I've recently applied with Advent Computer Training
(http://www.adventtraining.co.uk/) and I was just curious if anybody knew if
it was 100% genuine or not?

There have been recent documentaries on how these companies are just scams
that give you a certificate that doesn't actually give you much of Career
chance.

I'd LOVE to get myself a qualification in IT and what Advent say this would
be perfect for me, however, after talking with people they're concerned I
could end up throwing away alot of money for a certificate that wont do me
much good.

If this is just a load of rubbish, I know this isn't the place for Careers
Advice, but how did you go about getting your paper work? Which method is
most secure and what's best for the long run in life?

All help is much appreciated.

Many thanks,
Paul.

Re: A question regarding Advent Computer Training - MCSE Certificate. by CBIC

CBIC
Mon Apr 21 12:55:46 CDT 2008


"D 4 Y v V" <D4YvV@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:DFC27584-B1FE-4259-A0DE-2733627E71F9@microsoft.com...
> I've recently applied with Advent Computer Training
> (http://www.adventtraining.co.uk/) and I was just curious if anybody knew
> if
> it was 100% genuine or not?
>
> There have been recent documentaries on how these companies are just scams
> that give you a certificate that doesn't actually give you much of Career
> chance.
>
> I'd LOVE to get myself a qualification in IT and what Advent say this
> would
> be perfect for me, however, after talking with people they're concerned I
> could end up throwing away alot of money for a certificate that wont do me
> much good.
>
> If this is just a load of rubbish, I know this isn't the place for Careers
> Advice, but how did you go about getting your paper work? Which method is
> most secure and what's best for the long run in life?
>
> All help is much appreciated.
>
> Many thanks,
> Paul.
>
>

It has been said many times in this group that a cert means nothing without
experience to back it up. Do you have experience with the product you want
to be certified in?



Re: A question regarding Advent Computer Training - MCSE Certifica by D4YvV

D4YvV
Mon Apr 21 13:17:00 CDT 2008

I don't actually have a cert yet..

I want to get into IT, but i'm just gathering my options at the moment to
see what's cheapest / easiest / the best way.

Obviously I want to get as much experince as I can, all I currently have is
What i've read about and put into practise myself being this system i'm using
now, built myself and solved problems by googling and emplimenting.

I'm just curious to how most proffesionals got into their Jobs that they
have now, how they got the certificates and so on.

Thanks,
Paul.

Re: A question regarding Advent Computer Training - MCSE Certifica by CBIC

CBIC
Mon Apr 21 13:54:46 CDT 2008


"D 4 Y v V" <D4YvV@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:180E581A-4C8E-4139-BC18-AF63B1D19D73@microsoft.com...
>I don't actually have a cert yet..
>
> I want to get into IT, but i'm just gathering my options at the moment to
> see what's cheapest / easiest / the best way.
>
> Obviously I want to get as much experince as I can, all I currently have
> is
> What i've read about and put into practise myself being this system i'm
> using
> now, built myself and solved problems by googling and emplimenting.
>
> I'm just curious to how most proffesionals got into their Jobs that they
> have now, how they got the certificates and so on.
>
> Thanks,
> Paul.

Regarding your above comment-I would forget about cheapest/easiest. If you
want to break into this field and do well you will have to earn it. Start at
the bottom, which in most organizations is helpdesk. Get familiar with
things and then get your MCDST or A+. You can gain experience to get your
first IT job by volunteering. I would also highly recommend a college
degree. Honestly ask yourself why you want to get into IT. Do you like
working hours that users don't, meaning nights and weekends doing
network/server upgrades? Do you like to help people? IT is a service
organization and if you don't like helping people (or faking) you'll burn
out quickly.



