question about network install

I have this question on a MSPress 70-215 book that confuses me.

Q: You are installing Windows 2000 over the network. Before you install to a
client computer, what must you do?

A: Locate the path to the shared installation files on the distribution
server. create a 671MB FAT partition on the target computer (2 GB
recommended). Create a client disk with a network client so that you can
connect from the computer, without an operating system, to the distribution
server.

So my question is, why do you have to create a FAT Partition before running
a network install? Why cant you just pop in a network boot up disk, with no
partitions on the drive, run the winnt switch to start the network setup,
and have text mode create the partition for you like you how you usually can
doing a manual install from a cd?

Marko
Fri Aug 29 20:38:44 CDT 2003

>Q: You are installing Windows 2000 over the network.
Before you install to a
>client computer, what must you do?

>So my question is, why do you have to create a FAT
Partition before running


I would not take very long to set your scenario up and
actually try it. Are you in a position to do that? If
not, can you say why not?

It is likely the question will be answered one way or
another. If my memory serves me, the answer is actually
in the MS Press book as to why it will not work as you
described. Clue: Where are the temporary installation
files installed since, after the first reboot, the client
no longer communicates with the network share?

roYal
Fri Aug 29 21:06:08 CDT 2003

yes, i know about the temporary files, but when lets say you install from a
cd, it still needs the temporary files, so why wouldn't it need a
partitioned/formatted drive if you're installing from cd then?


"Marko" <mcse@australia.com> wrote in message
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> >Q: You are installing Windows 2000 over the network.
> Before you install to a
> >client computer, what must you do?
>
> >So my question is, why do you have to create a FAT
> Partition before running
>
>
> I would not take very long to set your scenario up and
> actually try it. Are you in a position to do that? If
> not, can you say why not?
>
> It is likely the question will be answered one way or
> another. If my memory serves me, the answer is actually
> in the MS Press book as to why it will not work as you
> described. Clue: Where are the temporary installation
> files installed since, after the first reboot, the client
> no longer communicates with the network share?

roYal
Fri Aug 29 21:16:36 CDT 2003

also, do you have to format the partition before doing a RIS install just
like doing a regular network install?

"Marko" <mcse@australia.com> wrote in message
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> >Q: You are installing Windows 2000 over the network.
> Before you install to a
> >client computer, what must you do?
>
> >So my question is, why do you have to create a FAT
> Partition before running
>
>
> I would not take very long to set your scenario up and
> actually try it. Are you in a position to do that? If
> not, can you say why not?
>
> It is likely the question will be answered one way or
> another. If my memory serves me, the answer is actually
> in the MS Press book as to why it will not work as you
> described. Clue: Where are the temporary installation
> files installed since, after the first reboot, the client
> no longer communicates with the network share?

Marko
Fri Aug 29 22:44:36 CDT 2003

>yes, i know about the temporary files, but when lets say
you install from a
>cd, it still needs the temporary files, so why wouldn't
it need a
>partitioned/formatted drive if you're installing from cd
then?

They are different temporary files in each case.

CD Install creates a partition of your choice but, even
after the reboot, has access to the install files on the
CD. The whole i386 folder is not copied.

Problem with network install is that you lose the network
connection after the first reboot. Whole i386 folder is
copied.

Marko
Fri Aug 29 22:49:41 CDT 2003


>also, do you have to format the partition before doing a
RIS install just
>like doing a regular network install?

What does your book say? My copy of the MS Press book has
the answer printed in it.

Sorry - just realise that answering every question for you
without you at least having a go yourself sets a bad
precedence for this newsgroup to get flooded with pleas of
help from people who can't be bothered looking for answers
themselves.

No Wait - I think that's already happening....

roYal
Fri Aug 29 22:56:48 CDT 2003

i'm in the 70-215, this book doesn't really cover RIS. I think that's in
216, i was just curious, sorry.


"Marko" <mcse@australia.com> wrote in message
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>
> >also, do you have to format the partition before doing a
> RIS install just
> >like doing a regular network install?
>
> What does your book say? My copy of the MS Press book has
> the answer printed in it.
>
> Sorry - just realise that answering every question for you
> without you at least having a go yourself sets a bad
> precedence for this newsgroup to get flooded with pleas of
> help from people who can't be bothered looking for answers
> themselves.
>
> No Wait - I think that's already happening....
>

Marko
Fri Aug 29 23:23:08 CDT 2003


>-----Original Message-----
>i'm in the 70-215, this book doesn't really cover RIS.


