How can I change the default location for 'My Documents' to the My Documents
folder which I've created on the Storage Card?

A while back I moved all of my Notes into this folder and I nver noticed any
problem on the Pocket PC, all of my Notes show up in the Note applet just
fine. However, I just noticed that on my PC, all of my Outlook notes are
gone! Although the Note applet can find them, evidently ActiveSync doesn't
see these as Outlook notes anymore since they're not in the expected
location. Does this diagnoses make sense? Will changing the defined location
of My Documents to the storage card solve the problem?

Thanks for your help!

- Joe Geretz -

Re: How do I change My Documents location? by Rob

Rob
Tue Oct 28 19:36:47 CST 2003

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:49:12 -0500, "Joseph Geretz"
<jgeretz@nospam.com> wrote:

>How can I change the default location for 'My Documents' to the My Documents
>folder which I've created on the Storage Card?
>
>A while back I moved all of my Notes into this folder and I nver noticed any
>problem on the Pocket PC, all of my Notes show up in the Note applet just
>fine. However, I just noticed that on my PC, all of my Outlook notes are
>gone! Although the Note applet can find them, evidently ActiveSync doesn't
>see these as Outlook notes anymore since they're not in the expected
>location. Does this diagnoses make sense? Will changing the defined location
>of My Documents to the storage card solve the problem?

You cannot... I'd advise you to leave all Notes in main memory for
synchronization. You can use MightySync
(http://www.mydocsunlimited.com/html/mightysync.html) for all other
filess on your Storage Card.

ActiveSync will only synchronize with main memory - not any storage
cards.

--
Rob Borek
Want *ONE ON ONE* support? http://www.pocketpcone2one.com

Re: How do I change My Documents location? by Joseph

Joseph
Tue Oct 28 23:03:18 CST 2003

Hi Rob,

Thanks for your reply.

This thing is so lame. All I've got is 32 MB of main memory. I've augmented
this with a 256 meg storage card. Despite this, many software vendors don't
offer support for this.

AvantGo won't install or sync to the storage card
IE doesn't cache to the storage card

(Although I've gotten ahold of a hack to address these two issues, why does
it take a hack? I'm a software developer. I think my customers would think
my software pretty lame if I configured it so you have to install it to the
C:\ drive.)

According to what you say, ActiveSync won't sync files on the storage card.
Why is the file storage location critical to this operation? Isn't the
Notepad applet designed as a 'conduit' to its files on the device? If not,
why not? Isn't that the way it works on the PC? Wouldn't it be pretty #^%$@
unacceptable to engineer things so that ActiveSync will only sync if my
Outlook repository is installed to the C:\ drive? It's ridiculous!

Many screen driver / utility programs won't install to the storage card
since the drivers for the storage card aren't loaded in time. I feel like
I'm in a time warp working with my first CD-ROM drive, trying to get MSCDEX
to load. (If there's anyone out there old enough to remember what I'm
talking about.) You'd think that device manafacturers would have learned by
now. Media drivers load FIRST! Better yet, embed storage card support into
the ROM / BIOS! You'd think these guys never heard of a bootable CD Drive.

Based on the scarcity of main memory you'd think that there's be a higher
level of support for the storage card.

- Joe Geretz -

"Rob Borek" <rborek@spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:8a6upv4s33gbn6651lq11usv2ba7eiit4g@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:49:12 -0500, "Joseph Geretz"
> <jgeretz@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> >How can I change the default location for 'My Documents' to the My
Documents
> >folder which I've created on the Storage Card?
> >
> >A while back I moved all of my Notes into this folder and I nver noticed
any
> >problem on the Pocket PC, all of my Notes show up in the Note applet just
> >fine. However, I just noticed that on my PC, all of my Outlook notes are
> >gone! Although the Note applet can find them, evidently ActiveSync
doesn't
> >see these as Outlook notes anymore since they're not in the expected
> >location. Does this diagnoses make sense? Will changing the defined
location
> >of My Documents to the storage card solve the problem?
>
> You cannot... I'd advise you to leave all Notes in main memory for
> synchronization. You can use MightySync
> (http://www.mydocsunlimited.com/html/mightysync.html) for all other
> filess on your Storage Card.
>
> ActiveSync will only synchronize with main memory - not any storage
> cards.
>
> --
> Rob Borek
> Want *ONE ON ONE* support? http://www.pocketpcone2one.com



Re: How do I change My Documents location? by Mojo

Mojo
Wed Oct 29 01:12:14 CST 2003

John Larrison has a tip that may solve your AvantGo storage problem on this
page of his website:
http://www.larrison.us/pocketpc


