I am having problems with MSN Messenger and audio chat. It seems now when I
chat with someone, my bandwidth is dropping off dramitically. My upload
speed is dropping from about 370 Kb/s to about 100 Kb/s.

I just upgraded to SP2 yesterday, so I'm not sure if that has anything to do
with it or if it's just a coincidence.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to why the audio chat is using so much
bandwidth?

Re: Audio chat is killing my bandwidth by Striker

Striker
Sat Aug 07 13:20:18 CDT 2004

Is it possible that your upload speed is being constrained by the download
bandwidth at the other end or by some internet paths in between?

"slim" <ezrathedog@hot-nospam-mail.com> wrote in message
news:dC7Rc.306$dG.97@trndny02...
>I am having problems with MSN Messenger and audio chat. It seems now when
>I chat with someone, my bandwidth is dropping off dramitically. My upload
>speed is dropping from about 370 Kb/s to about 100 Kb/s.
>
> I just upgraded to SP2 yesterday, so I'm not sure if that has anything to
> do with it or if it's just a coincidence.
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions as to why the audio chat is using so much
> bandwidth?
>



Re: Audio chat is killing my bandwidth by slim

slim
Sat Aug 07 15:45:27 CDT 2004

No. Nothing else is happening except for MSN chat....as soon as I start
talking, thats when both the download and upload decrease dramitically.

"Striker" <anonymous@no.Spam> wrote in message
news:OHb75sKfEHA.396@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Is it possible that your upload speed is being constrained by the download
> bandwidth at the other end or by some internet paths in between?
>
> "slim" <ezrathedog@hot-nospam-mail.com> wrote in message
> news:dC7Rc.306$dG.97@trndny02...
>>I am having problems with MSN Messenger and audio chat. It seems now when
>>I chat with someone, my bandwidth is dropping off dramitically. My upload
>>speed is dropping from about 370 Kb/s to about 100 Kb/s.
>>
>> I just upgraded to SP2 yesterday, so I'm not sure if that has anything to
>> do with it or if it's just a coincidence.
>>
>> Does anyone have any suggestions as to why the audio chat is using so
>> much bandwidth?
>>
>
>



Re: Audio chat is killing my bandwidth by Striker

Striker
Sat Aug 07 17:28:15 CDT 2004

Audio can easily take from 100-200 kb/sec depending on which codec is being
used especially if both parties are using a broadband connection. How are
you measuring your available upload and download bandwidth when you are in a
audio chat?

"slim" <ezrathedog@hot-nospam-mail.com> wrote in message
news:HbbRc.814$Po1.181@trndny08...
> No. Nothing else is happening except for MSN chat....as soon as I start
> talking, thats when both the download and upload decrease dramitically.
>
> "Striker" <anonymous@no.Spam> wrote in message
> news:OHb75sKfEHA.396@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> Is it possible that your upload speed is being constrained by the
>> download bandwidth at the other end or by some internet paths in between?
>>
>> "slim" <ezrathedog@hot-nospam-mail.com> wrote in message
>> news:dC7Rc.306$dG.97@trndny02...
>>>I am having problems with MSN Messenger and audio chat. It seems now
>>>when I chat with someone, my bandwidth is dropping off dramitically. My
>>>upload speed is dropping from about 370 Kb/s to about 100 Kb/s.
>>>
>>> I just upgraded to SP2 yesterday, so I'm not sure if that has anything
>>> to do with it or if it's just a coincidence.
>>>
>>> Does anyone have any suggestions as to why the audio chat is using so
>>> much bandwidth?
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



Re: Audio chat is killing my bandwidth by slim

slim
Sat Aug 07 18:22:40 CDT 2004

The original way I saw that I was having a problem is: I run an FTP site.
One person was downloading from me...typically they get a download rate of
around 45 KB/s. As soon as I began speaking to someone, the rate dropped to
around 10 KB/s. I've never encountered a dropoff like this before.

After I realized that the speed was dropping off, I stopped the FTP server,
and ran a speed test. My normal speedtest results are around 1490 Kb/s down
/ 370 Kb/s up. While I'm talking, I yield results of around 60 KB/s down /
100 KB/s up. If I end the conversation and run another speed test, the
numbers are back to normal.



"Striker" <anonymous@no.Spam> wrote in message
news:%2391Hd3MfEHA.2908@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Audio can easily take from 100-200 kb/sec depending on which codec is
> being used especially if both parties are using a broadband connection.
> How are you measuring your available upload and download bandwidth when
> you are in a audio chat?
>
> "slim" <ezrathedog@hot-nospam-mail.com> wrote in message
> news:HbbRc.814$Po1.181@trndny08...
>> No. Nothing else is happening except for MSN chat....as soon as I start
>> talking, thats when both the download and upload decrease dramitically.
>>
>> "Striker" <anonymous@no.Spam> wrote in message
>> news:OHb75sKfEHA.396@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>> Is it possible that your upload speed is being constrained by the
>>> download bandwidth at the other end or by some internet paths in
>>> between?
>>>
>>> "slim" <ezrathedog@hot-nospam-mail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:dC7Rc.306$dG.97@trndny02...
>>>>I am having problems with MSN Messenger and audio chat. It seems now
>>>>when I chat with someone, my bandwidth is dropping off dramitically. My
>>>>upload speed is dropping from about 370 Kb/s to about 100 Kb/s.
>>>>
>>>> I just upgraded to SP2 yesterday, so I'm not sure if that has anything
>>>> to do with it or if it's just a coincidence.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone have any suggestions as to why the audio chat is using so
>>>> much bandwidth?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



Re: Audio chat is killing my bandwidth by Striker

Striker
Sat Aug 07 22:46:22 CDT 2004

I think everything is running normally for you. Audio takes a heck of a lot
of bandwidth.

"slim" <ezrathedog@hot-nospam-mail.com> wrote in message
news:4vdRc.851$AA1.635@trndny06...
> The original way I saw that I was having a problem is: I run an FTP site.
> One person was downloading from me...typically they get a download rate of
> around 45 KB/s. As soon as I began speaking to someone, the rate dropped
> to around 10 KB/s. I've never encountered a dropoff like this before.
>
> After I realized that the speed was dropping off, I stopped the FTP
> server, and ran a speed test. My normal speedtest results are around 1490
> Kb/s down / 370 Kb/s up. While I'm talking, I yield results of around 60
> KB/s down / 100 KB/s up. If I end the conversation and run another speed
> test, the numbers are back to normal.
>
>
>
> "Striker" <anonymous@no.Spam> wrote in message
> news:%2391Hd3MfEHA.2908@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> Audio can easily take from 100-200 kb/sec depending on which codec is
>> being used especially if both parties are using a broadband connection.
>> How are you measuring your available upload and download bandwidth when
>> you are in a audio chat?
>>
>> "slim" <ezrathedog@hot-nospam-mail.com> wrote in message
>> news:HbbRc.814$Po1.181@trndny08...
>>> No. Nothing else is happening except for MSN chat....as soon as I start
>>> talking, thats when both the download and upload decrease dramitically.
>>>
>>> "Striker" <anonymous@no.Spam> wrote in message
>>> news:OHb75sKfEHA.396@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>>> Is it possible that your upload speed is being constrained by the
>>>> download bandwidth at the other end or by some internet paths in
>>>> between?
>>>>
>>>> "slim" <ezrathedog@hot-nospam-mail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:dC7Rc.306$dG.97@trndny02...
>>>>>I am having problems with MSN Messenger and audio chat. It seems now
>>>>>when I chat with someone, my bandwidth is dropping off dramitically.
>>>>>My upload speed is dropping from about 370 Kb/s to about 100 Kb/s.
>>>>>
>>>>> I just upgraded to SP2 yesterday, so I'm not sure if that has anything
>>>>> to do with it or if it's just a coincidence.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone have any suggestions as to why the audio chat is using so
>>>>> much bandwidth?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



Re: Audio chat is killing my bandwidth by slim

slim
Sun Aug 08 10:20:55 CDT 2004

I don't think it should be using that much..it's never had this type of
effect on my bandwidth. I can't imagine it's normal for it to suck up 1,000
Kbs of downstream, and 270 Kbs of upstream.


