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    - 70-297 and 70-298 Hi, is there anyone who write me is there in 70-297 and 70-298 any simulations, problems to resolve or something similar? I prepare to pass these exams, so I will be greatful for your help. Andrew Tag: mcse Tag: 219665
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    - Discounts on 2008 Exams and Related Stuff Discounts on exams, training and books for Server 2008, SQL 2008 and Visual Studio. http://www.microsoft.com/learning/hero/default.mspx ------- T-Bone MCNGP XL Tag: mcse Tag: 219662
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    - wht are all the exams i need to give if want to be MCSE PLS tell me wht are all the exams i need to give if want to be MCSE. Tag: mcse Tag: 219652
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    - peterborough uk shortage of 1st 1st line jobs I'm having really trouble finding my first it job have passed my A+ 270 and 290 soon to retake 291. Problem is no experience no job. no job no experience. Wondering if everyone else find this to be the case gerry Tag: mcse Tag: 219623
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    - Allitcertkiller.com exams now more cheaper than Testking.co.uk exams Allitcertkiller.com exams now more cheaper than Testking.co.uk exams Tag: mcse Tag: 219611
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    - Excellent website for MCSE Certification Great website for Microsoft (MCSE,MCSA) Certification Professionals, http://certadvisor.blogspot.com Good luck to all. Tag: mcse Tag: 219603
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    - Question regarding 70-296 I've passed 70-296 two days ago. I did fail on 70-292, which is the MCSA part. What certification do i get for passing the 70-396 only ??? does anybody know? P.S I'm certified MCSE in Windows2000 and NT4. Thanks for your answers. Rudy Tag: mcse Tag: 219601
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    - Understanding the DHCP Server Client conversation (very intresting subject) Dear Friends, Through my researches and my studies I tried to understand the DHCP Server client conversation in Windows Server 2003 environment and I'm little bit lost here. Now, According to this table that is listed on Microsoft web page http://support.microsoft.com/kb/169289 Source Dest Source Dest Packet MAC addr MAC addr IP addr IP addr Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Client Broadcast 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 DHCP Discover * DHCPsrvr Broadcast DHCPsrvr 255.255.255.255 DHCP Offer Client Broadcast 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 DHCP Request ** DHCPsrvr Broadcast DHCPsrvr 255.255.255.255 DHCP ACK I have some questions regarding the DHCP conversation manner. The DHCP server sends a Broadcast MSG offering the IP address to the client (*) and at the end it sends AGAIN a Broadcast MSG to acknowledge the IP address that's been offered (**). Now, my questions are :- 1) I understand that the Client is sending a broadcast message because it doesn't know any concrete DHCP server in order to request an IP address, but why the DHCP sends also a broadcast message to the client (*) (**)? 2) Let's agree that the DHCP server is broadcasting its offer, what happen if there is more than one client (lets say 50 or more) is getting same IP address that's suppose to be offered to a concrete client at the same time? Doesn't this make a high traffic in the network making all the clients go back and forth with the DHCPNACK, DHCPDECLINE and the DHCPACK????? NOTE: I understand that the client sends an ARP request with the offered IP address if it gets a reply that means that this IP address is in use and the client sends DHCPDECLINE, this is from the CLIENT side but what about the server side and the whole network?? :-s 3) Why don't the DHCP server cuts the crap and use the client MAC address to send the DHCPOFFER and the DHCPACK instate of broadcasting to all clients? PLEASE NOTE : That the MAC address is in the second layer (Data Link layer) in the OSI model while the IP address is in the third layer (Network layer) which make it more reasonable for the DHCP server to use the the MAC address of the client that is requesting the service to send him the IP address instate of BROADCASTING the DHCPOFFER and the DHCPACK and making high traffic. I'm sorry for make it long but I think that the subject is worth it.... Yours, Weamfox Tag: mcse Tag: 219600
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    - Expired Exam 70-292 and 296 This exams expire at the end of March. Are they being replaced by 2008 upgrade exams? Do anyone know the answer. Tag: mcse Tag: 219591
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    - Difference between 2000 mixed and 2003 interim (Domain Functional It seems that both these domain function levels have the same limitations. Why then would you choose 2003 interim (instead of 2000 mixed)? At least with 2000 mixed you can have windows 2000 DC's. Tag: mcse Tag: 219533
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    - OT:Sorry Fris Look who's in the top 10. Tag: mcse Tag: 219490
