security+ - does that seem right?

Ok, I am looking at the MCSE security requirements. Why Security+ but not
CISSP? That doesn't seem to make sense to me. Anyone know the logic behind
it?

Thanks,

Matt

catwalker63
Sun Apr 08 20:45:24 CDT 2007

Matt Pardo piffled away vaguely:

> Ok, I am looking at the MCSE security requirements. Why Security+ but not
> CISSP? That doesn't seem to make sense to me. Anyone know the logic behind
> it?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Matt
Maybe because someone who's got an CISSP doesn't go back and get an
MCSE. That would be illogical.
--

Catwalker
MCNGP #43
www.mcngp.com
"I have a gun. It's loaded. Shut up."

MattPardo
Sun Apr 08 20:54:00 CDT 2007


How would that be illogical?

"catwalker63" wrote:

> Matt Pardo piffled away vaguely:
>
> > Ok, I am looking at the MCSE security requirements. Why Security+ but not
> > CISSP? That doesn't seem to make sense to me. Anyone know the logic behind
> > it?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Matt
> Maybe because someone who's got an CISSP doesn't go back and get an
> MCSE. That would be illogical.
> --
>
> Catwalker
> MCNGP #43
> www.mcngp.com
> "I have a gun. It's loaded. Shut up."
>
>

Consultant
Mon Apr 09 09:42:15 CDT 2007

every cissp i know is a complete idiot when it comes to ms products. come to
think of it, they are just idiots. the whole security consultant gig is a
big scam

"Matt Pardo" <MattPardo@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:593A3CC6-070E-4D6D-A4C0-7F3355D9D234@microsoft.com...
>
> How would that be illogical?
>
> "catwalker63" wrote:
>
>> Matt Pardo piffled away vaguely:
>>
>> > Ok, I am looking at the MCSE security requirements. Why Security+ but
>> > not
>> > CISSP? That doesn't seem to make sense to me. Anyone know the logic
>> > behind
>> > it?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Matt
>> Maybe because someone who's got an CISSP doesn't go back and get an
>> MCSE. That would be illogical.
>> --
>>
>> Catwalker
>> MCNGP #43
>> www.mcngp.com
>> "I have a gun. It's loaded. Shut up."
>>
>>

Joe
Mon Apr 09 13:29:00 CDT 2007

Yeah right......sour grapes et al....


"Consultant" <consultant_mcngp@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:%23sZi5UreHHA.1244@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> every cissp i know is a complete idiot when it comes to ms products. come
to
> think of it, they are just idiots. the whole security consultant gig is a
> big scam
>
> "Matt Pardo" <MattPardo@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:593A3CC6-070E-4D6D-A4C0-7F3355D9D234@microsoft.com...
> >
> > How would that be illogical?
> >
> > "catwalker63" wrote:
> >
> >> Matt Pardo piffled away vaguely:
> >>
> >> > Ok, I am looking at the MCSE security requirements. Why Security+ but
> >> > not
> >> > CISSP? That doesn't seem to make sense to me. Anyone know the logic
> >> > behind
> >> > it?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> >
> >> > Matt
> >> Maybe because someone who's got an CISSP doesn't go back and get an
> >> MCSE. That would be illogical.
> >> --
> >>
> >> Catwalker
> >> MCNGP #43
> >> www.mcngp.com
> >> "I have a gun. It's loaded. Shut up."
> >>
> >>
>
>

catwalker63
Mon Apr 09 13:33:21 CDT 2007

Matt Pardo piffled away vaguely:

>
> How would that be illogical?
>

The CISSP is an real elite certification, properly protected. The MCSE
and Security+ are not. They are not remotely in the same league and
they don't use the same system. A CISSP does not need an MCSE. It's
like graduating from college and then going to kindergarten.
--

Catwalker
MCNGP #43
www.mcngp.com
"I have a gun. It's loaded. Shut up."

