Is it possible to designate a cd burner as the floppy back up drive?

Re: Money 2004 question by Dick

Dick
Sat Jul 19 14:42:26 CDT 2003

No. FAQ posted in latest thread titled "Money 2003" within the last five
minutes.

"Nightwing" <Nightwingdash13@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> Is it possible to designate a cd burner as the floppy back up drive?



of course it is posible. by navaku

navaku
Sat Jul 19 16:57:50 CDT 2003

if you use INCD (come with NERO) or
DIRECT CD (come with EASY CD CREATOR).
you have to format one cd for this burning.
from my expiriense it work without any problem .


>-----Original Message-----
>Is it possible to designate a cd burner as the floppy
back up drive?
>
>
>.
>

Re: of course it is posible. by A

A
Sat Jul 19 18:09:06 CDT 2003

In v 6.0 of Easy CD Creator, Direct CD is nowv called 'Draf to Disc' or a
similar name.
"navaku" <navaku@walla.co.il> wrote in message
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> if you use INCD (come with NERO) or
> DIRECT CD (come with EASY CD CREATOR).
> you have to format one cd for this burning.
> from my expiriense it work without any problem .
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Is it possible to designate a cd burner as the floppy
> back up drive?
> >
> >
> >.
> >



Re: of course it is posible. by Dick

Dick
Sat Jul 19 18:31:56 CDT 2003

Many users have found today's packet writing technology to unreliable to use
for backup purposes. YMMV.

"navaku" <navaku@walla.co.il> wrote in message
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> if you use INCD (come with NERO) or
> DIRECT CD (come with EASY CD CREATOR).
> you have to format one cd for this burning.
> from my expiriense it work without any problem .



Re: of course it is posible. by Arge

Arge
Sat Jul 19 20:11:06 CDT 2003

navaku

I would suggest that you do not put a lot of confidence in packet writing
softwares such as Direct CD, abCD, inCd and others as they WILL fail when
you need them most.

Only speaking from experiences.

Bob
"navaku" <navaku@walla.co.il> wrote in message
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> if you use INCD (come with NERO) or
> DIRECT CD (come with EASY CD CREATOR).
> you have to format one cd for this burning.
> from my expiriense it work without any problem .
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Is it possible to designate a cd burner as the floppy
> back up drive?
> >
> >
> >.
> >



Re: Money 2004 question by Glen

Glen
Sun Jul 20 08:05:09 CDT 2003

I know you've probably heard this before, but it's important enough to be
repeated. As far as backing up your important files and data, you should be
doing so on a regular basis. When it comes to data storage devices, it's
not a question of IF it's going to fail, it's a question of WHEN. As a PC
technician, the number one question I get is "How do I recover my data?"
when a drive fails. And the fact of the matter is that you can't do so
affordably, as data recovery services are usually very expensive.

So rather than trying to write the file directly to CD, maybe it would be
better to save it to your My Documents folder and back that folder (and any
other important data) up each week? I usually suggest once a week for the
average user since a weeks worth of data is not that difficult to replace
once the rest is restored, but I know many who back up two or more times per
week. With the CD-RW disks you should be able to do incremental backups,
and some CD burner software has this option that can be scheduled. Even if
done so manually, an incremental back up 2 - 7 days of documents and data is
usually very quick on newer burners.

This concludes Glen's Tech Tips for Sunday, July 20, 2003. :~)-

- Glen

"Nightwing" <Nightwingdash13@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> Is it possible to designate a cd burner as the floppy back up drive?
>
>
>



Re: Money 2004 question by via_newsgroup

via_newsgroup
Mon Jul 21 10:09:40 CDT 2003

In microsoft.public.money, Scott Thomson wrote:

>buy a USB memory disk and backup after everytime you exit money just like
>you had a floppy but alot more convenient. then backup again somewhere else
>each week to keep Glen happy

Be careful not to set Money to automatically backup on exit, see a
problem, and then exit-- thereby overwriting the pre-problem backup.

In Tools->Options->Backup I suggest checking
x Automatically backup to hard disk on exit
x Prompt me before backing up each time*
x Make my file small ...

* This has two advantages. You can change the file name
occasionally. I like to pick a name something like money020628. Then
it is easy to change the name to have multiple backups. The .mbf
extension is automatic. The other advantage is that you can choose
"Don't Back Up, or you change your mind about exiting by simply
clicking the X in the upper right of the pop-up box.

With that USB memory stick perhaps you could rotate among two or
three backup filenames.