Re: A question regarding Advent Computer Training - MCSE Certifica by kpg

kpg
Mon Apr 21 14:21:17 CDT 2008

"CBIC" <spam.thisbiotch@gmail.com> wrote in
news:u1SesE#oIHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl:

>
> "D 4 Y v V" <D4YvV@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:180E581A-4C8E-4139-BC18-AF63B1D19D73@microsoft.com...
>>I don't actually have a cert yet..
>>
>> I want to get into IT, but i'm just gathering my options at the
>> moment to see what's cheapest / easiest / the best way.
>>
>> Obviously I want to get as much experince as I can, all I currently
>> have is
>> What i've read about and put into practise myself being this system
>> i'm using
>> now, built myself and solved problems by googling and emplimenting.
>>
>> I'm just curious to how most proffesionals got into their Jobs that
>> they have now, how they got the certificates and so on.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Paul.
>
> Regarding your above comment-I would forget about cheapest/easiest. If
> you want to break into this field and do well you will have to earn
> it. Start at the bottom, which in most organizations is helpdesk. Get
> familiar with things and then get your MCDST or A+. You can gain
> experience to get your first IT job by volunteering. I would also
> highly recommend a college degree. Honestly ask yourself why you want
> to get into IT. Do you like working hours that users don't, meaning
> nights and weekends doing network/server upgrades? Do you like to help
> people? IT is a service organization and if you don't like helping
> people (or faking) you'll burn out quickly.


Good advice. I happen to have people skills.


Re: A question regarding Advent Computer Training - MCSE Certifica by Jtyc

Jtyc
Mon Apr 21 14:24:22 CDT 2008

> I want to get into IT,

Don't do it... it's awful...




if we could just get rid of the users...

Re: A question regarding Advent Computer Training - MCSE Certifica by Jtyc

Jtyc
Mon Apr 21 14:26:18 CDT 2008

> Good advice. I happen to have people skills.

What is it you say you do here?



Re: A question regarding Advent Computer Training - MCSE Certifica by kpg

kpg
Mon Apr 21 14:31:58 CDT 2008

"Jtyc" <yo@respondtothegroup.com> wrote in news:Oc9aWW#oIHA.4848
@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl:

>> Good advice. I happen to have people skills.
>
> What is it you say you do here?

I am good at dealing with people. Can't you understand that?
What the hell is wrong with you people?

Re: A question regarding Advent Computer Training - MCSE Certifica by CBIC

CBIC
Mon Apr 21 14:31:59 CDT 2008


"Jtyc" <yo@respondtothegroup.com> wrote in message
news:Oc9aWW%23oIHA.4848@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Good advice. I happen to have people skills.
>
> What is it you say you do here?
>
>

I'll get back to you in a minute. Got a meeting with the Bobs.



Re: A question regarding Advent Computer Training - MCSE Certificate. by Steve

Steve
Mon Apr 21 14:39:11 CDT 2008

> I've recently applied with Advent Computer Training
> (http://www.adventtraining.co.uk/) and I was just curious if anybody knew
> if
> it was 100% genuine or not?

HI

If you are concerned about the training centre don't use them. It could be
an expensive waste of money and a bad experience of an IT training centre.
There are obviously plenty of other MS training organisations here in the
UK. We send our techies to Xpertise and also to Quanta. Where are you based
?

Check with their customer base, phone your account management team at the
centre and ask if you can talk to some of the previous delegates who
attended the courses and get a review from them to find out how the felt the
course went and what their previous IT experience was before hand

Hope this helps

Steve


"D 4 Y v V" <D4YvV@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:DFC27584-B1FE-4259-A0DE-2733627E71F9@microsoft.com...
> I've recently applied with Advent Computer Training
> (http://www.adventtraining.co.uk/) and I was just curious if anybody knew
> if
> it was 100% genuine or not?
>
> There have been recent documentaries on how these companies are just scams
> that give you a certificate that doesn't actually give you much of Career
> chance.
>
> I'd LOVE to get myself a qualification in IT and what Advent say this
> would
> be perfect for me, however, after talking with people they're concerned I
> could end up throwing away alot of money for a certificate that wont do me
> much good.
>
> If this is just a load of rubbish, I know this isn't the place for Careers
> Advice, but how did you go about getting your paper work? Which method is
> most secure and what's best for the long run in life?
>
> All help is much appreciated.
>
> Many thanks,
> Paul.
>
>



Re: A question regarding Advent Computer Training - MCSE Certifica by D4YvV

D4YvV
Mon Apr 21 15:10:01 CDT 2008

I'm based in the South of the UK, North Dorset to be exact.

