Money 2006 SLOW

Money 2006 just creeps. Money 2005 creeped. Money 2004 creeped. I've
used Money since 1998 and have had every annual version. I will not
archive (though I have tried). Repair does nothing. Like a previous
group user Billy (whose strings in 2005 seems to have gone noplace) I
believe a financial program should be able to hold multiple years of
data. What good is trending if I have no data lol?

Anyway - sometime after 2000 Microsoft went to a new database look and
feel behind Money I believe. Since then - it's just gotten
progressively slower. Excessive CPU, Excessive RAM. I have broken
down reasons and durations a million times - but it boils down to just
poor programming. I'm a geek and have new equipment. Throwing
hardware at this is not going to fix the root causes I'm afraid.

Now one could argue that the Money versions only slowed for those of us
adding transactions, history and size to our data files. This would
answer why people new to the app don't understand our frustration? My
file is about 25mb. Very large compared to the sample file Microsoft
support always has me test with. I have like 30 bills set to go out
monthly - epay.

I don't use the portfolio piece - although I did turn off updates. I
don't use budget (and wish I could subtract it totally) - I have always
made extensive use of bill pay. and I have my matching setup to work
great - but like another use - when I start to do something like
download or send transactions - I might as well take a coffee break -
it's gonna be a matter of minutes before my screen changes.

Overall I think I've tried everything. Tech support is useless - I've
thought of going to Quicken. The file conversion pain may be the only
solution - or do I wait for 2007 to fix the world (when Microsoft)
doesn't even acknowledge folks like me have a problem?

Hopeless and reaching for straws,
Pat, Columbus OH.

Dick
Tue Jul 04 11:13:36 CDT 2006

I only saw one non-rhetorical question here.

I wouldn't bet that M07 will be substantially different than M06/5 in this
or other regards. Mind you I haven't seen M07 yet--but I have seen 13
versions of the trends at work here.

"Pat" <pat@nwmtn.com> wrote in message
news:1152026642.222331.188170@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> or do I wait for 2007 to fix the world (when Microsoft)
> doesn't even acknowledge folks like me have a problem?

Kyle
Tue Jul 04 16:18:01 CDT 2006



"Pat" wrote:

> Money 2006 just creeps. Money 2005 creeped. Money 2004 creeped. I've
> used Money since 1998 and have had every annual version. I will not
> archive (though I have tried). Repair does nothing. Like a previous
> group user Billy (whose strings in 2005 seems to have gone noplace) I
> believe a financial program should be able to hold multiple years of
> data. What good is trending if I have no data lol?
>
> Anyway - sometime after 2000 Microsoft went to a new database look and
> feel behind Money I believe. Since then - it's just gotten
> progressively slower. Excessive CPU, Excessive RAM. I have broken
> down reasons and durations a million times - but it boils down to just
> poor programming. I'm a geek and have new equipment. Throwing
> hardware at this is not going to fix the root causes I'm afraid.
>
> Now one could argue that the Money versions only slowed for those of us
> adding transactions, history and size to our data files. This would
> answer why people new to the app don't understand our frustration? My
> file is about 25mb. Very large compared to the sample file Microsoft
> support always has me test with. I have like 30 bills set to go out
> monthly - epay.
>
> I don't use the portfolio piece - although I did turn off updates. I
> don't use budget (and wish I could subtract it totally) - I have always
> made extensive use of bill pay. and I have my matching setup to work
> great - but like another use - when I start to do something like
> download or send transactions - I might as well take a coffee break -
> it's gonna be a matter of minutes before my screen changes.
>
> Overall I think I've tried everything. Tech support is useless - I've
> thought of going to Quicken. The file conversion pain may be the only
> solution - or do I wait for 2007 to fix the world (when Microsoft)
> doesn't even acknowledge folks like me have a problem?
>
> Hopeless and reaching for straws,
> Pat, Columbus OH.
>
>

goldwein
Tue Jul 04 16:51:36 CDT 2006

I have been using Money for the same time as you have and I have been a beta
tester for Money. The comments we have all made about slow response and
various bugs have all been reported to Microsoft. In most cases the
response always seem to be that we will fix that in the next version. Of
course when the next version comes out for test - no fix but will be fixed
in the NEXT version.

I would switch to Quicken if it wasn't so difficult to get the database
accurate. My file size is 46 meg.