"Joseph Geretz" <jgeretz@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:%23h3u7ndnDHA.3504@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> Hi Rob,
>
> Thanks for your reply.
>
> This thing is so lame. All I've got is 32 MB of main memory. I've
augmented
> this with a 256 meg storage card. Despite this, many software vendors
don't
> offer support for this.
>
> AvantGo won't install or sync to the storage card
> IE doesn't cache to the storage card
>
> (Although I've gotten ahold of a hack to address these two issues, why
does
> it take a hack? I'm a software developer. I think my customers would think
> my software pretty lame if I configured it so you have to install it to
the
> C:\ drive.)
>
> According to what you say, ActiveSync won't sync files on the storage
card.
> Why is the file storage location critical to this operation? Isn't the
> Notepad applet designed as a 'conduit' to its files on the device? If not,
> why not? Isn't that the way it works on the PC? Wouldn't it be pretty
#^%$@
> unacceptable to engineer things so that ActiveSync will only sync if my
> Outlook repository is installed to the C:\ drive? It's ridiculous!
>
> Many screen driver / utility programs won't install to the storage card
> since the drivers for the storage card aren't loaded in time. I feel like
> I'm in a time warp working with my first CD-ROM drive, trying to get
MSCDEX
> to load. (If there's anyone out there old enough to remember what I'm
> talking about.) You'd think that device manafacturers would have learned
by
> now. Media drivers load FIRST! Better yet, embed storage card support into
> the ROM / BIOS! You'd think these guys never heard of a bootable CD Drive.
>
> Based on the scarcity of main memory you'd think that there's be a higher
> level of support for the storage card.
>
> - Joe Geretz -
>
> "Rob Borek" <rborek@spamcop.net> wrote in message
> news:8a6upv4s33gbn6651lq11usv2ba7eiit4g@4ax.com...
> > On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:49:12 -0500, "Joseph Geretz"
> > <jgeretz@nospam.com> wrote:
> >
> > >How can I change the default location for 'My Documents' to the My
> Documents
> > >folder which I've created on the Storage Card?
> > >
> > >A while back I moved all of my Notes into this folder and I nver
noticed
> any
> > >problem on the Pocket PC, all of my Notes show up in the Note applet
just
> > >fine. However, I just noticed that on my PC, all of my Outlook notes
are
> > >gone! Although the Note applet can find them, evidently ActiveSync
> doesn't
> > >see these as Outlook notes anymore since they're not in the expected
> > >location. Does this diagnoses make sense? Will changing the defined
> location
> > >of My Documents to the storage card solve the problem?
> >
> > You cannot... I'd advise you to leave all Notes in main memory for
> > synchronization. You can use MightySync
> > (http://www.mydocsunlimited.com/html/mightysync.html) for all other
> > filess on your Storage Card.
> >
> > ActiveSync will only synchronize with main memory - not any storage
> > cards.
> >
> > --
> > Rob Borek
> > Want *ONE ON ONE* support? http://www.pocketpcone2one.com
>
>



Re: How do I change My Documents location? by Joseph

Joseph
Wed Oct 29 07:47:04 CST 2003

Hi Mojo,

"Mojo" <Butt@Fucker.com> wrote in message
news:iLJnb.14$Z17.2@newsread5.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> John Larrison has a tip that may solve your AvantGo storage problem on
this
> page of his website:
> http://www.larrison.us/pocketpc

Thanks for the link. Very interesting reading.

BTW, how do I access the registry on the Pocket PC? Does 'regedit' or some
similar program come installed? I've poked around a bit but I haven't found
anything to edit the registry. Do I need a third party tool for this?

Thanks,

- Joe Geretz -

>
> "Joseph Geretz" <jgeretz@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:%23h3u7ndnDHA.3504@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > Hi Rob,
> >
> > Thanks for your reply.
> >
> > This thing is so lame. All I've got is 32 MB of main memory. I've
> augmented
> > this with a 256 meg storage card. Despite this, many software vendors
> don't
> > offer support for this.
> >
> > AvantGo won't install or sync to the storage card
> > IE doesn't cache to the storage card
> >
> > (Although I've gotten ahold of a hack to address these two issues, why
> does
> > it take a hack? I'm a software developer. I think my customers would
think
> > my software pretty lame if I configured it so you have to install it to
> the
> > C:\ drive.)
> >
> > According to what you say, ActiveSync won't sync files on the storage
> card.
> > Why is the file storage location critical to this operation? Isn't the
> > Notepad applet designed as a 'conduit' to its files on the device? If
not,
> > why not? Isn't that the way it works on the PC? Wouldn't it be pretty
> #^%$@
> > unacceptable to engineer things so that ActiveSync will only sync if my
> > Outlook repository is installed to the C:\ drive? It's ridiculous!
> >
> > Many screen driver / utility programs won't install to the storage card
> > since the drivers for the storage card aren't loaded in time. I feel
like
> > I'm in a time warp working with my first CD-ROM drive, trying to get
> MSCDEX
> > to load. (If there's anyone out there old enough to remember what I'm
> > talking about.) You'd think that device manafacturers would have learned
> by
> > now. Media drivers load FIRST! Better yet, embed storage card support
into
> > the ROM / BIOS! You'd think these guys never heard of a bootable CD
Drive.
> >
> > Based on the scarcity of main memory you'd think that there's be a
higher
> > level of support for the storage card.
> >
> > - Joe Geretz -
> >
> > "Rob Borek" <rborek@spamcop.net> wrote in message
> > news:8a6upv4s33gbn6651lq11usv2ba7eiit4g@4ax.com...
> > > On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:49:12 -0500, "Joseph Geretz"
> > > <jgeretz@nospam.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >How can I change the default location for 'My Documents' to the My
> > Documents
> > > >folder which I've created on the Storage Card?
> > > >
> > > >A while back I moved all of my Notes into this folder and I nver
> noticed
> > any
> > > >problem on the Pocket PC, all of my Notes show up in the Note applet
> just
> > > >fine. However, I just noticed that on my PC, all of my Outlook notes
> are
> > > >gone! Although the Note applet can find them, evidently ActiveSync
> > doesn't
> > > >see these as Outlook notes anymore since they're not in the expected
> > > >location. Does this diagnoses make sense? Will changing the defined
> > location
> > > >of My Documents to the storage card solve the problem?
> > >
> > > You cannot... I'd advise you to leave all Notes in main memory for
> > > synchronization. You can use MightySync
> > > (http://www.mydocsunlimited.com/html/mightysync.html) for all other
> > > filess on your Storage Card.
> > >
> > > ActiveSync will only synchronize with main memory - not any storage
> > > cards.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Rob Borek
> > > Want *ONE ON ONE* support? http://www.pocketpcone2one.com
> >
> >
>
>