"Striker" <anonymous@no.Spam> wrote in message
news:O58FHpPfEHA.3148@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>I think everything is running normally for you. Audio takes a heck of a
>lot of bandwidth.
>
> "slim" <ezrathedog@hot-nospam-mail.com> wrote in message
> news:4vdRc.851$AA1.635@trndny06...
>> The original way I saw that I was having a problem is: I run an FTP site.
>> One person was downloading from me...typically they get a download rate
>> of around 45 KB/s. As soon as I began speaking to someone, the rate
>> dropped to around 10 KB/s. I've never encountered a dropoff like this
>> before.
>>
>> After I realized that the speed was dropping off, I stopped the FTP
>> server, and ran a speed test. My normal speedtest results are around
>> 1490 Kb/s down / 370 Kb/s up. While I'm talking, I yield results of
>> around 60 KB/s down / 100 KB/s up. If I end the conversation and run
>> another speed test, the numbers are back to normal.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Striker" <anonymous@no.Spam> wrote in message
>> news:%2391Hd3MfEHA.2908@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>> Audio can easily take from 100-200 kb/sec depending on which codec is
>>> being used especially if both parties are using a broadband connection.
>>> How are you measuring your available upload and download bandwidth when
>>> you are in a audio chat?
>>>
>>> "slim" <ezrathedog@hot-nospam-mail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:HbbRc.814$Po1.181@trndny08...
>>>> No. Nothing else is happening except for MSN chat....as soon as I
>>>> start talking, thats when both the download and upload decrease
>>>> dramitically.
>>>>
>>>> "Striker" <anonymous@no.Spam> wrote in message
>>>> news:OHb75sKfEHA.396@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Is it possible that your upload speed is being constrained by the
>>>>> download bandwidth at the other end or by some internet paths in
>>>>> between?
>>>>>
>>>>> "slim" <ezrathedog@hot-nospam-mail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:dC7Rc.306$dG.97@trndny02...
>>>>>>I am having problems with MSN Messenger and audio chat. It seems now
>>>>>>when I chat with someone, my bandwidth is dropping off dramitically.
>>>>>>My upload speed is dropping from about 370 Kb/s to about 100 Kb/s.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just upgraded to SP2 yesterday, so I'm not sure if that has
>>>>>> anything to do with it or if it's just a coincidence.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anyone have any suggestions as to why the audio chat is using so
>>>>>> much bandwidth?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



Bandwitdh may not be the controlling resource. by Striker

Striker
Sun Aug 08 10:29:26 CDT 2004

CPU contention could also possibly be the cause of your problem. The audio
codecs use a lot of cpu power and messenger audio runs at a very high
priority. This could mean that your FTP server is not getting enough time
slices to use the available remaining upload available after the audio chat.
I assume that you have to be actually talking or listening to have the FTP
slowdown and there is not a possibility of either of you consuming large
amounts of bandwidth with background noise.
A hyper-threaded CPU would most likely solve a CPU contention problem or
more memory would solve a memory contention problem but I assume you have at
least 256MB of memory.

"Striker" <anonymous@no.Spam> wrote in message
news:O58FHpPfEHA.3148@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>I think everything is running normally for you. Audio takes a heck of a
>lot of bandwidth.
>
> "slim" <ezrathedog@hot-nospam-mail.com> wrote in message
> news:4vdRc.851$AA1.635@trndny06...
>> The original way I saw that I was having a problem is: I run an FTP site.
>> One person was downloading from me...typically they get a download rate
>> of around 45 KB/s. As soon as I began speaking to someone, the rate
>> dropped to around 10 KB/s. I've never encountered a dropoff like this
>> before.
>>
>> After I realized that the speed was dropping off, I stopped the FTP
>> server, and ran a speed test. My normal speedtest results are around
>> 1490 Kb/s down / 370 Kb/s up. While I'm talking, I yield results of
>> around 60 KB/s down / 100 KB/s up. If I end the conversation and run
>> another speed test, the numbers are back to normal.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Striker" <anonymous@no.Spam> wrote in message
>> news:%2391Hd3MfEHA.2908@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>> Audio can easily take from 100-200 kb/sec depending on which codec is
>>> being used especially if both parties are using a broadband connection.
>>> How are you measuring your available upload and download bandwidth when
>>> you are in a audio chat?
>>>
>>> "slim" <ezrathedog@hot-nospam-mail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:HbbRc.814$Po1.181@trndny08...
>>>> No. Nothing else is happening except for MSN chat....as soon as I
>>>> start talking, thats when both the download and upload decrease
>>>> dramitically.
>>>>
>>>> "Striker" <anonymous@no.Spam> wrote in message
>>>> news:OHb75sKfEHA.396@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Is it possible that your upload speed is being constrained by the
>>>>> download bandwidth at the other end or by some internet paths in
>>>>> between?
>>>>>
>>>>> "slim" <ezrathedog@hot-nospam-mail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:dC7Rc.306$dG.97@trndny02...
>>>>>>I am having problems with MSN Messenger and audio chat. It seems now
>>>>>>when I chat with someone, my bandwidth is dropping off dramitically.
>>>>>>My upload speed is dropping from about 370 Kb/s to about 100 Kb/s.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just upgraded to SP2 yesterday, so I'm not sure if that has
>>>>>> anything to do with it or if it's just a coincidence.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anyone have any suggestions as to why the audio chat is using so
>>>>>> much bandwidth?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



Re: Audio chat is killing my bandwidth by Striker

Striker
Sun Aug 08 10:33:46 CDT 2004

My last post crossed your post above. Assuming you are on XP are you able
to use permmon to monitor the bandwidth to see what is actually being used?