Neil


"Pat" <pat@nwmtn.com> wrote in message
news:1152026642.222331.188170@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> Money 2006 just creeps. Money 2005 creeped. Money 2004 creeped. I've
> used Money since 1998 and have had every annual version. I will not
> archive (though I have tried). Repair does nothing. Like a previous
> group user Billy (whose strings in 2005 seems to have gone noplace) I
> believe a financial program should be able to hold multiple years of
> data. What good is trending if I have no data lol?
>
> Anyway - sometime after 2000 Microsoft went to a new database look and
> feel behind Money I believe. Since then - it's just gotten
> progressively slower. Excessive CPU, Excessive RAM. I have broken
> down reasons and durations a million times - but it boils down to just
> poor programming. I'm a geek and have new equipment. Throwing
> hardware at this is not going to fix the root causes I'm afraid.
>
> Now one could argue that the Money versions only slowed for those of us
> adding transactions, history and size to our data files. This would
> answer why people new to the app don't understand our frustration? My
> file is about 25mb. Very large compared to the sample file Microsoft
> support always has me test with. I have like 30 bills set to go out
> monthly - epay.
>
> I don't use the portfolio piece - although I did turn off updates. I
> don't use budget (and wish I could subtract it totally) - I have always
> made extensive use of bill pay. and I have my matching setup to work
> great - but like another use - when I start to do something like
> download or send transactions - I might as well take a coffee break -
> it's gonna be a matter of minutes before my screen changes.
>
> Overall I think I've tried everything. Tech support is useless - I've
> thought of going to Quicken. The file conversion pain may be the only
> solution - or do I wait for 2007 to fix the world (when Microsoft)
> doesn't even acknowledge folks like me have a problem?
>
> Hopeless and reaching for straws,
> Pat, Columbus OH.
>

Jill
Thu Jul 06 07:10:57 CDT 2006

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> Money 2006 just creeps. Money 2005 creeped. Money 2004 creeped. I've
> used Money since 1998 and have had every annual version. I will not
> archive (though I have tried). Repair does nothing. Like a previous
> group user Billy (whose strings in 2005 seems to have gone noplace) I
> believe a financial program should be able to hold multiple years of
> data. What good is trending if I have no data lol?
>
> Anyway - sometime after 2000 Microsoft went to a new database look and
> feel behind Money I believe. Since then - it's just gotten
> progressively slower. Excessive CPU, Excessive RAM. I have broken

I run 2003 on an xp machine with everything off. It's still slow, but
turning everything off helps performance a little!

R
Thu Jul 06 08:24:51 CDT 2006


"Pat" <pat@nwmtn.com> wrote in message
news:1152026642.222331.188170@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> Money 2006 just creeps. Money 2005 creeped. Money 2004 creeped. I've
> used Money since 1998 and have had every annual version. I will not
> archive (though I have tried). Repair does nothing. Like a previous
> group user Billy (whose strings in 2005 seems to have gone noplace) I
> believe a financial program should be able to hold multiple years of
> data. What good is trending if I have no data lol?
>
snip
>
> Overall I think I've tried everything. Tech support is useless - I've
> thought of going to Quicken. The file conversion pain may be the only
> solution - or do I wait for 2007 to fix the world (when Microsoft)
> doesn't even acknowledge folks like me have a problem?
>
> Hopeless and reaching for straws,
> Pat, Columbus OH.
>


I use Money 2002 with a 32mb data file going back to 1980 and it is fast.
And I use budgeting, cash flow, portfolio, and bills and deposits
extensively.

I don't know if later versions of Money are slower and don't intend to find
out.

You did not mention creating a new, clean data file. A year or so ago I
exported all of my data, then imported it back into a new Money file to get
rid of ghosts, gremlins and other glitches in my old file. This made the
file smaller and faster.

Quicken will not help you. The hassle of converting your money file to
Quicken, if it even works at all, would be enough to stop me.

MSFT tech support will not help you because they don't know how to use Money
and therefore don't understand its problems. Plus they don't understand
fundamental accounting principals.

Money 2007 will not help you either because MSFT has no incentive to fix
problems or bugs because they now have you trapped with automatic disabling
of downloading. Since there is no competition and since your downloads
will stop in 2 years you must upgrade whether you want to or not.

