Money2006 slowly

I use 2 files with Microsoft Money (a) personal (b) for my firm.
File (a) works ok - fast.
File (b) from installing Money 2006 it's work very, very slowly.
- I must wait over 5 minuts from open to start work
- Entering in budget last next 5 minues...

I made repaires but nothing changed.

File (a) has 21MB, file (b) 19MB

Any suggestions?

Peter Maciejewski

Piotr
Wed Sep 07 12:01:41 CDT 2005

I thing that in Money Database there is missing one or more indexes. How can
I recreate them? (During repair it is possible to drop index by ISAM
engone - I know this from Microsoft Access program...)



U¿ytkownik "Piotr Maciejewski" <gbbsoft@qdnet.pl> napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci
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>I use 2 files with Microsoft Money (a) personal (b) for my firm.
> File (a) works ok - fast.
> File (b) from installing Money 2006 it's work very, very slowly.
> - I must wait over 5 minuts from open to start work
> - Entering in budget last next 5 minues...
>
> I made repaires but nothing changed.
>
> File (a) has 21MB, file (b) 19MB
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Peter Maciejewski
>

Piotr
Wed Sep 07 13:13:15 CDT 2005

And more...
Raport "Monthly income and expenses" stops on "Loading" and nothing.

HELP!


U¿ytkownik "Piotr Maciejewski" <gbbsoft@qdnet.pl> napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci
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>I use 2 files with Microsoft Money (a) personal (b) for my firm.
> File (a) works ok - fast.
> File (b) from installing Money 2006 it's work very, very slowly.
> - I must wait over 5 minuts from open to start work
> - Entering in budget last next 5 minues...
>
> I made repaires but nothing changed.
>
> File (a) has 21MB, file (b) 19MB
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Peter Maciejewski
>

via_newsgroup
Wed Sep 07 13:31:11 CDT 2005

In microsoft.public.money, Piotr Maciejewski wrote:

>I use 2 files with Microsoft Money (a) personal (b) for my firm.
>File (a) works ok - fast.
>File (b) from installing Money 2006 it's work very, very slowly.
>- I must wait over 5 minuts from open to start work
>- Entering in budget last next 5 minues...
>
>I made repaires but nothing changed.
>
>File (a) has 21MB, file (b) 19MB
>
>Any suggestions?

Change your start page with
Tools->Settings->ProgramSettings->(Display:)StartMoneyWithThisPageOpen:AccountList

The rest of these may be worth trying:

Remove the Investment Performance and other things you may not care
about from your Money Home page.
Tools->Settings->HomePageDisplaySettings

Disable automatic download of Quotes.

Consider removing the Passport from that file if you are not using
the features that require it.


Consider reducing scheduled transactions.

Consider removing accounts from the budget by right-clicking the
accounts in the account list, and going to account settings.

Piotr
Wed Sep 07 13:51:28 CDT 2005

Thanks for answer....

> Change your start page with
> Tools->Settings->ProgramSettings->(Display:)StartMoneyWithThisPageOpen:AccountList

I Have "Last account register used".

>
> The rest of these may be worth trying:
>
> Remove the Investment Performance and other things you may not care
> about from your Money Home page.
> Tools->Settings->HomePageDisplaySettings
>

I don't used stadnard Home Page, at all.

> Disable automatic download of Quotes.
>

I don't have any Quotes to download.

> Consider removing the Passport from that file if you are not using
> the features that require it.
>

I don't used Passport - just password

>
> Consider reducing scheduled transactions.
>

I have 17 entries. Can't delete noone.

> Consider removing accounts from the budget by right-clicking the
> accounts in the account list, and going to account settings.
>

I removed all account from budget some days ago.


BUT: When I click on "Budget" I wait...

BUT2: My report start working (that means: disappear - I create again) when
I repaire quit and repaire normal

Peter Maciejewski

johnbusc
Wed Sep 07 17:07:17 CDT 2005

Peter,

What is the size of your File (a)?

Here's what I would suggest for the other file - File (b).

Open it at some time that it would be convenient to leave the file open
for a long time (shouldn't be longer than an hour).

If you want, montior the Task File Manager in order to see the process
activity of msmoney.exe.

Once msmoney.exe subsides to low or zero activity, use your money file
in the normal (?) manner and let us know if things are different.

If your wait is more than an hour, and depending on your patience, let
us know how long (BEFORE you decide to close or end Money) that you are
able to perform any useful work in Money.

Your issue is important and we want to know your observations. Please
post back!

