Hi all,
I am trying to persist .NET Compact Framework(a cab file), two other third
party softwares on a Symbol PDT 8100/Windows Mobile 2003 across cold boots.
My problem is that the Flash File System(\Application and \Platform folders)
on the device is way less than what I need.

I have added a compact flash card to the device. Copied all three cab
files(.NET CF and two third party softwares) to the compact flash card. Wrote
a .CPY file which would tell the Operating System to copy the CAB files from
Compact Flash card to "\Windows\Startup". This is not working.

How can I persist three softwares across cold boots if the space on the
Flash File System is less and the Compact Flash card method does not work?
Can I somehow increase the memory for the Flash File System? Any ideas would
be much Appreciated.

Thanks in Advance,
KriS.
If at all the

Re: Symbol PDT 8100 Cold boot. by r_z_aret

r_z_aret
Thu Feb 17 13:00:51 CST 2005

On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:09:06 -0800, "KriS"
<KriS@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>Hi all,
>I am trying to persist .NET Compact Framework(a cab file), two other third
>party softwares on a Symbol PDT 8100/Windows Mobile 2003 across cold boots.
>My problem is that the Flash File System(\Application and \Platform folders)
>on the device is way less than what I need.
>
>I have added a compact flash card to the device. Copied all three cab
>files(.NET CF and two third party softwares) to the compact flash card. Wrote
>a .CPY file which would tell the Operating System to copy the CAB files from
>Compact Flash card to "\Windows\Startup". This is not working.

Please expand "not working" a bit. Is the .CPY file not triggered? Or
is it triggered, but fails to copy the files? Or are the files copied,
but the CAB files don't start? (ugly grammar, but meaning should be
clear enough). I don't know what a .CPY file is. From this paragraph I
_think_ it is some sort of file that can specify copy operations to be
performed after a cold/warm reboot. I suspect it is a Symbol-specific
feature, although I've encountered similar features with other
vendors. If it is, check the syntax for the statements you put in it;
such files are prone to fussiness about case (upper/lower case
letters) and spaces. Also, make sure you give it an "acceptable" name
and put it in an "acceptable" place ("acceptable" is determined by the
rules for the feature).


>
>How can I persist three softwares across cold boots if the space on the
>Flash File System is less and the Compact Flash card method does not work?
>Can I somehow increase the memory for the Flash File System? Any ideas would
>be much Appreciated.

For my stuff, I put together a utility that copies files from CF/SD
cards, and "runs" CAB files if appropriate. For most devices, I've
used the "autorun" facility that is supported on Pocket PCs (for more
info, use google to look up autorun in this newsgroups). For some
specialized devices, I've had to adapt to specialized features. And
for these, I've put a copy of my utility in persistent storage, but
everything else on CF/SD cards.

I considered putting all my backup stuff (utility, CAB files, data
files, ...) in specialized persistent storage. But I'm concerned about
running out of room. My utility is small. And any problems trying to
fit it into persistent storage will be detected at installation. The
other stuff is way smaller than any CF/SD card on sale now.

>
>Thanks in Advance,
>KriS.
>If at all the

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Re: Symbol PDT 8100 Cold boot. by KriS

KriS
Thu Feb 17 14:27:01 CST 2005

"Not working" meaning the .CPY which is Symbol specific would not copy any
files located on the storage card to the windows folder. The .CPY files are
only meant to copy files located in the \Application and \Platform
folder(specific to Symbol).

I will look up the autorun program you were referring to, which would run
the cab files from the CF card. This is exactly what I need. I will post my
progress..

Thanks a bunch,
KriS.

