hello
I transferred stocks from one account into another
the problem is that the annualized return and return on all dates
is calculated from the date for transfer rather than purchase.
the cost basis/valuation figures are correct.
is there any fix or work around for this?

-thanks

Re: annualized return incorrect for transferred stocks by Cal

Cal
Sat May 10 17:49:07 CDT 2008

In microsoft.public.money, bill w <bill w@discussions.microsoft.com>
wrote:

>I transferred stocks from one account into another
>the problem is that the annualized return and return on all dates
>is calculated from the date for transfer rather than purchase.
>the cost basis/valuation figures are correct.
>is there any fix or work around for this?

Yes. If you moved everything, either File->Restore to a point before
your transfer, or delete the transfer transactions. Delete the NEW
account. Disable the old account for online transactions, change the
name and account info to that of the new account, and set up for
online.


Re: annualized return incorrect for transferred stocks by billw

billw
Sat May 10 18:27:00 CDT 2008

thanks for the reply
it's not an issue of old and new accounts
it's a transfer from stocks from one established account
to another established account

so deleting the new account is not an option


"Cal Learner-- MVP" wrote:

> In microsoft.public.money, bill w <bill w@discussions.microsoft.com>
> wrote:
>
> >I transferred stocks from one account into another
> >the problem is that the annualized return and return on all dates
> >is calculated from the date for transfer rather than purchase.
> >the cost basis/valuation figures are correct.
> >is there any fix or work around for this?
>
> Yes. If you moved everything, either File->Restore to a point before
> your transfer, or delete the transfer transactions. Delete the NEW
> account. Disable the old account for online transactions, change the
> name and account info to that of the new account, and set up for
> online.
>
>

Re: annualized return incorrect for transferred stocks by Cal

Cal
Sun May 11 00:25:53 CDT 2008

In microsoft.public.money, bill w wrote:

>thanks for the reply
>it's not an issue of old and new accounts
>it's a transfer from stocks from one established account
>to another established account
>
>so deleting the new account is not an option

Suppose you are moving everything from BrokerA to BrokerB. What I
was proposing was that you essentially rename the existing account
to be BrokerB. It will contain the original transactions, and
therefore the return calculations will not start over. That would
be the method I would use initially or if you Restore to such a
point.

If that is not practical, I would essentially make it as if you were
doing the same thing. You would have a BrokerB account that
contained all transactions. The fact that you actually changed
brokers could be noted in the comments for the account. So the
account you recently created in Money would not contain anything,
and it could be deleted.

So if you still think that is not an option, there is a different
option that I think you would like less well-- at least I would like
it less well.



>
>
>"Cal Learner-- MVP" wrote:
>
>> In microsoft.public.money, bill w <bill w@discussions.microsoft.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >I transferred stocks from one account into another
>> >the problem is that the annualized return and return on all dates
>> >is calculated from the date for transfer rather than purchase.
>> >the cost basis/valuation figures are correct.
>> >is there any fix or work around for this?
>>
>> Yes. If you moved everything, either File->Restore to a point before
>> your transfer, or delete the transfer transactions. Delete the NEW
>> account. Disable the old account for online transactions, change the
>> name and account info to that of the new account, and set up for
>> online.
>>
>>

Re: annualized return incorrect for transferred stocks by billw

billw
Mon May 12 13:05:02 CDT 2008

allow me to clarify
i have 2 different accounts
account A has a number of stocks in it
account B has a number of stocks in it
both have a history of cash dividends etc. dating prior to the transfer.

i am transferring stocks from account A to account B.
if i do the renaming etc that you have descrbed i will not be able to track
the stocks/cash that are already in account B.

does this make sense?

"Cal Learner-- MVP" wrote:

> In microsoft.public.money, bill w wrote:
>
> >thanks for the reply
> >it's not an issue of old and new accounts
> >it's a transfer from stocks from one established account
> >to another established account
> >
> >so deleting the new account is not an option
>
> Suppose you are moving everything from BrokerA to BrokerB. What I
> was proposing was that you essentially rename the existing account
> to be BrokerB. It will contain the original transactions, and
> therefore the return calculations will not start over. That would
> be the method I would use initially or if you Restore to such a
> point.
>
> If that is not practical, I would essentially make it as if you were
> doing the same thing. You would have a BrokerB account that
> contained all transactions. The fact that you actually changed
> brokers could be noted in the comments for the account. So the
> account you recently created in Money would not contain anything,
> and it could be deleted.
>
> So if you still think that is not an option, there is a different
> option that I think you would like less well-- at least I would like
> it less well.
>
>
>
> >
> >
> >"Cal Learner-- MVP" wrote:
> >
> >> In microsoft.public.money, bill w <bill w@discussions.microsoft.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >I transferred stocks from one account into another
> >> >the problem is that the annualized return and return on all dates
> >> >is calculated from the date for transfer rather than purchase.
> >> >the cost basis/valuation figures are correct.
> >> >is there any fix or work around for this?
> >>
> >> Yes. If you moved everything, either File->Restore to a point before
> >> your transfer, or delete the transfer transactions. Delete the NEW
> >> account. Disable the old account for online transactions, change the
> >> name and account info to that of the new account, and set up for
> >> online.
> >>
> >>
>

Re: annualized return incorrect for transferred stocks by Cal

Cal
Mon May 12 13:19:34 CDT 2008

In microsoft.public.money, bill w wrote:

>allow me to clarify
>i have 2 different accounts
>account A has a number of stocks in it
>account B has a number of stocks in it
>both have a history of cash dividends etc. dating prior to the transfer.
>
>i am transferring stocks from account A to account B.
>if i do the renaming etc that you have descrbed i will not be able to track
>the stocks/cash that are already in account B.
>
>does this make sense?

