newbie: miserable experience so far

I recently had a very pleasant experience with Dot Net Nuke and decided to
look into SPS. I don't even know if they are the same thing, but I have been
told they were. Note to marketting: after reading everything I could find on
the Microsoft web site about SPS the only thing I know about it is that it
is the greatest product ever concieved - no idea what business problem it
solves or how it does it.

So I decided to install my MSDN copy and see if it was like duke.

I am installing on an up to date (windows update wise) Windows 2003 server
domain controler, with SQL server 2000 running on it. I looked at the readme
and made sure front page extensions was not installed. I then proceeded to
install.

CLR error during the install, but instalation continued. After instalation
completed I was redirected to a web page that was not found. On
investigation I discovered the portal web site was not started. It turned to
be because an invalid application pool was specified. Changed to 'default'
and started the web site, but all I get is 'access denied' errors on any
pages and I am using the domain admin account.

Now the fun begins, I've tried uninstalling it - error can't uninstall.
Repair - error can't repair (same CLR error as during instalation) and so I
have a hosed up production domain controler server. Is my only choice now
to reformat my production server to get it back to normal? Is there
something in a readme that I missed that would cause the instlation of SPS
to put my server in this condition?

Now I know why others pay for SPS hosting rather than deal with it
themselves. The fact that the product itself is buggy is understandable,
the fact that it leaves iteself in an unrepairable state is unacceptable.

Shane
Thu Dec 01 11:25:53 CST 2005

Since you have given up on SharePoint I will ignore you other problems and
just help you get it off your server.

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;827755

and

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;830326

Should take care of you.


--
Shane Young - SPS MVP
SharePoint911 - http://www.SharePoint911.com
Blog - http://msmvps.com/shane/



"Joe Mamma" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:OFSINKo9FHA.636@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>I recently had a very pleasant experience with Dot Net Nuke and decided to
>look into SPS. I don't even know if they are the same thing, but I have
>been told they were. Note to marketting: after reading everything I could
>find on the Microsoft web site about SPS the only thing I know about it is
>that it is the greatest product ever concieved - no idea what business
>problem it solves or how it does it.
>
> So I decided to install my MSDN copy and see if it was like duke.
>
> I am installing on an up to date (windows update wise) Windows 2003 server
> domain controler, with SQL server 2000 running on it. I looked at the
> readme and made sure front page extensions was not installed. I then
> proceeded to install.
>
> CLR error during the install, but instalation continued. After
> instalation completed I was redirected to a web page that was not found.
> On investigation I discovered the portal web site was not started. It
> turned to be because an invalid application pool was specified. Changed
> to 'default' and started the web site, but all I get is 'access denied'
> errors on any pages and I am using the domain admin account.
>
> Now the fun begins, I've tried uninstalling it - error can't uninstall.
> Repair - error can't repair (same CLR error as during instalation) and so
> I have a hosed up production domain controler server. Is my only choice
> now to reformat my production server to get it back to normal? Is there
> something in a readme that I missed that would cause the instlation of SPS
> to put my server in this condition?
>
> Now I know why others pay for SPS hosting rather than deal with it
> themselves. The fact that the product itself is buggy is understandable,
> the fact that it leaves iteself in an unrepairable state is unacceptable.
>

Joe
Thu Dec 01 15:56:02 CST 2005

Because your post was amusing, I'll take a stab at your second question, the
one Shane skipped.

>>Is there something in a readme that I missed that would cause the instlation of SPS to put my server in this condition?

Yes.

