Why not WYSIWYG?

Hey-
I've been updating a presentation in PP2007 that was created in PP2002.
After (exhaustive) tweaking and checking for accuracy, I found that when I
created the new CD, then ran it from CD, that it was not WYSIWYG....and I'm
confused. When I run the show on the system it runs perfectly. When I run
it from CD some things have changed. What is confusing, when I go back to
check the issues in the (now original) 2007 file, I can't see see the
problems.....so it's all but impossible to know what to correct. In
addition, I have a small .avi that runs (or is supposed to run) during the
show and the same situation exists....runs on the computer....stalls and
never runs on the CD. Can anyone tell me what I'm experiencing here (other
than frustration and hate) and offer a solution? Thanks.

dreamparty
Wed Jul 23 09:21:02 CDT 2008

Jim,
Try some other ways:
You can save your PowerPoint slides to images and then use Windows Movie
Maker to make a movie and then burn it to DVD.
You can also use some screen recording program to record your presentation.


"Jim Varner" wrote:

> Hey-
> I've been updating a presentation in PP2007 that was created in PP2002.
> After (exhaustive) tweaking and checking for accuracy, I found that when I
> created the new CD, then ran it from CD, that it was not WYSIWYG....and I'm
> confused. When I run the show on the system it runs perfectly. When I run
> it from CD some things have changed. What is confusing, when I go back to
> check the issues in the (now original) 2007 file, I can't see see the
> problems.....so it's all but impossible to know what to correct. In
> addition, I have a small .avi that runs (or is supposed to run) during the
> show and the same situation exists....runs on the computer....stalls and
> never runs on the CD. Can anyone tell me what I'm experiencing here (other
> than frustration and hate) and offer a solution? Thanks.
>
>
>

Austin
Wed Jul 23 09:44:14 CDT 2008

Can you be specific as to what is missing?



Austin Myers
AT&W Technologies

Creators of PFCPro, PFCMedia, and PFCExpress
www.playsforcertain.com

"Jim Varner" <pinger@ec.rr.com> wrote in message
news:eZ8JlrM7IHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Hey-
> I've been updating a presentation in PP2007 that was created in PP2002.
> After (exhaustive) tweaking and checking for accuracy, I found that when I
> created the new CD, then ran it from CD, that it was not WYSIWYG....and
> I'm confused. When I run the show on the system it runs perfectly. When
> I run it from CD some things have changed. What is confusing, when I go
> back to check the issues in the (now original) 2007 file, I can't see see
> the problems.....so it's all but impossible to know what to correct. In
> addition, I have a small .avi that runs (or is supposed to run) during the
> show and the same situation exists....runs on the computer....stalls and
> never runs on the CD. Can anyone tell me what I'm experiencing here (other
> than frustration and hate) and offer a solution? Thanks.
>
>

Echo
Wed Jul 23 10:44:52 CDT 2008

Well, when you package for CD in 2007, PPT converts the file to a
97-2003-format file so it can run from the CD. This is because the
compatibility pack won't run from the CD. And since the compat pack is
necessary for the Viewer to open 2007-format files, the PPT Viewer on the CD
needs that older-format file.

I know, I know. Don't shoot the messenger.

So I'm guessing the problematic stuff is related to the conversion. For
example, SmartArt is converted to an image in the 97-2003 format, so it
won't animate in the Viewer.

Can you give us some specifics as to what has changed? We may be able to
offer you some "best practices" or workarounds when designing specifically
for a CD.

Or it could be just some old bugs that are coming to light now. I know there
were a couple that tend to show up when the 2007 package for CD is used, but
I couldn't tell you what they are specifically, sorry. Round-tripping
through HTML in an older version before opening in 2007 often clears them
out. (Again, don't shoot the messenger. I think it's a stupid excuse, too.)

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx


"Jim Varner" <pinger@ec.rr.com> wrote in message
news:eZ8JlrM7IHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Hey-
> I've been updating a presentation in PP2007 that was created in PP2002.
> After (exhaustive) tweaking and checking for accuracy, I found that when I
> created the new CD, then ran it from CD, that it was not WYSIWYG....and
> I'm confused. When I run the show on the system it runs perfectly. When
> I run it from CD some things have changed. What is confusing, when I go
> back to check the issues in the (now original) 2007 file, I can't see see
> the problems.....so it's all but impossible to know what to correct. In
> addition, I have a small .avi that runs (or is supposed to run) during the
> show and the same situation exists....runs on the computer....stalls and
> never runs on the CD. Can anyone tell me what I'm experiencing here (other
> than frustration and hate) and offer a solution? Thanks.
>
>

Jim
Wed Jul 23 14:51:07 CDT 2008

OK, heres a few examples: (there were several)

1-there was (is) at least on situation where a text box with, say, six
lines of text with normal spacing shows on the new CD that on the new CD
shows with maybe 8-10 spaces between two words where there is the nomal ONE
space when I look at it on the system.