Fair enough

Try www.microsoft.com/technet and run a search on RIS
windows 2000 professional. I just did and a lot of very
useful resources came up. One of the first was:

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?
url=/technet/prodtechnol/windows2000serv/deploy/depopt/remo
sad.asp

Webster
Sat Aug 30 08:34:25 CDT 2003

"roYal" <roYal@wideopenwest.com> wrote in message
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> i'm in the 70-215, this book doesn't really cover RIS. I think that's in
> 216, i was just curious, sorry.

Then setup a RIS Server and get the experience. That is what I did to help
study for 210, 215 and 270. You will learn a whole lot more from attempting
to setup RIS than reading about RIS. You will learn a whole lot more trying
to get RIS to work with an XP Pro image.

Once you get RIS up and going then you can play with RIPrep and custom
images "for different departments" (a scenario you WILL run across on the
real exams).

You will learn a lot getting RIS up and functioning: AD, DNS, DHCP, creating
RIS boot diskettes, installing OS images, creating the myriad INI files and
while you are at it leanr to use Network Monitor to scan your PXE Boot DHCP
traffic. Once you do that you can learn how to prestage computers in RIS
(217 exam requires this knowledge) (use Network Monitor to get the GUID for
prestaging).

See what all you can learn by doing it yourself. Then when the questions
come up on the exams that are so easy to answer. Learning RIS, answer files
and DNS will breeze you through 215, 216, 217 and 218.

HTH


Webster

roYal
Sat Aug 30 08:42:11 CDT 2003

yes, i have 2 test computers already. However, i'm at the beginning of
70-215. The reason why i was asking this question is, i don't want to just
read, and get a small comprehension, and move on. I want to understand
completely. Once i start learning more about dns, dhcp, probably when i get
to 70-216, i will set up my server, which is already setup with AD and DNS,
and once i start learning about DHCP and stuff, i will create RIS, and use
my 2nd computer, install winxp on it, and start usign RIPREP and stuff and
creating answer files. I love learning this stuff!
"Webster" <webster@carlwebster.com> wrote in message
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> "roYal" <roYal@wideopenwest.com> wrote in message
> news:WoGdnTf4Fr0dvc2iU-KYgg@wideopenwest.com...
> > i'm in the 70-215, this book doesn't really cover RIS. I think that's
in
> > 216, i was just curious, sorry.
>
> Then setup a RIS Server and get the experience. That is what I did to
help
> study for 210, 215 and 270. You will learn a whole lot more from
attempting
> to setup RIS than reading about RIS. You will learn a whole lot more
trying
> to get RIS to work with an XP Pro image.
>
> Once you get RIS up and going then you can play with RIPrep and custom
> images "for different departments" (a scenario you WILL run across on the
> real exams).
>
> You will learn a lot getting RIS up and functioning: AD, DNS, DHCP,
creating
> RIS boot diskettes, installing OS images, creating the myriad INI files
and
> while you are at it leanr to use Network Monitor to scan your PXE Boot
DHCP
> traffic. Once you do that you can learn how to prestage computers in RIS
> (217 exam requires this knowledge) (use Network Monitor to get the GUID
for
> prestaging).
>
> See what all you can learn by doing it yourself. Then when the questions
> come up on the exams that are so easy to answer. Learning RIS, answer
files
> and DNS will breeze you through 215, 216, 217 and 218.
>
> HTH
>
>
> Webster
>
>

roYal
Sun Aug 31 09:57:36 CDT 2003

ya, i kind of understand. It needs the DOS partition, because you have to
download the i386 directory and store it on your disk drive, because when
you reboot, you don't have communication with the distrubtion share point
anymore.

The thing i don't get is, if you're installing from a cd from your own
computer, and it starts loading files before it gets to the f8 screen or
partition screen, where are those files being loaded, memory?

