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i'm currently pursuing my mcse (and ccna). i already have a+, network+, =
just passed 70-215, and taking 70-210 and 70-216 shortly.

from what i've read about mcse and mcsa it seems like the mcsa is easier =
to obtain, more about managing rather than implementing. (1) if there =
are two people in a company, one with mcse and one with mcsa, is the =
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the experience of an mcse. (2) that said, would it be worth taking the =
extra exam or two after i get my mcse, to also be an mcsa, so that i =
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Re: mcse vs. mcsa by AJS1976

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Most people consider the MCSE the higher ranking cert. An MCSA would =
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put it in place. In theory anway.
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Re: mcse vs. mcsa by JTT

JTT
Thu Aug 28 15:16:22 CDT 2003

I actually went for the MCSE as part of the requirements to be IP Certified
with Cisco and also obtained my MCSA as a result of the tests I chose to get
the MCSE. As a matter of fact, on the 6th test I took the survey asked when
I planned on finishing my MCSA and I chose never, it wasn't part of my plan.
I took the following tests in the order listed which resulted in both the
MCSA and MCSE (was MCSA after 6 and MCSE after the 7th):
70-270 Installing, Configuring, and Administering Microsoft® Windows®
XP Professional
70-215 Installing, Configuring, and Administering Microsoft® Windows®
2000 Server
70-216 Implementing and Administering a Microsoft® Windows® 2000
Network Infrastructure
70-217 Implementing and Administering a Microsoft® Windows® 2000
Directory Services Infrastructure
70-224 Installing, Configuring, and Administering Microsoft® Exchange
2000 Server
70-218 Managing a Windows 2000 Network Environment
70-220 Designing Security for a Microsoft® Windows® 2000 Network

I'm not sure what to tell you on how the rest of the industry views it. I
do know that if you were to apply at my company, I would choose someone that
was MCSE over someone that was MCSA with everything else being the same. So
honestly, I would look at the tests and go for the MCSE and get your MCSA on
your way to that goal. I happened to choose tests that I had the most
experience with when it came to electives, and it paid off.

JTT

"SWE" <none@none> wrote in message
news:O2dXWSZbDHA.2932@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
i'm currently pursuing my mcse (and ccna). i already have a+, network+, just
passed 70-215, and taking 70-210 and 70-216 shortly.

from what i've read about mcse and mcsa it seems like the mcsa is easier to
obtain, more about managing rather than implementing. (1) if there are two
people in a company, one with mcse and one with mcsa, is the mcsa more
likely to be the supervisor/manager of the mcse? i don't really see how you
could be an mcsa and manage a network, without having the experience of an
mcse. (2) that said, would it be worth taking the extra exam or two after i
get my mcse, to also be an mcsa, so that i could pursue a management
position? i've been doing network administration for about three years and
eventually i'd like to step back from the day-to-day hands on.

your thoughts and input would be appreciated.



mcse vs. mcsa by Maestro

Maestro
Thu Aug 28 16:18:28 CDT 2003

Go to Microsoft's website where all of your questions can
be answered. I don't know where you got your information,
but your notion of what an MCSE/MCSA are is wayyyyy off!

http://www.microsoft.com/mcp

>-----Original Message-----
>i'm currently pursuing my mcse (and ccna). i already have
a+, network+, just passed 70-215, and taking 70-210 and 70-
216 shortly.
>
>from what i've read about mcse and mcsa it seems like the
mcsa is easier to obtain, more about managing rather than
implementing. (1) if there are two people in a company,
one with mcse and one with mcsa, is the mcsa more likely
to be the supervisor/manager of the mcse? i don't really
see how you could be an mcsa and manage a network, without
having the experience of an mcse. (2) that said, would it
be worth taking the extra exam or two after i get my mcse,
to also be an mcsa, so that i could pursue a management
position? i've been doing network administration for about
three years and eventually i'd like to step back from the
day-to-day hands on.
>
>your thoughts and input would be appreciated.

Re: mcse vs. mcsa by Maestro

Maestro
Thu Aug 28 16:20:09 CDT 2003

This is gettting to be very scary. The two certs aren't=20
even geared towards the same job description!!!

