MSN 8.0 telling me to exit VS 2005 when I uninstall??

M$ have finally lost it -- WTF are they thinking?

I come to uninstall MSN 8.0 because it was consuming 100% of my CPU time at
what would appear to be random situations, but since it is a daily problem
(I'm not alone as you'll see 1000's of complaints about CPU usage problems
and MSN 8.0). During the Uninstall process it tells me I have to shutdown
my VS 2005 Professional!!!! Say WHAT!!!!! WTF are M$ doing with MSN that
requires me to shutdown VS 2005 so that they can UNINSTALL????

Are they spying on my development work? What possible reason do they have
to force me to shutdown my development tool so that MSN can uninstall
itself? This is completely UNACCEPTABLE!! MSN 8.0 is doing A LOT more than
just providing chat and it appears to be communicating with many other
servers on a regular basis without my knowledge (lucky I have port scanners
on my system to see the illegal activity MSN 8.0 performs, there is NOTHING
in the EULA that suggest they are doing this).

M$ are asking for some serious legal action against them.

After I shutdown VS 2005 so that I can try to uninstall MSN 8.0, it dumps
out an error "Microsoft Document Explorer" dexplore.exe .... I am SO OVER
M$ crap, their software/updates of late have been incredibly buggy and
extremely invasive.

You've been warned, MSN 8.0 is spyware and bad spyware at that.

Rob

Jonathan
Thu Jul 06 17:08:40 CDT 2006

Greetings Rob,

There are some scenarios where MSN Messenger 7.x and above consume 100% CPU on demand but
closing all current running conversation windows should fix it (till the next time).

They're not spying on you -- beginning in Windows Messenger 5.x, they have attempted to
identify currently running applications that might cause you to reboot if you continue
uninstalling (or installing) the software. It's been seen in some other Microsoft products,
including Windows Live Messenger. Just hit Ignore, it's usually wrong.

--
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Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger/MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
All posts unless otherwise specified are (c) 2006 Jonathan Kay.
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"Rob R. Ainscough" <robains@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:OooE9tToGHA.1592@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> M$ have finally lost it -- WTF are they thinking?
>
> I come to uninstall MSN 8.0 because it was consuming 100% of my CPU time at what would
> appear to be random situations, but since it is a daily problem (I'm not alone as you'll
> see 1000's of complaints about CPU usage problems and MSN 8.0). During the Uninstall
> process it tells me I have to shutdown my VS 2005 Professional!!!! Say WHAT!!!!! WTF are
> M$ doing with MSN that requires me to shutdown VS 2005 so that they can UNINSTALL????
>
> Are they spying on my development work? What possible reason do they have to force me to
> shutdown my development tool so that MSN can uninstall itself? This is completely
> UNACCEPTABLE!! MSN 8.0 is doing A LOT more than just providing chat and it appears to be
> communicating with many other servers on a regular basis without my knowledge (lucky I have
> port scanners on my system to see the illegal activity MSN 8.0 performs, there is NOTHING
> in the EULA that suggest they are doing this).
>
> M$ are asking for some serious legal action against them.
>
> After I shutdown VS 2005 so that I can try to uninstall MSN 8.0, it dumps out an error
> "Microsoft Document Explorer" dexplore.exe .... I am SO OVER M$ crap, their
> software/updates of late have been incredibly buggy and extremely invasive.
>
> You've been warned, MSN 8.0 is spyware and bad spyware at that.
>
> Rob
>

Ned
Thu Jul 06 20:20:02 CDT 2006

Johnathon Kay Are you Mr Microsoft? You seem to have all the answers. I
just wanted to tell you that your ctrl t does not open a new tab in 7.0

"Jonathan Kay [MVP]" wrote:

> Greetings Rob,
>
> There are some scenarios where MSN Messenger 7.x and above consume 100% CPU on demand but
> closing all current running conversation windows should fix it (till the next time).
>
> They're not spying on you -- beginning in Windows Messenger 5.x, they have attempted to
> identify currently running applications that might cause you to reboot if you continue
> uninstalling (or installing) the software. It's been seen in some other Microsoft products,
> including Windows Live Messenger. Just hit Ignore, it's usually wrong.
>
> --
> Jonathan Kay
> Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger/MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger
> Associate Expert
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> All posts unless otherwise specified are (c) 2006 Jonathan Kay.
> You *must* contact me for redistribution rights.
> --
>
>
> "Rob R. Ainscough" <robains@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:OooE9tToGHA.1592@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> > M$ have finally lost it -- WTF are they thinking?
> >
> > I come to uninstall MSN 8.0 because it was consuming 100% of my CPU time at what would
> > appear to be random situations, but since it is a daily problem (I'm not alone as you'll
> > see 1000's of complaints about CPU usage problems and MSN 8.0). During the Uninstall
> > process it tells me I have to shutdown my VS 2005 Professional!!!! Say WHAT!!!!! WTF are
> > M$ doing with MSN that requires me to shutdown VS 2005 so that they can UNINSTALL????
> >
> > Are they spying on my development work? What possible reason do they have to force me to
> > shutdown my development tool so that MSN can uninstall itself? This is completely
> > UNACCEPTABLE!! MSN 8.0 is doing A LOT more than just providing chat and it appears to be
> > communicating with many other servers on a regular basis without my knowledge (lucky I have
> > port scanners on my system to see the illegal activity MSN 8.0 performs, there is NOTHING
> > in the EULA that suggest they are doing this).
> >
> > M$ are asking for some serious legal action against them.
> >
> > After I shutdown VS 2005 so that I can try to uninstall MSN 8.0, it dumps out an error
> > "Microsoft Document Explorer" dexplore.exe .... I am SO OVER M$ crap, their
> > software/updates of late have been incredibly buggy and extremely invasive.
> >
> > You've been warned, MSN 8.0 is spyware and bad spyware at that.
> >
> > Rob
> >
>
>
>

Ned
Thu Jul 06 21:15:02 CDT 2006

Sorry Johnathon as I was wrong. ctrl t does work. It didn't but it does now
-=shrugs=- Apology

"Ned" wrote:

> Johnathon Kay Are you Mr Microsoft? You seem to have all the answers. I
> just wanted to tell you that your ctrl t does not open a new tab in 7.0
>
> "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" wrote:
>
> > Greetings Rob,
> >
> > There are some scenarios where MSN Messenger 7.x and above consume 100% CPU on demand but
> > closing all current running conversation windows should fix it (till the next time).
> >
> > They're not spying on you -- beginning in Windows Messenger 5.x, they have attempted to
> > identify currently running applications that might cause you to reboot if you continue
> > uninstalling (or installing) the software. It's been seen in some other Microsoft products,
> > including Windows Live Messenger. Just hit Ignore, it's usually wrong.
> >
> > --
> > Jonathan Kay
> > Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger/MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger
> > Associate Expert
> > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> > Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> > All posts unless otherwise specified are (c) 2006 Jonathan Kay.
> > You *must* contact me for redistribution rights.
> > --
> >
> >
> > "Rob R. Ainscough" <robains@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> > news:OooE9tToGHA.1592@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> > > M$ have finally lost it -- WTF are they thinking?
> > >
> > > I come to uninstall MSN 8.0 because it was consuming 100% of my CPU time at what would
> > > appear to be random situations, but since it is a daily problem (I'm not alone as you'll
> > > see 1000's of complaints about CPU usage problems and MSN 8.0). During the Uninstall
> > > process it tells me I have to shutdown my VS 2005 Professional!!!! Say WHAT!!!!! WTF are
> > > M$ doing with MSN that requires me to shutdown VS 2005 so that they can UNINSTALL????
> > >
> > > Are they spying on my development work? What possible reason do they have to force me to
> > > shutdown my development tool so that MSN can uninstall itself? This is completely
> > > UNACCEPTABLE!! MSN 8.0 is doing A LOT more than just providing chat and it appears to be
> > > communicating with many other servers on a regular basis without my knowledge (lucky I have
> > > port scanners on my system to see the illegal activity MSN 8.0 performs, there is NOTHING
> > > in the EULA that suggest they are doing this).
> > >
> > > M$ are asking for some serious legal action against them.
> > >
> > > After I shutdown VS 2005 so that I can try to uninstall MSN 8.0, it dumps out an error
> > > "Microsoft Document Explorer" dexplore.exe .... I am SO OVER M$ crap, their
> > > software/updates of late have been incredibly buggy and extremely invasive.
> > >
> > > You've been warned, MSN 8.0 is spyware and bad spyware at that.
> > >
> > > Rob
> > >
> >
> >
> >