-- Joe


"Joe Mamma" wrote:

> I recently had a very pleasant experience with Dot Net Nuke and decided to
> look into SPS. I don't even know if they are the same thing, but I have been
> told they were. Note to marketting: after reading everything I could find on
> the Microsoft web site about SPS the only thing I know about it is that it
> is the greatest product ever concieved - no idea what business problem it
> solves or how it does it.
>
> So I decided to install my MSDN copy and see if it was like duke.
>
> I am installing on an up to date (windows update wise) Windows 2003 server
> domain controler, with SQL server 2000 running on it. I looked at the readme
> and made sure front page extensions was not installed. I then proceeded to
> install.
>
> CLR error during the install, but instalation continued. After instalation
> completed I was redirected to a web page that was not found. On
> investigation I discovered the portal web site was not started. It turned to
> be because an invalid application pool was specified. Changed to 'default'
> and started the web site, but all I get is 'access denied' errors on any
> pages and I am using the domain admin account.
>
> Now the fun begins, I've tried uninstalling it - error can't uninstall.
> Repair - error can't repair (same CLR error as during instalation) and so I
> have a hosed up production domain controler server. Is my only choice now
> to reformat my production server to get it back to normal? Is there
> something in a readme that I missed that would cause the instlation of SPS
> to put my server in this condition?
>
> Now I know why others pay for SPS hosting rather than deal with it
> themselves. The fact that the product itself is buggy is understandable,
> the fact that it leaves iteself in an unrepairable state is unacceptable.
>
>
>

Joe
Thu Dec 01 16:19:33 CST 2005

Thanks, perfect.

It's good to know enough customers had the same problem that MS wrote such
comprehensive KB articles.



"Shane Young [SPS MVP]" <Shane @ SharePoint911 dot com> wrote in message
news:OZmTvxp9FHA.808@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Since you have given up on SharePoint I will ignore you other problems and
> just help you get it off your server.
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;827755
>
> and
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;830326
>
> Should take care of you.
>
>
> --
> Shane Young - SPS MVP
> SharePoint911 - http://www.SharePoint911.com
> Blog - http://msmvps.com/shane/
>
>
>
> "Joe Mamma" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:OFSINKo9FHA.636@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>I recently had a very pleasant experience with Dot Net Nuke and decided to
>>look into SPS. I don't even know if they are the same thing, but I have
>>been told they were. Note to marketting: after reading everything I could
>>find on the Microsoft web site about SPS the only thing I know about it is
>>that it is the greatest product ever concieved - no idea what business
>>problem it solves or how it does it.
>>
>> So I decided to install my MSDN copy and see if it was like duke.
>>
>> I am installing on an up to date (windows update wise) Windows 2003
>> server domain controler, with SQL server 2000 running on it. I looked at
>> the readme and made sure front page extensions was not installed. I then
>> proceeded to install.
>>
>> CLR error during the install, but instalation continued. After
>> instalation completed I was redirected to a web page that was not found.
>> On investigation I discovered the portal web site was not started. It
>> turned to be because an invalid application pool was specified. Changed
>> to 'default' and started the web site, but all I get is 'access denied'
>> errors on any pages and I am using the domain admin account.
>>
>> Now the fun begins, I've tried uninstalling it - error can't uninstall.
>> Repair - error can't repair (same CLR error as during instalation) and so
>> I have a hosed up production domain controler server. Is my only choice
>> now to reformat my production server to get it back to normal? Is there
>> something in a readme that I missed that would cause the instlation of
>> SPS to put my server in this condition?
>>
>> Now I know why others pay for SPS hosting rather than deal with it
>> themselves. The fact that the product itself is buggy is understandable,
>> the fact that it leaves iteself in an unrepairable state is unacceptable.
>>
>
>

Hollis
Thu Dec 01 17:04:20 CST 2005

In article <665B7A13-8890-407C-B5F8-3CC06A8E51C6@microsoft.com>, =?Utf-8?B?Sm9l?= wrote:
> Because your post was amusing, I'll take a stab at your second question, the
> one Shane skipped.
>
> >>Is there something in a readme that I missed that would cause the instlation of SPS to put my server in this condition?
>
> Yes.
>
> -- Joe
>
You are a wickedly funny man, Joe. Alas, the humor is probably lost on the someone who
has lost so many battles with his computer.

Hollis D. Paul [MVP - Outlook]
Hollis@outhousebythesound.com
Mukilteo, WA USA

Joe
Thu Dec 01 17:17:57 CST 2005

doesnt take much to amuse you does it? But since I said I had a great
experience with dot net nuke I am wondering how you reached your conclusion
on my sucess rate? I bet your thought process is even funnier!! Do tell.....