"slim" <ezrathedog@hot-nospam-mail.com> wrote in message
news:rxrRc.1035$Po1.730@trndny08...
>I don't think it should be using that much..it's never had this type of
>effect on my bandwidth. I can't imagine it's normal for it to suck up
>1,000 Kbs of downstream, and 270 Kbs of upstream.
>
>
> "Striker" <anonymous@no.Spam> wrote in message
> news:O58FHpPfEHA.3148@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>I think everything is running normally for you. Audio takes a heck of a
>>lot of bandwidth.
>>
>> "slim" <ezrathedog@hot-nospam-mail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4vdRc.851$AA1.635@trndny06...
>>> The original way I saw that I was having a problem is: I run an FTP
>>> site. One person was downloading from me...typically they get a download
>>> rate of around 45 KB/s. As soon as I began speaking to someone, the
>>> rate dropped to around 10 KB/s. I've never encountered a dropoff like
>>> this before.
>>>
>>> After I realized that the speed was dropping off, I stopped the FTP
>>> server, and ran a speed test. My normal speedtest results are around
>>> 1490 Kb/s down / 370 Kb/s up. While I'm talking, I yield results of
>>> around 60 KB/s down / 100 KB/s up. If I end the conversation and run
>>> another speed test, the numbers are back to normal.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Striker" <anonymous@no.Spam> wrote in message
>>> news:%2391Hd3MfEHA.2908@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>>> Audio can easily take from 100-200 kb/sec depending on which codec is
>>>> being used especially if both parties are using a broadband connection.
>>>> How are you measuring your available upload and download bandwidth when
>>>> you are in a audio chat?
>>>>
>>>> "slim" <ezrathedog@hot-nospam-mail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:HbbRc.814$Po1.181@trndny08...
>>>>> No. Nothing else is happening except for MSN chat....as soon as I
>>>>> start talking, thats when both the download and upload decrease
>>>>> dramitically.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Striker" <anonymous@no.Spam> wrote in message
>>>>> news:OHb75sKfEHA.396@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Is it possible that your upload speed is being constrained by the
>>>>>> download bandwidth at the other end or by some internet paths in
>>>>>> between?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "slim" <ezrathedog@hot-nospam-mail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:dC7Rc.306$dG.97@trndny02...
>>>>>>>I am having problems with MSN Messenger and audio chat. It seems now
>>>>>>>when I chat with someone, my bandwidth is dropping off dramitically.
>>>>>>>My upload speed is dropping from about 370 Kb/s to about 100 Kb/s.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just upgraded to SP2 yesterday, so I'm not sure if that has
>>>>>>> anything to do with it or if it's just a coincidence.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does anyone have any suggestions as to why the audio chat is using
>>>>>>> so much bandwidth?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



Re: Audio chat is killing my bandwidth by slim

slim
Sun Aug 08 11:50:35 CDT 2004

Are you referring to the Networking tab within the Task Bar. I'm not
exactly sure which numbers to monitor.

I also discovered that my ftp server is not the problem. I turned my ftp
server off and ran some speed tests. The results were completely out of
wack.

With my ftp server turned off, I started an audio conversation, ran a speed
test, and my results were:
202 Kbps down / 438 Kbps up. This is very strange, because I've never
gotten an upload of greater than 370 - 375. I confirmed these numbers by
running a second speed test.

Then I stopped my conversation, ran another speed test:
1472 Kbps down / 368 Kbps up.

I also tried chatting with Yahoo Messenger, instead of MSN Messenger. Audio
chat in Yahoo Messenger is barely affecting my bandwidth at all.


"Striker" <anonymous@no.Spam> wrote in message
news:efuzZ0VfEHA.704@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> My last post crossed your post above. Assuming you are on XP are you able
> to use permmon to monitor the bandwidth to see what is actually being
> used?
>
> "slim" <ezrathedog@hot-nospam-mail.com> wrote in message
> news:rxrRc.1035$Po1.730@trndny08...
>>I don't think it should be using that much..it's never had this type of
>>effect on my bandwidth. I can't imagine it's normal for it to suck up
>>1,000 Kbs of downstream, and 270 Kbs of upstream.
>>
>>
>> "Striker" <anonymous@no.Spam> wrote in message
>> news:O58FHpPfEHA.3148@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>>I think everything is running normally for you. Audio takes a heck of a
>>>lot of bandwidth.
>>>
>>> "slim" <ezrathedog@hot-nospam-mail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4vdRc.851$AA1.635@trndny06...
>>>> The original way I saw that I was having a problem is: I run an FTP
>>>> site. One person was downloading from me...typically they get a
>>>> download rate of around 45 KB/s. As soon as I began speaking to
>>>> someone, the rate dropped to around 10 KB/s. I've never encountered a
>>>> dropoff like this before.
>>>>
>>>> After I realized that the speed was dropping off, I stopped the FTP
>>>> server, and ran a speed test. My normal speedtest results are around
>>>> 1490 Kb/s down / 370 Kb/s up. While I'm talking, I yield results of
>>>> around 60 KB/s down / 100 KB/s up. If I end the conversation and run
>>>> another speed test, the numbers are back to normal.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Striker" <anonymous@no.Spam> wrote in message
>>>> news:%2391Hd3MfEHA.2908@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Audio can easily take from 100-200 kb/sec depending on which codec is
>>>>> being used especially if both parties are using a broadband
>>>>> connection. How are you measuring your available upload and download
>>>>> bandwidth when you are in a audio chat?
>>>>>
>>>>> "slim" <ezrathedog@hot-nospam-mail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:HbbRc.814$Po1.181@trndny08...
>>>>>> No. Nothing else is happening except for MSN chat....as soon as I
>>>>>> start talking, thats when both the download and upload decrease
>>>>>> dramitically.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Striker" <anonymous@no.Spam> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:OHb75sKfEHA.396@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Is it possible that your upload speed is being constrained by the
>>>>>>> download bandwidth at the other end or by some internet paths in
>>>>>>> between?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "slim" <ezrathedog@hot-nospam-mail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:dC7Rc.306$dG.97@trndny02...
>>>>>>>>I am having problems with MSN Messenger and audio chat. It seems
>>>>>>>>now when I chat with someone, my bandwidth is dropping off
>>>>>>>>dramitically. My upload speed is dropping from about 370 Kb/s to
>>>>>>>>about 100 Kb/s.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just upgraded to SP2 yesterday, so I'm not sure if that has
>>>>>>>> anything to do with it or if it's just a coincidence.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Does anyone have any suggestions as to why the audio chat is using
>>>>>>>> so much bandwidth?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



Re: Audio chat is killing my bandwidth by Striker

Striker
Sun Aug 08 12:14:23 CDT 2004

To run the performance monitor go to start/run and enter "perfmon" use
the "+" icon on the toolbar to find and locate other parameters you can
monitor such as the upload and download counters for your network card. It
is possible that prfmon will give you more accurate then the software you
are using for testing.