Jonathan
Thu Jul 06 21:26:42 CDT 2006

Hi Ned,

I have been called that on more than one occasion. One of your keys might've been stuck or
something (it happens).

--
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Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger/MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
All posts unless otherwise specified are (c) 2006 Jonathan Kay.
You *must* contact me for redistribution rights.
--

"Ned" <Ned@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:312E307D-53F5-42D0-A803-2B0057F576DD@microsoft.com...
> Sorry Johnathon as I was wrong. ctrl t does work. It didn't but it does now
> -=shrugs=- Apology
>
> "Ned" wrote:
>
>> Johnathon Kay Are you Mr Microsoft? You seem to have all the answers. I
>> just wanted to tell you that your ctrl t does not open a new tab in 7.0
>>
>> "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" wrote:
>>
>> > Greetings Rob,
>> >
>> > There are some scenarios where MSN Messenger 7.x and above consume 100% CPU on demand
>> > but
>> > closing all current running conversation windows should fix it (till the next time).
>> >
>> > They're not spying on you -- beginning in Windows Messenger 5.x, they have attempted to
>> > identify currently running applications that might cause you to reboot if you continue
>> > uninstalling (or installing) the software. It's been seen in some other Microsoft
>> > products,
>> > including Windows Live Messenger. Just hit Ignore, it's usually wrong.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Jonathan Kay
>> > Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger/MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger
>> > Associate Expert
>> > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
>> > Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
>> > All posts unless otherwise specified are (c) 2006 Jonathan Kay.
>> > You *must* contact me for redistribution rights.
>> > --
>> >
>> >
>> > "Rob R. Ainscough" <robains@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>> > news:OooE9tToGHA.1592@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> > > M$ have finally lost it -- WTF are they thinking?
>> > >
>> > > I come to uninstall MSN 8.0 because it was consuming 100% of my CPU time at what would
>> > > appear to be random situations, but since it is a daily problem (I'm not alone as
>> > > you'll
>> > > see 1000's of complaints about CPU usage problems and MSN 8.0). During the Uninstall
>> > > process it tells me I have to shutdown my VS 2005 Professional!!!! Say WHAT!!!!! WTF
>> > > are
>> > > M$ doing with MSN that requires me to shutdown VS 2005 so that they can UNINSTALL????
>> > >
>> > > Are they spying on my development work? What possible reason do they have to force me
>> > > to
>> > > shutdown my development tool so that MSN can uninstall itself? This is completely
>> > > UNACCEPTABLE!! MSN 8.0 is doing A LOT more than just providing chat and it appears to
>> > > be
>> > > communicating with many other servers on a regular basis without my knowledge (lucky I
>> > > have
>> > > port scanners on my system to see the illegal activity MSN 8.0 performs, there is
>> > > NOTHING
>> > > in the EULA that suggest they are doing this).
>> > >
>> > > M$ are asking for some serious legal action against them.
>> > >
>> > > After I shutdown VS 2005 so that I can try to uninstall MSN 8.0, it dumps out an error
>> > > "Microsoft Document Explorer" dexplore.exe .... I am SO OVER M$ crap, their
>> > > software/updates of late have been incredibly buggy and extremely invasive.
>> > >
>> > > You've been warned, MSN 8.0 is spyware and bad spyware at that.
>> > >
>> > > Rob
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >

Rob
Thu Jul 06 22:50:00 CDT 2006

Closing MSN (not just chat windows) is the only thing that resolves the 100%
CPU usage. Version 7.5 doesn't exhibit this behavior so I'm staying with it
for now -- most likely we're going to convert to gmail or something else
within the next month or so, too many issues with MSN 8.0.