Regards,
JB

via_newsgroup
Thu Sep 08 13:11:00 CDT 2005

In microsoft.public.money, Piotr Maciejewski wrote:

>Thanks for answer....
>
>> Change your start page with
>> Tools->Settings->ProgramSettings->(Display:)StartMoneyWithThisPageOpen:AccountList
>
>I Have "Last account register used".
>
>>
>> The rest of these may be worth trying:
>>
>> Remove the Investment Performance and other things you may not care
>> about from your Money Home page.
>> Tools->Settings->HomePageDisplaySettings
>>
>
>I don't used stadnard Home Page, at all.
>
>> Disable automatic download of Quotes.
>>
>
>I don't have any Quotes to download.
>
>> Consider removing the Passport from that file if you are not using
>> the features that require it.
>>
>
>I don't used Passport - just password
>
>>
>> Consider reducing scheduled transactions.
>>
>
>I have 17 entries. Can't delete noone.
>
>> Consider removing accounts from the budget by right-clicking the
>> accounts in the account list, and going to account settings.
>>
>
>I removed all account from budget some days ago.
>
>
>BUT: When I click on "Budget" I wait...
>
>BUT2: My report start working (that means: disappear - I create again) when
>I repaire quit and repaire normal


That sounds like an interesting situation. If you would like
Microsoft to take a look at that problem file, I can ask somebody
from Microsoft to contact you directly. Your email address looks
valid.

Also, what version are you using? Business? You can do Help->About
to get the version number.

If somebody does contact you from Microsoft, you would want to
confirm that your reply to that email does go back to a
*.microsoft.com address. We don't want you to get spoofed.



>
>"If you would like Microsoft to take a look at that problem file, I can
>ask somebody from Microsoft to contact you directly. Please verify that
>the email address you used to post is correct, and which exact version
>of Money 2006. I'm assuming the Small Business version since you
>mentioned the problem is with your Business file."

Piotr
Fri Sep 09 01:54:11 CDT 2005


Uzytkownik "Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup@please.tnx> napisal w
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>
> That sounds like an interesting situation. If you would like
> Microsoft to take a look at that problem file, I can ask somebody
> from Microsoft to contact you directly. Your email address looks
> valid.
>

OK. I agree.

> Also, what version are you using? Business? You can do Help->About
> to get the version number.
>

Microsoft Money 2006 Delux
Version 15.0.120.513

Piotr
Fri Sep 09 06:12:39 CDT 2005


Uzytkownik <johnbusc@hotmail.com> napisal w wiadomosci
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> Peter,
>
> What is the size of your File (a)?

File (a) has 21MB, file (b) 19MB

>
> Here's what I would suggest for the other file - File (b).
>
> Open it at some time that it would be convenient to leave the file open
> for a long time (shouldn't be longer than an hour).
>
> If you want, montior the Task File Manager in order to see the process
> activity of msmoney.exe.
>
> Once msmoney.exe subsides to low or zero activity, use your money file
> in the normal (?) manner and let us know if things are different.
>
> If your wait is more than an hour, and depending on your patience, let
> us know how long (BEFORE you decide to close or end Money) that you are
> able to perform any useful work in Money.
>


I left open file (b) for... 4 hours. After it:
- all work well
- entering into budget - ok
- editing budget: moving from 1st step to 2nd: over half of minute.

After close and open again:
- I must wait 2-3 minute to see first form
- program does something in backgroud for next 3 minutes
- after it: entering in budget last over 1 minut - (is it normal?)

PS. Please: move Money from Jet to SQLServer :-)
PS2. I have 2xPentiumIII 450MHz.

johnbusc
Fri Sep 09 14:16:17 CDT 2005

Peter,

Thanks for the response. The reason I asked again about your file (a)
was I couldn't believe the larger file worked faster than the smaller.

Nevertheless, while PentiumIII 450MHz (is that 2x machines or 2x
processors?) is certainly on the very low end of recommended
requirements, what you're seeing with your file (b) is not unusual in
my experience. The only difference is that with me the larger the file
the longer it takes from Money start to perform certain functions
usefully. A 30Mb file of mine takes 6 minutes for startup background
activity to subside. A 15Mb file takes about 2 minutes.

I suppose I need to also check budget which I don't fool with much. It
appears this is a feature of importance to you and I can understand
your frustration.

I have an open case with Microsoft regarding this type of problem. It
has just moved from initial "cut and paste" responses to "escalation".
Their most recent response indicates an awareness of this issue so I've
got my fingers crossed for a future patch. I'll let you know if I
learn anything helpful. Hope you can get results from your own case
with them. Please let us know if they can shed any light on your
experience. Thanks.