Re: How do I change My Documents location? by Joseph

Joseph
Wed Oct 29 11:02:49 CST 2003

Hi Ananda,

> Firstly, the meaning of "hack" has evolved over time. As a developer
myself,
> setting registry values isn't my definition of "hacking". Essentially
> functionality is there - the routines have to be parameterised otherwise
> changing a registry key would not work.

Let me clarify. I did not use the term in a pejorative sense, at least not
toward the developer of the 'hack' which I found to be extremely valuable.
However, having to edit the registry for a feature which should be supported
by the software itself - to me that's a 'hack'. It's a hackneyed way of
doing things, if you will.

> Why the programmer or programming teams decided not to expose that
> functionality in a user friendly dialog - typically a range of factors -
one
> of which is often insufficient testing across platforms to officially show
> the end user.

Tell me all about it. There's probably at least a dozen reasons to justify a
poor implementation. On the other hand, customers have the right to complain
about it.

> I arrived on the PocketPC scene in July 2003. From what I can see
ActiveSync
> was originally designed in <put your date here 19??>

Again, the litany of reasons you cite, has an 'excuses, excuses' quality to
it. As a developer, I can always come up with at least half a dozen reasons
to justify not changing a line of code. However, two significant factors
keep coming back again and again.

1. Our competitors are breathing down our necks.
2. We need to catch up to our competitors.

Must be nice to have a monopoly... It fosters a nice revenue stream, but
doesn't necessarily foster the creation of good software.

> In July 2003, 256Mb SD and CF cards are plenty and not expensive. What was
> it like at birth of ActiveSync?

And since the birth of ActiveSync, there has been no revenue stream to
justify updating AtiveSync to the current state of the industry?

As far as ActiveSync being developed originally in 199x, all I can say is
that if my own software simply maintained its status since 199x, there's be
about 20 people looking for work and the landlord would be looking to fill
some office space.

While the factors you cite, may indeed be the *reason* behind a poorly
implementated feature, they are by no means a *justification* for such a
poor implementation. (In this customer's opinion.)

> > Many screen driver / utility programs won't install to the storage card
> > since the drivers for the storage card aren't loaded in time. I feel
like

> I don't know what you mean by "loaded in time".

A driver is necessary in order to read the storage card. If I want to
install an alternate screen driver to be able to flip my display 90 degrees
to landscape, I can't install it to storage since the screen driver loads
*before* the storage driver loads. (At least this is what the vendor has
told me.) This is what I mean by the storage card driver not being loaded in
time to support other software which might otherwise rely on it. So again, I
repeat my advice to manufacturers: Media drivers *first*.

> Microsoft has sworn off Windows registry and "DLL HELL" by adopting XML
> manifests in the .NET architecture.

Well slightly tangential, but I can't resist:

And the fox has sworn off chickens. You can safely put him in charge of your
hen house.

- Joe Geretz -



Re: How do I change My Documents location? by Joseph

Joseph
Wed Oct 29 14:08:50 CST 2003

I've just downloaded the free Registry editor from PHM.

http://www.phm.lu/Products/PocketPC/RegEdit/download.asp

Looks very nice. I see a FileSyncPath which is set to \My Documents. It
should be interesting to set this to \Storage Card\My Documents and see what
happens.

I'll let you know...