One solution is to stop buying Money upgrades and make it clear to MSFT that
they need to make Money work correctly and not try to trap users in
perpetual useless upgrades.

Another solution is to upgrade to Money 2002. It works beautifully and it
is fast and MSFT cannot disable downloads.

Regards

Bill Wood
Fountain Hills, AZ

Simon
Mon Jan 01 15:08:01 CST 2007

I like those who posted berore me have also been using Money but since 1997.
From there I upgraded to 2003 and two years ago to 2005. I am by profession
in the computer business and I am appalled at the engineering of the
software. Every change or transaction takes minutes. Heaven forbid you should
make a mistake cause then you have to waste more time waiting for the
correction to register.

My file is only 18mb. I have also tried everything except for archiving as I
also want the history in one file for comparison. I also contemplated moving
to Quicken, but I use Ultrasoft Money on my Palm handheld and synchronize
almost daily, so the switch is not an option really.

With all the advances in programming, is it too much to ask to improve the
speed. I know that I couldn't live without the software. It has helped me
streamline my finances for years.

Microsoft.... do something please.

"William R Wood" wrote:

>
> "Pat" <pat@nwmtn.com> wrote in message
> news:1152026642.222331.188170@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> > Money 2006 just creeps. Money 2005 creeped. Money 2004 creeped. I've
> > used Money since 1998 and have had every annual version. I will not
> > archive (though I have tried). Repair does nothing. Like a previous
> > group user Billy (whose strings in 2005 seems to have gone noplace) I
> > believe a financial program should be able to hold multiple years of
> > data. What good is trending if I have no data lol?
> >
> snip
> >
> > Overall I think I've tried everything. Tech support is useless - I've
> > thought of going to Quicken. The file conversion pain may be the only
> > solution - or do I wait for 2007 to fix the world (when Microsoft)
> > doesn't even acknowledge folks like me have a problem?
> >
> > Hopeless and reaching for straws,
> > Pat, Columbus OH.
> >
>
>
> I use Money 2002 with a 32mb data file going back to 1980 and it is fast.
> And I use budgeting, cash flow, portfolio, and bills and deposits
> extensively.
>
> I don't know if later versions of Money are slower and don't intend to find
> out.
>
> You did not mention creating a new, clean data file. A year or so ago I
> exported all of my data, then imported it back into a new Money file to get
> rid of ghosts, gremlins and other glitches in my old file. This made the
> file smaller and faster.
>
> Quicken will not help you. The hassle of converting your money file to
> Quicken, if it even works at all, would be enough to stop me.
>
> MSFT tech support will not help you because they don't know how to use Money
> and therefore don't understand its problems. Plus they don't understand
> fundamental accounting principals.
>
> Money 2007 will not help you either because MSFT has no incentive to fix
> problems or bugs because they now have you trapped with automatic disabling
> of downloading. Since there is no competition and since your downloads
> will stop in 2 years you must upgrade whether you want to or not.
>
> One solution is to stop buying Money upgrades and make it clear to MSFT that
> they need to make Money work correctly and not try to trap users in
> perpetual useless upgrades.
>
> Another solution is to upgrade to Money 2002. It works beautifully and it
> is fast and MSFT cannot disable downloads.
>
> Regards
>
> Bill Wood
> Fountain Hills, AZ
>
>
>

Dick
Mon Jan 01 16:33:46 CST 2007

If you are posting here hoping for Microsoft to do something, anything, good
luck.

I know this recommendation may go against the grain, but I was also
suffering from pathetic performance in M05-6. M07 adds a new "feature" that,
apparently, can clean up after Money in your file better than they were able
to make the program do without user intervention. It's street name is Nuke
The Bills. I find M07's performance and stability greatly improved after
going through the pain. You might want to try it with a test installation of
the M07 trial version and a copy of your data file. If it improves your
situation WRT performance, you will know almost immediately. Then you can
decide if the upgrade to M07 and the time spent doing it one more time-and
then putting the pieces back together--is worth it. See
http://umpmfaq.info/faqdb.php?q=187 for more info.