"r_z_aret@pen_fact.com" wrote:

> On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:09:06 -0800, "KriS"
> <KriS@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> >Hi all,
> >I am trying to persist .NET Compact Framework(a cab file), two other third
> >party softwares on a Symbol PDT 8100/Windows Mobile 2003 across cold boots.
> >My problem is that the Flash File System(\Application and \Platform folders)
> >on the device is way less than what I need.
> >
> >I have added a compact flash card to the device. Copied all three cab
> >files(.NET CF and two third party softwares) to the compact flash card. Wrote
> >a .CPY file which would tell the Operating System to copy the CAB files from
> >Compact Flash card to "\Windows\Startup". This is not working.
>
> Please expand "not working" a bit. Is the .CPY file not triggered? Or
> is it triggered, but fails to copy the files? Or are the files copied,
> but the CAB files don't start? (ugly grammar, but meaning should be
> clear enough). I don't know what a .CPY file is. From this paragraph I
> _think_ it is some sort of file that can specify copy operations to be
> performed after a cold/warm reboot. I suspect it is a Symbol-specific
> feature, although I've encountered similar features with other
> vendors. If it is, check the syntax for the statements you put in it;
> such files are prone to fussiness about case (upper/lower case
> letters) and spaces. Also, make sure you give it an "acceptable" name
> and put it in an "acceptable" place ("acceptable" is determined by the
> rules for the feature).
>
>
> >
> >How can I persist three softwares across cold boots if the space on the
> >Flash File System is less and the Compact Flash card method does not work?
> >Can I somehow increase the memory for the Flash File System? Any ideas would
> >be much Appreciated.
>
> For my stuff, I put together a utility that copies files from CF/SD
> cards, and "runs" CAB files if appropriate. For most devices, I've
> used the "autorun" facility that is supported on Pocket PCs (for more
> info, use google to look up autorun in this newsgroups). For some
> specialized devices, I've had to adapt to specialized features. And
> for these, I've put a copy of my utility in persistent storage, but
> everything else on CF/SD cards.
>
> I considered putting all my backup stuff (utility, CAB files, data
> files, ...) in specialized persistent storage. But I'm concerned about
> running out of room. My utility is small. And any problems trying to
> fit it into persistent storage will be detected at installation. The
> other stuff is way smaller than any CF/SD card on sale now.
>
> >
> >Thanks in Advance,
> >KriS.
> >If at all the
>
> -----------------------------------------
> To reply to me, remove the underscores (_) from my email address (and please indicate which newsgroup and message).
>
> Robert E. Zaret, eMVP
> PenFact, Inc.
> 500 Harrison Ave., Suite 3R
> Boston, MA 02118
> www.penfact.com
>

Re: Symbol PDT 8100 Cold boot. by KriS

KriS
Thu Feb 17 15:53:03 CST 2005

Which language should the "autorun.exe" program be written? The reason for my
question is that for Symbol PDT 8100 .NET Compact Framework is not part of
the ROM image. Even eVB is not part of the ROM image from Symbol for Windows
Mobile 2003, so writing in eVB is also ruled out.

Any ideas would be much appreciated.

TIA,
KriS.

"KriS" wrote:

