MAS
Fri Jun 09 09:59:02 CDT 2006
Labour costs are absolutely considered capital. If a resource is working on
an item that can be capitalized - coding a new system - the cost associated
with that task (their fully loaded salary) are capital. This is a very common
practice in business. Many times costs associated with the development of a
system or application are capitalized.
Also, you are correct that Project is not an accounting tool. But, project
provides the mechanism for actual costs in addition to "estimated" costs.
"Steve House [MVP]" wrote:
> Question though - I've never heard of labour costs being considered capital
> costs. Aren't salaries, rents, utilities, expendable supplies, etc always
> operating expense items, not capital items? The costs of tasks are almost
> always made up of those sorts of expenditures, at least I can only think of
> one or two exceptions. Even when a piece of capital equipment like a new
> bulldozer is purchased explicitly for the project its full purchase price is
> not a part of the project cost or budget - only the portion of the
> depreciation of that asset that is attributable to the hours it used within
> the project counts in the project budget and the rest of the cost must be
> accounted for elsewhere in the firm. Only when a capital asset is
> acquired - a new server perhaps - that is physically incorporated into the
> final project deliverable and is turned over to the customer at the
> conclusion of the project does its full cost get included in the project
> costs.
> --
> Steve House [Project MVP]
> MS Project Trainer & Consultant
> Visit
http://www.mvps.org/project/faqs.htm for the FAQs
>
>
>
> "JJKEN" <JJKEN@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:B457A039-1B05-4FC3-91AC-5E7E9C7F1A15@microsoft.com...
> > Actually when doing software development for a new application or system,
> > tasks associated with building the system are considered capital
> > expenditures
> > and are included in the cost of the system - therefore can be depreciated.
> > Otheritems are not - training, project administration, data migration,
> > process improvements.
> >
> > I get your point about project not being a cost tracking tool, but for the
> > lack of having one it is the best thing we have that allows for tracking
> > project tasks and actual work effort/costs.
> >
> > "Steve House [MVP]" wrote:
> >
> >> How can a task be either one? The tasks themselves (contrasted with
> >> their
> >> costs) are not single expenditure categories. I am not an accountant but
> >> I've always understood "capital" and "expense" to be accounting concepts
> >> that categorize expenditure accounts based on their lifetime but a "task"
> >> isn't a line-item expenditure account in the same sense that purchases of
> >> electricity or a new truck might be. A project task is always an
> >> observable
> >> physical activity being performed by a resource that results in the
> >> creation
> >> of a concrete deliverable. The cost of the task is the cost of the
> >> assets
> >> incorporated into the deliverable and the labour costs incurred paying
> >> the
> >> resources performing the work. It seems to me that from an accounting
> >> standpoint labour and material costs would always be expenses and never
> >> capital expenditures. Never heard of anyone paying an engineer X dollars
> >> in
> >> salary at the end of the month and then depreciating that amount over a 3
> >> or
> >> 5 year schedule the way you would depreciate the purchase price of a
> >> piece
> >> of capital equipment <grin>.
> >>
> >> "Task X" would not be a budget category at all, but the labour that is
> >> spent
> >> doing task X would probably be attributed to an expense budget category
> >> while a special piece of equipment purchased in order for the resource to
> >> do
> >> the work may well be a capital acquisition in the capital expenditure
> >> category. So where would you place that task in the balance sheet?
> >>
> >> I comment because it is important to remember that Project is a work
> >> scheduling program, primarily intended to plan the activities of human
> >> beings and it is NOT an accounting program except in that it can estimate
> >> projected costs and provide data for input into a real accounting
> >> application. It's always a good idea to use the right tool for the job
> >> at
> >> hand.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Steve House [Project MVP]
> >> MS Project Trainer & Consultant
> >> Visit
http://www.mvps.org/project/faqs.htm for the FAQs
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "JJKEN" <JJKEN@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:2E56C0C8-1CC6-4E95-BB0C-E31D283373BD@microsoft.com...
> >> > Is there an easy way to classify a task as capital or expense? Perhaps
> >> > setting a text field or something.
> >> >
> >> > My goal is to either sum up all the Cap and Exp items to come up with
> >> > budget
> >> > number for each and actual tracking once the project begins. If I have
> >> > an
> >> > indicator, I suppose I can dump into excel and sort by this indicator.
> >> > Any
> >> > thoughts?
> >>
> >>
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