Rob.

"Jonathan Kay [MVP]" <msnewsreplies@jonathankay.com> wrote in message
news:erN$%23iUoGHA.4124@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Greetings Rob,
>
> There are some scenarios where MSN Messenger 7.x and above consume 100%
> CPU on demand but closing all current running conversation windows should
> fix it (till the next time).
>
> They're not spying on you -- beginning in Windows Messenger 5.x, they have
> attempted to identify currently running applications that might cause you
> to reboot if you continue uninstalling (or installing) the software. It's
> been seen in some other Microsoft products, including Windows Live
> Messenger. Just hit Ignore, it's usually wrong.
>
> --
> Jonathan Kay
> Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger/MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger
> Associate Expert
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> All posts unless otherwise specified are (c) 2006 Jonathan Kay.
> You *must* contact me for redistribution rights.
> --
>
>
> "Rob R. Ainscough" <robains@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:OooE9tToGHA.1592@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> M$ have finally lost it -- WTF are they thinking?
>>
>> I come to uninstall MSN 8.0 because it was consuming 100% of my CPU time
>> at what would appear to be random situations, but since it is a daily
>> problem (I'm not alone as you'll see 1000's of complaints about CPU usage
>> problems and MSN 8.0). During the Uninstall process it tells me I have
>> to shutdown my VS 2005 Professional!!!! Say WHAT!!!!! WTF are M$ doing
>> with MSN that requires me to shutdown VS 2005 so that they can
>> UNINSTALL????
>>
>> Are they spying on my development work? What possible reason do they
>> have to force me to shutdown my development tool so that MSN can
>> uninstall itself? This is completely UNACCEPTABLE!! MSN 8.0 is doing A
>> LOT more than just providing chat and it appears to be communicating with
>> many other servers on a regular basis without my knowledge (lucky I have
>> port scanners on my system to see the illegal activity MSN 8.0 performs,
>> there is NOTHING in the EULA that suggest they are doing this).
>>
>> M$ are asking for some serious legal action against them.
>>
>> After I shutdown VS 2005 so that I can try to uninstall MSN 8.0, it dumps
>> out an error "Microsoft Document Explorer" dexplore.exe .... I am SO
>> OVER M$ crap, their software/updates of late have been incredibly buggy
>> and extremely invasive.
>>
>> You've been warned, MSN 8.0 is spyware and bad spyware at that.
>>
>> Rob
>>
>
>

Nigel
Fri Jul 07 00:40:00 CDT 2006

Rob R. Ainscough <robains@pacbell.net> wrote:
> Closing MSN (not just chat windows) is the only thing that resolves the 100%
> CPU usage. Version 7.5 doesn't exhibit this behavior so I'm staying with it
> for now -- most likely we're going to convert to gmail or something else
> within the next month or so, too many issues with MSN 8.0.

I solved the 100% CPU usage by shutting down Windoze and installing Linux ;)

Regards
Nigel
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Jonathan
Fri Jul 07 12:16:07 CDT 2006

Hi Rob,

We're probably describing different issues then, still, if you ever find a specific
combination of things which case the problem, be sure to post them.