Re: Money 2004 question by John

John
Fri Jul 25 23:00:05 CDT 2003

I have a DVD-RAM drive which Windows XP sees like a hard drive... there's no
special software being used ala DirectCD. So it's not clear to me why Money
can't backup directly to it as a removable media given that I can back to
hard drive and just drop a copy onto the DVD-RAM drive.

"Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> No. FAQ posted in latest thread titled "Money 2003" within the last five
> minutes.
>
> "Nightwing" <Nightwingdash13@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:eDVXOpiTDHA.212@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > Is it possible to designate a cd burner as the floppy back up drive?
>
>



Re: Money 2004 question by Arge

Arge
Sat Jul 26 20:39:46 CDT 2003

John

A CD is NOT a floppy............can't fool MSMoney

Seriously, if you want to back up the a CD-RW, you have to look under hard
drive. If you have packet writing software such as InCD, ABcd, direct CD or
even XP's built in function. Be warned though that Packet writing is not
really the way to backup anything that you do not want to lose.

Bob
"John G. Ata" <John@TheAtas.org-spamguard> wrote in message
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> I have a DVD-RAM drive which Windows XP sees like a hard drive... there's
no
> special software being used ala DirectCD. So it's not clear to me why
Money
> can't backup directly to it as a removable media given that I can back to
> hard drive and just drop a copy onto the DVD-RAM drive.
>
> "Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:e6C0a3iTDHA.2824@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > No. FAQ posted in latest thread titled "Money 2003" within the last five
> > minutes.
> >
> > "Nightwing" <Nightwingdash13@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> > news:eDVXOpiTDHA.212@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > > Is it possible to designate a cd burner as the floppy back up drive?
> >
> >
>
>



Re: Money 2004 question by John

John
Sat Jul 26 21:30:51 CDT 2003

True, a CD is not a floppy. But why should a program care? ... that's a
device driver function supplied by the OS. Money should see the DVD-RAM
drive as the XP Operating System API presents it - as a standard hard
drive - so nothing special needs to be done by the application. Therefore,
it's not clear why Money can't group DVD-RAM drives with other "Removable
Media" - that's exactly what it is.

I've found DVD-RAM (not to be confused with other DVD technologies) to be
exceptionally stable and not prone to errors whatsoever. Indeed, the media
is ideal for backups - that's what is was designed for. With extensive
error correction and the ability to rewrite 100,000 times, you really can't
beat it, IMHO. In my experience, the only problems I've experienced backing
up to my DVD-RAM device is when I've introduced programs such as DirectCD in
the equation... it has a tendancy of conflicting with the correct operation
of my device at the most inopportune time, to put it mildly. To be fair,
however, I haven't used the latest version, nor do I intend to.

--John


"Arge" <bigbc37(nospam)@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> John
>
> A CD is NOT a floppy............can't fool MSMoney
>
> Seriously, if you want to back up the a CD-RW, you have to look under hard
> drive. If you have packet writing software such as InCD, ABcd, direct CD
or
> even XP's built in function. Be warned though that Packet writing is not
> really the way to backup anything that you do not want to lose.
>
> Bob
> "John G. Ata" <John@TheAtas.org-spamguard> wrote in message
> news:#6ar0pyUDHA.584@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > I have a DVD-RAM drive which Windows XP sees like a hard drive...
there's
> no
> > special software being used ala DirectCD. So it's not clear to me why
> Money
> > can't backup directly to it as a removable media given that I can back
to
> > hard drive and just drop a copy onto the DVD-RAM drive.
> >
> > "Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> > news:e6C0a3iTDHA.2824@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > No. FAQ posted in latest thread titled "Money 2003" within the last
five
> > > minutes.
> > >
> > > "Nightwing" <Nightwingdash13@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> > > news:eDVXOpiTDHA.212@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > > > Is it possible to designate a cd burner as the floppy back up drive?
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>



Re: Money 2004 question by Dick

Dick
Sun Jul 27 07:14:04 CDT 2003

That's exactly the point. Money will deal with devices that the operating
system manages. It doesn't ship a CD burning engine of its own. Thankfully.

I do not believe that XP natively presents a standard random read-write
device via device driver to applications for a DVD-RAM. There may be 3rd
party drivers that do this. The native packet writing technology, Mt.
Rainier, for XP's follow-on O/S ("Longhorn"???) will do this Real Soon Now.
(Actually, I may stand corrected--see
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;283588; is yours a
supported device? Does it run the right kind of file system--UDFS, not CDFS?
If so, I'd expect to find it in the Money options for hard disk backup
location.)