>-----Original Message-----
>I actually went for the MCSE as part of the requirements=20
to be IP Certified
>with Cisco and also obtained my MCSA as a result of the=20
tests I chose to get
>the MCSE. As a matter of fact, on the 6th test I took=20
the survey asked when
>I planned on finishing my MCSA and I chose never, it=20
wasn't part of my plan.
>I took the following tests in the order listed which=20
resulted in both the
>MCSA and MCSE (was MCSA after 6 and MCSE after the 7th):
> 70-270 Installing, Configuring, and Administering=20
Microsoft=AE Windows=AE
>XP Professional
> 70-215 Installing, Configuring, and Administering=20
Microsoft=AE Windows=AE
>2000 Server
> 70-216 Implementing and Administering a Microsoft=AE=20
Windows=AE 2000
>Network Infrastructure
> 70-217 Implementing and Administering a Microsoft=AE=20
Windows=AE 2000
>Directory Services Infrastructure
> 70-224 Installing, Configuring, and Administering=20
Microsoft=AE Exchange
>2000 Server
> 70-218 Managing a Windows 2000 Network Environment
> 70-220 Designing Security for a Microsoft=AE=20
Windows=AE 2000 Network
>
>I'm not sure what to tell you on how the rest of the=20
industry views it. I
>do know that if you were to apply at my company, I would=20
choose someone that
>was MCSE over someone that was MCSA with everything else=20
being the same. So
>honestly, I would look at the tests and go for the MCSE=20
and get your MCSA on
>your way to that goal. I happened to choose tests that I=20
had the most
>experience with when it came to electives, and it paid=20
off.
>
>JTT
>
>"SWE" <none@none> wrote in message
>news:O2dXWSZbDHA.2932@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>i'm currently pursuing my mcse (and ccna). i already have=20
a+, network+, just
>passed 70-215, and taking 70-210 and 70-216 shortly.
>
>from what i've read about mcse and mcsa it seems like the=20
mcsa is easier to
>obtain, more about managing rather than implementing. (1)=20
if there are two
>people in a company, one with mcse and one with mcsa, is=20
the mcsa more
>likely to be the supervisor/manager of the mcse? i don't=20
really see how you
>could be an mcsa and manage a network, without having the=20
experience of an
>mcse. (2) that said, would it be worth taking the extra=20
exam or two after i
>get my mcse, to also be an mcsa, so that i could pursue a=20
management
>position? i've been doing network administration for=20
about three years and
>eventually i'd like to step back from the day-to-day=20
hands on.
>
>your thoughts and input would be appreciated.
>
>
>.
>

Re: mcse vs. mcsa by S

S
Thu Aug 28 16:33:26 CDT 2003

"SWE" <none@none> wrote in message
news:O2dXWSZbDHA.2932@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
i'm currently pursuing my mcse (and ccna). i already have a+, network+, just
passed 70-215, and taking 70-210 and 70-216 shortly.

from what i've read about mcse and mcsa it seems like the mcsa is easier to
obtain, more about managing rather than implementing. (1) if there are two
people in a company, one with mcse and one with mcsa, is the mcsa more
likely to be the supervisor/manager of the mcse? i don't really see how you
could be an mcsa and manage a network, without having the experience of an
mcse. (2) that said, would it be worth taking the extra exam or two after i
get my mcse, to also be an mcsa, so that i could pursue a management
position? i've been doing network administration for about three years and
eventually i'd like to step back from the day-to-day hands on.

your thoughts and input would be appreciated.

_____________________________

very simple... MCSA will get you a job as an inbound phone lackie (ie tech)
MCSE will get you a job as an inbound phone lackie (ie tech). Maybe after 5
years or so of experience you will see the difference between the two but
right now? hell no!! Get both? Get one? pick one... depends on where you
want to be in 5 years. You could get your MCSA, get that call center job
and continue working for your MCSE... or you could get both and still be a
phone lackie. Basically depends on your dedication to the field and your
own future.

I have my MCSE/MCSA 2000, CCNA, CNA, and A+... and guess where I was
working???? A CALL CENTER!! Does that stop me? nope... studying for my
2003 certs now... evenutally it will catch up with me and I will be ready
for it.

chose what is best for YOU... no one else

lol ok I'm done being nice for one day :P

--
Sue MCNGP # 69

http://www.mcngp.tk
The MCNGP Team - We're here to help



Re: mcse vs. mcsa by James

James
Thu Aug 28 17:23:34 CDT 2003

>
> I have my MCSE/MCSA 2000, CCNA, CNA, and A+... and guess where I was
> working???? A CALL CENTER!! Does that stop me? nope... studying for my
> 2003 certs now... evenutally it will catch up with me and I will be ready
> for it.
>

Geez...maybe you should give up on IT and start looking into being a
software developer and getting your MCAD/MCSD instead.




Re: mcse vs. mcsa by S

S
Thu Aug 28 17:33:35 CDT 2003

"James D. Murray" <james{at}idstouch{dot}com> wrote in message
news:uTdd%23LbbDHA.1128@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> >
> > I have my MCSE/MCSA 2000, CCNA, CNA, and A+... and guess where I was
> > working???? A CALL CENTER!! Does that stop me? nope... studying for
my
> > 2003 certs now... evenutally it will catch up with me and I will be
ready
> > for it.
> >
>
> Geez...maybe you should give up on IT and start looking into being a
> software developer and getting your MCAD/MCSD instead.
>
>
>
no thanks... you need a certain thought pattern to be a developer... and it
does not reside in my head... have to be realistic... I have a very
mathematical/artisic brain (according to IQ testing)... so I can imagine
what a network will look like but could not program any programs for the
same reason... I could not picture code in my head to form a pattern... nice
thought though