- Joe Geretz -

"Joseph Geretz" <jgeretz@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:%23sGMmMinDHA.1884@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Hi Mojo,
>
> "Mojo" <Butt@Fucker.com> wrote in message
> news:iLJnb.14$Z17.2@newsread5.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> > John Larrison has a tip that may solve your AvantGo storage problem on
> this
> > page of his website:
> > http://www.larrison.us/pocketpc
>
> Thanks for the link. Very interesting reading.
>
> BTW, how do I access the registry on the Pocket PC? Does 'regedit' or some
> similar program come installed? I've poked around a bit but I haven't
found
> anything to edit the registry. Do I need a third party tool for this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> - Joe Geretz -
>
> >
> > "Joseph Geretz" <jgeretz@nospam.com> wrote in message
> > news:%23h3u7ndnDHA.3504@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > > Hi Rob,
> > >
> > > Thanks for your reply.
> > >
> > > This thing is so lame. All I've got is 32 MB of main memory. I've
> > augmented
> > > this with a 256 meg storage card. Despite this, many software vendors
> > don't
> > > offer support for this.
> > >
> > > AvantGo won't install or sync to the storage card
> > > IE doesn't cache to the storage card
> > >
> > > (Although I've gotten ahold of a hack to address these two issues, why
> > does
> > > it take a hack? I'm a software developer. I think my customers would
> think
> > > my software pretty lame if I configured it so you have to install it
to
> > the
> > > C:\ drive.)
> > >
> > > According to what you say, ActiveSync won't sync files on the storage
> > card.
> > > Why is the file storage location critical to this operation? Isn't the
> > > Notepad applet designed as a 'conduit' to its files on the device? If

> not,
> > > why not? Isn't that the way it works on the PC? Wouldn't it be pretty
> > #^%$@
> > > unacceptable to engineer things so that ActiveSync will only sync if
my
> > > Outlook repository is installed to the C:\ drive? It's ridiculous!
> > >
> > > Many screen driver / utility programs won't install to the storage
card
> > > since the drivers for the storage card aren't loaded in time. I feel
> like
> > > I'm in a time warp working with my first CD-ROM drive, trying to get
> > MSCDEX
> > > to load. (If there's anyone out there old enough to remember what I'm
> > > talking about.) You'd think that device manafacturers would have
learned
> > by
> > > now. Media drivers load FIRST! Better yet, embed storage card support
> into
> > > the ROM / BIOS! You'd think these guys never heard of a bootable CD
> Drive.
> > >
> > > Based on the scarcity of main memory you'd think that there's be a
> higher
> > > level of support for the storage card.
> > >
> > > - Joe Geretz -
> > >
> > > "Rob Borek" <rborek@spamcop.net> wrote in message
> > > news:8a6upv4s33gbn6651lq11usv2ba7eiit4g@4ax.com...
> > > > On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:49:12 -0500, "Joseph Geretz"
> > > > <jgeretz@nospam.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >How can I change the default location for 'My Documents' to the My
> > > Documents
> > > > >folder which I've created on the Storage Card?
> > > > >
> > > > >A while back I moved all of my Notes into this folder and I nver
> > noticed
> > > any
> > > > >problem on the Pocket PC, all of my Notes show up in the Note
applet
> > just
> > > > >fine. However, I just noticed that on my PC, all of my Outlook
notes
> > are
> > > > >gone! Although the Note applet can find them, evidently ActiveSync
> > > doesn't
> > > > >see these as Outlook notes anymore since they're not in the
expected
> > > > >location. Does this diagnoses make sense? Will changing the defined
> > > location
> > > > >of My Documents to the storage card solve the problem?
> > > >
> > > > You cannot... I'd advise you to leave all Notes in main memory for
> > > > synchronization. You can use MightySync
> > > > (http://www.mydocsunlimited.com/html/mightysync.html) for all other
> > > > filess on your Storage Card.
> > > >
> > > > ActiveSync will only synchronize with main memory - not any storage
> > > > cards.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Rob Borek
> > > > Want *ONE ON ONE* support? http://www.pocketpcone2one.com
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>



Re: How do I change My Documents location? by Sven

Sven
Wed Oct 29 21:08:26 CST 2003

I'm sure as developers you two are adept at trying to make your applications
foolproof. I'm sure you also learned not to underestimate fools. While it
certainly makes sense to allow redirecting large file storage potentials to
something other than the limited internal RAM, does it make sense to allow
redirecting essential storage paths to removable storage? At least think of
it in this aspect for the average (or median) user. After you have managed
to redirect your My Documents default file storage, the Avantgo cache, the
explorer cache/temp, your Inbox attachments, etc. etc. go ahead and pull
that SD card and see what happens the next time you try to sync. There's a
guaranteed help desk deluge. Sometimes not providing a boatload of
options just guarantees fewer ways for the user to screw it up. Just my
observation.

BTW, I'm not implying the average user is a fool, just that not everyone
that uses one of these is a geek, just like everyone that drives a car isn't
a mechanic...and shouldn't need to be.