I'm not fussed nor put down by the threats of IT work being bad and alot of
work ( Hours and such )

I've got it in my head that I would like to be a Sytems Enginner ( general
build, repairs and maintainance ) So that's where I will get to.

All I ask is where the best Place to go to get started is :)

Thanks,
Paul.

Re: A question regarding Advent Computer Training - MCSE Certifica by PAJ

PAJ
Mon Apr 21 15:39:10 CDT 2008

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:10:01 -0700, D 4 Y v V
<D4YvV@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>I'm based in the South of the UK, North Dorset to be exact.
>
>I'm not fussed nor put down by the threats of IT work being bad and alot of
>work ( Hours and such )
>
>I've got it in my head that I would like to be a Sytems Enginner ( general
>build, repairs and maintainance ) So that's where I will get to.

I have a feeling your definition of a 'Systems Engineer' is different to
the MS definition.

Maybe you mean a Desktop Support Technician or a Computer/PC Repair
Technician?

Re: A question regarding Advent Computer Training - MCSE Certifica by Steve

Steve
Mon Apr 21 16:08:44 CDT 2008

> I have a feeling your definition of a 'Systems Engineer' is different to
> the MS definition.
>
> Maybe you mean a Desktop Support Technician or a Computer/PC Repair
> Technician?

And that comments helps how ?

This is a guy who is trying to get into IT and does not need to be confused
with semantics, maybe a bit of help would be good so that he no longer feels
that IT is full of people who are unable to associate with people who don't
have the same IT skills as them

D 4 Y v V: This might be a quick way in way in for you and cheaper than a
MCP course, its local college near you

http://www.thecollege.co.uk/courses/?cid=22294

Steve



"PAJ" <MBLOSSOMpaj-news@news-only.co.uk> wrote in message
news:2gup04tolrckhnvro3l02b0g91fr9kl5ae@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:10:01 -0700, D 4 Y v V
> <D4YvV@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>>I'm based in the South of the UK, North Dorset to be exact.
>>
>>I'm not fussed nor put down by the threats of IT work being bad and alot
>>of
>>work ( Hours and such )
>>
>>I've got it in my head that I would like to be a Sytems Enginner ( general
>>build, repairs and maintainance ) So that's where I will get to.
>
> I have a feeling your definition of a 'Systems Engineer' is different to
> the MS definition.
>
> Maybe you mean a Desktop Support Technician or a Computer/PC Repair
> Technician?



Re: A question regarding Advent Computer Training - MCSE Certifica by kpg

kpg
Mon Apr 21 16:32:14 CDT 2008

"Steve Ray" <nochance@all.com> wrote in
news:wn7Pj.68644$kN5.20678@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net:

> This is a guy who is trying to get into IT and does not need to be
> confused with semantics, maybe a bit of help would be good so that he
> no longer feels that IT is full of people who are unable to associate
> with people who don't have the same IT skills as them

I'm in IT and you just confused the heck out of me.



Re: A question regarding Advent Computer Training - MCSE Certifica by PAJ

PAJ
Mon Apr 21 17:03:46 CDT 2008

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 21:08:44 GMT, "Steve Ray" <nochance@all.com> wrote:

>> I have a feeling your definition of a 'Systems Engineer' is different to
>> the MS definition.
>>
>> Maybe you mean a Desktop Support Technician or a Computer/PC Repair
>> Technician?
>
>And that comments helps how ?

Because he is posting in an MCSE newsgroup, you moron.
Like you he needs to learn the simple things first!