"Simon" <Simon@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:9EF953DC-C47C-435E-87A3-77DDFF183CD9@microsoft.com...
> I like those who posted berore me have also been using Money but since
> 1997.
> From there I upgraded to 2003 and two years ago to 2005. I am by
> profession
> in the computer business and I am appalled at the engineering of the
> software. Every change or transaction takes minutes. Heaven forbid you
> should
> make a mistake cause then you have to waste more time waiting for the
> correction to register.
>
> My file is only 18mb. I have also tried everything except for archiving as
> I
> also want the history in one file for comparison. I also contemplated
> moving
> to Quicken, but I use Ultrasoft Money on my Palm handheld and synchronize
> almost daily, so the switch is not an option really.
>
> With all the advances in programming, is it too much to ask to improve the
> speed. I know that I couldn't live without the software. It has helped me
> streamline my finances for years.
>
> Microsoft.... do something please.

steven
Thu Jan 04 04:16:27 CST 2007

Hi,

I also experience serious performance problems (Money 2006 Deluxe on XP
SP2). What I did notice is that it has to do with the recurring/planned
bills.
In an archive file, I removed all my recurring and planned bills.
Everything I did from then on did react immediatelly. Apparently Money
uses the bills continuously for checking I don't know what.

But what use is Money without those recurring bills...

Kind regards,
Steven


Dick Watson schreef:

> If you are posting here hoping for Microsoft to do something, anything, good
> luck.
>
> I know this recommendation may go against the grain, but I was also
> suffering from pathetic performance in M05-6. M07 adds a new "feature" that,
> apparently, can clean up after Money in your file better than they were able
> to make the program do without user intervention. It's street name is Nuke
> The Bills. I find M07's performance and stability greatly improved after
> going through the pain. You might want to try it with a test installation of
> the M07 trial version and a copy of your data file. If it improves your
> situation WRT performance, you will know almost immediately. Then you can
> decide if the upgrade to M07 and the time spent doing it one more time-and
> then putting the pieces back together--is worth it. See
> http://umpmfaq.info/faqdb.php?q=187 for more info.
>
> "Simon" <Simon@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:9EF953DC-C47C-435E-87A3-77DDFF183CD9@microsoft.com...
> > I like those who posted berore me have also been using Money but since
> > 1997.
> > From there I upgraded to 2003 and two years ago to 2005. I am by
> > profession
> > in the computer business and I am appalled at the engineering of the
> > software. Every change or transaction takes minutes. Heaven forbid you
> > should
> > make a mistake cause then you have to waste more time waiting for the
> > correction to register.
> >
> > My file is only 18mb. I have also tried everything except for archiving as
> > I
> > also want the history in one file for comparison. I also contemplated
> > moving
> > to Quicken, but I use Ultrasoft Money on my Palm handheld and synchronize
> > almost daily, so the switch is not an option really.
> >
> > With all the advances in programming, is it too much to ask to improve the
> > speed. I know that I couldn't live without the software. It has helped me
> > streamline my finances for years.
> >
> > Microsoft.... do something please.

Dick
Thu Jan 04 07:13:35 CST 2007

Results of others in M07 indicate that just deleting what you can see and
delete is not as effective as the Nuke The Bills repair utility at restoring
performance. You can put them back after doing this and performance remains
higher. Nobody can say yet that it will not deteriorate again with the
passage of time or population of the bill calendar.

<steven.deneir@advalvas.be> wrote in message
news:1167905787.810952.154820@s34g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> I also experience serious performance problems (Money 2006 Deluxe on XP
> SP2). What I did notice is that it has to do with the recurring/planned
> bills.
> In an archive file, I removed all my recurring and planned bills.
> Everything I did from then on did react immediatelly. Apparently Money
> uses the bills continuously for checking I don't know what.
>
> But what use is Money without those recurring bills...

neveroutoftune
Mon Jan 29 20:57:49 CST 2007

I, too, am experiencing slowness with Money 2006. I have a 2Ghz
machine with 2Gb memory. My file is ~25Mb. I use Budgeting, Bills,
Portfoilio with 33 investments, 34 accounts in my account list. I
have archived everything prior to 1/1/2005, thus only 2 years of data.

I watch the CPU peg for many seconds during a simple account
transaction. Entering Bills or matching download items to actuals can
take 10 to 30 seconds. This is very excruciating. I dream of the
days of "Manage You Money" (DOS version circa 1998).

Dick
Tue Jan 30 07:18:32 CST 2007

This may sound counterintuitive, but your second best medicine may be an
upgrade to M07 because the first best medicine may be a new feature in M07.
See http://umpmfaq.info/faqdb.php?q=187.