--
Sven, MS-MVP Mobile Devices
"Joseph Geretz" <jgeretz@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:OZxtk5jnDHA.2776@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Hi Ananda,
>
> > Firstly, the meaning of "hack" has evolved over time. As a developer
> myself,
> > setting registry values isn't my definition of "hacking". Essentially
> > functionality is there - the routines have to be parameterised otherwise
> > changing a registry key would not work.
>
> Let me clarify. I did not use the term in a pejorative sense, at least not
> toward the developer of the 'hack' which I found to be extremely valuable.
> However, having to edit the registry for a feature which should be
supported
> by the software itself - to me that's a 'hack'. It's a hackneyed way of
> doing things, if you will.
>
> > Why the programmer or programming teams decided not to expose that
> > functionality in a user friendly dialog - typically a range of factors -
> one
> > of which is often insufficient testing across platforms to officially
show
> > the end user.
>
> Tell me all about it. There's probably at least a dozen reasons to justify
a
> poor implementation. On the other hand, customers have the right to
complain
> about it.
>
> > I arrived on the PocketPC scene in July 2003. From what I can see
> ActiveSync
> > was originally designed in <put your date here 19??>
>
> Again, the litany of reasons you cite, has an 'excuses, excuses' quality
to
> it. As a developer, I can always come up with at least half a dozen
reasons
> to justify not changing a line of code. However, two significant factors
> keep coming back again and again.
>
> 1. Our competitors are breathing down our necks.
> 2. We need to catch up to our competitors.
>
> Must be nice to have a monopoly... It fosters a nice revenue stream, but
> doesn't necessarily foster the creation of good software.
>
> > In July 2003, 256Mb SD and CF cards are plenty and not expensive. What
was
> > it like at birth of ActiveSync?
>
> And since the birth of ActiveSync, there has been no revenue stream to
> justify updating AtiveSync to the current state of the industry?
>
> As far as ActiveSync being developed originally in 199x, all I can say is
> that if my own software simply maintained its status since 199x, there's
be
> about 20 people looking for work and the landlord would be looking to fill
> some office space.
>
> While the factors you cite, may indeed be the *reason* behind a poorly
> implementated feature, they are by no means a *justification* for such a
> poor implementation. (In this customer's opinion.)
>
> > > Many screen driver / utility programs won't install to the storage
card
> > > since the drivers for the storage card aren't loaded in time. I feel
> like
>
> > I don't know what you mean by "loaded in time".
>
> A driver is necessary in order to read the storage card. If I want to
> install an alternate screen driver to be able to flip my display 90
degrees
> to landscape, I can't install it to storage since the screen driver loads
> *before* the storage driver loads. (At least this is what the vendor has
> told me.) This is what I mean by the storage card driver not being loaded
in
> time to support other software which might otherwise rely on it. So again,
I
> repeat my advice to manufacturers: Media drivers *first*.
>
> > Microsoft has sworn off Windows registry and "DLL HELL" by adopting XML
> > manifests in the .NET architecture.
>
> Well slightly tangential, but I can't resist:
>
> And the fox has sworn off chickens. You can safely put him in charge of
your
> hen house.
>
> - Joe Geretz -
>
>



Re: How do I change My Documents location? by Joseph

Joseph
Wed Oct 29 22:00:51 CST 2003

Hi Sven,

> I'm sure as developers you two are adept at trying to make your
applications
> foolproof. I'm sure you also learned not to underestimate fools.

:-)

> certainly makes sense to allow redirecting large file storage potentials
to
> something other than the limited internal RAM, does it make sense to allow
> redirecting essential storage paths to removable storage? At least think
of
> it in this aspect for the average (or median) user. After you have
managed
> to redirect your My Documents default file storage, the Avantgo cache, the
> explorer cache/temp, your Inbox attachments, etc. etc. go ahead and pull
> that SD card and see what happens the next time you try to sync.

Dialog: The path 'such and such' cannot be located. If this path is on a
removable device, please make sure the correct device is inserted and retry
the operation. Or some such.

When you think about it, it's not any different from any removable storage
media such as a floppy or CD-ROM. What happens when you eject a CD in the
middle of an install? You get a cannot read file dialog. Slide the CD back
in, click OK and keep on chugging. On the desktop, we're way past Abort,
Retry or Fail. Why is the Pocket PC file system so 1970's?

- Joe Geretz -



Re: How do I change My Documents location? by Ananda

Ananda
Fri Oct 31 23:17:49 CST 2003

Hi Joe,

"Joseph Geretz" <jgeretz@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:OZxtk5jnDHA.2776@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...

> Let me clarify. I did not use the term in a pejorative sense, at least not
> toward the developer of the 'hack' which I found to be extremely valuable.
> However, having to edit the registry for a feature which should be
supported
> by the software itself - to me that's a 'hack'. It's a hackneyed way of
> doing things, if you will.