Re: A question regarding Advent Computer Training - MCSE Certifica by Jtyc

Jtyc
Mon Apr 21 17:29:26 CDT 2008

> Because he is posting in an MCSE newsgroup, you moron.

get brain moran!

Re: A question regarding Advent Computer Training - MCSE Certifica by Bill

Bill
Mon Apr 21 17:47:23 CDT 2008

"Jtyc" <yo@respondtothegroup.com> wrote in message
news:%23ZsFs8$oIHA.3556@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Because he is posting in an MCSE newsgroup, you moron.
>
> get brain moran!

Ahem... that should be "brane" you idot.



Re: A question regarding Advent Computer Training - MCSE Certifica by Bill

Bill
Mon Apr 21 17:48:42 CDT 2008

"Steve Ray" <nochance@all.com> wrote in message
news:wn7Pj.68644$kN5.20678@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net...
>> I have a feeling your definition of a 'Systems Engineer' is different to
>> the MS definition.
>>
>> Maybe you mean a Desktop Support Technician or a Computer/PC Repair
>> Technician?
>
> And that comments helps how ?
>
> This is a guy who is trying to get into IT and does not need to be
> confused with semantics, maybe a bit of help would be good so that he no
> longer feels that IT is full of people who are unable to associate with
> people who don't have the same IT skills as them
>
> D 4 Y v V: This might be a quick way in way in for you and cheaper than a
> MCP course, its local college near you
>
> http://www.thecollege.co.uk/courses/?cid=22294
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> "PAJ" <MBLOSSOMpaj-news@news-only.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:2gup04tolrckhnvro3l02b0g91fr9kl5ae@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:10:01 -0700, D 4 Y v V
>> <D4YvV@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I'm based in the South of the UK, North Dorset to be exact.
>>>
>>>I'm not fussed nor put down by the threats of IT work being bad and alot
>>>of
>>>work ( Hours and such )
>>>
>>>I've got it in my head that I would like to be a Sytems Enginner (
>>>general
>>>build, repairs and maintainance ) So that's where I will get to.
>>
>> I have a feeling your definition of a 'Systems Engineer' is different to
>> the MS definition.
>>
>> Maybe you mean a Desktop Support Technician or a Computer/PC Repair
>> Technician?

Oh, yay! Another lurker with a stick up his butt!



Re: A question regarding Advent Computer Training - MCSE Certifica by Jtyc

Jtyc
Mon Apr 21 17:53:11 CDT 2008

> Ahem... that should be "brane" you idot.


that's ridikulus... who brought quantus mechanics into the conversation??



Re: A question regarding Advent Computer Training - MCSE Certifica by PAJ

PAJ
Tue Apr 22 00:36:09 CDT 2008

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:29:26 -0700, "Jtyc" <yo@respondtothegroup.com>
wrote:

>> Because he is posting in an MCSE newsgroup, you moron.
>
>get brain moran!

You are kruel. I cannot help being illigitemate.

Re: A question regarding Advent Computer Training - MCSE Certifica by catwalker63

catwalker63
Tue Apr 22 07:53:44 CDT 2008

"CBIC" <spam.thisbiotch@gmail.com> prattled ceaselessly in
news:u1SesE#oIHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl:

>
> "D 4 Y v V" <D4YvV@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:180E581A-4C8E-4139-BC18-AF63B1D19D73@microsoft.com...
>>I don't actually have a cert yet..
>>
>> I want to get into IT, but i'm just gathering my options at the
>> moment to see what's cheapest / easiest / the best way.
>>
>> Obviously I want to get as much experince as I can, all I currently
>> have is
>> What i've read about and put into practise myself being this system
>> i'm using
>> now, built myself and solved problems by googling and emplimenting.
>>
>> I'm just curious to how most proffesionals got into their Jobs that
>> they have now, how they got the certificates and so on.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Paul.
>
> Regarding your above comment-I would forget about cheapest/easiest. If
> you want to break into this field and do well you will have to earn
> it. Start at the bottom, which in most organizations is helpdesk. Get
> familiar with things and then get your MCDST or A+. You can gain
> experience to get your first IT job by volunteering. I would also
> highly recommend a college degree. Honestly ask yourself why you want
> to get into IT. Do you like working hours that users don't, meaning
> nights and weekends doing network/server upgrades? Do you like to help
> people? IT is a service organization and if you don't like helping
> people (or faking) you'll burn out quickly.
>
>