"Hollis D. Paul" <Hollis@outhousebythesound.com> wrote in message
news:VA.0000254c.01955ddd@obts-outlookdev.outlookbythesound.mukwoods...
> In article <665B7A13-8890-407C-B5F8-3CC06A8E51C6@microsoft.com>,
> =?Utf-8?B?Sm9l?= wrote:
>> Because your post was amusing, I'll take a stab at your second question,
>> the
>> one Shane skipped.
>>
>> >>Is there something in a readme that I missed that would cause the
>> >>instlation of SPS to put my server in this condition?
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>> -- Joe
>>
> You are a wickedly funny man, Joe. Alas, the humor is probably lost on
> the someone who
> has lost so many battles with his computer.
>
> Hollis D. Paul [MVP - Outlook]
> Hollis@outhousebythesound.com
> Mukilteo, WA USA
>
>

Hollis
Fri Dec 02 12:24:39 CST 2005

In article <uBqi$1s9FHA.1140@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl>, Joe Mamma wrote:
> I bet your thought process is even funnier!! Do tell.....
>
Actually, I didn't realize that you were talking to yourself. But the
funny part, to me, is that the second problem is presented in the form
of a yes-no question, but the real question is Why does ...? I prefer
to make the linguistically correct answer of yes or no, but it always
leaves the questioner feeling cheated, but with no reasonable grounds
to complain.

Hollis D. Paul [MVP - Outlook]
Hollis@outhousebythesound.com
Mukilteo, WA USA

Joe
Fri Dec 02 22:37:53 CST 2005

"the funny part, to me, is that the second problem is presented in the form
of a yes-no question"

Yes, you already told us how you find it funny that a yes/no question can be
answered with a yes. I was looking for something new. And perhaps, something
actually funny. Well, don't hurt yourself trying to think of an answer, I'm
sure you have other people who enounter problems to prey on. What did you
get an MVP for anyhow? Tell Rizzo I said hello.

Spiked

"Hollis D. Paul" <Hollis@outhousebythesound.com> wrote in message
news:VA.0000254f.0092ca2f@obts-outlookdev.outlookbythesound.mukwoods...
> In article <uBqi$1s9FHA.1140@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl>, Joe Mamma wrote:
>> I bet your thought process is even funnier!! Do tell.....
>>
> Actually, I didn't realize that you were talking to yourself. But the
> funny part, to me, is that the second problem is presented in the form
> of a yes-no question, but the real question is Why does ...? I prefer
> to make the linguistically correct answer of yes or no, but it always
> leaves the questioner feeling cheated, but with no reasonable grounds
> to complain.
>
> Hollis D. Paul [MVP - Outlook]
> Hollis@outhousebythesound.com
> Mukilteo, WA USA
>
>

Hollis
Sat Dec 03 12:33:57 CST 2005

In article <e3ZwXN89FHA.2616@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl>, Joe Mamma wrote:
> What did you
> get an MVP for anyhow? Tell Rizzo I said hello.
>
It was Outlook, back in the days when there were gaping holes in its
functionality. Now, Microsoft has included so many of those functions
in the delivered product that customization is sort of like painting
your fingers--you can agonize over the selection of the perfect color
but it doesn't add any real functionality.

Tom Rizzo flies in a more rarefied atmosphere than I do. I
characterize myself as a grunt programmer, jack of all trades, and
master of none. Haven't decided if I will try to follow .net or just
give it all up. Besides, another new Microsoft big thing is due in a
year or two--might as well wait for that and skip dotnet. Maybe it is
just the dreary snow and cold that has enveloped the Northwest, but I
seem loath to jump into all the system stuff I have to do to get
started in the O12 beta1; not to mention upgrading my domain
controller, SBS2003 to SP1, and my SPS box to SP2 and SQL2005. Somehow
I am more interested in keeping warm nectar out for the two Anna's
Hummingbirds that are attempting to winter over in my little lot, than
all the bugs of SP1. It might be because they are living, breathing
creatures and, though small, are bigger than any bug and more
interesting.