"slim" <ezrathedog@hot-nospam-mail.com> wrote in message
news:vRsRc.2493$K82.538@trndny01...
> Are you referring to the Networking tab within the Task Bar. I'm not
> exactly sure which numbers to monitor.
>
> I also discovered that my ftp server is not the problem. I turned my ftp
> server off and ran some speed tests. The results were completely out of
> wack.
>
> With my ftp server turned off, I started an audio conversation, ran a
> speed test, and my results were:
> 202 Kbps down / 438 Kbps up. This is very strange, because I've never
> gotten an upload of greater than 370 - 375. I confirmed these numbers by
> running a second speed test.
>
> Then I stopped my conversation, ran another speed test:
> 1472 Kbps down / 368 Kbps up.
>
> I also tried chatting with Yahoo Messenger, instead of MSN Messenger.
> Audio chat in Yahoo Messenger is barely affecting my bandwidth at all.
>
>
> "Striker" <anonymous@no.Spam> wrote in message
> news:efuzZ0VfEHA.704@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> My last post crossed your post above. Assuming you are on XP are you
>> able to use permmon to monitor the bandwidth to see what is actually
>> being used?
>>
>> "slim" <ezrathedog@hot-nospam-mail.com> wrote in message
>> news:rxrRc.1035$Po1.730@trndny08...
>>>I don't think it should be using that much..it's never had this type of
>>>effect on my bandwidth. I can't imagine it's normal for it to suck up
>>>1,000 Kbs of downstream, and 270 Kbs of upstream.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Striker" <anonymous@no.Spam> wrote in message
>>> news:O58FHpPfEHA.3148@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>>>I think everything is running normally for you. Audio takes a heck of a
>>>>lot of bandwidth.
>>>>
>>>> "slim" <ezrathedog@hot-nospam-mail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4vdRc.851$AA1.635@trndny06...
>>>>> The original way I saw that I was having a problem is: I run an FTP
>>>>> site. One person was downloading from me...typically they get a
>>>>> download rate of around 45 KB/s. As soon as I began speaking to
>>>>> someone, the rate dropped to around 10 KB/s. I've never encountered a
>>>>> dropoff like this before.
>>>>>
>>>>> After I realized that the speed was dropping off, I stopped the FTP
>>>>> server, and ran a speed test. My normal speedtest results are around
>>>>> 1490 Kb/s down / 370 Kb/s up. While I'm talking, I yield results of
>>>>> around 60 KB/s down / 100 KB/s up. If I end the conversation and run
>>>>> another speed test, the numbers are back to normal.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Striker" <anonymous@no.Spam> wrote in message
>>>>> news:%2391Hd3MfEHA.2908@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Audio can easily take from 100-200 kb/sec depending on which codec is
>>>>>> being used especially if both parties are using a broadband
>>>>>> connection. How are you measuring your available upload and download
>>>>>> bandwidth when you are in a audio chat?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "slim" <ezrathedog@hot-nospam-mail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:HbbRc.814$Po1.181@trndny08...
>>>>>>> No. Nothing else is happening except for MSN chat....as soon as I
>>>>>>> start talking, thats when both the download and upload decrease
>>>>>>> dramitically.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Striker" <anonymous@no.Spam> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:OHb75sKfEHA.396@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> Is it possible that your upload speed is being constrained by the
>>>>>>>> download bandwidth at the other end or by some internet paths in
>>>>>>>> between?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "slim" <ezrathedog@hot-nospam-mail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:dC7Rc.306$dG.97@trndny02...
>>>>>>>>>I am having problems with MSN Messenger and audio chat. It seems
>>>>>>>>>now when I chat with someone, my bandwidth is dropping off
>>>>>>>>>dramitically. My upload speed is dropping from about 370 Kb/s to
>>>>>>>>>about 100 Kb/s.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I just upgraded to SP2 yesterday, so I'm not sure if that has
>>>>>>>>> anything to do with it or if it's just a coincidence.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Does anyone have any suggestions as to why the audio chat is using
>>>>>>>>> so much bandwidth?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



Re: Audio chat is killing my bandwidth by slim

slim
Sun Aug 08 18:34:58 CDT 2004

Still showing similiar results.

I'm convenced that SP2 had a negative impact on MSN Messenger, especially
being Yahoo Messenger works fine.


"Striker" <anonymous@no.Spam> wrote in message
news:ef$losWfEHA.3928@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> To run the performance monitor go to start/run and enter "perfmon" use
> the "+" icon on the toolbar to find and locate other parameters you can
> monitor such as the upload and download counters for your network card.
> It is possible that prfmon will give you more accurate then the software
> you are using for testing.
>
> "slim" <ezrathedog@hot-nospam-mail.com> wrote in message
> news:vRsRc.2493$K82.538@trndny01...
>> Are you referring to the Networking tab within the Task Bar. I'm not
>> exactly sure which numbers to monitor.
>>
>> I also discovered that my ftp server is not the problem. I turned my ftp
>> server off and ran some speed tests. The results were completely out of
>> wack.
>>
>> With my ftp server turned off, I started an audio conversation, ran a
>> speed test, and my results were:
>> 202 Kbps down / 438 Kbps up. This is very strange, because I've never
>> gotten an upload of greater than 370 - 375. I confirmed these numbers by
>> running a second speed test.
>>
>> Then I stopped my conversation, ran another speed test:
>> 1472 Kbps down / 368 Kbps up.
>>
>> I also tried chatting with Yahoo Messenger, instead of MSN Messenger.
>> Audio chat in Yahoo Messenger is barely affecting my bandwidth at all.
>>
>>
>> "Striker" <anonymous@no.Spam> wrote in message
>> news:efuzZ0VfEHA.704@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>> My last post crossed your post above. Assuming you are on XP are you
>>> able to use permmon to monitor the bandwidth to see what is actually
>>> being used?
>>>
>>> "slim" <ezrathedog@hot-nospam-mail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:rxrRc.1035$Po1.730@trndny08...
>>>>I don't think it should be using that much..it's never had this type of
>>>>effect on my bandwidth. I can't imagine it's normal for it to suck up
>>>>1,000 Kbs of downstream, and 270 Kbs of upstream.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Striker" <anonymous@no.Spam> wrote in message
>>>> news:O58FHpPfEHA.3148@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>>>>I think everything is running normally for you. Audio takes a heck of
>>>>>a lot of bandwidth.
>>>>>
>>>>> "slim" <ezrathedog@hot-nospam-mail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:4vdRc.851$AA1.635@trndny06...
>>>>>> The original way I saw that I was having a problem is: I run an FTP
>>>>>> site. One person was downloading from me...typically they get a
>>>>>> download rate of around 45 KB/s. As soon as I began speaking to
>>>>>> someone, the rate dropped to around 10 KB/s. I've never encountered
>>>>>> a dropoff like this before.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After I realized that the speed was dropping off, I stopped the FTP
>>>>>> server, and ran a speed test. My normal speedtest results are around
>>>>>> 1490 Kb/s down / 370 Kb/s up. While I'm talking, I yield results of
>>>>>> around 60 KB/s down / 100 KB/s up. If I end the conversation and run
>>>>>> another speed test, the numbers are back to normal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Striker" <anonymous@no.Spam> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:%2391Hd3MfEHA.2908@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Audio can easily take from 100-200 kb/sec depending on which codec
>>>>>>> is being used especially if both parties are using a broadband
>>>>>>> connection. How are you measuring your available upload and download
>>>>>>> bandwidth when you are in a audio chat?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "slim" <ezrathedog@hot-nospam-mail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:HbbRc.814$Po1.181@trndny08...
>>>>>>>> No. Nothing else is happening except for MSN chat....as soon as I
>>>>>>>> start talking, thats when both the download and upload decrease
>>>>>>>> dramitically.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Striker" <anonymous@no.Spam> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:OHb75sKfEHA.396@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> Is it possible that your upload speed is being constrained by the
>>>>>>>>> download bandwidth at the other end or by some internet paths in
>>>>>>>>> between?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "slim" <ezrathedog@hot-nospam-mail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:dC7Rc.306$dG.97@trndny02...
>>>>>>>>>>I am having problems with MSN Messenger and audio chat. It seems
>>>>>>>>>>now when I chat with someone, my bandwidth is dropping off
>>>>>>>>>>dramitically. My upload speed is dropping from about 370 Kb/s to
>>>>>>>>>>about 100 Kb/s.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I just upgraded to SP2 yesterday, so I'm not sure if that has
>>>>>>>>>> anything to do with it or if it's just a coincidence.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone have any suggestions as to why the audio chat is
>>>>>>>>>> using so much bandwidth?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



Re: Audio chat is killing my bandwidth by slim

slim
Sun Aug 08 19:49:27 CDT 2004

I've confirmed this behavior by checking a different
computer, with a fresh
install of XP with SP2 slipstreamed....nothing
installed on this
computer...started an audio chat using Windows
Messenger.....bandwidth
dropped down to almost nothing.