--
Jonathan Kay
Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger/MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
All posts unless otherwise specified are (c) 2006 Jonathan Kay.
You *must* contact me for redistribution rights.
--

"Rob R. Ainscough" <robains@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:e%23PWshXoGHA.4872@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Closing MSN (not just chat windows) is the only thing that resolves the 100% CPU usage.
> Version 7.5 doesn't exhibit this behavior so I'm staying with it for now -- most likely
> we're going to convert to gmail or something else within the next month or so, too many
> issues with MSN 8.0.
>
> Rob.
>
> "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" <msnewsreplies@jonathankay.com> wrote in message
> news:erN$%23iUoGHA.4124@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Greetings Rob,
>>
>> There are some scenarios where MSN Messenger 7.x and above consume 100% CPU on demand but
>> closing all current running conversation windows should fix it (till the next time).
>>
>> They're not spying on you -- beginning in Windows Messenger 5.x, they have attempted to
>> identify currently running applications that might cause you to reboot if you continue
>> uninstalling (or installing) the software. It's been seen in some other Microsoft
>> products, including Windows Live Messenger. Just hit Ignore, it's usually wrong.
>>
>> --
>> Jonathan Kay
>> Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger/MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger
>> Associate Expert
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
>> Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
>> All posts unless otherwise specified are (c) 2006 Jonathan Kay.
>> You *must* contact me for redistribution rights.
>> --
>>
>>
>> "Rob R. Ainscough" <robains@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>> news:OooE9tToGHA.1592@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> M$ have finally lost it -- WTF are they thinking?
>>>
>>> I come to uninstall MSN 8.0 because it was consuming 100% of my CPU time at what would
>>> appear to be random situations, but since it is a daily problem (I'm not alone as you'll
>>> see 1000's of complaints about CPU usage problems and MSN 8.0). During the Uninstall
>>> process it tells me I have to shutdown my VS 2005 Professional!!!! Say WHAT!!!!! WTF
>>> are M$ doing with MSN that requires me to shutdown VS 2005 so that they can UNINSTALL????
>>>
>>> Are they spying on my development work? What possible reason do they have to force me to
>>> shutdown my development tool so that MSN can uninstall itself? This is completely
>>> UNACCEPTABLE!! MSN 8.0 is doing A LOT more than just providing chat and it appears to be
>>> communicating with many other servers on a regular basis without my knowledge (lucky I
>>> have port scanners on my system to see the illegal activity MSN 8.0 performs, there is
>>> NOTHING in the EULA that suggest they are doing this).
>>>
>>> M$ are asking for some serious legal action against them.
>>>
>>> After I shutdown VS 2005 so that I can try to uninstall MSN 8.0, it dumps out an error
>>> "Microsoft Document Explorer" dexplore.exe .... I am SO OVER M$ crap, their
>>> software/updates of late have been incredibly buggy and extremely invasive.
>>>
>>> You've been warned, MSN 8.0 is spyware and bad spyware at that.
>>>
>>> Rob
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Rob
Tue Jul 11 09:53:07 CDT 2006

Not sure going from one user intensive OS to another user intensive OS is
going to help solve anything beyond my immediate problems. The real issue:

1. Developers don't think outside their box (hence 80% of the population do
use what we produce)
2. The complexity of the OS is preventing complete QA cycles (more security
holes, more bugs)
3. Security should NOT be IN THE WAY and should NOT be the responsibility
of the user

There are solutions to all three of these, yet nobody wants to spend the
time, money and resources on it -- and this is exactly how one dooms ones
fate to a flat 20% market share. Are the light bulbs going on? Not at
Microsoft and certainly not open source Linux or any other flavor. Going
with an alternative just because it is an alternative still doesn't address
the three issues above.

My hope is that a well funded group will see the light (and business/profit
potential) and come out with an OS (and no the Mac OS is no better) that is
truely for everyone.

Rob.

"Nigel Reed" <see@www.nelgin.nu-slash-qconfirm.html.invalid> wrote in
message news:hf81o3-jvk.ln1@wibble.nelgin.nu...
> Rob R. Ainscough <robains@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> Closing MSN (not just chat windows) is the only thing that resolves the
>> 100%
>> CPU usage. Version 7.5 doesn't exhibit this behavior so I'm staying with
>> it
>> for now -- most likely we're going to convert to gmail or something else
>> within the next month or so, too many issues with MSN 8.0.
>
> I solved the 100% CPU usage by shutting down Windoze and installing Linux
> ;)
>
> Regards
> Nigel
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>
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