Regards,
JB

Piotr
Fri Sep 09 16:13:30 CDT 2005


Uzytkownik <johnbusc@hotmail.com> napisal w wiadomosci
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> Peter,
>
> Thanks for the response. The reason I asked again about your file (a)
> was I couldn't believe the larger file worked faster than the smaller.
>
> Nevertheless, while PentiumIII 450MHz (is that 2x machines or 2x
> processors?) is certainly on the very low end of recommended
> requirements, what you're seeing with your file (b) is not unusual in
> my experience.

This is 2 processors PC with VERY fast disks + 0.5GB memory - it is OK for
all my work. I have second computer: Pentium IV 2.6GHz if we need it for
some testes.

> The only difference is that with me the larger the file
> the longer it takes from Money start to perform certain functions
> usefully. A 30Mb file of mine takes 6 minutes for startup background
> activity to subside. A 15Mb file takes about 2 minutes.

File (a) is my home file. File (b) is my firm file with 4 accounts only. But
there is a lot of data: from 2000 year...

>
> I suppose I need to also check budget which I don't fool with much. It
> appears this is a feature of importance to you and I can understand
> your frustration.

NO. This function isn't importance for me (I need a budget based on second
classification :-) ). But this is a good test for slow working. I try find a
place (table in database), which is connected with my problem, and budget is
my test-point (maybe I'm wrong, maybe not).

I can add than in Money 2005 (in file (b)) after creating new 'recurring
bill' I had to wait 1-2 minutes after program start responding... Now is
better, but start of Money 2006 is very long (maybe mothing was moved from
'just after creating recuring bill' to 'start of program' :-) ).

PS. I can add one more bug:
- From account form I create a 'recurring bill': I change splits. I accept
bill.
- When I enter in the same 'recurring bill' from 'bill summary': everything
is changed EXCEPT spits: they are old! (sum of splits is not equal to sum of
bill!)
- I must enter again in splits and corrent then
This bug is in... more than 3 version of Money 200x :-)

johnbusc
Fri Sep 09 16:44:15 CDT 2005

Piotr Maciejewski wrote:

> This is 2 processors PC with VERY fast disks + 0.5GB memory - it is OK for
> all my work.

Thanks for elaborating. Your platform certainly appears more than
adequate!

> File (a) is my home file. File (b) is my firm file with 4 accounts only. But
> there is a lot of data: from 2000 year...

I would assume both files have a lot of data based on the sizes. Is it
just the age of the data?

> I can add than in Money 2005 (in file (b)) after creating new 'recurring
> bill' I had to wait 1-2 minutes after program start responding... Now is
> better, but start of Money 2006 is very long (maybe mothing was moved from
> 'just after creating recuring bill' to 'start of program' :-) ).

This is my experience as well. It does seem that the long wait on
start does lead to quicker response later. Don't know if I'd consider
it an even trade-off though!

Regards,
JB

Dick
Fri Sep 09 18:17:35 CDT 2005

It could have 100 processors and the only thing that would matter to Money
is the 450 MHz. All indications are that Money is not threaded or designed
for any parallel processing in any way that will take advantage of more than
one CPU.

Given the quoted system requirements for M06, you'd like to think it would
run usably fast on a 450 MHz machine. I'm not sure that anyone with a
reasonably mature set of Money data who has tried a machine anywhere near
the quoted minimum--by anywhere near, I mean in the same clock order of
magnitude--has found it to be much of anything besides bordering on unusably
slow. Sad, but that's the way it is.

Why, with a 2.6 GHz P4, are you messing with M06 on a 450MHz PIII? You
probably won't think it zippy or responsive on the P4. On the 450 MHz PIII
(with 1, 10, or 100 CPUs)? Fuggeddaboutit.

"Piotr Maciejewski" <gbbsoft@qdnet.pl> wrote in message
news:ul5DRNYtFHA.1252@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> This is 2 processors PC with VERY fast disks + 0.5GB memory - it is OK for
> all my work. I have second computer: Pentium IV 2.6GHz if we need it for
> some testes.

Piotr
Sat Sep 10 14:50:48 CDT 2005

The problem is not than Money works slowly (I can wait :-) ). Problem is
that one file (b) works more slowly than other (a)!