> "Not working" meaning the .CPY which is Symbol specific would not copy any
> files located on the storage card to the windows folder. The .CPY files are
> only meant to copy files located in the \Application and \Platform
> folder(specific to Symbol).
>
> I will look up the autorun program you were referring to, which would run
> the cab files from the CF card. This is exactly what I need. I will post my
> progress..
>
> Thanks a bunch,
> KriS.
>
> "r_z_aret@pen_fact.com" wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:09:06 -0800, "KriS"
> > <KriS@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> >
> > >Hi all,
> > >I am trying to persist .NET Compact Framework(a cab file), two other third
> > >party softwares on a Symbol PDT 8100/Windows Mobile 2003 across cold boots.
> > >My problem is that the Flash File System(\Application and \Platform folders)
> > >on the device is way less than what I need.
> > >
> > >I have added a compact flash card to the device. Copied all three cab
> > >files(.NET CF and two third party softwares) to the compact flash card. Wrote
> > >a .CPY file which would tell the Operating System to copy the CAB files from
> > >Compact Flash card to "\Windows\Startup". This is not working.
> >
> > Please expand "not working" a bit. Is the .CPY file not triggered? Or
> > is it triggered, but fails to copy the files? Or are the files copied,
> > but the CAB files don't start? (ugly grammar, but meaning should be
> > clear enough). I don't know what a .CPY file is. From this paragraph I
> > _think_ it is some sort of file that can specify copy operations to be
> > performed after a cold/warm reboot. I suspect it is a Symbol-specific
> > feature, although I've encountered similar features with other
> > vendors. If it is, check the syntax for the statements you put in it;
> > such files are prone to fussiness about case (upper/lower case
> > letters) and spaces. Also, make sure you give it an "acceptable" name
> > and put it in an "acceptable" place ("acceptable" is determined by the
> > rules for the feature).
> >
> >
> > >
> > >How can I persist three softwares across cold boots if the space on the
> > >Flash File System is less and the Compact Flash card method does not work?
> > >Can I somehow increase the memory for the Flash File System? Any ideas would
> > >be much Appreciated.
> >
> > For my stuff, I put together a utility that copies files from CF/SD
> > cards, and "runs" CAB files if appropriate. For most devices, I've
> > used the "autorun" facility that is supported on Pocket PCs (for more
> > info, use google to look up autorun in this newsgroups). For some
> > specialized devices, I've had to adapt to specialized features. And
> > for these, I've put a copy of my utility in persistent storage, but
> > everything else on CF/SD cards.
> >
> > I considered putting all my backup stuff (utility, CAB files, data
> > files, ...) in specialized persistent storage. But I'm concerned about
> > running out of room. My utility is small. And any problems trying to
> > fit it into persistent storage will be detected at installation. The
> > other stuff is way smaller than any CF/SD card on sale now.
> >
> > >
> > >Thanks in Advance,
> > >KriS.
> > >If at all the
> >
> > -----------------------------------------
> > To reply to me, remove the underscores (_) from my email address (and please indicate which newsgroup and message).
> >
> > Robert E. Zaret, eMVP
> > PenFact, Inc.
> > 500 Harrison Ave., Suite 3R
> > Boston, MA 02118
> > www.penfact.com
> >

Re: Symbol PDT 8100 Cold boot. by r_z_aret

r_z_aret
Fri Feb 18 13:33:40 CST 2005

On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:53:03 -0800, "KriS"
<KriS@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>Which language should the "autorun.exe" program be written? The reason for my
>question is that for Symbol PDT 8100 .NET Compact Framework is not part of
>the ROM image. Even eVB is not part of the ROM image from Symbol for Windows
>Mobile 2003, so writing in eVB is also ruled out.

I believe eVB run time is generally _not_ part of Windows Mobile 2003
images; Microsoft is killing it. I _think_ you can load a run time,
but that won't help you (can't load a run time with a program that
needs the run time:-(

I assume you can use any language that produces an executable with no
need for extra run-time component. If you stick with Microsoft, then
you're choices are C or C++ (via eVC). If you want to try another
possibility, then check:
http://www.pocketpcdn.com/tools/index.html
http://www.cewindows.net/developer/languages.htm

I use eVC, and haven't tried any of the others.


