Problem in Vista with Money 06, help please.

I've got money set up to backup money file automatically when I close the
program and it is set for keeping only 1 copy. In XP the way Money handled
that is although there was already a backup in the Documents folder, when it
saved, only the newest backup copy remained in the Documents folder.
However with Vista it is keeping the old copy as well as any future copies
it makes as I close the program. Does anyone know what is up with this?
And maybe how I can solve it?



Thank you for your time.

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Sat Mar 29 09:09:24 CDT 2008


"quickdraworiginal" <quickdraworiginal@att.net> wrote in message
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> I've got money set up to backup money file automatically when I close
> the program and it is set for keeping only 1 copy. In XP the way Money
> handled that is although there was already a backup in the Documents
> folder, when it saved, only the newest backup copy remained in the
> Documents folder. However with Vista it is keeping the old copy as well
> as any future copies it makes as I close the program. Does anyone know
> what is up with this? And maybe how I can solve it?

My experience shows that > M2004 < dir that . I had mine set for 5 and it
would flush the oldest. M2006 has always ( XP and Vista) made multiple
copies ( which I didn't/don't like either)
Others had asked same issue:
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.money/browse_thread/thread/2971b6ef12ed62c9/bd68d12fc4df6282?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=bobb+backup#bd68d12fc4df6282
including me / conversation with Cal about this:
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.money/browse_thread/thread/890f6c2bbbe7ba7e/a997b18483b5a9a8?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=Backups+2004+vs+2006+#a997b18483b5a9a8

quickdraworiginal
Sat Mar 29 09:50:53 CDT 2008

Hmmm, weird, because my experience has been M2006 has always followed my
instructions in regards to keeping only 1 copy and it always either
overwrote the existing copy that was there prior to the saving, or it just
deleted it and saved the current, I don't know for sure which. And this was
the way it was in XP, XP PRO, as well as earlier versions of Windows. All I
did before while using XP or earlier version, was after saving, I went to
the directory it was setup to save in, right clicked it and chose copy, went
to my system back up drive and put the copy in a specific directory set up
for my money back up file. Almost every day I use my debit card, or do
something to affect my total in my account, therefore I enter it into my
money file. Now, with Vista since it continues to save ALL copies, I have
to physically look at the properties of each file to find out which is the
most current (so I know which I just saved), otherwise I'm copying the wrong
file to my back up drive. What a PAIN!!!!

"- Bobb -" <bobb@noemail.123> wrote in message
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>
> "quickdraworiginal" <quickdraworiginal@att.net> wrote in message
> news:55810C8F-5E3B-41B1-8D77-B368D8FE9A88@microsoft.com...
>> I've got money set up to backup money file automatically when I close the
>> program and it is set for keeping only 1 copy. In XP the way Money
>> handled that is although there was already a backup in the Documents
>> folder, when it saved, only the newest backup copy remained in the
>> Documents folder. However with Vista it is keeping the old copy as well
>> as any future copies it makes as I close the program. Does anyone know
>> what is up with this? And maybe how I can solve it?
>
> My experience shows that > M2004 < dir that . I had mine set for 5 and it
> would flush the oldest. M2006 has always ( XP and Vista) made multiple
> copies ( which I didn't/don't like either)
> Others had asked same issue:
> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.money/browse_thread/thread/2971b6ef12ed62c9/bd68d12fc4df6282?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=bobb+backup#bd68d12fc4df6282
> including me / conversation with Cal about this:
> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.money/browse_thread/thread/890f6c2bbbe7ba7e/a997b18483b5a9a8?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=Backups+2004+vs+2006+#a997b18483b5a9a8
>
>

Cal
Sat Mar 29 10:52:37 CDT 2008

In microsoft.public.money, quickdraworiginal wrote:

>I've got money set up to backup money file automatically when I close the
>program and it is set for keeping only 1 copy. In XP the way Money handled
>that is although there was already a backup in the Documents folder, when it
>saved, only the newest backup copy remained in the Documents folder.
>However with Vista it is keeping the old copy as well as any future copies
>it makes as I close the program. Does anyone know what is up with this?
>And maybe how I can solve it?
>

In Tools->Settings->BackupSettings
I suggest you make the SaveIn field to be a place in your
"C:\Users\userName\Documents" folder and *not*
C:\Documents and Settings\userName\My Documents".

Browse to set the location.

Then delete all of the older *.mbf files that you don't want. Money
2006 will only delete one backup file as it creates the new one. You
can have Windows Explorer sort by date to help with that.

And finally, I would encourage you to keep more than one backup.
Disk space is cheap. If something were to go wrong and you were to
save a backup, you would overwrite your only good recent backup with
a problem. The Money 2006 backups incorporate a datestamp as part of
the filename.

quickdraworiginal
Sat Mar 29 11:37:21 CDT 2008

My goodness, I never thought of that. I was using the backup from the XP
machine which had C:\Documents and Settings\Username\My Documents as the
directory to save the file in and the way it looks to me, listing it that
way is not valid. All I did was change it like you suggested, and it is
fine now. I can't thank you enough.