So the problem is with either SP2, or my ISP. I
wouldn't think it could be
my ISP.


"slim" <ezrathedog@hot-nospam-mail.com> wrote in message
news:CMyRc.1601$AA1.1260@trndny06...
> Still showing similiar results.
>
> I'm convenced that SP2 had a negative impact on MSN Messenger, especially
> being Yahoo Messenger works fine.
>
>
> "Striker" <anonymous@no.Spam> wrote in message
> news:ef$losWfEHA.3928@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>> To run the performance monitor go to start/run and enter "perfmon"
>> use the "+" icon on the toolbar to find and locate other parameters you
>> can monitor such as the upload and download counters for your network
>> card. It is possible that prfmon will give you more accurate then the
>> software you are using for testing.
>>
>> "slim" <ezrathedog@hot-nospam-mail.com> wrote in message
>> news:vRsRc.2493$K82.538@trndny01...
>>> Are you referring to the Networking tab within the Task Bar. I'm not
>>> exactly sure which numbers to monitor.
>>>
>>> I also discovered that my ftp server is not the problem. I turned my
>>> ftp server off and ran some speed tests. The results were completely
>>> out of wack.
>>>
>>> With my ftp server turned off, I started an audio conversation, ran a
>>> speed test, and my results were:
>>> 202 Kbps down / 438 Kbps up. This is very strange, because I've never
>>> gotten an upload of greater than 370 - 375. I confirmed these numbers
>>> by running a second speed test.
>>>
>>> Then I stopped my conversation, ran another speed test:
>>> 1472 Kbps down / 368 Kbps up.
>>>
>>> I also tried chatting with Yahoo Messenger, instead of MSN Messenger.
>>> Audio chat in Yahoo Messenger is barely affecting my bandwidth at all.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Striker" <anonymous@no.Spam> wrote in message
>>> news:efuzZ0VfEHA.704@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>>> My last post crossed your post above. Assuming you are on XP are you
>>>> able to use permmon to monitor the bandwidth to see what is actually
>>>> being used?
>>>>
>>>> "slim" <ezrathedog@hot-nospam-mail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:rxrRc.1035$Po1.730@trndny08...
>>>>>I don't think it should be using that much..it's never had this type of
>>>>>effect on my bandwidth. I can't imagine it's normal for it to suck up
>>>>>1,000 Kbs of downstream, and 270 Kbs of upstream.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Striker" <anonymous@no.Spam> wrote in message
>>>>> news:O58FHpPfEHA.3148@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>I think everything is running normally for you. Audio takes a heck of
>>>>>>a lot of bandwidth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "slim" <ezrathedog@hot-nospam-mail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:4vdRc.851$AA1.635@trndny06...
>>>>>>> The original way I saw that I was having a problem is: I run an FTP
>>>>>>> site. One person was downloading from me...typically they get a
>>>>>>> download rate of around 45 KB/s. As soon as I began speaking to
>>>>>>> someone, the rate dropped to around 10 KB/s. I've never encountered
>>>>>>> a dropoff like this before.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> After I realized that the speed was dropping off, I stopped the FTP
>>>>>>> server, and ran a speed test. My normal speedtest results are
>>>>>>> around 1490 Kb/s down / 370 Kb/s up. While I'm talking, I yield
>>>>>>> results of around 60 KB/s down / 100 KB/s up. If I end the
>>>>>>> conversation and run another speed test, the numbers are back to
>>>>>>> normal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Striker" <anonymous@no.Spam> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:%2391Hd3MfEHA.2908@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> Audio can easily take from 100-200 kb/sec depending on which codec
>>>>>>>> is being used especially if both parties are using a broadband
>>>>>>>> connection. How are you measuring your available upload and
>>>>>>>> download bandwidth when you are in a audio chat?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "slim" <ezrathedog@hot-nospam-mail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:HbbRc.814$Po1.181@trndny08...
>>>>>>>>> No. Nothing else is happening except for MSN chat....as soon as I
>>>>>>>>> start talking, thats when both the download and upload decrease
>>>>>>>>> dramitically.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Striker" <anonymous@no.Spam> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:OHb75sKfEHA.396@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>> Is it possible that your upload speed is being constrained by the
>>>>>>>>>> download bandwidth at the other end or by some internet paths in
>>>>>>>>>> between?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "slim" <ezrathedog@hot-nospam-mail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:dC7Rc.306$dG.97@trndny02...
>>>>>>>>>>>I am having problems with MSN Messenger and audio chat. It seems
>>>>>>>>>>>now when I chat with someone, my bandwidth is dropping off
>>>>>>>>>>>dramitically. My upload speed is dropping from about 370 Kb/s to
>>>>>>>>>>>about 100 Kb/s.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I just upgraded to SP2 yesterday, so I'm not sure if that has
>>>>>>>>>>> anything to do with it or if it's just a coincidence.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone have any suggestions as to why the audio chat is
>>>>>>>>>>> using so much bandwidth?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



Re: Audio chat is killing my bandwidth by Stephen

Stephen
Sun Aug 08 23:25:59 CDT 2004


"slim" <ezrathedog@hot-nospam-mail.com> wrote in message
news:CMyRc.1601$AA1.1260@trndny06...
> Still showing similiar results.
>
> I'm convenced that SP2 had a negative impact on MSN Messenger, especially
> being Yahoo Messenger works fine.
>
> >> I also tried chatting with Yahoo Messenger, instead of MSN Messenger.
> >> Audio chat in Yahoo Messenger is barely affecting my bandwidth at all.
> >>

Yahoo Messenger and MSN Messenger don't use the same technology
for providing audio. If you have win xp, Skype provides excellent audio
and can be used at the same time as MSN video; RealTunnel also works
to provide good audio (both are free) and works for win98 also.

Skype and RealTunnel also use different technologies so I would expect
differences in bandwidth to appear. If you use Google groups to explore
this you will find that lots of people can use audio with Yahoo Messenger
(dedicated central audio server) that cannot use audio with MSN Messenger.

There may be a relationship between sp2 and MSN audio, but using
Yahoo to confirm this relationship is not logically valid. You have not
collected enough information to conjecture a cause and effect pattern.
IOW, I think it is 99+% likely that Yahoo audio consumed less
bandwidth, MSN more audio bandwidth, before SP2 came into existence.
Direct connections require more resources to power the signal.

Jonathan Kay
Windows MVP, Messenger
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
wrote:

"I'm afraid I can't really agree with you on AOL/AIM, there are plenty of
features that simply
won't work (although the latest 5.2 versions are better then before). With
Yahoo, nearly
every single function (including audio/video) has a server backup -- that
being, if both
sides can't connect to each other, then it uses a central server to send
files, send audio,
and send video. However, there are several problems -- the quality isn't
very great
(especially for the video), a lot of the time the servers are busy
(especially for the audio)
and there are restrictions (like 1MB maximum for files).