If you go into, say, Notepad, and do a File|Save, can you save directly on
the DVD-RAM? (I don't mean to a hard disk cache waiting to be written, which
Money on XP will do on "hard disk" backup for a writable CD.)

"John G. Ata" <John@TheAtas.org-spamguard> wrote in message
news:%23hm3bc%23UDHA.2508@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> True, a CD is not a floppy. But why should a program care? ... that's a
> device driver function supplied by the OS. Money should see the DVD-RAM
> drive as the XP Operating System API presents it - as a standard hard
> drive - so nothing special needs to be done by the application.
Therefore,
> it's not clear why Money can't group DVD-RAM drives with other "Removable
> Media" - that's exactly what it is.
>
> I've found DVD-RAM (not to be confused with other DVD technologies) to be
> exceptionally stable and not prone to errors whatsoever. Indeed, the
media
> is ideal for backups - that's what is was designed for. With extensive
> error correction and the ability to rewrite 100,000 times, you really
can't
> beat it, IMHO. In my experience, the only problems I've experienced
backing
> up to my DVD-RAM device is when I've introduced programs such as DirectCD
in
> the equation... it has a tendancy of conflicting with the correct
operation
> of my device at the most inopportune time, to put it mildly. To be fair,
> however, I haven't used the latest version, nor do I intend to.



Re: Money 2004 question by John

John
Sun Jul 27 12:27:55 CDT 2003

Hi Dick,

Yes, as the Knowledge Base article states, Microsoft supports DVD-RAM in
Windows XP. Yes, I can go into any application including Notepad and save
directly onto a DVD-RAM device. Windows sees it as a FAT32 file system
(over UDFS). Of course, if I put in a DVD-RAM media that was formatted as a
CDFS type (it's possible by having 3rd party software perform the
formatting), it is seen as read-only. But when formatted using the standard
Windows applets, it works fine. So it doesn't make any sense to me why it
isn't considered "removable media" when backing up Money files... that's
exactly what it is. You see, I have no problem saving directly from Money
if I put in the pathname in the hardrive portion of "Backup..." that
utilizes the DVD-RAM - that works fine. I was just curious why it wasn't
considered "removable media" along with floppies and zips - it would have
been more convenient.

Take care,
John.

"Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> That's exactly the point. Money will deal with devices that the operating
> system manages. It doesn't ship a CD burning engine of its own.
Thankfully.
>
> I do not believe that XP natively presents a standard random read-write
> device via device driver to applications for a DVD-RAM. There may be 3rd
> party drivers that do this. The native packet writing technology, Mt.
> Rainier, for XP's follow-on O/S ("Longhorn"???) will do this Real Soon
Now.
> (Actually, I may stand corrected--see
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;283588; is yours a
> supported device? Does it run the right kind of file system--UDFS, not
CDFS?
> If so, I'd expect to find it in the Money options for hard disk backup
> location.)
>
> If you go into, say, Notepad, and do a File|Save, can you save directly on
> the DVD-RAM? (I don't mean to a hard disk cache waiting to be written,
which
> Money on XP will do on "hard disk" backup for a writable CD.)
>
> "John G. Ata" <John@TheAtas.org-spamguard> wrote in message
> news:%23hm3bc%23UDHA.2508@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > True, a CD is not a floppy. But why should a program care? ... that's
a
> > device driver function supplied by the OS. Money should see the DVD-RAM
> > drive as the XP Operating System API presents it - as a standard hard
> > drive - so nothing special needs to be done by the application.
> Therefore,
> > it's not clear why Money can't group DVD-RAM drives with other
"Removable
> > Media" - that's exactly what it is.
> >
> > I've found DVD-RAM (not to be confused with other DVD technologies) to
be
> > exceptionally stable and not prone to errors whatsoever. Indeed, the
> media
> > is ideal for backups - that's what is was designed for. With extensive
> > error correction and the ability to rewrite 100,000 times, you really
> can't
> > beat it, IMHO. In my experience, the only problems I've experienced
> backing
> > up to my DVD-RAM device is when I've introduced programs such as
DirectCD
> in
> > the equation... it has a tendancy of conflicting with the correct
> operation
> > of my device at the most inopportune time, to put it mildly. To be
fair,
> > however, I haven't used the latest version, nor do I intend to.
>
>