Hollis D. Paul [MVP - Outlook]
Hollis@outhousebythesound.com
Mukilteo, WA USA

Joe
Mon Dec 05 11:13:02 CST 2005


> Yes, you already told us how you find it funny that a yes/no question can be
> answered with a yes. I was looking for something new.

Not to beat a dead horse, but no, you weren't. You were just flaming
Microsoft and Sharepoint, after regaling us with the story of your
disastrously ill-advised install, which was somehow not your fault.

And if you ask a yes/no question, especially under those circumstances, it's
fair to expect a yes/no answer.

-- Joe
(not Joe Mamma)


"Joe Mamma" wrote:

> "the funny part, to me, is that the second problem is presented in the form
> of a yes-no question"
>
> Yes, you already told us how you find it funny that a yes/no question can be
> answered with a yes. I was looking for something new. And perhaps, something
> actually funny. Well, don't hurt yourself trying to think of an answer, I'm
> sure you have other people who enounter problems to prey on. What did you
> get an MVP for anyhow? Tell Rizzo I said hello.
>
> Spiked
>
> "Hollis D. Paul" <Hollis@outhousebythesound.com> wrote in message
> news:VA.0000254f.0092ca2f@obts-outlookdev.outlookbythesound.mukwoods...
> > In article <uBqi$1s9FHA.1140@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl>, Joe Mamma wrote:
> >> I bet your thought process is even funnier!! Do tell.....
> >>
> > Actually, I didn't realize that you were talking to yourself. But the
> > funny part, to me, is that the second problem is presented in the form
> > of a yes-no question, but the real question is Why does ...? I prefer
> > to make the linguistically correct answer of yes or no, but it always
> > leaves the questioner feeling cheated, but with no reasonable grounds
> > to complain.
> >
> > Hollis D. Paul [MVP - Outlook]
> > Hollis@outhousebythesound.com
> > Mukilteo, WA USA
> >
> >
>
>
>

Joe
Wed Dec 14 11:26:22 CST 2005

Thanks for the helpful insight.

I have no complaints about the yes answer to the yes/no question. It was
well deserved. I only replied to someone who thought it was really funny and
jumped to conclusions about my experience with computers,
much like yourself who classify it as a "disastrously ill-advised install" -
basically fuck off asshole. Me and a lot of other people have popped in the
cd and had the same experience. In general in the past it was a safe
assumption that software from Microsoft could be intalled that way. But, as
I have found, this is seldom the case with web apps.

In response to the 'yes' answer, I uninstalled in the order someone
helpfully suggested, did what I thought was the exact same install again,
and the second time it ran. Was this my fault? Damned if I know since the
'yes' answer wasn't expanded on, but don't go making assumtions about my
skill level. Perhaps I was hurried and missed something yes, perhaps i was
pissed about the state of my server - PERHAPS MS COULD DO A BETTER JOB IN
THEIR README wich I did read.

Perhaps some of you holier than though thow access dbas who became important
in the IT world for some unknown reason with things like SPS (no offense to
those who actually have skills intended) could shut the fuck up and go back
to doing access apps.