Frisbee®
Mon Apr 09 13:40:23 CDT 2007

"catwalker63" <_catwalker63_@hotmamamail.com> wrote in message
news:mbidnZuXybRsG4fbnZ2dnUVZ_s6onZ2d@comcast.com...
> Matt Pardo piffled away vaguely:
>
>>
>> How would that be illogical?
>>
>
> The CISSP is an real elite certification, properly protected. The MCSE
> and Security+ are not. They are not remotely in the same league and
> they don't use the same system. A CISSP does not need an MCSE. It's
> like graduating from college and then going to kindergarten.

So basically, if you're planning on teaching at Kindergarten, you need to
get your CISSP first, then get your MCSE?

Children Is Such Saintly Peaches, then More Children Standing Everywhere.

catwalker63
Mon Apr 09 15:13:15 CDT 2007

Frisbee® piffled away vaguely:

> "catwalker63" <_catwalker63_@hotmamamail.com> wrote in message
> news:mbidnZuXybRsG4fbnZ2dnUVZ_s6onZ2d@comcast.com...
>> The CISSP is an real elite certification, properly protected. The MCSE
>> and Security+ are not. They are not remotely in the same league and
>> they don't use the same system. A CISSP does not need an MCSE. It's
>> like graduating from college and then going to kindergarten.
>
> So basically, if you're planning on teaching at Kindergarten, you need to
> get your CISSP first, then get your MCSE?
>
> Children Is Such Saintly Peaches, then More Children Standing Everywhere.
>
TMML
--

Catwalker
MCNGP #43
www.mcngp.com
"I have a gun. It's loaded. Shut up."

Consultant
Tue Apr 10 14:29:54 CDT 2007

not at all

"Joe" <joe@dontudarespam.com> wrote in message
news:%23QDbcQteHHA.4020@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Yeah right......sour grapes et al....
>
>
> "Consultant" <consultant_mcngp@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:%23sZi5UreHHA.1244@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> every cissp i know is a complete idiot when it comes to ms products. come
> to
>> think of it, they are just idiots. the whole security consultant gig is a
>> big scam
>>
>> "Matt Pardo" <MattPardo@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:593A3CC6-070E-4D6D-A4C0-7F3355D9D234@microsoft.com...
>> >
>> > How would that be illogical?
>> >
>> > "catwalker63" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Matt Pardo piffled away vaguely:
>> >>
>> >> > Ok, I am looking at the MCSE security requirements. Why Security+
>> >> > but
>> >> > not
>> >> > CISSP? That doesn't seem to make sense to me. Anyone know the logic
>> >> > behind
>> >> > it?
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks,
>> >> >
>> >> > Matt
>> >> Maybe because someone who's got an CISSP doesn't go back and get an
>> >> MCSE. That would be illogical.
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> Catwalker
>> >> MCNGP #43
>> >> www.mcngp.com
>> >> "I have a gun. It's loaded. Shut up."
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>
>

Grog
Wed Apr 11 11:38:50 CDT 2007

"Matt Pardo" <MattPardo@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:466D699E-9893-4770-A131-46CC7C804C99@microsoft.com...
> Ok, I am looking at the MCSE security requirements. Why Security+ but not
> CISSP? That doesn't seem to make sense to me. Anyone know the logic behind
> it?
>

I have no idea where some people get their information but much posted here
is simply wrong. I got my MCSE several years ago and the MCSE:Security as
soon as it was available. I got the CISSP mid 2006. The certs are
completely unrelated. MCSE shows you know what you're doing with Microsoft
products. The CISSP has absolutely nothing to do with Microsoft products
but rather security policy, encryption, disaster recovery, physical
security, access control, legal and regulatory issues, telecomm, etc. Not
one word about networking or Windows.

https://www.isc2.org/cgi-bin/request_studyguide.cgi?displaycategory=694

Grog

Neil
Wed Apr 11 11:53:21 CDT 2007

did you hear "Grog in Ohio" <Nospam@nothanks.com> say in
news:eLd5jfFfHHA.4064@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:

> Not
> one word about networking or Windows.
>

OH! So it's a useful cert...

*snigger*

*runs from certification police*

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- I object to sex on TV. I keep falling off!