"Marko" <mcse@australia.com> wrote in message
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>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >I have this question on a MSPress 70-215 book that
> confuses me.
>
>
> Are you still confused about why you need a drive
> accessible by DOS for your network install to work?
>
> It isn't that I didn't want to be helpful, it's just that
> I felt it would be better if you had a light bulb moment
> where it made sense to you because you discovered the
> answer for yourself, rather than someone just telling you.
>
> Your words, roYal: "I love learning this stuff!"

Marko
Mon Sep 01 00:57:41 CDT 2003

>-----Original Message-----

>The thing i don't get is, if you're installing from a cd
from your own
>computer, and it starts loading files before it gets to
the f8 screen or
>partition screen, where are those files being loaded,
memory?


No - It uses the disk and not memory to store files. But
to just load files and start the text mode part of setup,
yes it can use memory. It is after you choose the install
partition and it is formatted that setup will store files
to your local hard disk. Before this, setup uses memory.

But you have to know some things in more detail. Like:

How do you access a network share and a NTFS partition
from DOS? If you can't, what compromise must be made?

At what point in the setup is a disk partition converted
to NTFS?

All of this makes more sense if you learn what can be done
and what is not possible during various stages of the
setup process. And if you break down the setup in its
various stages and then the stages using the different
methods (CD install; winnt and winnt32 using upgrade from
Win98/NT4, over the network, DOS, RIS, etc.), you will
figure all this out fairly quickly.

This is one of those problems where giving you the answer
is likely to leave you feeling that you still don't
understand why the answer is right. Understanding will
help you to determine the best action when deploying for
real.

roYal
Mon Sep 01 08:13:17 CDT 2003

Ya that's what i thought, before the f8 process, it uses memory, then once
you choose the partition and format, then it uses the disk. I must've
explained it poorly in my last post.

You can't access ntfs from dos, you can use the winnt32 /cmdcons command to
isntall the recovery agent, and then reboot into the recovery console or
just boot off the cd, choose repair, and choose to load the recovery
console.

After you choose f8, you are prompted to format in ntfs, leave the current
filesystem intact, or convert to ntfs. IF you're planning on DCPROMO the
server, then you must choose NTFS since SYSVOL has to be on an ntfs
partition.

See, i do know a bit of stuff already for just being in the 3rd chapter. I
try to play close attention to detail, it's just that 1 little thing that
confused me.

Marko, thanks for all your help, I appreciate it.

"Marko" <mcse@australia.com> wrote in message
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> >-----Original Message-----
>
> >The thing i don't get is, if you're installing from a cd
> from your own
> >computer, and it starts loading files before it gets to
> the f8 screen or
> >partition screen, where are those files being loaded,
> memory?
>
>
> No - It uses the disk and not memory to store files. But
> to just load files and start the text mode part of setup,
> yes it can use memory. It is after you choose the install
> partition and it is formatted that setup will store files
> to your local hard disk. Before this, setup uses memory.
>
> But you have to know some things in more detail. Like:
>
> How do you access a network share and a NTFS partition
> from DOS? If you can't, what compromise must be made?
>
> At what point in the setup is a disk partition converted
> to NTFS?
>
> All of this makes more sense if you learn what can be done
> and what is not possible during various stages of the
> setup process. And if you break down the setup in its
> various stages and then the stages using the different
> methods (CD install; winnt and winnt32 using upgrade from
> Win98/NT4, over the network, DOS, RIS, etc.), you will
> figure all this out fairly quickly.
>
> This is one of those problems where giving you the answer
> is likely to leave you feeling that you still don't
> understand why the answer is right. Understanding will
> help you to determine the best action when deploying for
> real.
>
>
>

Maestro
Tue Sep 02 14:56:34 CDT 2003

You're horrible as a facilitator.

>-----Original Message-----
>
>>also, do you have to format the partition before doing a
>RIS install just
>>like doing a regular network install?
>
>What does your book say? My copy of the MS Press book
has
>the answer printed in it.
>
>Sorry - just realise that answering every question for
you
>without you at least having a go yourself sets a bad
>precedence for this newsgroup to get flooded with pleas
of
>help from people who can't be bothered looking for
answers
>themselves.
>
>No Wait - I think that's already happening....
>
>.
>