Yes. So you don't like having the performance calculations starting
over, so the regular transfer in Money doesn't appeal to you.

You could not just rename the account.

So you could Cut and Paste each original transactions from the old
account to the surviving.

You could export the old account (investment and cash account both)
to QIF and import both all at once as recovered account to the
surviving account and delete the old account.

You are limited to available choices.

>
>"Cal Learner-- MVP" wrote:
>
>> In microsoft.public.money, bill w wrote:
>>
>> >thanks for the reply
>> >it's not an issue of old and new accounts
>> >it's a transfer from stocks from one established account
>> >to another established account
>> >
>> >so deleting the new account is not an option
>>
>> Suppose you are moving everything from BrokerA to BrokerB. What I
>> was proposing was that you essentially rename the existing account
>> to be BrokerB. It will contain the original transactions, and
>> therefore the return calculations will not start over. That would
>> be the method I would use initially or if you Restore to such a
>> point.
>>
>> If that is not practical, I would essentially make it as if you were
>> doing the same thing. You would have a BrokerB account that
>> contained all transactions. The fact that you actually changed
>> brokers could be noted in the comments for the account. So the
>> account you recently created in Money would not contain anything,
>> and it could be deleted.
>>
>> So if you still think that is not an option, there is a different
>> option that I think you would like less well-- at least I would like
>> it less well.
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >"Cal Learner-- MVP" wrote:
>> >
>> >> In microsoft.public.money, bill w <bill w@discussions.microsoft.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >I transferred stocks from one account into another
>> >> >the problem is that the annualized return and return on all dates
>> >> >is calculated from the date for transfer rather than purchase.
>> >> >the cost basis/valuation figures are correct.
>> >> >is there any fix or work around for this?
>> >>
>> >> Yes. If you moved everything, either File->Restore to a point before
>> >> your transfer, or delete the transfer transactions. Delete the NEW
>> >> account. Disable the old account for online transactions, change the
>> >> name and account info to that of the new account, and set up for
>> >> online.
>> >>
>> >>
>>

Re: annualized return incorrect for transferred stocks by billw

billw
Tue May 13 13:03:01 CDT 2008

thanks cal

the cut and paste option seemed the most satisfactory
(i actually set up a bogus transfer immediately after the purchase date and
voided the transfer on the correct transfer date for tracking purposes)
this left all the cash and dividend transactions in place
while allowing tracking of long term returns

"Cal Learner-- MVP" wrote:

> In microsoft.public.money, bill w wrote:
>
> >allow me to clarify
> >i have 2 different accounts
> >account A has a number of stocks in it
> >account B has a number of stocks in it
> >both have a history of cash dividends etc. dating prior to the transfer.
> >
> >i am transferring stocks from account A to account B.
> >if i do the renaming etc that you have descrbed i will not be able to track
> >the stocks/cash that are already in account B.
> >
> >does this make sense?
>
> Yes. So you don't like having the performance calculations starting
> over, so the regular transfer in Money doesn't appeal to you.
>
> You could not just rename the account.
>
> So you could Cut and Paste each original transactions from the old
> account to the surviving.
>
> You could export the old account (investment and cash account both)
> to QIF and import both all at once as recovered account to the
> surviving account and delete the old account.
>
> You are limited to available choices.
>
> >
> >"Cal Learner-- MVP" wrote:
> >
> >> In microsoft.public.money, bill w wrote:
> >>
> >> >thanks for the reply
> >> >it's not an issue of old and new accounts
> >> >it's a transfer from stocks from one established account
> >> >to another established account
> >> >
> >> >so deleting the new account is not an option
> >>
> >> Suppose you are moving everything from BrokerA to BrokerB. What I
> >> was proposing was that you essentially rename the existing account
> >> to be BrokerB. It will contain the original transactions, and
> >> therefore the return calculations will not start over. That would
> >> be the method I would use initially or if you Restore to such a
> >> point.
> >>
> >> If that is not practical, I would essentially make it as if you were
> >> doing the same thing. You would have a BrokerB account that
> >> contained all transactions. The fact that you actually changed
> >> brokers could be noted in the comments for the account. So the
> >> account you recently created in Money would not contain anything,
> >> and it could be deleted.
> >>
> >> So if you still think that is not an option, there is a different
> >> option that I think you would like less well-- at least I would like
> >> it less well.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >"Cal Learner-- MVP" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> In microsoft.public.money, bill w <bill w@discussions.microsoft.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >I transferred stocks from one account into another
> >> >> >the problem is that the annualized return and return on all dates
> >> >> >is calculated from the date for transfer rather than purchase.
> >> >> >the cost basis/valuation figures are correct.
> >> >> >is there any fix or work around for this?
> >> >>
> >> >> Yes. If you moved everything, either File->Restore to a point before
> >> >> your transfer, or delete the transfer transactions. Delete the NEW
> >> >> account. Disable the old account for online transactions, change the
> >> >> name and account info to that of the new account, and set up for
> >> >> online.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
>

Re: annualized return incorrect for transferred stocks by Cal

Cal
Tue May 13 13:24:53 CDT 2008

In microsoft.public.money, bill w wrote:

>
>
>the cut and paste option seemed the most satisfactory
>(i actually set up a bogus transfer immediately after the purchase date and
>voided the transfer on the correct transfer date for tracking purposes)
>this left all the cash and dividend transactions in place
>while allowing tracking of long term returns

Since you left the dividends in place for the moved securities, it
is not going to contribute to the return analysis. That would matter
unless you are one of those who think dividends don't matter much.