Neil
Wed Apr 11 12:03:22 CDT 2007

did you hear Neil <guess!!!@gmail.com> say in
news:Xns990F831D9F00neilmcsegmailcom@207.46.248.16:

>
> OH! So it's a useful cert...
>
> *snigger*
>
> *runs from certification police*
>

I think I know now why I will never be an MVP

BWAHAHAHAHA!

--
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- Never test for an error that you don't know how to handle.

MitchS
Wed Apr 18 04:35:25 CDT 2007


"Neil" <guess!!!@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns990F831D9F00neilmcsegmailcom@207.46.248.16...
> *snigger*
>
> *runs from certification police*

*snigger*
what certification police?
--
MitchS

MitchS
Wed Apr 18 04:38:07 CDT 2007


"Neil" <guess!!!@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns990F84D0A323neilmcsegmailcom@207.46.248.16...
> I think I know now why I will never be an MVP
>
> BWAHAHAHAHA!

By the power not vested in me I now proclaim you an honorary Most Verbose
Poaster.
Let's celebrate.
*streamers fall, firework launch, and kegs are tapped*

--
MitchS

kpg
Wed Apr 18 08:04:50 CDT 2007

"MitchS" <Mitchis@home.com> wrote in news:OP11rzZgHHA.4416
@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:

> *snigger*

I don't think you can say that on the radio,

Jtyc
Wed Apr 18 10:17:39 CDT 2007

> I don't think you can say that on the radio,

You're thinking of "hoe".

Neil
Wed Apr 18 11:10:36 CDT 2007

did you hear kpg <no@spam.com> say in
news:Xns991652587ABA4ipostthereforeiam@207.46.248.16:

>> *snigger*
>
> I don't think you can say that on the radio,

sure, but I can call my homeboys whatever I want. I call them geeks
(though outside of IT that appearently is a derogitory term).

<fx=Wierd Al>
"look at me, I'm white and nerdy"
</fx>

--
The InterNeil MCNGP Triple X


- Just because I don't care doesn't meant I don't understand.

Neil
Wed Apr 18 12:39:26 CDT 2007

did you hear "Jtyc" <yo@respondtothegroup.com> say in
news:u3wSbycgHHA.4260@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:

> You're thinking of "hoe".

please see "corner gas"

"So we need a tourist attraction like a giant goose or something. We're a
farming community, what should we do?"

"How about a giant hoe?"

*snort*

"Since we're a farming community it could be a dirty hoe"

*guffaw*

"Who's going to maintain this thing? It might get broken or something?"

*under-breath* "Crack-hoe! We're thinking of having a giant dirty crack
hoe in the middle of town!"

--
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- Necessity is a mother.

catwalker63
Wed Apr 18 13:39:02 CDT 2007

MitchS piffled away vaguely:

>
> "Neil" <guess!!!@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns990F84D0A323neilmcsegmailcom@207.46.248.16...
>> I think I know now why I will never be an MVP
>>
>> BWAHAHAHAHA!
>
> By the power not vested in me I now proclaim you an honorary Most Verbose
> Poaster.
> Let's celebrate.
> *streamers fall, firework launch, and kegs are tapped*
>
Congratulations Neil! We're so proud of you!!!
--

Catwalker
MCNGP #43
www.mcngp.com
"I have a gun. It's loaded. Shut up."

Frisbee®
Wed Apr 18 14:00:28 CDT 2007

"catwalker63" <_catwalker63_@hotmamamail.com> wrote in message
news:TZCdnRHd181b-LvbnZ2dnUVZ_hisnZ2d@comcast.com...
> MitchS piffled away vaguely:
>
>>
>> "Neil" <guess!!!@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns990F84D0A323neilmcsegmailcom@207.46.248.16...
>>> I think I know now why I will never be an MVP
>>>
>>> BWAHAHAHAHA!
>>
>> By the power not vested in me I now proclaim you an honorary Most Verbose
>> Poaster.
>> Let's celebrate.
>> *streamers fall, firework launch, and kegs are tapped*
>>
> Congratulations Neil! We're so proud of you!!!

Compared to the Neil of yore, this one isn't even visible.

But then neither are any of us.

