Steve
Thu Feb 02 08:58:53 CST 2006
Yes totally agree about the UI , we installed it for a client last month and
was not overlly impressed with the new interface , especially considering
their massive price hike for the new version.
Interesting clarification on the web part backup though. Thanks for sharing
your information.
Steve Smith
"RHankin" <RHankin@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:80587BAF-CE01-4629-8B7A-E057EE6632FE@microsoft.com...
> Quote from an AvePoint contact:
> "I have attached pricing sheet in PDF for you to look over. Just to
> clarify
> 1 more thing for you, if you buy DocAve 3.1 Item-level back-up, site-level
> backup is given to you for free, you don't have to buy both. And yes
> everything would be backed-up except webparts, those you would need to
> reinstall."
>
> I agree it is misleading. Plus the product is horrible to use. It gets
> the
> job done but the UI needs some serious work
>
> "Steve Smith" wrote:
>
>> That is interesting as their web site in my opinion then is very
>> misleading.
>>
>> Quote - " DocAve 3.1 can now preserve site customizations using webparts
>> and
>> templates, and site security "
>>
>> Steve Smith
>>
>>
>> "RHankin" <RHankin@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:8859026F-E6EB-4647-A710-A246A240928C@microsoft.com...
>> >I have spoke to Avepoint and they told me that by using their products
>> >DocAve
>> > & SPDR it will do complete backup EXCEPT webparts.
>> >
>> > I think I am going to need to maintain a standby server and just deploy
>> > webparts on both live and standby. Unfortunately this would be the
>> > most
>> > expensive solution as it would require a second license for Sharepoint
>> > Portal
>> > Server.
>> >
>> > "Steve Smith" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Avepoint 3.1 can backup customization , webparts and portal areas but
>> >> you
>> >> must buy the portal and wss version not the wss standalone version.
>> >>
>> >> Steve Smith
>> >>
>> >> UK Sharepoint Training
>> >>
http://www.combined-knowledge.com/sharepoint_knowledge_tracks.htm
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "RHankin" <RHankin@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:8F345BBE-676E-4C77-AF58-C242E2DF9096@microsoft.com...
>> >> > As far as I am aware, Avepoint only does sites and document level
>> >> > restores -
>> >> > not portal and webpart/customized pages. I have not heard of NSE.
>> >> > I trialled DocAve 3.1 and found it very slow to use but it restored
>> >> > single
>> >> > files well. All of these systems seem to be aimed at recovering
>> >> > documents
>> >> > and sites should you have a small mishap. Commvault is the only one
>> >> > that
>> >> > does full disaster recovery as it backs up web parts too
>> >> >
>> >> > "Steve Smith" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> You are correct Commvault is able to backup all levels of
>> >> >> Sharepoint
>> >> >> including the customization , there is also Avepoint and NSE . If
>> >> >> it
>> >> >> is a
>> >> >> single box installation of Sharepoint then Avepoints solution is
>> >> >> fairly
>> >> >> reasonably priced.
>> >> >> You are also correct that the only other way to do this is to have
>> >> >> a
>> >> >> seperate box to use for test restores. Then if a web part needs to
>> >> >> be
>> >> >> restored to the live system you can export from one and import into
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> other.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Steve Smith
>> >> >> www.combined-knowledge.com
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "RHankin" <RHankin@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:C76B69BB-7342-4415-A560-E1AA1E25F3D5@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> > As far as I know, the only product on the market which can
>> >> >> > achieve
>> >> >> > this
>> >> >> > is
>> >> >> > Commvault Galaxy backup for Sharepoint.
>> >> >> > Has anyone produced a solution which uses any other software or
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > utilities provided in Sharepoint?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The only solution I can come up with is to have another server
>> >> >> > with
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > same
>> >> >> > setup then down the services and copy all of the files within the
>> >> >> > Sharepoint
>> >> >> > directories over to the standby server. This could be scheduled.
>> >> >> > This could then be complemented by doing a backup and restore of
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > sql
>> >> >> > databases.
>> >> >> > If the servers used within the farm are all aliased then you can
>> >> >> > set
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > local hosts file on the server to point this alias locally. A
>> >> >> > quick
>> >> >> > dns
>> >> >> > change would swap the live server over to the standby server in a
>> >> >> > DR
>> >> >> > situation.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I don't know if this theory stands up because of issues with web
>> >> >> > parts
>> >> >> > needing to be imported into the GAC.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I am desperate to use Sharepoint more within the business but
>> >> >> > can't
>> >> >> > because
>> >> >> > there is no recovery solution. The company will not purchase
>> >> >> > commvault
>> >> >> > as
>> >> >> > it
>> >> >> > is not used enough. you see my issue.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > If anyone has any ideas on this or can think of any other
>> >> >> > possible
>> >> >> > solutions
>> >> >> > or software please let me know.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > If I manage to find anything I will let you all know.
>> >> >>
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