Hmm. Wonder what the etymology of "hack" in computer jargon is. My
understanding was to either tamper with the program so that you change
undocumented parameters in the executable but www.m-w.com and others seem to
prefer "gain access to a computer illegally".

> Tell me all about it. There's probably at least a dozen reasons to justify
a
> poor implementation. On the other hand, customers have the right to
complain
> about it.

Customers can complain about anything they want - it is a "free" world. Why
the Toyota Corolla doesn't have 4WD. etc...

> Again, the litany of reasons you cite, has an 'excuses, excuses' quality
to
> it. As a developer, I can always come up with at least half a dozen
reasons

> While the factors you cite, may indeed be the *reason* behind a poorly
> implementated feature, they are by no means a *justification* for such a
> poor implementation. (In this customer's opinion.)

Strange attitude to take. I am neither a Microsoft apologist nor am I am
Microsoft attacker. I was merely stating what could be the causes of the
situation. They were neither excuses nor justifications.

> Must be nice to have a monopoly... It fosters a nice revenue stream, but
> doesn't necessarily foster the creation of good software.

I don't think MS has a monopoly on PDA. There is PalmOS which I think has a
larger share of the market at the moment.

> Well slightly tangential, but I can't resist:
>
> And the fox has sworn off chickens. You can safely put him in charge of
your
> hen house.
>

If you do not like Microsoft or you don't like the PocketPC architecture,
either suggest

make recommendations to them in a publicly available channel:
http://register.microsoft.com/mswish/suggestion.asp

or vote with your feet. Send me your PocketPC gratis and go buy a Palm /
Clie

Ananda



Re: How do I change My Documents location? by Joseph

Joseph
Sun Nov 02 11:11:26 CST 2003

> If you do not like Microsoft or you don't like the PocketPC architecture,
> either suggest

Touchy, touchy...

> make recommendations to them in a publicly available channel:
> http://register.microsoft.com/mswish/suggestion.asp
>
> or vote with your feet. Send me your PocketPC gratis and go buy a Palm /
> Clie

Well, having voted with my wallet, it's a bit late to vote with my feet.
Send you my PocketPC gratis? Is this your best offer? You must really be a
fan!

I've had Palm in the past, I was a relatively early adopter, and got in with
the Palm Vx when it was $450. I subsequently purchased the Omnisky Minstel
modem and enjoyed the integration between PDA and Internet connectivity. I
spotted the T-Mobile Pocket PC edition on Amazon and felt very enthusiastic
about a device which could pull all of this together, plus a phone and with
a Windows OS, no less in my shirt pocket. Terrific! I will say however,
notwithstanding the name "Windows", this device has nothing on a similarly
equipped Palm device. (Technologically that is - the rebate and T-Mobile
plan are excellent from an economical standpoint). The biggest similarity
this OS has with desktop Windows is the need to reboot it 2-3 times a day.

So, as I say, having votes with my wallet, I can no longer vote with my feet
(at least not until my contract expires and I can feel that I've paid down
my investment.) Having conceded my right to vote with my feet, you will
surely concede me the same voting right via speech? Or is this NG only for
wholehearted, uncritical fans?

- Joe Geretz -



Re: How do I change My Documents location? by Ananda

Ananda
Sun Nov 02 18:11:55 CST 2003

Hi Joe,

"Joseph Geretz" <jgeretz@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:%23t8cdRWoDHA.3504@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...

> > If you do not like Microsoft or you don't like the PocketPC
architecture,
> > either suggest
>
> Touchy, touchy...

In what way, pray tell? I thought I was making some sage advice?

>
> > make recommendations to them in a publicly available channel:
> > http://register.microsoft.com/mswish/suggestion.asp
> >
> > or vote with your feet. Send me your PocketPC gratis and go buy a Palm /
> > Clie
>
> Well, having voted with my wallet, it's a bit late to vote with my feet.
> Send you my PocketPC gratis? Is this your best offer? You must really be a
> fan!

No, just someone who believes in recycling. I mean, one man's poison is
another man's meat.

> plan are excellent from an economical standpoint). The biggest similarity
> this OS has with desktop Windows is the need to reboot it 2-3 times a day.

This OS reminds me of DOS + Windows 3.x. Indeed. Desktop Windows 2000 and XP
do not give me at all this kinda grief.

> my investment.) Having conceded my right to vote with my feet, you will
> surely concede me the same voting right via speech? Or is this NG only for
> wholehearted, uncritical fans?
>

Oh, unkind cut. I did say

"Customers can complain about anything they want - it is a "free" world."

If you do a search of the microsoft.public.pocketpc NG, you will see that I
post with a range of opinions sometimes appreciative, sometimes critical. I
rarely post to the other two NG.

Do have a nice day.

Ananda





Re: How do I change My Documents location? by elecconnec

elecconnec
Sun Nov 02 22:00:30 CST 2003

"Joseph Geretz" <jgeretz@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<#t8cdRWoDHA.3504@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl>...