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    - wot 2 do??? Hello, i am Warp Won, but my friends as a joke call me Warp To. i am now in America and with my sponsor, Boa Bang Tong, we do MCSE. so, wot papers do i need to write and which 1 i do 1st? also when next sitting exam date and which universities do i attend? you reply soon i hope Warp Won Tag: mcse Tag: 219458
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    - All exams @ $25 at Allitcertkiller.co.uk for limited period All exams @ $25 at Allitcertkiller.co.uk for limited period Tag: mcse Tag: 219457
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    - Information sources Having been a Financial Advisor I know that industry information comes from all sorts of places. Being somewhat new to the IT industry I would like to get ideas on where everyone gets there industry information from. I use the Microsoft website a lot, but I would like to know of any other favorite websites, newsletters or magazines that you guys and gals also use. Thanks Tag: mcse Tag: 219450
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    - OT: All the phuny poasts today Are in microsoft.public.msagent. Tag: mcse Tag: 219448
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    - OT: Happy BD LRM That is all. -- The InterNeil "V2 w/tabbed browsing & decreased verbosity" MCNGP Triple X - Looking in the mirror ...|... rorrim eht in gnikooL Tag: mcse Tag: 219441
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    - Exams with 100% passing guarantee at Testking.co.uk with all new Exams with 100% passing guarantee at Testking.co.uk with all new updates Tag: mcse Tag: 219438
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    - Exams doubling up Can one exam count for 2 different certifications? For example, 70-290 can go towards an MCSE and an MCDBA. Will it count towards both? Tag: mcse Tag: 219435
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    - OT: I wonder if I could get this job if.. I flashed my MCNGP credentials? http://jobs.guardian.co.uk/job/431763/teenage-pregnancy-implementation-manager JaR might notice I stole this from SpareRoom Tag: mcse Tag: 219428
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    - Still I don't GOT my MCSE Certificate and wallet card too hey friends and microsoft staff members, I passed my exams all papers of MCSE 2003 track in 26/october/2007, still I got only welcome kit.. I don't recieved any Certificate that signed by Bill Gates and wallet card etcc kit related to Certificate. I contacted to Microsoft and local center too. please help me out related this problems. Thanks in Advance, Patel Himanshu India Tag: mcse Tag: 219402
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    - New to the field I am 34 years old and have decided to make a career change from sales (which I have been in for over 10 years). I have enjoyed working with computers for over 17 years and should of made this decision a long time ago. I am taking courses with a company called New Horizons to work toward my MCSE 2003 certs. In this program I do get hands on experience and will be placed in an internship within the next month. If everything goes well I will have completed all my exams within the next 10 months. Just wanting to see if anyone has any suggestions or guidance that they can give me concerning the field. Tag: mcse Tag: 219398
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    - Another MCSE 2003 I passed my last MCSE exam on Feb 1st. It took me a year to finish the last 5 exams and three years in total to get to the MCSE. I work as a Network Administrator and I knew nothing about installing servers, installing Exchange, GPOs, AD, DNS, DHCP, etc. I had an opportunity to set this all up from the ground up at my job. I had no plan but I had a lot of preparation guides, installation guides, design guides, etc that I download and read from Microsoft. My employer paid for one course which was for the 70-294 exam and that exam I took a year later! I was too busy setting up the network. In short, I earned my stripes getting the MCSE even though I didn't use every technology covered on each exam (i.e Remote Access, VPNs, etc) but I tried my best with Vmware to recreate the environment for learning. My question is this, I want to move ahead into the systems architecture field and do more intermediate systems work. Any advise on the best way to go about that? I want to certify for Exchange 2007 and get a head start on Windows Server 08 as well. Tag: mcse Tag: 219392
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    - Simulation questions I just barely failed 70-292, and the post mortem indicated that I did the worst in Managing Name Resolution, an area I know well given that it's been one of my main responsibilities for the last 6 years. There were a number of simulations in that section, and I'm wondering if that's where I went wrong. How precise do you have to be to be marked correct on simulations? On one of them I remember pressing OK when I was done, but got no feedback from the interface that I had done anything, so I assumed that it did nothing and did not do it again. Was that a costly mistake? How picky are these simulations? Thanks. Tag: mcse Tag: 219390
