> >
> > HTH
> > --
> > Jan De Messemaeker
> > Microsoft Project Most Valuable Professional
> > http://users.online.be/prom-ade/
> > +32-495-300 620
> > "SMERTZ" <smertens@mho.com> schreef in bericht
> > news:#vn5R8Q7FHA.2600@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> >> I am new to project and have been told that each task must have
> >> predecessors, and successors. With the exception of the first and last
> > tasks
> >> in a project. If they don't project will not be able to calculate the
> >> end
> >> date of a project. I am just wondering if this is god or bogus
> > information.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >

SMERTZ,
I agree with Jan for the most part but differ in one area. My contention
is that every task in a project MUST have a successor, even if the only
successor is the end milestone. If the end milestone is not dependent on
one or more tasks, then those tasks are superfluous and are not required
for completion of the project. Why work on, (i.e. pay for), something
that is not needed?

John
Project MVP

Re: Predecessors by Steve

Steve
Sat Nov 19 12:07:06 CST 2005

Adding a bit to Jan - *if* you have a start and finish milestone, then you
could say that all tasks except those two will have both a predecessor and a
successor. If a task doesn't have any actual work which must be done as a
pre-condition to its being started, the "start" milestone will be its
predecessor. If a task has no activity as a sucessor, then it has the
finish milestone as a successor.
--
Steve House [MVP]
MS Project Trainer & Consultant
Visit http://www.mvps.org/project/faqs.htm for the FAQs


"SMERTZ" <smertens@mho.com> wrote in message
news:%23vn5R8Q7FHA.2600@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>I am new to project and have been told that each task must have
>predecessors, and successors. With the exception of the first and last
>tasks in a project. If they don't project will not be able to calculate
>the end date of a project. I am just wondering if this is god or bogus
>information.
>