2-there were two instances where successive lines of scipt with a time
entrance set at RISE UP. I think there's ten line...each one stopping below
the preceeding...so where all have come up you can read them all at the same
time. The first few, it looks like every letter is coming up on top of one
another and is compressed into the area the size of a dime, then all of a
sudden, one comes up perfectly, then the new few come up mess up, like the
first one.

3-there was one heading text box where everything is centered in the old
version, and on the new CD, the text is way up on top, and only the top or
the bottom of it is actually visible...I don't recall which..

4-there is the instance I mentioned in the post where a 10 second .avi
(supposed to run concurrently with audio) does not run...stays
black....while the audio runs. All set at auto and across sides, and with
previous ( like I said , this looks all great when run on the machne)

5-there is an instance where there is a photo of someone with a text boxt to
the left with three words on three successive line. The last letter on the
word on the first line wrap down and puts itself on the second line.

Those are the ones I can decipher on the notes that I was scribbling as I
tried to watch the new CD.

Call me naive, but I was hoping against hope that PP2007 would be smart
enough to be able to convert 2002 in an intellible way, but......

Now this wouldn't be so bad if I could see all this stuff and just fix
it....but I can "see" any problems in the original .ppt.

I'm thinking the best fix may be to go in and totally re-create the problems
slides, re-pulling from the outside anything I need, re-formatting,
re-timing, and deleting the old slide. The avi. was created in 2007, so I
don't know what to do there.....maybe just try to do what I want to do with
a still.

Part of the difficulty is having to go thru the entire CD to get to the bad
slides...like I haven't been though this presentation 200 times already. I
have love-hate relationship with PP. Is it just me, or by the time you get
done with something......you never want to see it again?



"Austin Myers" <austinm@grm.net> wrote in message
news:ubNHTKN7IHA.1592@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Can you be specific as to what is missing?
>
>
>
> Austin Myers
> AT&W Technologies
>
> Creators of PFCPro, PFCMedia, and PFCExpress
> www.playsforcertain.com
>
> "Jim Varner" <pinger@ec.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:eZ8JlrM7IHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Hey-
>> I've been updating a presentation in PP2007 that was created in PP2002.
>> After (exhaustive) tweaking and checking for accuracy, I found that when
>> I created the new CD, then ran it from CD, that it was not WYSIWYG....and
>> I'm confused. When I run the show on the system it runs perfectly. When
>> I run it from CD some things have changed. What is confusing, when I go
>> back to check the issues in the (now original) 2007 file, I can't see see
>> the problems.....so it's all but impossible to know what to correct.
>> In addition, I have a small .avi that runs (or is supposed to run) during
>> the show and the same situation exists....runs on the computer....stalls
>> and never runs on the CD. Can anyone tell me what I'm experiencing here
>> (other than frustration and hate) and offer a solution? Thanks.
>>
>>
>
>

Jim
Wed Jul 23 14:52:07 CDT 2008

OK, heres a few examples: (there were several)



1-there was (is) at least on situation where a text box with, say, six
lines of text with normal spacing shows on the new CD that on the new CD
shows with maybe 8-10 spaces between two words where there is the nomal ONE
space when I look at it on the system.



2-there were two instances where successive lines of scipt with a time
entrance set at RISE UP. I think there's ten line...each one stopping below
the preceeding...so where all have come up you can read them all at the same
time. The first few, it looks like every letter is coming up on top of one
another and is compressed into the area the size of a dime, then all of a
sudden, one comes up perfectly, then the new few come up mess up, like the
first one.



3-there was one heading text box where everything is centered in the old
version, and on the new CD, the text is way up on top, and only the top or
the bottom of it is actually visible...I don't recall which..



4-there is the instance I mentioned in the post where a 10 second .avi
(supposed to run concurrently with audio) does not run...stays
black....while the audio runs. All set at auto and across sides, and with
previous ( like I said , this looks all great when run on the machne)



5-there is an instance where there is a photo of someone with a text boxt to
the left with three words on three successive line. The last letter on the
word on the first line wrap down and puts itself on the second line.



Those are the ones I can decipher on the notes that I was scribbling as I
tried to watch the new CD.



