PPC02 Compatibility

I got a used Pocket PC 2002 celfon (Siemens SX56 / HTC Wallaby).

What are the issues in predicting if a DOS or Windows app will also
work on this machine? I'm hoping for PDF reader, emacs, matlab, old
DOS 3.0 apps, OpenOffice, PortableApps.

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Christopher
Sun Apr 27 23:36:04 CDT 2008

Hi,

<vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com> wrote in message
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> What are the issues in predicting if a DOS or Windows app will also
> work on this machine? I'm hoping for PDF reader, emacs, matlab, old
> DOS 3.0 apps, OpenOffice, PortableApps.

The answer is the probability of this working is next to zero. The
applications you mention are typically designed for X86 based desktop PCs
and won't work on a Windows Mobile based PDA.

In most cases someone will need to have produced a special version (a port)
of the application you desire to run in the Windows CE / Windows Mobile
environment. In some cases (matlab etc) you are probably out of luck,
however a couple of open source equivalent packages may have been ported at
some stage. Atleast one version of emacs is available at
http://www.rainer-keuchel.de/wince/emacs-wince.html for example.

Generally you can't take an application designed for your desktop PC and
have it work on a Pocket PC 2002 device. You need to find software specially
written for your PDA.

Hope this helps,
Christopher Fairbairn

Gary
Mon Apr 28 03:36:45 CDT 2008

An app is compiled to a specific platform and processor type. The pocket pc
has an incompatible processor with programs that are DOS or Windows
applications.
In other words they are binary incompatible. This is similar to a 64 bit
program being unable to run on a 32 bit operating system.
It is possible to emulate a processor so it will run on a pocket pc, but the
application would typically run too slowly for it to be usable, whereas the
opposite is done on the desktop to emulate devices. The emulators that run
on the desktop are provided by Microsoft with their Visual Studio Pro
products and are used to help develop pocket/mobile applications without
having to actually have a device.

<vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com> wrote in message
news:fv3fd0$6aj$1@reader2.panix.com...
> I got a used Pocket PC 2002 celfon (Siemens SX56 / HTC Wallaby).
>
> What are the issues in predicting if a DOS or Windows app will also
> work on this machine? I'm hoping for PDF reader, emacs, matlab, old
> DOS 3.0 apps, OpenOffice, PortableApps.
>
> - = -
> Vasos Panagiotopoulos, Columbia'81+, Reagan, Mozart, Pindus, BioStrategist
> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/vjp2/vasos.htm
> ---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}---
> [Homeland Security means private firearms not lazy obstructive guards]
> [Urb sprawl confounds terror] [Remorse begets zeal] [Windows is for
> Bimbos]

Werner
Mon Apr 28 07:46:28 CDT 2008

Well, you can still run MS-DOS apps under PocketDOS and, if you upgrade to
WM2003+, under various DosBox ports. See my MS-DOS Emulation Bible at
http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&p=1969&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1

Alternatively, if you have the bandwidth and a 24/7 server / desktop to log
into, you can use remote desktops to run apps - see my Remote Desktop
Control Bible at
http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&p=1571&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 .

--


--
Werner "Menneisyys" Ruotsalainen - Microsoft MVP - Windows - Mobile Devices
Please see the Pocket PC Mag Expert Blog (including mine) at
http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/ - you will definitely like it.


"Gary Mount" <gary_mount@telus.net> wrote in message
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> An app is compiled to a specific platform and processor type. The pocket
> pc has an incompatible processor with programs that are DOS or Windows
> applications.
> In other words they are binary incompatible. This is similar to a 64 bit
> program being unable to run on a 32 bit operating system.
> It is possible to emulate a processor so it will run on a pocket pc, but
> the application would typically run too slowly for it to be usable,
> whereas the opposite is done on the desktop to emulate devices. The
> emulators that run on the desktop are provided by Microsoft with their
> Visual Studio Pro products and are used to help develop pocket/mobile
> applications without having to actually have a device.
>
> <vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com> wrote in message
> news:fv3fd0$6aj$1@reader2.panix.com...
>> I got a used Pocket PC 2002 celfon (Siemens SX56 / HTC Wallaby).
>>
>> What are the issues in predicting if a DOS or Windows app will also
>> work on this machine? I'm hoping for PDF reader, emacs, matlab, old
>> DOS 3.0 apps, OpenOffice, PortableApps.
>>
>> - = -
>> Vasos Panagiotopoulos, Columbia'81+, Reagan, Mozart, Pindus,
>> BioStrategist
>> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/vjp2/vasos.htm
>> ---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}---
>> [Homeland Security means private firearms not lazy obstructive guards]
>> [Urb sprawl confounds terror] [Remorse begets zeal] [Windows is for
>> Bimbos]
>

vjp2
Thu May 15 01:12:08 CDT 2008

Ok, I was trying to put XP apps in the SD card (via USB) and run them
without going through activesync. Will any MS-DOS generic (no bit map)
apps run on pocket CMD (DOS)? I got ev41, adobe, freecell, backgammon
to work. Chess wants dot net. LME (MAtLab clone) says some component
is missing (I installed via cab). I also tried several MIDI programs
(GS, MI, PocketAMP) and they all fail. There is a program called
xdaunlock which asks for an unlock code. (Siemens SX56 XDA 1.2 was
T-mobile and I use ATT - it is really an HTC Wallaby). There are a lot
of redundant programs which came with the machine. I might prefer to
move them to the XP if I don't lose the ability to run them later. I'm
reluctant because this doesn't behave like regular windows.

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[Homeland Security means private firearms not lazy obstructive guards]
[Urb sprawl confounds terror] [Remorse begets zeal] [Windows is for Bimbos]

Todd
Thu May 15 14:16:35 CDT 2008

At 15 May 2008 06:12:08 +0000 vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
> Ok, I was trying to put XP apps in the SD card (via USB) and run them
> without going through activesync. Will any MS-DOS generic (no bit map)
> apps run on pocket CMD (DOS)?

I don't think so. Isn't Pocket CMD a command-line interface for WinCE
apps? It sounds like what you want is an emulator like PocketDOS
(www.pocketdos.com) to run MS-DOS apps.

vjp2
Sun May 25 02:41:47 CDT 2008

I just zapped everything I put on my PPC by pushing the wrong reset
button in the dark. Before I reinstall everything, is there a way I
can back it all up (including ActiveSync) to a CD I can carry with me?

I have a Siemens SX56 (HTC Wallaby) with Pocket PC 2002. I had gotten
PocketMIDI, FreeCell, ev41c, BackGammon, MView to work. I was having
trouble with qdCAS (which made me zaboot), and some other math (matlab
and Macsyma emulator) proggies. I had paid for an HP12C emulator but
never got the passcode so luckily I didn't install it.

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Vasos Panagiotopoulos, Columbia'81+, Reagan, Mozart, Pindus, BioStrategist
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/vjp2/vasos.htm
---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}---
[Homeland Security means private firearms not lazy obstructive guards]
[Urb sprawl confounds terror] [Remorse begets zeal] [Windows is for Bimbos]