> So, as I say, having votes with my wallet, I can no longer vote with my feet
> (at least not until my contract expires and I can feel that I've paid down
> my investment.) Having conceded my right to vote with my feet, you will
> surely concede me the same voting right via speech? Or is this NG only for
> wholehearted, uncritical fans?

Naaah, but most of us accept the design decisions, even the "excuses",
if you will, at face value, and try to remember the intended market
for PPCs.

The problem, IMHO, with allowing you to redefine the path for syncing
to a removable card, is that the "typical" PPC user, who is using the
unit primarily as a PIM, tends to sync and go, and would only
discover, perhaps too late, your suggested dialog box informing him or
her that they attempted to sync to a removable device.

Sure, the "power user" might be insulted by the lack of user control,
but M$ only sees the PPC as a PC peripheral, not aa powerful
palm-sized computer in it's own right (as I do!) So, I tend to
supplement my device with third party tools, and registry changes to
make it more "independent" (for example, many basic file manipulations
can't be performed by the built-in file explorer, and need either
third-party apps, or to be "docked" to use the PC's explorer!)

But, just like in the days of DOS, when any power user tended to have
a suite of third party apps and utilities to perform tasks they
thought the operating system should've included, "power" PPC users
tend to equip their PPCs with various third-party utils to plug the
"holes" in the OS.

Re: How do I change My Documents location? by Joseph

Joseph
Mon Nov 03 07:15:11 CST 2003

Hi Todd,

> The problem, IMHO, with allowing you to redefine the path for syncing
> to a removable card, is that the "typical" PPC user, who is using the
> unit primarily as a PIM, tends to sync and go, and would only
> discover, perhaps too late, your suggested dialog box informing him or
> her that they attempted to sync to a removable device.

As far as I can see, (from a sampling of my own friends who use PPC) it's
quite common to install a Storage Card more or less permanently in the
device in order to compensate for the small amount of main memory otherwise
available. In this context the Storage Card is like a PCI card. Sure, it's
physically removable. But practically speaking, it's fixed.

> But, just like in the days of DOS, when any power user tended to have
> a suite of third party apps and utilities to perform tasks they
> thought the operating system should've included, "power" PPC users
> tend to equip their PPCs with various third-party utils to plug the
> "holes" in the OS.

No problem, that's what I came here looking to find. But there doesn't seem
to be one available for this particular case.

- Joe Geretz -



Re: How do I change My Documents location? by Lucian

Lucian
Mon Nov 03 08:20:20 CST 2003

Joseph Geretz wrote:
>As far as I can see, (from a sampling of my own friends who use PPC) it's
>quite common to install a Storage Card more or less permanently in the
>device in order to compensate for the small amount of main memory otherwise
>available.

My father bought a 1gb SD card so he could keep his entire archive of
documents on it, so it was handy wherever he went.

... unfortunately, whenever you launch Pocket Word &c., they insist on
scanning EVERY SINGLE BLOODY DOCUMENT on the entire SD card, so as to
display the "doclist". Moreover, they do this scanning even if it's
unnecessary, eg. when you click on a file from Explorer.

This design "quirk" has meant that the PocketPC is useless for this
archive purpose. Shame.

--
Lucian

Re: How do I change My Documents location? by Joseph

Joseph
Mon Nov 03 09:01:09 CST 2003

Hi Lucian,

I think I read on some other thread, that documents are only scanned 1
subfolder deep? Is this correct, or am I wrong about this? If this is
correct, then that might be a solution for your dad's problem.

- Joe Geretz -

"Lucian Wischik" <lu.nn@wischik.com> wrote in message
news:btocqv8s15rij40h8lr4a0ujaqcekhivu9@4ax.com...
> Joseph Geretz wrote:
> >As far as I can see, (from a sampling of my own friends who use PPC) it's
> >quite common to install a Storage Card more or less permanently in the
> >device in order to compensate for the small amount of main memory
otherwise
> >available.
>
> My father bought a 1gb SD card so he could keep his entire archive of
> documents on it, so it was handy wherever he went.
>
> ... unfortunately, whenever you launch Pocket Word &c., they insist on
> scanning EVERY SINGLE BLOODY DOCUMENT on the entire SD card, so as to
> display the "doclist". Moreover, they do this scanning even if it's
> unnecessary, eg. when you click on a file from Explorer.
>
> This design "quirk" has meant that the PocketPC is useless for this
> archive purpose. Shame.
>
> --
> Lucian



Re: How do I change My Documents location? by elecconnec

elecconnec
Mon Nov 03 21:13:42 CST 2003

Lucian Wischik <lu.nn@wischik.com> wrote in message news:<btocqv8s15rij40h8lr4a0ujaqcekhivu9@4ax.com>...
> Joseph Geretz wrote:
> >As far as I can see, (from a sampling of my own friends who use PPC) it's
> >quite common to install a Storage Card more or less permanently in the
> >device in order to compensate for the small amount of main memory otherwise
> >available.
>
> My father bought a 1gb SD card so he could keep his entire archive of
> documents on it, so it was handy wherever he went.
>
> ... unfortunately, whenever you launch Pocket Word &c., they insist on
> scanning EVERY SINGLE BLOODY DOCUMENT on the entire SD card, so as to
> display the "doclist". Moreover, they do this scanning even if it's
> unnecessary, eg. when you click on a file from Explorer.
>
> This design "quirk" has meant that the PocketPC is useless for this
> archive purpose. Shame.

