Windows CE vs. Windows Mobile

I am beginner in PocketPC development. Can you tell me what is the
difference between Windows CE and Windows Mobile? Is Windows CE older and
surpassed OS with far less functionality then Windows Mobile?

Ginny
Fri Feb 03 08:46:25 CST 2006

Petar,

Windows CE is the operating system that Windows Mobile runs on. Windows
Mobile 5.0 runs on the Windows CE 5 OS. Windows CE is a modular operating
system, so devices that are called Windows CE (that aren't also Windows
Mobile or PocketPC or Smartphone) have only whatever parts of the CE OS that
the device manufacturer chooses.

--
Ginny Caughey
.NET Compact Framework MVP


"Petar Popara" <my.fake@mail.net> wrote in message
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>
> I am beginner in PocketPC development. Can you tell me what is the
> difference between Windows CE and Windows Mobile? Is Windows CE older and
> surpassed OS with far less functionality then Windows Mobile?
>

Petar
Fri Feb 03 09:01:02 CST 2006


> Windows CE is the operating system that Windows Mobile runs on. Windows
> Mobile 5.0 runs on the Windows CE 5 OS. Windows CE is a modular operating
> system, so devices that are called Windows CE (that aren't also Windows
> Mobile or PocketPC or Smartphone) have only whatever parts of the CE OS
> that the device manufacturer chooses.

Thank you. Few days ago, I received an answer on one MS newsgroup, claiming
that for Windows CE development I need MS Embedded Visual C++ 4.0 and for
Windows Mobile I need VS 2005.Net. Which kind of apps I can develop for
Windows CE and which kind for Windows Mobile? I belive there is different
"usage scenario"?

Ginny
Fri Feb 03 09:06:14 CST 2006

Petar,

The types of apps you'd develop for Windows CE depend on the exact hardware
and parts of CE that you're working with. As an oversimplification, CE apps
generally target industrial uses while Windows Mobile apps target consumer
uses, but I've written non-consumer apps for Windows Mobile too.

You can use VS 2005 to develop for CE 5.0, but you need eVC to target
earlier versions of CE.

--
Ginny Caughey
.NET Compact Framework MVP


"Petar Popara" <my.fake@mail.net> wrote in message
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>> Windows CE is the operating system that Windows Mobile runs on. Windows
>> Mobile 5.0 runs on the Windows CE 5 OS. Windows CE is a modular operating
>> system, so devices that are called Windows CE (that aren't also Windows
>> Mobile or PocketPC or Smartphone) have only whatever parts of the CE OS
>> that the device manufacturer chooses.
>
> Thank you. Few days ago, I received an answer on one MS newsgroup,
> claiming that for Windows CE development I need MS Embedded Visual C++ 4.0
> and for Windows Mobile I need VS 2005.Net. Which kind of apps I can
> develop for Windows CE and which kind for Windows Mobile? I belive there
> is different "usage scenario"?
>

Petar
Fri Feb 03 09:30:08 CST 2006


> You can use VS 2005 to develop for CE 5.0, but you need eVC to target
> earlier versions of CE.

My task now is to investigate possibilities for development for PocketPC. Is
there a way to develop for PocketPC using Visual C++ 2005 Express Edition?
Because it is free of charge. I have Visual Studio 2003 Pro, but I don't
know when my (small) company will upgrade to 2005 version. I would need some
free or trial version of development tool for PocketPC to create one simple
app, just to get a "feeling" how it looks like to develop for PocketPC and
to give to my boss some estimation how long development of our PocketPC
project might last.

Petar
Fri Feb 03 09:31:29 CST 2006


> The types of apps you'd develop for Windows CE depend on the exact
> hardware
> and parts of CE that you're working with. As an oversimplification, CE
> apps generally target industrial uses while Windows Mobile apps target
> consumer uses, but I've written non-consumer apps for Windows Mobile too.

Mine app should involve digital signing and digital certificates. I think
the best OS would be Windows Mobile.