U¿ytkownik "Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko@mind-enufalready-spring.com>
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> It could have 100 processors and the only thing that would matter to Money
> is the 450 MHz. All indications are that Money is not threaded or designed
> for any parallel processing in any way that will take advantage of more
> than one CPU.
>
> Given the quoted system requirements for M06, you'd like to think it would
> run usably fast on a 450 MHz machine. I'm not sure that anyone with a
> reasonably mature set of Money data who has tried a machine anywhere near
> the quoted minimum--by anywhere near, I mean in the same clock order of
> magnitude--has found it to be much of anything besides bordering on
> unusably slow. Sad, but that's the way it is.
>
> Why, with a 2.6 GHz P4, are you messing with M06 on a 450MHz PIII? You
> probably won't think it zippy or responsive on the P4. On the 450 MHz PIII
> (with 1, 10, or 100 CPUs)? Fuggeddaboutit.
>
> "Piotr Maciejewski" <gbbsoft@qdnet.pl> wrote in message
> news:ul5DRNYtFHA.1252@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> This is 2 processors PC with VERY fast disks + 0.5GB memory - it is OK
>> for all my work. I have second computer: Pentium IV 2.6GHz if we need it
>> for some testes.
>
>

Piotr
Sat Sep 10 15:01:40 CDT 2005


Uzytkownik <johnbusc@hotmail.com> napisal w wiadomosci
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> Piotr Maciejewski wrote:
>
>> File (a) is my home file. File (b) is my firm file with 4 accounts only.
>> But
>> there is a lot of data: from 2000 year...
>
> I would assume both files have a lot of data based on the sizes. Is it
> just the age of the data?
>

File (a) have data from 1998 to now; over 50 accounts (more than half
closed)

About file (b) - sorry I made a mistake: It have data from 1998 (not 2000)
to now; 8 accounts

Dick
Sat Sep 10 15:29:15 CDT 2005

Nobody outside of the product developers really knows what its choke points
are. Number of loan accounts and number of scheduled bills may be factors.
Number/nature of Advisor FYIs may be involved. There could be lots of other
things. "Corruption" of the file (Money self-mangling its own data files)
may be a factor. Who knows?

"Piotr Maciejewski" <gbbsoft@qdnet.pl> wrote in message
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> The problem is not than Money works slowly (I can wait :-) ). Problem is
> that one file (b) works more slowly than other (a)!

via_newsgroup
Thu Sep 15 10:53:27 CDT 2005

In microsoft.public.money, Piotr Maciejewski wrote:

>
>Uzytkownik "Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup@please.tnx> napisal w
>wiadomosci news:15q0i1trvsc77jqnsrh6jgrp81mo5s89sh@4ax.com...
>>
>> That sounds like an interesting situation. If you would like
>> Microsoft to take a look at that problem file, I can ask somebody
>> from Microsoft to contact you directly. Your email address looks
>> valid.
>>
>
>OK. I agree.


For your information, Piotr, the Microsoft person you been working
with has been replying to all of your emails. It may be that those
replies are being caught by your junk mail or some other email
filters.

So, if he cannot find those emails that explain how to access and
use the Workspace site replies, could you simply attach your
"sanitized" file in another reply to the email you did receive?

Piotr
Fri Sep 16 17:46:15 CDT 2005


Uzytkownik "Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup@please.tnx> napisal w
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> In microsoft.public.money, Piotr Maciejewski wrote:
>
>>
>>Uzytkownik "Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_newsgroup@please.tnx> napisal w
>>wiadomosci news:15q0i1trvsc77jqnsrh6jgrp81mo5s89sh@4ax.com...
>>>
>>> That sounds like an interesting situation. If you would like
>>> Microsoft to take a look at that problem file, I can ask somebody
>>> from Microsoft to contact you directly. Your email address looks
>>> valid.
>>>
>>
>>OK. I agree.
>
>
> For your information, Piotr, the Microsoft person you been working
> with has been replying to all of your emails. It may be that those
> replies are being caught by your junk mail or some other email
> filters.
>
> So, if he cannot find those emails that explain how to access and
> use the Workspace site replies, could you simply attach your
> "sanitized" file in another reply to the email you did receive?

Thanks for information... I will send him 2 other email...

Piotr
Sat Sep 17 07:01:28 CDT 2005

My file (b) in Microsoft hands...

johnbusc
Sat Sep 17 07:53:56 CDT 2005

Piotr,

My case with Microsoft support has apparently hit a dead end (they've
stopped responding to my emails). Therefore, please post back and let
us know what they make of your problem file. It may help others with
similar issues. Thanks.

Regards,
JB

Piotr Maciejewski wrote:
> My file (b) in Microsoft hands...

Chris
Sat Sep 17 12:06:48 CDT 2005

Piotr Maciejewski wrote:
> My file (b) in Microsoft hands...

Your data is in Microsoft hands? They've never offered to repair my data,
despite not being able to sync with MSN Money. I'm not certain I'd want to
leave it there, but I can't even if I wanted to, due to 'file corruption'.
Their final suggestion was export everything to QIF, then reimport. That
loses budget, scheduled payments, loans, etc. No big deal, of course.