Thank you for your time and your expertise.


"Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup@please.tnx> wrote in message
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> In microsoft.public.money, quickdraworiginal wrote:
>
>>I've got money set up to backup money file automatically when I close the
>>program and it is set for keeping only 1 copy. In XP the way Money
>>handled
>>that is although there was already a backup in the Documents folder, when
>>it
>>saved, only the newest backup copy remained in the Documents folder.
>>However with Vista it is keeping the old copy as well as any future copies
>>it makes as I close the program. Does anyone know what is up with this?
>>And maybe how I can solve it?
>>
>
> In Tools->Settings->BackupSettings
> I suggest you make the SaveIn field to be a place in your
> "C:\Users\userName\Documents" folder and *not*
> C:\Documents and Settings\userName\My Documents".
>
> Browse to set the location.
>
> Then delete all of the older *.mbf files that you don't want. Money
> 2006 will only delete one backup file as it creates the new one. You
> can have Windows Explorer sort by date to help with that.
>
> And finally, I would encourage you to keep more than one backup.
> Disk space is cheap. If something were to go wrong and you were to
> save a backup, you would overwrite your only good recent backup with
> a problem. The Money 2006 backups incorporate a datestamp as part of
> the filename.

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Sun Mar 30 20:56:40 CDT 2008

OK, I've read this twice...

Cal,
WHY did you tell him to change the directory ?
and QDO,
how did that " fix your problem" ?



"quickdraworiginal" <quickdraworiginal@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
message news:eZniusbkIHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> My goodness, I never thought of that. I was using the backup from the
> XP machine which had C:\Documents and Settings\Username\My Documents as
> the directory to save the file in and the way it looks to me, listing it
> that way is not valid. All I did was change it like you suggested, and
> it is fine now. I can't thank you enough.
>
>
>
> Thank you for your time and your expertise.
>
>
> "Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup@please.tnx> wrote in message
> news:oposu3t8p6frrfjhrvqndaleal6193bbn6@4ax.com...
>> In microsoft.public.money, quickdraworiginal wrote:
>>
>>>I've got money set up to backup money file automatically when I close
>>>the
>>>program and it is set for keeping only 1 copy. In XP the way Money
>>>handled that is although there was already a backup in the Documents
>>>folder, when it saved,
>>>only the newest backup copy remained in the Documents folder.
>>>However with Vista it is keeping the old copy as well as any future
>>>copies
>>>it makes as I close the program. Does anyone know what is up with
>>>this?
>>>And maybe how I can solve it?
>>>
>>
>> In Tools->Settings->BackupSettings
>> I suggest you make the SaveIn field to be a place in your
>> "C:\Users\userName\Documents" folder and *not*
>> C:\Documents and Settings\userName\My Documents".
>>
>> Browse to set the location.
>>
>> Then delete all of the older *.mbf files that you don't want. Money
>> 2006 will only delete one backup file as it creates the new one. You
>> can have Windows Explorer sort by date to help with that.
>>
>> And finally, I would encourage you to keep more than one backup.
>> Disk space is cheap. If something were to go wrong and you were to
>> save a backup, you would overwrite your only good recent backup with
>> a problem. The Money 2006 backups incorporate a datestamp as part of
>> the filename.
>

Cal
Mon Mar 31 01:01:58 CDT 2008

In microsoft.public.money, - Bobb - wrote:

>OK, I've read this twice...
>
>Cal,
>WHY did you tell him to change the directory ?

C:\Documents and Settings\userName\My Documents" probably does not
actually exist in a standard Vista installation anymore. Vista would
map that for some purposes to "C:\Users\userName\Documents" for
compatibility with previous Windows defaults. But the mapping is
apparently not totally complete, especially when windows want to see
which backups already exist and to delete the older backup being
replaced.

-
Tue Apr 01 07:48:11 CDT 2008


"Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup@please.tnx> wrote in message
news:9av0v3d5e4t7l5errhblc5ieao4i5jcr38@4ax.com...
> In microsoft.public.money, - Bobb - wrote:
>
>>OK, I've read this twice...
>>
>>Cal,
>>WHY did you tell him to change the directory ?
>
> C:\Documents and Settings\userName\My Documents" probably does not
> actually exist in a standard Vista installation anymore. Vista would
> map that for some purposes to "C:\Users\userName\Documents" for
> compatibility with previous Windows defaults. But the mapping is
> apparently not totally complete, especially when windows want to see
> which backups already exist and to delete the older backup being
> replaced.
>
>
Got it : and the "keeping one backup" option ...?
Did you say/ he confirmed that now M2006 overwrites the one file ? ( XP vs
Vista matter ?)
My reason for asking is that when I went from M2004 to M2006, I had (
still do) same issue as him with the multiple backup files and thought a
program "feature" I could not avoid. We had this discussion before :

http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.money/browse_thread/thread/890f6c2bbbe7ba7e/d0db8262ac087b2e?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=bobb+2006+backup#d0db8262ac087b2e

and I've just "learned to live with it".

