eVB to C#

Hi all,

I've currently got a couple of apps written in eVB and I'm considering
chaging them over to C#. I'm looking at C# simply out of hobby/interest
sake. I'd really like to go all the way to VS.NET, but it is simply way to
far outside of my price range. I was also considering VB.NET but would like
to try C#. So my question is, is there anything about PPC development in C#
that I should know about? I'd be getting Visual C#.NET Standard,and writing
for PPC 2003. Does C# Standard contain everything needed out of the box?
I've had experience in both Java and C++ before and hence my interest in C#.
The apps in question are fairly simple data input and collation beasts.
Any advice is very welcome.

TIA,

Steve,

Maarten
Sun Jan 04 23:41:39 CST 2004

I'm glad that you ask this question, because Visual C# is not sufficient to
develop applications for PPC's. Only VS.NET 2003 contains smart device
programmability. See also this FAQ at OpenNETCF.org:
http://www.opennetcf.org/Forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=341

--
Regards,

Maarten Struys, eMVP
PTS Software bv

"Stephen Brooker" <stetar@dodo.com.au> wrote in message
news:btasr7$54ffm$1@ID-194372.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Hi all,
>
> I've currently got a couple of apps written in eVB and I'm considering
> chaging them over to C#. I'm looking at C# simply out of hobby/interest
> sake. I'd really like to go all the way to VS.NET, but it is simply way to
> far outside of my price range. I was also considering VB.NET but would
like
> to try C#. So my question is, is there anything about PPC development in
C#
> that I should know about? I'd be getting Visual C#.NET Standard,and
writing
> for PPC 2003. Does C# Standard contain everything needed out of the box?
> I've had experience in both Java and C++ before and hence my interest in
C#.
> The apps in question are fairly simple data input and collation beasts.
> Any advice is very welcome.
>
> TIA,
>
> Steve,
>
>

Stephen
Sun Jan 04 23:57:57 CST 2004

"Maarten Struys, eMVP" <maarten.struys@nospam.pts.nl> wrote in message
news:uH8Qv500DHA.4064@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> I'm glad that you ask this question, because Visual C# is not sufficient
to
> develop applications for PPC's. Only VS.NET 2003 contains smart device
> programmability. See also this FAQ at OpenNETCF.org:
> http://www.opennetcf.org/Forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=341
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Maarten Struys, eMVP
> PTS Software bv

Hmm, thanks for that. Guess I'll be sticking to eVB, at least for PPC
development.

S.

Maarten
Mon Jan 05 00:05:46 CST 2004

Be aware though that eVB is at its end of life. For PPC 2003 you can still
download and install an eVB runtime on the device but eventually the product
will be phased out.

--
Regards,

Maarten Struys, eMVP
PTS Software bv

"Stephen Brooker" <stetar@dodo.com.au> wrote in message
news:btaucr$50kgn$1@ID-194372.news.uni-berlin.de...
> "Maarten Struys, eMVP" <maarten.struys@nospam.pts.nl> wrote in message
> news:uH8Qv500DHA.4064@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > I'm glad that you ask this question, because Visual C# is not sufficient
> to
> > develop applications for PPC's. Only VS.NET 2003 contains smart device
> > programmability. See also this FAQ at OpenNETCF.org:
> > http://www.opennetcf.org/Forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=341
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> >
> > Maarten Struys, eMVP
> > PTS Software bv
>
> Hmm, thanks for that. Guess I'll be sticking to eVB, at least for PPC
> development.
>
> S.
>
>

Mike
Mon Jan 05 00:27:22 CST 2004

Crud... so you mean this box of VS.net 2002 sitting on my shelf - yet
to be opened/installed for fear of messing up my production apps - is
not going to work for developing PocketPC apps???

I already need to upgrade? Anyone know the upgrade price off hand?