I have to agree with Doom here. And, if I were you, I'd definitely get
some college and focus a bit on writing skills. IT experience and
knowledge will get you no where with the poor writing skills you've
demonstrated in your above post. You can't be a professional if you
can't spell it. Trust me, I'm not being nit-picky here.

--
Catwalker
MCNGP #43
www.mcngp.com
"Definitely not wearing any underwear."

Re: A question regarding Advent Computer Training - MCSE Certifica by catwalker63

catwalker63
Tue Apr 22 07:54:37 CDT 2008

"Jtyc" <yo@respondtothegroup.com> prattled ceaselessly in
news:udu5QV#oIHA.6096@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:

>> I want to get into IT,
>
> Don't do it... it's awful...
>
>
>
>
> if we could just get rid of the users...
>

We can. It's the printers that are the problem.

--
Catwalker
MCNGP #43
www.mcngp.com
"Definitely not wearing any underwear."

Re: A question regarding Advent Computer Training - MCSE Certifica by CBIC

CBIC
Tue Apr 22 08:17:58 CDT 2008


"catwalker63" <_catwalker63_@hotmamamail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9A883C33538A0catwalker63athotmail@216.196.97.136...

> I have to agree with Doom here.

Well of course you do. I'm always right.



Re: A question regarding Advent Computer Training - MCSE Certifica by Bill

Bill
Tue Apr 22 08:38:54 CDT 2008

"CBIC" <spam.thisbiotch@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:uvnuKtHpIHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>
> "catwalker63" <_catwalker63_@hotmamamail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9A883C33538A0catwalker63athotmail@216.196.97.136...
>
>> I have to agree with Doom here.
>
> Well of course you do. I'm always right.

Ahem...

Bill Hileman
Division Manager, MS Agents



Re: A question regarding Advent Computer Training - MCSE Certifica by CBIC

CBIC
Tue Apr 22 09:20:00 CDT 2008


"Bill Hileman" <discgolfdad@gEEmail.com> wrote in message
news:OhVNs4HpIHA.4928@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> "CBIC" <spam.thisbiotch@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:uvnuKtHpIHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>
>> "catwalker63" <_catwalker63_@hotmamamail.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9A883C33538A0catwalker63athotmail@216.196.97.136...
>>
>>> I have to agree with Doom here.
>>
>> Well of course you do. I'm always right.
>
> Ahem...
>
> Bill Hileman
> Division Manager, MS Agents
>

Hard@$$



Re: A question regarding Advent Computer Training - MCSE Certifica by Jtyc

Jtyc
Tue Apr 22 11:46:22 CDT 2008

> We can. It's the printers that are the problem.

They're everywhere!



Re: A question regarding Advent Computer Training - MCSE Certifica by Jtyc

Jtyc
Tue Apr 22 11:51:06 CDT 2008

> You are kruel. I cannot help being illigitemate.

Nobody's attacking your religion you Islandic fool.

Re: A question regarding Advent Computer Training - MCSE Certifica by catwalker63

catwalker63
Tue Apr 22 16:57:52 CDT 2008

"Jtyc" <yo@respondtothegroup.com> prattled ceaselessly in
news:u4gKphJpIHA.1420@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:

>> We can. It's the printers that are the problem.
>
> They're everywhere!
>
>

They give me nightmares.

--
Catwalker
MCNGP #43
www.mcngp.com
"Definitely not wearing any underwear."