MSN Messenger 6 does allow you to send files of any size (through the
Messenger server) and use the 'Webcam' functionality via a server if both
sides can't connect,
**but audio is still limited to direct connections.**

Also, both Windows Messenger and MSN Messenger 4 (and above) support
Universal Plug and Play (UPnP), so that even if both sides are blocked (say
via firewalls/routers or another NAT-type situation), if the NAT supports
UPnP (which more and more are), it can establish a direct connection and
avoid using a central server completely.
_________________________________________________________________

SH:These issues are complicated and interest me. I had the good fortune
to find this very recent documentation that goes into quite a bit of detail.
www.ero.dk/documentation/docs/doc98/official/Word/ECCREP050.DOC


Then slim wrote:
I've confirmed this behavior by checking a different
computer, with a fresh
install of XP with SP2 slipstreamed....nothing
installed on this
computer...started an audio chat using Windows
Messenger.....bandwidth
dropped down to almost nothing.

SH replies: Your first post started with
"I am having problems with MSN Messenger and audio chat."

Windows Messenger and MSN Messenger are two different
programs, so if your last post is accurate, you didn't test the
application that you reported is stealing your bandwidth.

Supposing you meant MSN Messenger instead of WM,
this establishes that SP2 has nothing to do with the loss of
bandwidth. "slipstreamed" means that SP2 is included in
the installation. That it works properly now, starting from
a fresh install, means your configuration was bad prior
to the introduction of SP2. IOW, this problem was caused
by some prior change you made to a default configuration which
you just made and now apparently works.

You started with an unlikely troubleshooting premise about
the cause of the problem and then confirmed this premise
by making the opposite conclusion that you should have
made from the result obtained from a fresh install and SP2.

Troubleshooting requires critical thinking and objectivity,
Stephen





Re: Audio chat is killing my bandwidth by Stephen

Stephen
Mon Aug 09 00:43:28 CDT 2004


"slim" <ezrathedog@hot-nospam-mail.com> wrote in message
news:CMyRc.1601$AA1.1260@trndny06...
> Still showing similiar results.
>
> I'm convenced that SP2 had a negative impact on MSN Messenger, especially
> being Yahoo Messenger works fine.
>

There were problems with MSN Messenger and bandwidth before SP2 and March
2004.
The email below is dated March 30, 2004, before I received any SP2 windows
updates.

Search Result 2
From: Michael (michael519@compuserve.com)
Subject: Audio and Bandwidth Problems
This is the only article in this thread
View: Original Format
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.messenger
Date: 2004-03-30 00:26:56 PST


I chat every day with my friend in Russia. We both have MSN Messenger
6.1

When we first started to chat about 6 months ago, I was able to
receive audio from him when HE clicked on his audio icon, but this was
not consistent. Many times he would send, and send, and send, and I
would get no audio. When he sent to me though, he could hear me.

If *I* sent HIM audio, then i could hear him and he could hear me,
always.

But back then it seemed we were losing his cam signal so often that we
looked for other cam options. Netmeeting was ok, the video quality was
not so great, and the audio was intermittent. We used Eyeball while
chatting in MSN Messenger and it really seemed like a great solution.
Until he saw his internet bill. He pays for received bandwidth usage
(sending is included). We were using about 150-300MB per day (for
maybe 4-6 hours of chat time).

We installed a program that checks bandwidth and noticed that when we
went back to MSN Messenger and used the audio/video there, the
bandwidth dropped to about 10-30MB per day.

Then in March, the bandwidth spiked to about 50-70MB per day. Nothing
has changed on either of our computers, and he mostly does NOT access
other internet sites or chat with anyone else. Only maybe to check his
mail on a webserver, but he did that before as well.

While we can't rule out some virus that is loading things on his end,
the change seemed pretty steep.

I wondered if maybe his sending ME audio would help this, rather than
me send him (even though the bandwidth was small in February with me
sending). When we tried, the old problem happened, this time without
any success.

He cannot send me audio. He can hear me, but I cannot hear him.
Interestingly, once he initiates a send audio and it fails, I am
unable to send him audio. We both re-boot, then I send him audio and
all is ok. I hear him, he hears me. But something gets knocked out
when he send me other than him being able to hear me.

QoS Packet Scheduler is "unchecked". We both use the Logitech Quickcam
Pro 4000. Short of him updating his Logitech driver, is there anything
else we can do about the audio. And also, might there be something
else to look at that can explain this recent surge in bandwidth?

Sorry for the post being so lengthy.

Thanks,
Michael

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----



Re: Bandwitdh may not be the controlling resource. by Stephen

Stephen
Mon Aug 09 01:11:29 CDT 2004


"Striker" <anonymous@no.Spam> wrote in message
news:%23OaL$xVfEHA.3964@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> CPU contention could also possibly be the cause of your problem. The
audio
> codecs use a lot of cpu power and messenger audio runs at a very high
> priority. This could mean that your FTP server is not getting enough time
> slices to use the available remaining upload available after the audio
chat.
> I assume that you have to be actually talking or listening to have the FTP
> slowdown and there is not a possibility of either of you consuming large
> amounts of bandwidth with background noise.
> A hyper-threaded CPU would most likely solve a CPU contention problem or
> more memory would solve a memory contention problem but I assume you have
at
> least 256MB of memory.
>
> "Striker" <anonymous@no.Spam> wrote in message
> news:O58FHpPfEHA.3148@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> >I think everything is running normally for you. Audio takes a heck of a
> >lot of bandwidth.
> >

I think the second paragraph of Jonathon Kay's post agrees with this
possibility.

Search Result 9
From: Jonathan Kay [MVP] (msnewsreplies@jonathankay.com)
Subject: Re: 6.1.0211 automatically signs-out
View: Complete Thread (3 articles)
Original Format
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.msn.messenger
Date: 2004-06-25 14:17:30 PST


Greetings Jin,

Firstly, you may want to upgrade to MSN Messenger 6.2, not that I'm aware of
anything
specific in 6.2 which would assist you, but it's worth a try:
http://messenger.msn.com/Download

Secondly, you may just be experiencing a lack of bandwidth since you're
using audio/video connections -- it could even be your internet service
provider's bandwidth throttling scheme.

Thirdly, since you mentioned that you don't have another computer using the
same Passport,
are you seeing the "You signed in on another computer" message? If so, and
you're using
Windows XP, Windows Messenger may be loading in the background. If this is
the case, you'll
simply need to disable Windows Messenger. To do so, open it up (click
Start, then Run, type
"msmsgs" and click OK), click Tools, Options, Preferences tab and uncheck
'Run this
Programwhen Windows starts' or 'Run Windows Messenger when Windows starts'
(depending on
version) as well as 'Allow this program to run in the background' or 'Allow
Windows Messenger
to run in the background' (depending on version).

Also, recent versions of Norton Antivirus added a new "instant messaging
scanning" feature,
which can conflict with Messenger and cause it to also keep starting. To
stop it, open Norton
Antivirus (Right-click on the Norton Antivirus icon in the System
Tray/Notification Area (by
the clock), choose 'Open Norton Antivirus'), click Options, then Instant
Messenger then
uncheck MSN Instant Messenger and click OK.
____________________________________________
Jonathan Kay
Microsoft MVP - MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
All posts unless otherwise specified are (c) 2004 Jonathan Kay.
You *must* contact me for redistribution rights.