-m


On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 06:41:39 +0100, "Maarten Struys, eMVP"
<maarten.struys@nospam.pts.nl> wrote:

>I'm glad that you ask this question, because Visual C# is not sufficient to
>develop applications for PPC's. Only VS.NET 2003 contains smart device
>programmability. See also this FAQ at OpenNETCF.org:
>http://www.opennetcf.org/Forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=341



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Pete
Mon Jan 05 01:20:30 CST 2004

Hi,
it USED to be $29, but this expired end Sept 2003. Prices are at
http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/howtobuy/default.aspx and would appear to
be $549 for the upgrade for the pro version

Pete


--
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Microsoft Windows Embedded MVP
HP Business Partner
http://www.gui-innovations.com

<Mike> wrote in message news:lr0ivv463bad9lvnpo80nivoqi52j9eer8@4ax.com...
> Crud... so you mean this box of VS.net 2002 sitting on my shelf - yet
> to be opened/installed for fear of messing up my production apps - is
> not going to work for developing PocketPC apps???
>
> I already need to upgrade? Anyone know the upgrade price off hand?
>
> -m
>
>
> On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 06:41:39 +0100, "Maarten Struys, eMVP"
> <maarten.struys@nospam.pts.nl> wrote:
>
> >I'm glad that you ask this question, because Visual C# is not sufficient
to
> >develop applications for PPC's. Only VS.NET 2003 contains smart device
> >programmability. See also this FAQ at OpenNETCF.org:
> >http://www.opennetcf.org/Forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=341
>
>
>
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x
Mon Jan 05 11:46:25 CST 2004

and what will be taking its place as the lead PPC
development language?


Seriously, we all need some answers as to what to devote
our time to. will evC be taking over, or will the PPC
just die out.


>-----Original Message-----
>Be aware though that eVB is at its end of life. For PPC
2003 you can still
>download and install an eVB runtime on the device but
eventually the product
>will be phased out.
>
>--
>Regards,
>
>Maarten Struys, eMVP
>PTS Software bv
>
>"Stephen Brooker" <stetar@dodo.com.au> wrote in message
>news:btaucr$50kgn$1@ID-194372.news.uni-berlin.de...
>> "Maarten Struys, eMVP" <maarten.struys@nospam.pts.nl>
wrote in message
>> news:uH8Qv500DHA.4064@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> > I'm glad that you ask this question, because Visual
C# is not sufficient
>> to
>> > develop applications for PPC's. Only VS.NET 2003
contains smart device
>> > programmability. See also this FAQ at OpenNETCF.org:
>> > http://www.opennetcf.org/Forums/topic.asp?
TOPIC_ID=341
>> >
>> > --
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Maarten Struys, eMVP
>> > PTS Software bv
>>
>> Hmm, thanks for that. Guess I'll be sticking to eVB,
at least for PPC
>> development.
>>
>> S.
>>
>>
>
>
>.
>

Mike
Mon Jan 05 15:37:06 CST 2004

Hmm, Thanks for the link, but OUCH. Dang, that hurts having a yet to
be opened copy of VB.NET 2002 Enterprise still sitting on my shelf.

So, just how bad is embedded Visual Tools, eVB, for development? I
just need to get an old DOS app replaced to emulate its current
functionality.

The DOS app collected data to a local handheld database, then upon
returning to the office it extracted the data to a text file and
uploaded it via zmodem to the host computer.

Doable in eVB?



On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 07:20:30 -0000, "Pete Vickers [eMVP]" <pete at gui
- innovations dot com> wrote:

>Hi,
>it USED to be $29, but this expired end Sept 2003. Prices are at
>http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/howtobuy/default.aspx and would appear to
>be $549 for the upgrade for the pro version
>
>Pete



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Mike
Mon Jan 05 15:41:30 CST 2004

I'm going to repost this as a new message - i think it may get lost
buried here ( and I don't want to take away from the original poster's
request ). -m

On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 13:37:06 -0800, Mike <> wrote:

>Hmm, Thanks for the link, but OUCH. Dang, that hurts having a yet to
>be opened copy of VB.NET 2002 Enterprise still sitting on my shelf.
>
>So, just how bad is embedded Visual Tools, eVB, for development? I
>just need to get an old DOS app replaced to emulate its current
>functionality.
>
>The DOS app collected data to a local handheld database, then upon
>returning to the office it extracted the data to a text file and
>uploaded it via zmodem to the host computer.
>
>Doable in eVB?
>
>
>
>On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 07:20:30 -0000, "Pete Vickers [eMVP]" <pete at gui
>- innovations dot com> wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>>it USED to be $29, but this expired end Sept 2003. Prices are at
>>http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/howtobuy/default.aspx and would appear to
>>be $549 for the upgrade for the pro version
>>
>>Pete
>
>
>
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Maarten
Mon Jan 05 17:28:45 CST 2004

eVC will stay and be available for native Win32 applications on PPC. On the
other side you will see managed applications, written in C# or VB.NET,
making use of the .NET Compact Framework. These FAQ's give you some more
background information:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/mobility/default.aspx?pull=/library/en-us/dnppcgen/html/devmobfaq.asp#devmobfaq_topic1.
To answer your last question, no, PPC will not just die out.

--
Regards,

Maarten Struys, eMVP
PTS Software bv

"x" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:097e01c3d3b3$d7324af0$a501280a@phx.gbl...
> and what will be taking its place as the lead PPC
> development language?
>
>
> Seriously, we all need some answers as to what to devote
> our time to. will evC be taking over, or will the PPC
> just die out.
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Be aware though that eVB is at its end of life. For PPC
> 2003 you can still
> >download and install an eVB runtime on the device but
> eventually the product
> >will be phased out.
> >
> >--
> >Regards,
> >
> >Maarten Struys, eMVP
> >PTS Software bv
> >
> >"Stephen Brooker" <stetar@dodo.com.au> wrote in message
> >news:btaucr$50kgn$1@ID-194372.news.uni-berlin.de...
> >> "Maarten Struys, eMVP" <maarten.struys@nospam.pts.nl>
> wrote in message
> >> news:uH8Qv500DHA.4064@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> >> > I'm glad that you ask this question, because Visual
> C# is not sufficient
> >> to
> >> > develop applications for PPC's. Only VS.NET 2003
> contains smart device
> >> > programmability. See also this FAQ at OpenNETCF.org:
> >> > http://www.opennetcf.org/Forums/topic.asp?
> TOPIC_ID=341
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Regards,
> >> >
> >> > Maarten Struys, eMVP
> >> > PTS Software bv
> >>
> >> Hmm, thanks for that. Guess I'll be sticking to eVB,
> at least for PPC
> >> development.
> >>
> >> S.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >.
> >

Brian
Tue Jan 06 01:46:29 CST 2004

Hi Mike,

I'm only a tinkerer for smart device programming in .NET, but it really is
fantastic. There's room for improvement but I love the fact that I work in
the same IDE, same language for ASPX web pages, smart device apps, console
apps, etc. I never did like the eVB IDE.

The upload part via zmodem _may_ be the only part that gives you trouble. A
big shortcoming of the compact framework (stuff obviously had to get cut,
but it's good to know what's cut before you dig in) is the use of a COM
interop. Working with native DLLs, the WinAPI, etc., can be tricky, but
without knowing more it may actually be quite easy. The rest should be a
snap.

Good luck,
Brian


<Mike> wrote in message news:8emjvvggo23l5g7ldja9q36fsrvqr7i0de@4ax.com...
> I'm going to repost this as a new message - i think it may get lost
> buried here ( and I don't want to take away from the original poster's
> request ). -m
>
> On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 13:37:06 -0800, Mike <> wrote:
>
> >Hmm, Thanks for the link, but OUCH. Dang, that hurts having a yet to
> >be opened copy of VB.NET 2002 Enterprise still sitting on my shelf.
> >
> >So, just how bad is embedded Visual Tools, eVB, for development? I
> >just need to get an old DOS app replaced to emulate its current
> >functionality.
> >
> >The DOS app collected data to a local handheld database, then upon
> >returning to the office it extracted the data to a text file and
> >uploaded it via zmodem to the host computer.
> >
> >Doable in eVB?
> >
> >
> >
> >On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 07:20:30 -0000, "Pete Vickers [eMVP]" <pete at gui
> >- innovations dot com> wrote:
> >
> >>Hi,
> >>it USED to be $29, but this expired end Sept 2003. Prices are at
> >>http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/howtobuy/default.aspx and would appear
to
> >>be $549 for the upgrade for the pro version
> >>
> >>Pete
> >
> >
> >
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