Call me naive, but I was hoping against hope that PP2007 would be smart
enough to be able to convert 2002 in an intellible way, but......



Now this wouldn't be so bad if I could see all this stuff and just fix
it....but I can "see" any problems in the original .ppt.



I'm thinking the best fix may be to go in and totally re-create the problems
slides, re-pulling from the outside anything I need, re-formatting,
re-timing, and deleting the old slide. The avi. was created in 2007, so I
don't know what to do there.....maybe just try to do what I want to do with
a still.



Part of the difficulty is having to go thru the entire CD to get to the bad
slides...like I haven't been though this presentation 200 times already. I
have love-hate relationship with PP. Is it just me, or by the time you get
done with something......you never want to see it again?



"Echo S" <msnewsgroups@echosvoiceUGHSPAM.com> wrote in message
news:uZe3RsN7IHA.5440@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> Well, when you package for CD in 2007, PPT converts the file to a
> 97-2003-format file so it can run from the CD. This is because the
> compatibility pack won't run from the CD. And since the compat pack is
> necessary for the Viewer to open 2007-format files, the PPT Viewer on the
> CD needs that older-format file.
>
> I know, I know. Don't shoot the messenger.
>
> So I'm guessing the problematic stuff is related to the conversion. For
> example, SmartArt is converted to an image in the 97-2003 format, so it
> won't animate in the Viewer.
>
> Can you give us some specifics as to what has changed? We may be able to
> offer you some "best practices" or workarounds when designing specifically
> for a CD.
>
> Or it could be just some old bugs that are coming to light now. I know
> there were a couple that tend to show up when the 2007 package for CD is
> used, but I couldn't tell you what they are specifically, sorry.
> Round-tripping through HTML in an older version before opening in 2007
> often clears them out. (Again, don't shoot the messenger. I think it's a
> stupid excuse, too.)
>
> --
> Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
> What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
> Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
> PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx
>
>
> "Jim Varner" <pinger@ec.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:eZ8JlrM7IHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Hey-
>> I've been updating a presentation in PP2007 that was created in PP2002.
>> After (exhaustive) tweaking and checking for accuracy, I found that when
>> I created the new CD, then ran it from CD, that it was not WYSIWYG....and
>> I'm confused. When I run the show on the system it runs perfectly. When
>> I run it from CD some things have changed. What is confusing, when I go
>> back to check the issues in the (now original) 2007 file, I can't see see
>> the problems.....so it's all but impossible to know what to correct.
>> In addition, I have a small .avi that runs (or is supposed to run) during
>> the show and the same situation exists....runs on the computer....stalls
>> and never runs on the CD. Can anyone tell me what I'm experiencing here
>> (other than frustration and hate) and offer a solution? Thanks.
>>
>>
>

Echo
Wed Jul 23 15:56:24 CDT 2008

Don't have time for a longer response, but this one

> 5-there is an instance where there is a photo of someone with a text boxt
> to the left with three words on three successive line. The last letter on
> the word on the first line wrap down and puts itself on the second line.

...makes it seem like a missing font issue. That could also be causing some
of the bizarre spacing issues you're seeing with the other stuff.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx


"Jim Varner" <pinger@ec.rr.com> wrote in message
news:O3fiA2P7IHA.6124@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> OK, heres a few examples: (there were several)
>
> 1-there was (is) at least on situation where a text box with, say, six
> lines of text with normal spacing shows on the new CD that on the new CD
> shows with maybe 8-10 spaces between two words where there is the nomal
> ONE space when I look at it on the system.
>
> 2-there were two instances where successive lines of scipt with a time
> entrance set at RISE UP. I think there's ten line...each one stopping
> below the preceeding...so where all have come up you can read them all at
> the same time. The first few, it looks like every letter is coming up on
> top of one another and is compressed into the area the size of a dime,
> then all of a sudden, one comes up perfectly, then the new few come up
> mess up, like the first one.
>
> 3-there was one heading text box where everything is centered in the old
> version, and on the new CD, the text is way up on top, and only the top or
> the bottom of it is actually visible...I don't recall which..
>
> 4-there is the instance I mentioned in the post where a 10 second .avi
> (supposed to run concurrently with audio) does not run...stays
> black....while the audio runs. All set at auto and across sides, and with
> previous ( like I said , this looks all great when run on the machne)
>
> 5-there is an instance where there is a photo of someone with a text boxt
> to the left with three words on three successive line. The last letter on
> the word on the first line wrap down and puts itself on the second line.
>
> Those are the ones I can decipher on the notes that I was scribbling as I
> tried to watch the new CD.
>
> Call me naive, but I was hoping against hope that PP2007 would be smart
> enough to be able to convert 2002 in an intellible way, but......
>
> Now this wouldn't be so bad if I could see all this stuff and just fix
> it....but I can "see" any problems in the original .ppt.
>
> I'm thinking the best fix may be to go in and totally re-create the
> problems slides, re-pulling from the outside anything I need,
> re-formatting, re-timing, and deleting the old slide. The avi. was
> created in 2007, so I don't know what to do there.....maybe just try to do
> what I want to do with a still.
>
> Part of the difficulty is having to go thru the entire CD to get to the
> bad slides...like I haven't been though this presentation 200 times
> already. I have love-hate relationship with PP. Is it just me, or by the
> time you get done with something......you never want to see it again?
>
>
>
> "Austin Myers" <austinm@grm.net> wrote in message
> news:ubNHTKN7IHA.1592@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Can you be specific as to what is missing?
>>
>>
>>
>> Austin Myers
>> AT&W Technologies
>>
>> Creators of PFCPro, PFCMedia, and PFCExpress
>> www.playsforcertain.com
>>
>> "Jim Varner" <pinger@ec.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:eZ8JlrM7IHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> Hey-
>>> I've been updating a presentation in PP2007 that was created in PP2002.
>>> After (exhaustive) tweaking and checking for accuracy, I found that when
>>> I created the new CD, then ran it from CD, that it was not
>>> WYSIWYG....and I'm confused. When I run the show on the system it runs
>>> perfectly. When I run it from CD some things have changed. What is
>>> confusing, when I go back to check the issues in the (now original) 2007
>>> file, I can't see see the problems.....so it's all but impossible to
>>> know what to correct. In addition, I have a small .avi that runs (or is
>>> supposed to run) during the show and the same situation exists....runs
>>> on the computer....stalls and never runs on the CD. Can anyone tell me
>>> what I'm experiencing here (other than frustration and hate) and offer a
>>> solution? Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

loong
Wed Jul 23 23:55:03 CDT 2008

Burning the presentation to video or DVD may works. Office PowerPoint 2007
does not support the direct burning of content to any DVD formats. As an
alternative, copy your presentation to a folder, and then use DVD-burning
software to import the content and create a DVD. DVD-burning software, such
as PPT to DVD Burner(http://www.dvd-ppt-slideshow.com/ppt_to_dvd/),it will
retain the original music, animation, movie clips, and slide transitions in
PowerPoint presentations,and may addresses your issue.

"Jim Varner" wrote:

> Hey-
> I've been updating a presentation in PP2007 that was created in PP2002.
> After (exhaustive) tweaking and checking for accuracy, I found that when I
> created the new CD, then ran it from CD, that it was not WYSIWYG....and I'm
> confused. When I run the show on the system it runs perfectly. When I run
> it from CD some things have changed. What is confusing, when I go back to
> check the issues in the (now original) 2007 file, I can't see see the
> problems.....so it's all but impossible to know what to correct. In
> addition, I have a small .avi that runs (or is supposed to run) during the
> show and the same situation exists....runs on the computer....stalls and
> never runs on the CD. Can anyone tell me what I'm experiencing here (other
> than frustration and hate) and offer a solution? Thanks.
>
>
>

Echo
Thu Jul 24 08:44:26 CDT 2008

Okay, I have a little more time now.

1, 2, 3 and 5 seem like either a missing font or an "old bug coming to
light."

I'd first check the font and embeddability and all that. I think the 2007
Viewer has trouble with some fonts, embedded or not. I don't have any solid
evidence -- it's just a gut feeling.

Second, I know I have seen this type of thing in the past -- if I recall
correctly, at my request, a user here emailed me a file exhibiting similar
behavior. I was able to round-trip the file through HTML in PPT 2003, and
that resolved the issues. I don't like that process being the workaround
because it requires that you have a previous version of PPT available -- but
it's the best I've got. Do you have a previous version around so you could
try that? Round-tripping often weeds out the woollies, so it's definitely a
good thing to try. http://www.pptworkbench.com/html/round_trip.htm for
instrux.

Oh yeah, also make sure you have the latest PPT 2007 Viewer. Download it
here:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=048DC840-14E1-467D-8DCA-19D2A8FD7485&displaylang=en
(It's not the same one that shipped with PPT 2007.)

When you are testing the CD, are you testing on the same computer you
created the CD on, or are you testing on a different computer?