"Jin" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:2174901c45ad0$c21eeac0$a101280a@phx.gbl...
> Hi, I have Messenger 6.1.0211 but every once a while as I
> am in a middle of on-line chat the program will
> automatically signs out by itself which then ends up
> killing all my audio/video connections. How do I tell it
> not to sign out?
>
> I do NOT have another computer running with the same
> passport userID.
>
> Thanks in advance!
> Jim'MaxAVBitrate'Stephen



Re: Bandwitdh may not be the controlling resource. by slim

slim
Mon Aug 09 07:30:19 CDT 2004

My CPU power when in audio chat is not being consumed greatly, in fact it's
less than 5-10%. NAV is not interfering as I have the IM services shut off.
I've confirmed that there is a problem by using a second computer, with a
fresh install of XP with SP2 slipstreamed, with no other software installed,
same problem.

I can understand that it would take some bandwidth to use the audio chat
feature, but the numbers from various speed tests that I am yielding are
ridiculous. As I mentioned, the numbers before entering chat are: 1472 Kbps
down / 368 Kbps up, and after starting chat are: 202 Kbps down / 438 Kbps
up, and the moment I turn off the chat, back to normal. I've confirmed this
with several speed tests available to dsl reports.

I am going to do some more work on it tonight, and will reinstall XP SP1, in
the second computer I have (with no other programs), reconnect to chat and
see what my results are, although, I am confident that there will be no
problems with SP1.


"Stephen Harris" <stephen.p.harris@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:lAERc.2622$Tc6.240@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com...
>
> "Striker" <anonymous@no.Spam> wrote in message
> news:%23OaL$xVfEHA.3964@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> CPU contention could also possibly be the cause of your problem. The
> audio
>> codecs use a lot of cpu power and messenger audio runs at a very high
>> priority. This could mean that your FTP server is not getting enough
>> time
>> slices to use the available remaining upload available after the audio
> chat.
>> I assume that you have to be actually talking or listening to have the
>> FTP
>> slowdown and there is not a possibility of either of you consuming large
>> amounts of bandwidth with background noise.
>> A hyper-threaded CPU would most likely solve a CPU contention problem or
>> more memory would solve a memory contention problem but I assume you have
> at
>> least 256MB of memory.
>>
>> "Striker" <anonymous@no.Spam> wrote in message
>> news:O58FHpPfEHA.3148@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> >I think everything is running normally for you. Audio takes a heck of a
>> >lot of bandwidth.
>> >
>
> I think the second paragraph of Jonathon Kay's post agrees with this
> possibility.
>
> Search Result 9
> From: Jonathan Kay [MVP] (msnewsreplies@jonathankay.com)
> Subject: Re: 6.1.0211 automatically signs-out
> View: Complete Thread (3 articles)
> Original Format
> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.msn.messenger
> Date: 2004-06-25 14:17:30 PST
>
>
> Greetings Jin,
>
> Firstly, you may want to upgrade to MSN Messenger 6.2, not that I'm aware
> of
> anything
> specific in 6.2 which would assist you, but it's worth a try:
> http://messenger.msn.com/Download
>
> Secondly, you may just be experiencing a lack of bandwidth since you're
> using audio/video connections -- it could even be your internet service
> provider's bandwidth throttling scheme.
>
> Thirdly, since you mentioned that you don't have another computer using
> the
> same Passport,
> are you seeing the "You signed in on another computer" message? If so,
> and
> you're using
> Windows XP, Windows Messenger may be loading in the background. If this
> is
> the case, you'll
> simply need to disable Windows Messenger. To do so, open it up (click
> Start, then Run, type
> "msmsgs" and click OK), click Tools, Options, Preferences tab and uncheck
> 'Run this
> Programwhen Windows starts' or 'Run Windows Messenger when Windows starts'
> (depending on
> version) as well as 'Allow this program to run in the background' or
> 'Allow
> Windows Messenger
> to run in the background' (depending on version).
>
> Also, recent versions of Norton Antivirus added a new "instant messaging
> scanning" feature,
> which can conflict with Messenger and cause it to also keep starting. To
> stop it, open Norton
> Antivirus (Right-click on the Norton Antivirus icon in the System
> Tray/Notification Area (by
> the clock), choose 'Open Norton Antivirus'), click Options, then Instant
> Messenger then
> uncheck MSN Instant Messenger and click OK.
> ____________________________________________
> Jonathan Kay
> Microsoft MVP - MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger
> Associate Expert
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> All posts unless otherwise specified are (c) 2004 Jonathan Kay.
> You *must* contact me for redistribution rights.
>
> "Jin" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:2174901c45ad0$c21eeac0$a101280a@phx.gbl...
>> Hi, I have Messenger 6.1.0211 but every once a while as I
>> am in a middle of on-line chat the program will
>> automatically signs out by itself which then ends up
>> killing all my audio/video connections. How do I tell it
>> not to sign out?
>>
>> I do NOT have another computer running with the same
>> passport userID.
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>> Jim'MaxAVBitrate'Stephen
>
>



Re: Bandwitdh may not be the controlling resource. by Stephen

Stephen
Mon Aug 09 07:55:03 CDT 2004


"slim" <ezrathedog@hot-nospam-mail.com> wrote in message
news:v7KRc.2905$K82.1648@trndny01...
> My CPU power when in audio chat is not being consumed greatly, in fact
it's
> less than 5-10%. NAV is not interfering as I have the IM services shut
off.
> I've confirmed that there is a problem by using a second computer, with a
> fresh install of XP with SP2 slipstreamed, with no other software
installed,
> same problem.
>

I must have misunderstood what you meant by this post:

"I've confirmed this behavior by checking a different
computer, with a fresh
install of XP with SP2 slipstreamed....nothing
installed on this
computer...started an audio chat using Windows
Messenger.....bandwidth
dropped down to almost nothing"

> I can understand that it would take some bandwidth to use the audio chat
> feature, but the numbers from various speed tests that I am yielding are
> ridiculous. As I mentioned, the numbers before entering chat are: 1472
Kbps
> down / 368 Kbps up, and after starting chat are: 202 Kbps down / 438 Kbps
> up, and the moment I turn off the chat, back to normal. I've confirmed
this
> with several speed tests available to dsl reports.
>

Since this was a fresh install that means there were no other apps that
borrow
your bandwidth like Skype or file sharing programs (without you knowing).

Also I think you mean the whole SP2 upgrade, rather than just the upgrades
labelled sp2 that were part of windows xp upgrading on a weekly basis.

So many people have the sp2 updates installed that use MSN 6.2 that
somebody else would have experienced a similar problem to yours and
reported it. However, that is not the case with the major SP2 upgrade
of 266mb. I think that is going to be released tomorrow and many people
will download and use it for the first time in conjuction with MSN 6.2

If you are correct, what should follow is confirmation of your diagnosis
since some other people should experience the same symptoms as
there will be a lot more test cases.

> I am going to do some more work on it tonight, and will reinstall XP SP1,
in
> the second computer I have (with no other programs), reconnect to chat and
> see what my results are, although, I am confident that there will be no
> problems with SP1.
>

I think Jonathon Kay commented that SP2 comes with an upgraded
firewall (ICF) which is automatically enabled. And that under I think
Advanced there are options to check and one of them is MSN 6.2.
I think the MSN 6.2 option is also supposed to be automatically checked.

But this seems like an all or nothing deal, not a diminishing of bandwidth.