"Joe" <Joe@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:C450A76C-32C8-4134-AFE0-A4E96DA575F2@microsoft.com...
>
>> Yes, you already told us how you find it funny that a yes/no question can
>> be
>> answered with a yes. I was looking for something new.
>
> Not to beat a dead horse, but no, you weren't. You were just flaming
> Microsoft and Sharepoint, after regaling us with the story of your
> disastrously ill-advised install, which was somehow not your fault.
>
> And if you ask a yes/no question, especially under those circumstances,
> it's
> fair to expect a yes/no answer.
>
> -- Joe
> (not Joe Mamma)
>
>
> "Joe Mamma" wrote:
>
>> "the funny part, to me, is that the second problem is presented in the
>> form
>> of a yes-no question"
>>
>> Yes, you already told us how you find it funny that a yes/no question can
>> be
>> answered with a yes. I was looking for something new. And perhaps,
>> something
>> actually funny. Well, don't hurt yourself trying to think of an answer,
>> I'm
>> sure you have other people who enounter problems to prey on. What did you
>> get an MVP for anyhow? Tell Rizzo I said hello.
>>
>> Spiked
>>
>> "Hollis D. Paul" <Hollis@outhousebythesound.com> wrote in message
>> news:VA.0000254f.0092ca2f@obts-outlookdev.outlookbythesound.mukwoods...
>> > In article <uBqi$1s9FHA.1140@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl>, Joe Mamma wrote:
>> >> I bet your thought process is even funnier!! Do tell.....
>> >>
>> > Actually, I didn't realize that you were talking to yourself. But the
>> > funny part, to me, is that the second problem is presented in the form
>> > of a yes-no question, but the real question is Why does ...? I prefer
>> > to make the linguistically correct answer of yes or no, but it always
>> > leaves the questioner feeling cheated, but with no reasonable grounds
>> > to complain.
>> >
>> > Hollis D. Paul [MVP - Outlook]
>> > Hollis@outhousebythesound.com
>> > Mukilteo, WA USA
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>

Joe
Wed Dec 14 11:40:56 CST 2005

Rizzo and I worked together when he was a grunt SE like me in Washington on
the Federal Team. He went to the west coast and I left MS about the same
time. Lori Moore, who hired me, also left about the same time for the west
coast (now VP of support including MVPs).

I did some Outlook/Exchange extention stuff too, some real unique crypto
code. Ah, the good old days.

You have 2 choices now, .Net or Java - not counting the crutches/wanne be
apps like SPS. I'm not sure whats after .Net, although it seems like 3.0
will barely be out in 2 years, so ill be suprised if there is something else
by then. But at least the database will finally be gone for .Net anyhow. I'm
confident Rizzo can make it happen by then.

Joe

"Hollis D. Paul" <Hollis@outhousebythesound.com> wrote in message
news:VA.00002553.0065c642@obts-outlookdev.outlookbythesound.mukwoods...
> In article <e3ZwXN89FHA.2616@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl>, Joe Mamma wrote:
>> What did you
>> get an MVP for anyhow? Tell Rizzo I said hello.
>>
> It was Outlook, back in the days when there were gaping holes in its
> functionality. Now, Microsoft has included so many of those functions
> in the delivered product that customization is sort of like painting
> your fingers--you can agonize over the selection of the perfect color
> but it doesn't add any real functionality.
>
> Tom Rizzo flies in a more rarefied atmosphere than I do. I
> characterize myself as a grunt programmer, jack of all trades, and
> master of none. Haven't decided if I will try to follow .net or just
> give it all up. Besides, another new Microsoft big thing is due in a
> year or two--might as well wait for that and skip dotnet. Maybe it is
> just the dreary snow and cold that has enveloped the Northwest, but I
> seem loath to jump into all the system stuff I have to do to get
> started in the O12 beta1; not to mention upgrading my domain
> controller, SBS2003 to SP1, and my SPS box to SP2 and SQL2005. Somehow
> I am more interested in keeping warm nectar out for the two Anna's
> Hummingbirds that are attempting to winter over in my little lot, than
> all the bugs of SP1. It might be because they are living, breathing
> creatures and, though small, are bigger than any bug and more
> interesting.
>
> Hollis D. Paul [MVP - Outlook]
> Hollis@outhousebythesound.com
> Mukilteo, WA USA
>
>

Hollis
Wed Dec 14 12:38:27 CST 2005

In article <eIssMWNAGHA.3496@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl>, Joe Mamma wrote:
> Rizzo and I worked together when he was a grunt SE like me in Washington on
> the Federal Team.
>
It's a small world, isn't it?

Hollis D. Paul [MVP - Outlook]
Hollis@outhousebythesound.com
Mukilteo, WA USA