Ginny
Fri Feb 03 11:44:51 CST 2006

Petar,

There's no support for smart device development in any of the Express
products. You can download a trial version of VS 2005 here:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/trial/

--
Ginny Caughey
.NET Compact Framework MVP


"Petar Popara" <my.fake@mail.net> wrote in message
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>> You can use VS 2005 to develop for CE 5.0, but you need eVC to target
>> earlier versions of CE.
>
> My task now is to investigate possibilities for development for PocketPC.
> Is there a way to develop for PocketPC using Visual C++ 2005 Express
> Edition? Because it is free of charge. I have Visual Studio 2003 Pro, but
> I don't know when my (small) company will upgrade to 2005 version. I would
> need some free or trial version of development tool for PocketPC to create
> one simple app, just to get a "feeling" how it looks like to develop for
> PocketPC and to give to my boss some estimation how long development of
> our PocketPC project might last.
>

r_z_aret
Fri Feb 03 15:08:16 CST 2006

On Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:42:23 +0100, "Petar Popara" <my.fake@mail.net>
wrote:

>
>I am beginner in PocketPC development. Can you tell me what is the
>difference between Windows CE and Windows Mobile? Is Windows CE older and
>surpassed OS with far less functionality then Windows Mobile?

As Ginny Caughey pointed out, Windows CE is the base operating system.
Pocket PC and Smartphone are "platforms" that are based on the Windows
CE operating system. Windows Mobile is an umbrella term that covers
Pocket PC and Smartphone.

Each platform has an associated SDK, and you cannot use any of
Microsoft's tools for mobile development without an SDK. So you cannot
create a program for Windows CE itself. Microsoft supplies SDKs for
Pocket PC and Smartphone. Several companies make devices that are
neither Pocket PC nor Smartphone. Some program can be created for some
of these devices using one of the Microsoft SDKs, but other
combination require an SDK from the manufacturer.

For more info, use google to look up
platform
in this newsgroup. Also, check
http://www.pocketpcfaq.com/wce/versions.htm
http://www.pocketpcfaq.com/wce/versions.htm

Also, in this context "newbie" is a useful word, not a pejorative. If
you use google to look it up in any newsgroup, you will probably get
some useful and relevant info.


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r_z_aret
Fri Feb 03 15:08:16 CST 2006

On Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:30:08 +0100, "Petar Popara" <my.fake@mail.net>
wrote:

>
>> You can use VS 2005 to develop for CE 5.0, but you need eVC to target
>> earlier versions of CE.
>
>My task now is to investigate possibilities for development for PocketPC. Is
>there a way to develop for PocketPC using Visual C++ 2005 Express Edition?
>Because it is free of charge. I have Visual Studio 2003 Pro, but I don't
>know when my (small) company will upgrade to 2005 version. I would need some
>free or trial version of development tool for PocketPC to create one simple
>app, just to get a "feeling" how it looks like to develop for PocketPC and
>to give to my boss some estimation how long development of our PocketPC
>project might last.

Although Microsoft has stopped supporting eVC, it is still available
as a free download on their web site. So you can use it if you're
comfortable with C/C++. Look for eVC 4 and the Pocket PC 2003 SDK. You
won't be able to debug on a newer device, and you might see a few
extra warnings (at least at first), but you could get started. You can
also get Microsoft's new, free emulator. It is meant to go with VS
2005, but it should run apps you build with eVC 4.


>

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Daniel
Fri Feb 03 16:44:41 CST 2006

WM vs WinCE:
http://blogs.msdn.com/marcpe/archive/2005/04/22/410778.aspx

VS2005 support matrix:
http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2005/06/02/424382.aspx

Free NETCF v2.0 development:
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms172492(en-US,VS.80).aspx

Cheers
Daniel
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"Petar Popara" <my.fake@mail.net> wrote in message
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> I am beginner in PocketPC development. Can you tell me what is the
> difference between Windows CE and Windows Mobile? Is Windows CE older and
> surpassed OS with far less functionality then Windows Mobile?
>

Petar
Mon Feb 06 01:55:17 CST 2006


> You can download a trial version of VS 2005 here:
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/trial/

Are you sure? It offers me only to oreder it on DVD.

Ginny
Mon Feb 06 05:48:59 CST 2006

Petar,

Then I guess you can order a DVD. Thanks for the correction.

--
Ginny Caughey
.NET Compact Framework MVP


"Petar Popara" <my.fake@mail.net> wrote in message
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>> You can download a trial version of VS 2005 here:
>> http://msdn.microsoft.com/trial/
>
> Are you sure? It offers me only to oreder it on DVD.
>