:)



Re: mcse vs. mcsa by roYal

roYal
Thu Aug 28 18:20:23 CDT 2003

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an msca analayzes an existing network infastructure that might add =
services such as dns, dhcp and configure them, like an administrator; =
msce designs, architechs, and implements the network infrastructure.
"SWE" <none@none> wrote in message =
news:O2dXWSZbDHA.2932@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
i'm currently pursuing my mcse (and ccna). i already have a+, =
network+, just passed 70-215, and taking 70-210 and 70-216 shortly.

from what i've read about mcse and mcsa it seems like the mcsa is =
easier to obtain, more about managing rather than implementing. (1) if =
there are two people in a company, one with mcse and one with mcsa, is =
the mcsa more likely to be the supervisor/manager of the mcse? i don't =
really see how you could be an mcsa and manage a network, without having =
the experience of an mcse. (2) that said, would it be worth taking the =
extra exam or two after i get my mcse, to also be an mcsa, so that i =
could pursue a management position? i've been doing network =
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Re: mcse vs. mcsa by Consultant

Consultant
Wed Sep 03 15:20:41 CDT 2003

old mc donald had a farm and ----- was his name-o


"Laura A. Robinson" <firstinitiallastname@technologist.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.19bf18c86bf17d6e98a8ca@msnews.microsoft.com...
> circa Thu, 28 Aug 2003 14:20:09 -0700, in
> microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse, Maestro (maestro@nothere.com) said,
> >
> > This is gettting to be very scary. The two certs aren't=20
> > even geared towards the same job description!!!
> >
> >
> BINGO.



Re: mcse vs. mcsa by Laura

Laura
Thu Sep 04 09:32:05 CDT 2003

circa Wed, 3 Sep 2003 13:20:41 -0700, in
microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse, Consultant
(consultant_mcngp@yahoo.com) said,
> old mc donald had a farm and ----- was his name-o
>
Excellent work, dear! Now let's try our ABCs...

Re: mcse vs. mcsa by Consultant

Consultant
Thu Sep 04 09:50:50 CDT 2003

acb, easy as 213


"Laura A. Robinson" <firstinitiallastname@technologist.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.19c116eb3a133d9898a8d6@msnews.microsoft.com...
> circa Wed, 3 Sep 2003 13:20:41 -0700, in
> microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse, Consultant
> (consultant_mcngp@yahoo.com) said,
> > old mc donald had a farm and ----- was his name-o
> >
> Excellent work, dear! Now let's try our ABCs...



Re: mcse vs. mcsa by billyw

billyw
Thu Sep 04 10:11:39 CDT 2003

ah the good old colonial schooling system seems tobe working a treat.

i remember "one time at band camp" a while ago when i worked for a large US
company they were opening a plant in illinois and were quite pleased that
they were able to get above 80% literacy rate.

some people never secure their memo's

"Consultant" <consultant_mcngp@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:emMMvPvcDHA.2564@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> acb, easy as 213
>
>
> "Laura A. Robinson" <firstinitiallastname@technologist.com> wrote in
message
> news:MPG.19c116eb3a133d9898a8d6@msnews.microsoft.com...
> > circa Wed, 3 Sep 2003 13:20:41 -0700, in
> > microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse, Consultant
> > (consultant_mcngp@yahoo.com) said,
> > > old mc donald had a farm and ----- was his name-o
> > >
> > Excellent work, dear! Now let's try our ABCs...
>
>



Re: mcse vs. mcsa by Laura

Laura
Thu Sep 04 10:39:31 CDT 2003

circa Thu, 4 Sep 2003 16:11:39 +0100, in
microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse, billyw (b@brainless.net) said,
>
> ah the good old colonial schooling system seems tobe working a treat.
>
> i remember "one time at band camp" a while ago when i worked for a large US
> company they were opening a plant in illinois and were quite pleased that
> they were able to get above 80% literacy rate.
>
> some people never secure their memo's
>
Some people know where to place apostrophes...

Re: mcse vs. mcsa by Consultant

Consultant
Thu Sep 04 14:16:17 CDT 2003

whats' an astrophepe

"Laura A. Robinson" <firstinitiallastname@technologist.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.19c126bddc4b8d9b98a8db@msnews.microsoft.com...
> circa Thu, 4 Sep 2003 16:11:39 +0100, in
> microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse, billyw (b@brainless.net) said,
> >
> > ah the good old colonial schooling system seems tobe working a treat.
> >
> > i remember "one time at band camp" a while ago when i worked for a large
US
> > company they were opening a plant in illinois and were quite pleased
that
> > they were able to get above 80% literacy rate.
> >
> > some people never secure their memo's
> >
> Some people know where to place apostrophes...



Re: mcse vs. mcsa by Jtyc

Jtyc
Thu Sep 04 14:27:26 CDT 2003

> whats' an astrophepe

It connects to the flux capacitor.