Have him try this- change the name of the My Documents directory on
the SD card to "Word Docs" (or whatever he wants). Now Word will
ignore those files and load quicker. The caviat is that if he wants
to load one of those files, he'll have to use file explorer to find
the file, and tap on the file name, which will, of course, load Pocket
Word and open the file.

Re: How do I change My Documents location? by elecconnec

elecconnec
Mon Nov 03 21:37:47 CST 2003

"Joseph Geretz" <jgeretz@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<OQJQPygoDHA.976@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl>...
> Hi Todd,
>
> As far as I can see, (from a sampling of my own friends who use PPC) it's
> quite common to install a Storage Card more or less permanently in the
> device in order to compensate for the small amount of main memory otherwise
> available. In this context the Storage Card is like a PCI card. Sure, it's
> physically removable. But practically speaking, it's fixed.

True enough, but the early PPCs were one slot devices- using a modem,
or NIC forced you to jettison the memory. (This was painful on my old
Casio-E115. I generally had Avantgo sync to CF card, but when on
vacation had to rerig the registry to store Avantgo in main mem so I
could sync Avantgo w/my CF modem!)

These days I only buy dual-slot PPCs so I can have a "permanent"
memory SD card and a "removable" CF peripheral slot.

> > But, just like in the days of DOS, when any power user tended to have
> > a suite of third party apps and utilities to perform tasks they
> > thought the operating system should've included, "power" PPC users
> > tend to equip their PPCs with various third-party utils to plug the
> > "holes" in the OS.
>
> No problem, that's what I came here looking to find. But there doesn't seem
> to be one available for this particular case.

Not a power tool or utility, perhaps, but there is a solution- IIRC,
an app called Intellisync by Pumatech (www.pumatech.com) allows
syncing w/a storage card, but at $70 I've learned to do without! ;-)

Re: How do I change My Documents location? by Dale

Dale
Mon Nov 03 21:53:37 CST 2003



Todd Allcock wrote:

> "Joseph Geretz" <jgeretz@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<OQJQPygoDHA.976@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl>...
>
>>Hi Todd,
>>
>>As far as I can see, (from a sampling of my own friends who use PPC) it's
>>quite common to install a Storage Card more or less permanently in the
>>device in order to compensate for the small amount of main memory otherwise
>>available. In this context the Storage Card is like a PCI card. Sure, it's
>>physically removable. But practically speaking, it's fixed.

yes, this is often the way it used but viewing it as a pci card is
incorrect. It should be viewed as a diskdrive. If you load applications
and data on it you can easily remove it and swap when needed or desired.
For example making a backup is a good time to have a dedicated card.
Other dedicated usages might be GPS operation where you fill up the card
with maps. Otherwise you throw away a perfectly good card only to pay a
premium for a larger card.

> True enough, but the early PPCs were one slot devices- using a modem,
> or NIC forced you to jettison the memory. (This was painful on my old
> Casio-E115. I generally had Avantgo sync to CF card, but when on
> vacation had to rerig the registry to store Avantgo in main mem so I
> could sync Avantgo w/my CF modem!)
>
> These days I only buy dual-slot PPCs so I can have a "permanent"
> memory SD card and a "removable" CF peripheral slot.

This is a useful paradigm but remember either card can be removeble when
needed. Actually i/o can be used in either card slot.


--
_ _ Dale DePriest
/`) _ // http://users.cwnet.com/dalede
o/_/ (_(_X_(` For GPS and GPS/PDAs


Re: How do I change My Documents location? by elecconnec

elecconnec
Tue Nov 04 22:25:36 CST 2003

Dale DePriest <Dale@gpsinformation.het> wrote in message news:<vqe8m743iit457@corp.supernews.com>...

> > These days I only buy dual-slot PPCs so I can have a "permanent"
> > memory SD card and a "removable" CF peripheral slot.
>
> This is a useful paradigm but remember either card can be removeble when
> needed. Actually i/o can be used in either card slot.

Not in my two PPCs (an Audiovox Maestro and Dell Axim X5). The SD
slots have no I/O capability.

I suspect as time goes by, and SDIO becomes more prevalent, we'll see
PPCs with two SD slots (with one or both being SDIO) instead of 1 SD,
1 CF.

At that time, of course, my CF investment (modem, WLAN, GPS, memory)
becomes fodder for eBay, I suppose! ;-)