>
>Any ideas would be much appreciated.
>
>TIA,
>KriS.
>
>"KriS" wrote:
>
>> "Not working" meaning the .CPY which is Symbol specific would not copy any
>> files located on the storage card to the windows folder. The .CPY files are
>> only meant to copy files located in the \Application and \Platform
>> folder(specific to Symbol).
>>
>> I will look up the autorun program you were referring to, which would run
>> the cab files from the CF card. This is exactly what I need. I will post my
>> progress..
>>
>> Thanks a bunch,
>> KriS.
>>
>> "r_z_aret@pen_fact.com" wrote:
>>
>> > On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:09:06 -0800, "KriS"
>> > <KriS@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > >Hi all,
>> > >I am trying to persist .NET Compact Framework(a cab file), two other third
>> > >party softwares on a Symbol PDT 8100/Windows Mobile 2003 across cold boots.
>> > >My problem is that the Flash File System(\Application and \Platform folders)
>> > >on the device is way less than what I need.
>> > >
>> > >I have added a compact flash card to the device. Copied all three cab
>> > >files(.NET CF and two third party softwares) to the compact flash card. Wrote
>> > >a .CPY file which would tell the Operating System to copy the CAB files from
>> > >Compact Flash card to "\Windows\Startup". This is not working.
>> >
>> > Please expand "not working" a bit. Is the .CPY file not triggered? Or
>> > is it triggered, but fails to copy the files? Or are the files copied,
>> > but the CAB files don't start? (ugly grammar, but meaning should be
>> > clear enough). I don't know what a .CPY file is. From this paragraph I
>> > _think_ it is some sort of file that can specify copy operations to be
>> > performed after a cold/warm reboot. I suspect it is a Symbol-specific
>> > feature, although I've encountered similar features with other
>> > vendors. If it is, check the syntax for the statements you put in it;
>> > such files are prone to fussiness about case (upper/lower case
>> > letters) and spaces. Also, make sure you give it an "acceptable" name
>> > and put it in an "acceptable" place ("acceptable" is determined by the
>> > rules for the feature).
>> >
>> >
>> > >
>> > >How can I persist three softwares across cold boots if the space on the
>> > >Flash File System is less and the Compact Flash card method does not work?
>> > >Can I somehow increase the memory for the Flash File System? Any ideas would
>> > >be much Appreciated.
>> >
>> > For my stuff, I put together a utility that copies files from CF/SD
>> > cards, and "runs" CAB files if appropriate. For most devices, I've
>> > used the "autorun" facility that is supported on Pocket PCs (for more
>> > info, use google to look up autorun in this newsgroups). For some
>> > specialized devices, I've had to adapt to specialized features. And
>> > for these, I've put a copy of my utility in persistent storage, but
>> > everything else on CF/SD cards.
>> >
>> > I considered putting all my backup stuff (utility, CAB files, data
>> > files, ...) in specialized persistent storage. But I'm concerned about
>> > running out of room. My utility is small. And any problems trying to
>> > fit it into persistent storage will be detected at installation. The
>> > other stuff is way smaller than any CF/SD card on sale now.
>> >
>> > >
>> > >Thanks in Advance,
>> > >KriS.
>> > >If at all the
>> >
>> > -----------------------------------------
>> > To reply to me, remove the underscores (_) from my email address (and please indicate which newsgroup and message).
>> >
>> > Robert E. Zaret, eMVP
>> > PenFact, Inc.
>> > 500 Harrison Ave., Suite 3R
>> > Boston, MA 02118
>> > www.penfact.com
>> >

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500 Harrison Ave., Suite 3R
Boston, MA 02118
www.penfact.com

Re: Symbol PDT 8100 Cold boot. by David

David
Tue Mar 01 01:12:48 CST 2005

Kris,

Do you need this for just a single device or many? I've got some code
that I may be able to share for limited use (C++), but for large use,
check out http://Soft360.com. It will not only restore your device
files on cold boot, but also allow for full management of the devices.