Lnkwizard2
Wed Apr 18 15:42:34 CDT 2007

"Neil" <guess!!!@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns99168AED2B00Bneilmcsegmailcom@207.46.248.16...
> did you hear "Jtyc" <yo@respondtothegroup.com> say in
> news:u3wSbycgHHA.4260@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:
>
>> You're thinking of "hoe".
>
> please see "corner gas"
>
> "So we need a tourist attraction like a giant goose or something. We're a
> farming community, what should we do?"
>
> "How about a giant hoe?"
>
> *snort*
>
> "Since we're a farming community it could be a dirty hoe"
>
> *guffaw*
>
> "Who's going to maintain this thing? It might get broken or something?"
>
> *under-breath* "Crack-hoe! We're thinking of having a giant dirty crack
> hoe in the middle of town!"
>
> --
>

Bragging about your hometown again, Neil?

MitchS
Wed Apr 18 18:23:23 CDT 2007


"kpg" <no@spam.com> wrote in message
news:Xns991652587ABA4ipostthereforeiam@207.46.248.16...
> "MitchS" <Mitchis@home.com> wrote in news:OP11rzZgHHA.4416
> @TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:
>
>> *snigger*
>
> I don't think you can say that on the radio,

Tune in to Mitchus in the morning as we discuss nappy headed *sniggers*

Is that wrong?

MitchS
Wed Apr 18 18:27:31 CDT 2007


"Frisbee®" <billLASTNAME@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:eBa%23FvegHHA.4916@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> "catwalker63" <_catwalker63_@hotmamamail.com> wrote in message
> news:TZCdnRHd181b-LvbnZ2dnUVZ_hisnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> MitchS piffled away vaguely:
>>
>>>
>>> "Neil" <guess!!!@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:Xns990F84D0A323neilmcsegmailcom@207.46.248.16...
>>>> I think I know now why I will never be an MVP
>>>>
>>>> BWAHAHAHAHA!
>>>
>>> By the power not vested in me I now proclaim you an honorary Most
>>> Verbose
>>> Poaster.
>>> Let's celebrate.
>>> *streamers fall, firework launch, and kegs are tapped*
>>>
>> Congratulations Neil! We're so proud of you!!!
>
> Compared to the Neil of yore, this one isn't even visible.

Well the thing is I've been gone many moon. And when I left we were still
on Interneil 1.something without tabbed browsing. Much more verbose than
the current version. If I remember correctly, in those days every poast was
either about Neil or by Neil.

--
MitchS

Neil
Wed Apr 18 19:07:42 CDT 2007

did you hear "Lnkwizard2" <lnk.wizard.nodots.2@hot.mail.com> say in
news:u1iaYofgHHA.2640@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:

> "Neil" <guess!!!@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns99168AED2B00Bneilmcsegmailcom@207.46.248.16...
>> did you hear "Jtyc" <yo@respondtothegroup.com> say in
>> news:u3wSbycgHHA.4260@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:
>>
>>> You're thinking of "hoe".
>>
>> please see "corner gas"
>>
>> "So we need a tourist attraction like a giant goose or something.
>> We're a farming community, what should we do?"
>>
>> "How about a giant hoe?"
>>
>> *snort*
>>
>> "Since we're a farming community it could be a dirty hoe"
>>
>> *guffaw*
>>
>> "Who's going to maintain this thing? It might get broken or
>> something?"
>>
>> *under-breath* "Crack-hoe! We're thinking of having a giant dirty
>> crack hoe in the middle of town!"
>>
>> --
>>
>
> Bragging about your hometown again, Neil?
>
>

um, again, see "Corner Gas".

Pleasing te be googling

--
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- THAT tagline is true ---> <--- THAT tagline is false

Neil
Wed Apr 18 19:14:13 CDT 2007

did you hear "Frisbee®" <billLASTNAME@yahoo.com> say in
news:eBa#FvegHHA.4916@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:

> Compared to the Neil of yore, this one isn't even visible.

I really don't have the time that I used to. a bit at lunch, sure, and some
at night, but I have so much work with the new job, I may never be the
poster of old. Still, my vow to abandon the group completely never happened
;)

--
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- Debrief: Wife listening while you talk in your sleep.