For #4, the .avi, I don't know why this would happen, especially since the
.avi runs in PPT 2007 itself. I would convert the AVI to WMV and see if that
helps. PFCPro and PFCMedia each have a fully functional trial version
available; you could use either to do this conversion.
http://www.playsforcertain.com/index.html

I totally agree that this type of thing is frustrating, and I wish it
weren't so. I guess our challenge is to figure out what's going on in your
presentations and try to fix them the least painful way.


--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx


"Echo S" <msnewsgroups@echosvoiceUGHSPAM.com> wrote in message
news:%23%23ulXaQ7IHA.2072@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Don't have time for a longer response, but this one
>
>> 5-there is an instance where there is a photo of someone with a text boxt
>> to the left with three words on three successive line. The last letter
>> on the word on the first line wrap down and puts itself on the second
>> line.
>
> ...makes it seem like a missing font issue. That could also be causing
> some of the bizarre spacing issues you're seeing with the other stuff.
>
> --
> Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
> What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
> Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
> PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx
>
>
> "Jim Varner" <pinger@ec.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:O3fiA2P7IHA.6124@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> OK, heres a few examples: (there were several)
>>
>> 1-there was (is) at least on situation where a text box with, say, six
>> lines of text with normal spacing shows on the new CD that on the new
>> CD shows with maybe 8-10 spaces between two words where there is the
>> nomal ONE space when I look at it on the system.
>>
>> 2-there were two instances where successive lines of scipt with a time
>> entrance set at RISE UP. I think there's ten line...each one stopping
>> below the preceeding...so where all have come up you can read them all at
>> the same time. The first few, it looks like every letter is coming up on
>> top of one another and is compressed into the area the size of a dime,
>> then all of a sudden, one comes up perfectly, then the new few come up
>> mess up, like the first one.
>>
>> 3-there was one heading text box where everything is centered in the old
>> version, and on the new CD, the text is way up on top, and only the top
>> or the bottom of it is actually visible...I don't recall which..
>>
>> 4-there is the instance I mentioned in the post where a 10 second .avi
>> (supposed to run concurrently with audio) does not run...stays
>> black....while the audio runs. All set at auto and across sides, and
>> with previous ( like I said , this looks all great when run on the
>> machne)
>>
>> 5-there is an instance where there is a photo of someone with a text boxt
>> to the left with three words on three successive line. The last letter
>> on the word on the first line wrap down and puts itself on the second
>> line.
>>
>> Those are the ones I can decipher on the notes that I was scribbling as I
>> tried to watch the new CD.
>>
>> Call me naive, but I was hoping against hope that PP2007 would be smart
>> enough to be able to convert 2002 in an intellible way, but......
>>
>> Now this wouldn't be so bad if I could see all this stuff and just fix
>> it....but I can "see" any problems in the original .ppt.
>>
>> I'm thinking the best fix may be to go in and totally re-create the
>> problems slides, re-pulling from the outside anything I need,
>> re-formatting, re-timing, and deleting the old slide. The avi. was
>> created in 2007, so I don't know what to do there.....maybe just try to
>> do what I want to do with a still.
>>
>> Part of the difficulty is having to go thru the entire CD to get to the
>> bad slides...like I haven't been though this presentation 200 times
>> already. I have love-hate relationship with PP. Is it just me, or by
>> the time you get done with something......you never want to see it again?
>>
>>
>>
>> "Austin Myers" <austinm@grm.net> wrote in message
>> news:ubNHTKN7IHA.1592@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> Can you be specific as to what is missing?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Austin Myers
>>> AT&W Technologies
>>>
>>> Creators of PFCPro, PFCMedia, and PFCExpress
>>> www.playsforcertain.com
>>>
>>> "Jim Varner" <pinger@ec.rr.com> wrote in message
>>> news:eZ8JlrM7IHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> Hey-
>>>> I've been updating a presentation in PP2007 that was created in PP2002.
>>>> After (exhaustive) tweaking and checking for accuracy, I found that
>>>> when I created the new CD, then ran it from CD, that it was not
>>>> WYSIWYG....and I'm confused. When I run the show on the system it runs
>>>> perfectly. When I run it from CD some things have changed. What is
>>>> confusing, when I go back to check the issues in the (now original)
>>>> 2007 file, I can't see see the problems.....so it's all but impossible
>>>> to know what to correct. In addition, I have a small .avi that runs (or
>>>> is supposed to run) during the show and the same situation
>>>> exists....runs on the computer....stalls and never runs on the CD. Can
>>>> anyone tell me what I'm experiencing here (other than frustration and
>>>> hate) and offer a solution? Thanks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>