Regards,
David

r_z_aret@pen_fact.com wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:53:03 -0800, "KriS"
> <KriS@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Which language should the "autorun.exe" program be written? The reason for my
>>question is that for Symbol PDT 8100 .NET Compact Framework is not part of
>>the ROM image. Even eVB is not part of the ROM image from Symbol for Windows
>>Mobile 2003, so writing in eVB is also ruled out.
>
>
> I believe eVB run time is generally _not_ part of Windows Mobile 2003
> images; Microsoft is killing it. I _think_ you can load a run time,
> but that won't help you (can't load a run time with a program that
> needs the run time:-(
>
> I assume you can use any language that produces an executable with no
> need for extra run-time component. If you stick with Microsoft, then
> you're choices are C or C++ (via eVC). If you want to try another
> possibility, then check:
> http://www.pocketpcdn.com/tools/index.html
> http://www.cewindows.net/developer/languages.htm
>
> I use eVC, and haven't tried any of the others.
>
>
>
>>Any ideas would be much appreciated.
>>
>>TIA,
>>KriS.
>>
>>"KriS" wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Not working" meaning the .CPY which is Symbol specific would not copy any
>>>files located on the storage card to the windows folder. The .CPY files are
>>>only meant to copy files located in the \Application and \Platform
>>>folder(specific to Symbol).
>>>
>>>I will look up the autorun program you were referring to, which would run
>>>the cab files from the CF card. This is exactly what I need. I will post my
>>>progress..
>>>
>>>Thanks a bunch,
>>>KriS.
>>>
>>>"r_z_aret@pen_fact.com" wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:09:06 -0800, "KriS"
>>>><KriS@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hi all,
>>>>>I am trying to persist .NET Compact Framework(a cab file), two other third
>>>>>party softwares on a Symbol PDT 8100/Windows Mobile 2003 across cold boots.
>>>>>My problem is that the Flash File System(\Application and \Platform folders)
>>>>>on the device is way less than what I need.
>>>>>
>>>>>I have added a compact flash card to the device. Copied all three cab
>>>>>files(.NET CF and two third party softwares) to the compact flash card. Wrote
>>>>>a .CPY file which would tell the Operating System to copy the CAB files from
>>>>>Compact Flash card to "\Windows\Startup". This is not working.
>>>>
>>>>Please expand "not working" a bit. Is the .CPY file not triggered? Or
>>>>is it triggered, but fails to copy the files? Or are the files copied,
>>>>but the CAB files don't start? (ugly grammar, but meaning should be
>>>>clear enough). I don't know what a .CPY file is. From this paragraph I
>>>>_think_ it is some sort of file that can specify copy operations to be
>>>>performed after a cold/warm reboot. I suspect it is a Symbol-specific
>>>>feature, although I've encountered similar features with other
>>>>vendors. If it is, check the syntax for the statements you put in it;
>>>>such files are prone to fussiness about case (upper/lower case
>>>>letters) and spaces. Also, make sure you give it an "acceptable" name
>>>>and put it in an "acceptable" place ("acceptable" is determined by the
>>>>rules for the feature).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>How can I persist three softwares across cold boots if the space on the
>>>>>Flash File System is less and the Compact Flash card method does not work?
>>>>>Can I somehow increase the memory for the Flash File System? Any ideas would
>>>>>be much Appreciated.
>>>>
>>>>For my stuff, I put together a utility that copies files from CF/SD
>>>>cards, and "runs" CAB files if appropriate. For most devices, I've
>>>>used the "autorun" facility that is supported on Pocket PCs (for more
>>>>info, use google to look up autorun in this newsgroups). For some
>>>>specialized devices, I've had to adapt to specialized features. And
>>>>for these, I've put a copy of my utility in persistent storage, but
>>>>everything else on CF/SD cards.
>>>>
>>>>I considered putting all my backup stuff (utility, CAB files, data
>>>>files, ...) in specialized persistent storage. But I'm concerned about
>>>>running out of room. My utility is small. And any problems trying to
>>>>fit it into persistent storage will be detected at installation. The
>>>>other stuff is way smaller than any CF/SD card on sale now.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Thanks in Advance,
>>>>>KriS.
>>>>>If at all the
>>>>
>>>>-----------------------------------------
>>>>To reply to me, remove the underscores (_) from my email address (and please indicate which newsgroup and message).
>>>>
>>>>Robert E. Zaret, eMVP
>>>>PenFact, Inc.
>>>>500 Harrison Ave., Suite 3R
>>>>Boston, MA 02118
>>>>www.penfact.com
>>>>
>
>
> -----------------------------------------
> To reply to me, remove the underscores (_) from my email address (and please indicate which newsgroup and message).
>
> Robert E. Zaret, eMVP
> PenFact, Inc.
> 500 Harrison Ave., Suite 3R
> Boston, MA 02118
> www.penfact.com