Neil
Wed Apr 18 19:17:05 CDT 2007

did you hear "MitchS" <Mitchis@home.com> say in news:um63pEhgHHA.4416
@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:

> If I remember correctly, in those days every poast was
> either about Neil or by Neil.
>

they still are, you just don't realize it.

--
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Triple X

- Thousands of years ago, cats were worshipped as gods. Cats have never
forgotten this.

catwalker63
Thu Apr 19 00:20:31 CDT 2007

Neil piffled away vaguely:

> did you hear "MitchS" <Mitchis@home.com> say in news:um63pEhgHHA.4416
> @TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:
>
>> If I remember correctly, in those days every poast was
>> either about Neil or by Neil.
>>
>
> they still are, you just don't realize it.
>
I thought I was the only one who noticed this.
--

Catwalker
MCNGP #43
www.mcngp.com
"I have a gun. It's loaded. Shut up."

Lnkwizard2
Thu Apr 19 08:49:19 CDT 2007

"Neil" <guess!!!@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9916CCC21ABF7neilmcsegmailcom@207.46.248.16...
> did you hear "Lnkwizard2" <lnk.wizard.nodots.2@hot.mail.com> say in
> news:u1iaYofgHHA.2640@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:
>
<snipped the excess>
>>
>> Bragging about your hometown again, Neil?
>>
>>
>
> um, again, see "Corner Gas".
>
> Pleasing te be googling
>
> --

Geez, give a guy a straight line and all he does is drop
it in the toilet. That should have been "3", c'mon
get with the program.

Neil
Thu Apr 19 15:59:13 CDT 2007

did you hear "Lnkwizard2" <lnk.wizard.nodots.2@hot.mail.com> say in
news:OxSqImogHHA.4980@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:

> That should have been "3", c'mon
> get with the program.
>

fine...

*BANG!*

--
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Triple X

- Short Cut: The longest distance between two points.

Neil
Thu Apr 19 15:59:45 CDT 2007

did you hear catwalker63 <_catwalker63_@hotmamamail.com> say in
news:Bv6dnQub2rOCYbvbnZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@comcast.com:

> I thought I was the only one who noticed this.

at least you noticed...

--
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Triple X



- Member of PETA - People for the Eating of Tasty Animals

Lnkwizard2
Thu Apr 19 16:29:19 CDT 2007

"Neil" <guess!!!@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9917ACCCD8EC0neilmcsegmailcom@207.46.248.16...
> did you hear "Lnkwizard2" <lnk.wizard.nodots.2@hot.mail.com> say in
> news:OxSqImogHHA.4980@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:
>
>> That should have been "3", c'mon
>> get with the program.
>>
>
> fine...
>
> *BANG!*
>
> --

Three feet (approximately 1 meter) and you still missed.
You need some new glasses or something.

Neil
Thu Apr 19 18:27:10 CDT 2007

did you hear "Lnkwizard2" <lnk.wizard.nodots.2@hot.mail.com> say in
news:uPKiOnsgHHA.1244@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:

> "Neil" <guess!!!@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9917ACCCD8EC0neilmcsegmailcom@207.46.248.16...
>> did you hear "Lnkwizard2" <lnk.wizard.nodots.2@hot.mail.com> say in
>> news:OxSqImogHHA.4980@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:
>>
>>> That should have been "3", c'mon
>>> get with the program.
>>>
>>
>> fine...
>>
>> *BANG!*
>>
>> --
>
> Three feet (approximately 1 meter) and you still missed.
> You need some new glasses or something.
>
>
>

that's 1 (again)

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- Don't worry, the ground ahead is solid.

TechGeekPro
Wed Apr 25 12:31:34 CDT 2007

On Apr 18, 2007 at 11:17am "Jtyc" blathered:

> You're thinking of "hoe".

That's "nappy headed hoe" to you, Mr.

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Jtyc
Wed Apr 25 14:10:50 CDT 2007

> That's "nappy headed hoe" to you, Mr.


Are those the fiberglass ones? I have one of those, worth the extra money
if you ask me.