Re: Money 2004 question by Arge

Arge
Sun Jul 27 13:10:41 CDT 2003

Because it is not a floppy or a zip

Bottom line is it won't do it so rationalizing it to death won't change a
thing

Bob
"John G. Ata" <John@TheAtas.org-spamguard> wrote in message
news:uVyuuRGVDHA.3232@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Hi Dick,
>
> Yes, as the Knowledge Base article states, Microsoft supports DVD-RAM in
> Windows XP. Yes, I can go into any application including Notepad and save
> directly onto a DVD-RAM device. Windows sees it as a FAT32 file system
> (over UDFS). Of course, if I put in a DVD-RAM media that was formatted as
a
> CDFS type (it's possible by having 3rd party software perform the
> formatting), it is seen as read-only. But when formatted using the
standard
> Windows applets, it works fine. So it doesn't make any sense to me why it
> isn't considered "removable media" when backing up Money files... that's
> exactly what it is. You see, I have no problem saving directly from Money
> if I put in the pathname in the hardrive portion of "Backup..." that
> utilizes the DVD-RAM - that works fine. I was just curious why it wasn't
> considered "removable media" along with floppies and zips - it would have
> been more convenient.
>
> Take care,
> John.
>
> "Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:%23OC2OiDVDHA.2044@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > That's exactly the point. Money will deal with devices that the
operating
> > system manages. It doesn't ship a CD burning engine of its own.
> Thankfully.
> >
> > I do not believe that XP natively presents a standard random read-write
> > device via device driver to applications for a DVD-RAM. There may be 3rd
> > party drivers that do this. The native packet writing technology, Mt.
> > Rainier, for XP's follow-on O/S ("Longhorn"???) will do this Real Soon
> Now.
> > (Actually, I may stand corrected--see
> > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;283588; is yours
a
> > supported device? Does it run the right kind of file system--UDFS, not
> CDFS?
> > If so, I'd expect to find it in the Money options for hard disk backup
> > location.)
> >
> > If you go into, say, Notepad, and do a File|Save, can you save directly
on
> > the DVD-RAM? (I don't mean to a hard disk cache waiting to be written,
> which
> > Money on XP will do on "hard disk" backup for a writable CD.)
> >
> > "John G. Ata" <John@TheAtas.org-spamguard> wrote in message
> > news:%23hm3bc%23UDHA.2508@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > > True, a CD is not a floppy. But why should a program care? ...
that's
> a
> > > device driver function supplied by the OS. Money should see the
DVD-RAM
> > > drive as the XP Operating System API presents it - as a standard hard
> > > drive - so nothing special needs to be done by the application.
> > Therefore,
> > > it's not clear why Money can't group DVD-RAM drives with other
> "Removable
> > > Media" - that's exactly what it is.
> > >
> > > I've found DVD-RAM (not to be confused with other DVD technologies) to
> be
> > > exceptionally stable and not prone to errors whatsoever. Indeed, the
> > media
> > > is ideal for backups - that's what is was designed for. With
extensive
> > > error correction and the ability to rewrite 100,000 times, you really
> > can't
> > > beat it, IMHO. In my experience, the only problems I've experienced
> > backing
> > > up to my DVD-RAM device is when I've introduced programs such as
> DirectCD
> > in
> > > the equation... it has a tendancy of conflicting with the correct
> > operation
> > > of my device at the most inopportune time, to put it mildly. To be
> fair,
> > > however, I haven't used the latest version, nor do I intend to.
> >
> >
>
>



Re: Money 2004 question by John

John
Sun Jul 27 21:37:46 CDT 2003

Hi Dick,

You write:

>> but I'm betting it isn't Money per se but something the OS is telling
Money.

Perhaps... anyways that would be in my suggestion that they recognize
DVD-RAM devices as removable media. It's not a big point, but if it's
technically easy I think they should do it. Now if only I could get the
word to them! :-)

BTW, IMHO Money 2004 seems more performant in some areas than 2003... that's
the right direction at least! Being a survivor of other releases :-), I'm
also actually pleased with the fact that the interface was not changed in a
disruptive manner and I could still do what I need to do.

--John

"Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> Typo warning: CD should be CF
>
> "Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:uEp0gCIVDHA.1832@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > Interesting.
> >
> > Money on my desktop machine sees the floppy, the MO, the Jaz, and the CD
> > card all as removable.
> >
> > I don't know what's causing the DVD-RAM not to show, but I'm betting it
> > isn't Money per se but something the OS is telling Money.
>
>