When I went to M2006 (XP) , and ran a (manual or automatic - didn't
matter) backup, it did NOT overwrite the March2008.mbf, but it created an
additional March2008_todays_date.mbf file. If I put it in 'Auto' I have
one per day. ( "# to keep box" never worked for me in M2006), so I have it
prompt me at exit and I've done manual backups weekly. Disk space isn't a
problem - just the clutter of having 50+ files per year added to overhead.
( Or 200+ if on AUTO)

With M2004, I used to backup my Money.mny file to a "YEAR folder on D:\",
so I had the current file ( in C:\money) and on my D:\Backups Folder ( as
March2008 for example). M2004 used to "overwrite" the file on my D drive -
so I had one copy of D:\Backups Folder\2008\March2008.mbf. Every month I
would change the filename, so in that folder I would have:
D:\Backups Folder\2004\Jan2004.mbf.
D:\Backups Folder\2004\Feb2004.mbf
D:\Backups Folder\2004\March2004.mbf etc
not a different backup from every day - as I currently get if I put M2006
in auto.

So CAN I have it automatically OVERWRITE to leave
me with just one backup file as I exit:
D:\Backups Folder\2008\Month2008.mbf ?

As always, thanks for the help.
Bobb

quickdraworiginal
Tue Apr 01 12:02:46 CDT 2008

Yes - Bobb - .. Now, finally just the one backup overwrites when I save. It
was all because of the path being wrong from my backup file that I had when
I was running it on my XP machine. Boy that was becoming a BIG pain. Glad
Cal reminded me of the path.

"- Bobb -" <bobb@noemail.123> wrote in message
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>
> "Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup@please.tnx> wrote in message
> news:9av0v3d5e4t7l5errhblc5ieao4i5jcr38@4ax.com...
>> In microsoft.public.money, - Bobb - wrote:
>>
>>>OK, I've read this twice...
>>>
>>>Cal,
>>>WHY did you tell him to change the directory ?
>>
>> C:\Documents and Settings\userName\My Documents" probably does not
>> actually exist in a standard Vista installation anymore. Vista would
>> map that for some purposes to "C:\Users\userName\Documents" for
>> compatibility with previous Windows defaults. But the mapping is
>> apparently not totally complete, especially when windows want to see
>> which backups already exist and to delete the older backup being
>> replaced.
>>
>>
> Got it : and the "keeping one backup" option ...?
> Did you say/ he confirmed that now M2006 overwrites the one file ? ( XP vs
> Vista matter ?)
> My reason for asking is that when I went from M2004 to M2006, I had (
> still do) same issue as him with the multiple backup files and thought a
> program "feature" I could not avoid. We had this discussion before :
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.money/browse_thread/thread/890f6c2bbbe7ba7e/d0db8262ac087b2e?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=bobb+2006+backup#d0db8262ac087b2e
>
> and I've just "learned to live with it".
>
> When I went to M2006 (XP) , and ran a (manual or automatic - didn't
> matter) backup, it did NOT overwrite the March2008.mbf, but it created an
> additional March2008_todays_date.mbf file. If I put it in 'Auto' I have
> one per day. ( "# to keep box" never worked for me in M2006), so I have it
> prompt me at exit and I've done manual backups weekly. Disk space isn't a
> problem - just the clutter of having 50+ files per year added to overhead.
> ( Or 200+ if on AUTO)
>
> With M2004, I used to backup my Money.mny file to a "YEAR folder on D:\",
> so I had the current file ( in C:\money) and on my D:\Backups Folder ( as
> March2008 for example). M2004 used to "overwrite" the file on my D drive -
> so I had one copy of D:\Backups Folder\2008\March2008.mbf. Every month I
> would change the filename, so in that folder I would have:
> D:\Backups Folder\2004\Jan2004.mbf.
> D:\Backups Folder\2004\Feb2004.mbf
> D:\Backups Folder\2004\March2004.mbf etc
> not a different backup from every day - as I currently get if I put M2006
> in auto.
>
> So CAN I have it automatically OVERWRITE to leave
> me with just one backup file as I exit:
> D:\Backups Folder\2008\Month2008.mbf ?
>
> As always, thanks for the help.
> Bobb
>
>

Cal
Tue Apr 01 12:41:44 CDT 2008

In microsoft.public.money, - Bobb - wrote:

>
>So CAN I have it automatically OVERWRITE to leave
>me with just one backup file as I exit:
>D:\Backups Folder\2008\Month2008.mbf ?

No.