<neveroutoftune@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1170125869.826552.188920@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> I, too, am experiencing slowness with Money 2006. I have a 2Ghz
> machine with 2Gb memory. My file is ~25Mb. I use Budgeting, Bills,
> Portfoilio with 33 investments, 34 accounts in my account list. I
> have archived everything prior to 1/1/2005, thus only 2 years of data.
>
> I watch the CPU peg for many seconds during a simple account
> transaction. Entering Bills or matching download items to actuals can
> take 10 to 30 seconds. This is very excruciating. I dream of the
> days of "Manage You Money" (DOS version circa 1998).
>

Simon
Tue Jan 30 14:01:00 CST 2007

The only problem is, is that I need the UK version. Why didn't MS release a
UK/International version after 2005?

Simon

"Dick Watson" wrote:

> This may sound counterintuitive, but your second best medicine may be an
> upgrade to M07 because the first best medicine may be a new feature in M07.
> See http://umpmfaq.info/faqdb.php?q=187.
>
> <neveroutoftune@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1170125869.826552.188920@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> > I, too, am experiencing slowness with Money 2006. I have a 2Ghz
> > machine with 2Gb memory. My file is ~25Mb. I use Budgeting, Bills,
> > Portfoilio with 33 investments, 34 accounts in my account list. I
> > have archived everything prior to 1/1/2005, thus only 2 years of data.
> >
> > I watch the CPU peg for many seconds during a simple account
> > transaction. Entering Bills or matching download items to actuals can
> > take 10 to 30 seconds. This is very excruciating. I dream of the
> > days of "Manage You Money" (DOS version circa 1998).
> >
>
>
>

Michael
Tue Jan 30 15:00:21 CST 2007

MYMDOS had a lot of virtues, but I think you're a decade off. BTW, Andy is
still using it........

--
Michael Gordon


<neveroutoftune@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1170125869.826552.188920@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> I, too, am experiencing slowness with Money 2006. I have a 2Ghz
> machine with 2Gb memory. My file is ~25Mb. I use Budgeting, Bills,
> Portfoilio with 33 investments, 34 accounts in my account list. I
> have archived everything prior to 1/1/2005, thus only 2 years of data.
>
> I watch the CPU peg for many seconds during a simple account
> transaction. Entering Bills or matching download items to actuals can
> take 10 to 30 seconds. This is very excruciating. I dream of the
> days of "Manage You Money" (DOS version circa 1998).
>

Dick
Tue Jan 30 18:16:00 CST 2007

That is a problem. Maybe someday MS will issue a version for the UK with
Nuke The Bills.

"Simon" <Simon@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:366D5262-B93D-46FA-BFD7-977DC8153616@microsoft.com...
> The only problem is, is that I need the UK version. Why didn't MS release
> a
> UK/International version after 2005?

Bob
Tue Jan 30 16:55:28 CST 2007

Because not enough people bought copies of M2005 UK to allow them to cover
the costs of "translating" Money to UK requirements (let alone make a
profit!)

--
Regards
Bob Peel,
Microsoft MVP - Money

For UK tips & fixes see
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;EN-GB;mny.


I do not respond to any emails that I have not specifically asked for.

"Simon" <Simon@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> The only problem is, is that I need the UK version. Why didn't MS release
> a
> UK/International version after 2005?
>
> Simon
>
> "Dick Watson" wrote:
>
>> This may sound counterintuitive, but your second best medicine may be an
>> upgrade to M07 because the first best medicine may be a new feature in
>> M07.
>> See http://umpmfaq.info/faqdb.php?q=187.
>>
>> <neveroutoftune@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1170125869.826552.188920@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
>> > I, too, am experiencing slowness with Money 2006. I have a 2Ghz
>> > machine with 2Gb memory. My file is ~25Mb. I use Budgeting, Bills,
>> > Portfoilio with 33 investments, 34 accounts in my account list. I
>> > have archived everything prior to 1/1/2005, thus only 2 years of data.
>> >
>> > I watch the CPU peg for many seconds during a simple account
>> > transaction. Entering Bills or matching download items to actuals can
>> > take 10 to 30 seconds. This is very excruciating. I dream of the
>> > days of "Manage You Money" (DOS version circa 1998).
>> >
>>
>>
>>