I await your results "with bated breath and whisp'ring humbleness,"
Stephen



Re: Bandwitdh may not be the controlling resource. by slim

slim
Mon Aug 09 09:35:39 CDT 2004

Yes, it is the full SP2, RTM build 2180.

I'm gonna try three different avenues that I can think of tonight.

First, I'll completely turn off the firewall (the enhanced firewall that
comes with SP2) to see if that helps.
I'll also try hooking my dsl modem up via usb, as opposed to the internal
ethernet card..
Then I'll try doing a fresh install of XP with SP1 slipstreamed, test it, if
it works, I'll do the SP2 upgrade right after to see if that is the real
culprit.

SP2 seems to do a lot of changes on how the networks work, so I'm suspecting
that maybe some settings were changed with SP2 that would need to be
manually changed back.

I'll report my findings tonight.

"Stephen Harris" <stephen.p.harris@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:HuKRc.4783$tX3.113@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com...
>
> "slim" <ezrathedog@hot-nospam-mail.com> wrote in message
> news:v7KRc.2905$K82.1648@trndny01...
>> My CPU power when in audio chat is not being consumed greatly, in fact
> it's
>> less than 5-10%. NAV is not interfering as I have the IM services shut
> off.
>> I've confirmed that there is a problem by using a second computer, with a
>> fresh install of XP with SP2 slipstreamed, with no other software
> installed,
>> same problem.
>>
>
> I must have misunderstood what you meant by this post:
>
> "I've confirmed this behavior by checking a different
> computer, with a fresh
> install of XP with SP2 slipstreamed....nothing
> installed on this
> computer...started an audio chat using Windows
> Messenger.....bandwidth
> dropped down to almost nothing"
>
>> I can understand that it would take some bandwidth to use the audio chat
>> feature, but the numbers from various speed tests that I am yielding are
>> ridiculous. As I mentioned, the numbers before entering chat are: 1472
> Kbps
>> down / 368 Kbps up, and after starting chat are: 202 Kbps down / 438 Kbps
>> up, and the moment I turn off the chat, back to normal. I've confirmed
> this
>> with several speed tests available to dsl reports.
>>
>
> Since this was a fresh install that means there were no other apps that
> borrow
> your bandwidth like Skype or file sharing programs (without you knowing).
>
> Also I think you mean the whole SP2 upgrade, rather than just the upgrades
> labelled sp2 that were part of windows xp upgrading on a weekly basis.
>
> So many people have the sp2 updates installed that use MSN 6.2 that
> somebody else would have experienced a similar problem to yours and
> reported it. However, that is not the case with the major SP2 upgrade
> of 266mb. I think that is going to be released tomorrow and many people
> will download and use it for the first time in conjuction with MSN 6.2
>
> If you are correct, what should follow is confirmation of your diagnosis
> since some other people should experience the same symptoms as
> there will be a lot more test cases.
>
>> I am going to do some more work on it tonight, and will reinstall XP SP1,
> in
>> the second computer I have (with no other programs), reconnect to chat
>> and
>> see what my results are, although, I am confident that there will be no
>> problems with SP1.
>>
>
> I think Jonathon Kay commented that SP2 comes with an upgraded
> firewall (ICF) which is automatically enabled. And that under I think
> Advanced there are options to check and one of them is MSN 6.2.
> I think the MSN 6.2 option is also supposed to be automatically checked.
>
> But this seems like an all or nothing deal, not a diminishing of
> bandwidth.
>
> I await your results "with bated breath and whisp'ring humbleness,"
> Stephen
>
>



Re: Bandwitdh may not be the controlling resource. by Striker

Striker
Mon Aug 09 10:29:40 CDT 2004

Your problem is certainly a challenge. Something is apparently causing a
high packet transmission rate or retransmission rate due to errors and
whatever it is appears to be SP2 dependent.Here are some other ideas.
Turn off anti-virus if you have it in addition to the firewall.
Try and determine if there is a large difference in packet counts between
MSN Messenger and Yahoo Messenger using either Perfmon or the taskbar icon.
Do not make any changes to the SP2 default changes prior to some testing
especially items like the MTU size.
You might try Windows Messenger as well as MSN Messenger to see if one
behaves differently.
Hopefully you will have good news to report tonight.


"slim" <ezrathedog@hot-nospam-mail.com> wrote in message
news:%YLRc.1896$Po1.1313@trndny08...
> Yes, it is the full SP2, RTM build 2180.
>
> I'm gonna try three different avenues that I can think of tonight.
>
> First, I'll completely turn off the firewall (the enhanced firewall that
> comes with SP2) to see if that helps.
> I'll also try hooking my dsl modem up via usb, as opposed to the internal
> ethernet card..
> Then I'll try doing a fresh install of XP with SP1 slipstreamed, test it,
> if it works, I'll do the SP2 upgrade right after to see if that is the
> real culprit.
>
> SP2 seems to do a lot of changes on how the networks work, so I'm
> suspecting that maybe some settings were changed with SP2 that would need
> to be manually changed back.
>
> I'll report my findings tonight.
>
> "Stephen Harris" <stephen.p.harris@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:HuKRc.4783$tX3.113@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com...
>>
>> "slim" <ezrathedog@hot-nospam-mail.com> wrote in message
>> news:v7KRc.2905$K82.1648@trndny01...
>>> My CPU power when in audio chat is not being consumed greatly, in fact
>> it's
>>> less than 5-10%. NAV is not interfering as I have the IM services shut
>> off.
>>> I've confirmed that there is a problem by using a second computer, with
>>> a
>>> fresh install of XP with SP2 slipstreamed, with no other software
>> installed,
>>> same problem.
>>>
>>
>> I must have misunderstood what you meant by this post:
>>
>> "I've confirmed this behavior by checking a different
>> computer, with a fresh
>> install of XP with SP2 slipstreamed....nothing
>> installed on this
>> computer...started an audio chat using Windows
>> Messenger.....bandwidth
>> dropped down to almost nothing"
>>
>>> I can understand that it would take some bandwidth to use the audio chat
>>> feature, but the numbers from various speed tests that I am yielding are
>>> ridiculous. As I mentioned, the numbers before entering chat are: 1472
>> Kbps
>>> down / 368 Kbps up, and after starting chat are: 202 Kbps down / 438
>>> Kbps
>>> up, and the moment I turn off the chat, back to normal. I've confirmed
>> this
>>> with several speed tests available to dsl reports.
>>>
>>
>> Since this was a fresh install that means there were no other apps that
>> borrow
>> your bandwidth like Skype or file sharing programs (without you knowing).
>>
>> Also I think you mean the whole SP2 upgrade, rather than just the
>> upgrades
>> labelled sp2 that were part of windows xp upgrading on a weekly basis.
>>
>> So many people have the sp2 updates installed that use MSN 6.2 that
>> somebody else would have experienced a similar problem to yours and
>> reported it. However, that is not the case with the major SP2 upgrade
>> of 266mb. I think that is going to be released tomorrow and many people
>> will download and use it for the first time in conjuction with MSN 6.2
>>
>> If you are correct, what should follow is confirmation of your diagnosis
>> since some other people should experience the same symptoms as
>> there will be a lot more test cases.
>>
>>> I am going to do some more work on it tonight, and will reinstall XP
>>> SP1,
>> in
>>> the second computer I have (with no other programs), reconnect to chat
>>> and
>>> see what my results are, although, I am