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    - A nearly On-Topic question No, seriously ;-) I'm trying to write a Group Policy to allow certain ActiveX controls to load on machines without local admin privileges. This is what I've come up with, but for some reason it won't work. Anyone out there ever done this before? What have I done wrong? ************************************************************ CLASS USER CATEGORY "Windows Components" CATEGORY "Internet Explorer" CATEGORY "Administrator Approved Controls" KEYNAME "Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Internet Settings\AllowedControls" POLICY "Allowed ActiveX" EXPLAIN "Allows specific ActiveX to run" PART "Promax Logon" CHECKBOX VALUENAME {ED5BE7F4-9C97-4013-8838-48C20128D73A} VALUEON NUMERIC 0 VALUEOFF NUMERIC 1 END PART END POLICY END CATEGORY ;; AdminApproved END CATEGORY ;; Internet Explorer END CATEGORY ;; WindowsComponents **************************************************************** Valuename is the ID # from the control in the downloaded program files, and the policy shows up, and is enabled in the GPO snap-in. -- JaR Scratching head in confusion, as usual Remove hat to reply Tag: mcse Tag: 219379
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    - Network Engineer Opportunity! Hello Everyone, My name is Jon and I work for Oxford Solutions, a Staffing/Consulting Firm in Pittsburgh, PA, that specializes in placing IT professionals. Currently I have an immediate opening for a (Microsoft) Network Engineer!!!! The job description is below: - Advanced knowledge of Windows, Exchange, SQL, Terminal Services - Current MCSE Preferred - SAN experience preferred - Good General knowledge and experience with firewalls, switching, routing All candidates interested can please send me a resume in a Word document to jfantini@oxfordsolutionsinc.com. Tag: mcse Tag: 219367
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    - OT: Webex replacements I know this is a little more than slightly off topic, but maybe some of you can help me. I am looking for a replacement to webex. We use webex for remote customer support, and it's a great tool no doubt, but it's expensive as all get out. We have looked at and played with gotomypc, and logmein, however those products require extensive local installation, something that many of our customers object to (HIPAA concerns with their local IT staffs). Ideally, a product should have the following properties... full remote (secure) client control over the web a meeting center voice as well as web conferencing file transfer ability some type of payment portal (paypal or others) be easy to connect to via the Internet yet secure should pay us instead of us paying them Ok, the last one is a bit of a stretch, I can bend on that :) I am just looking for suggestions, maybe some of you have been in this boat before. Thank you in advance for any suggestions you might offer. John R Tag: mcse Tag: 219366
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    - OT: Important information There are two secrets to success in this world: 1. Never tell everything you know Tag: mcse Tag: 219364
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    - MCSE 2003 Exams, Work Experience Prerequisites , a challenge for s Hello, I have some 4 years working experience in Computing, starting from static web designing and now systems Admin. I am getting ready to study for the MCSE exams on server 2003. One thing that marvels me is the work experience Prerequisites. Quote: "The Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer (MCSE) on Windows Server 2003 credential is intended for IT professionals who work in the typically complex computing environment of medium to large companies. An MCSE candidate should have at least one year of experience implementing and administering a network operating system in environments that have the following characteristics: â?¢ 250 to 5,000 or more users â?¢ Three or more physical locations â?¢ Three or more domain controllers â?¢ Network services and resources such as messaging, database, file and print, proxy server, firewall, Internet, intranet, remote access, and client computer management â?¢ Connectivity requirements such as connecting branch offices and individual users in remote locations to the corporate network and connecting corporate networks to the Internet In addition, an MCSE candidate should have at least one year of experience in the following areas: â?¢ Designing a network infrastructure â?¢ Implementing and administering a desktop operating system" I am from Ghana in West Africa and I currently work in Liberia in the same region. It is very difficult to even find companies with 150 computers. Does it mean that some of use who have not even worked for such companies have no chance of getting certified? I just want to know.. Comments Please Tag: mcse Tag: 219362
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    - New exams with new updates and moneyback guarantee only at New exams with new updates and moneyback guarantee only at Testking.co.uk Tag: mcse Tag: 219361
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    - Free Certifications from www.BrainBeez.com Hi, www.brainbeez.com is offering free certifications on various IT and NON-IT subjects like Aptitude, English, C, C++, JAVA, ORACLE, FINANCE, MARKETING ETC., Do visit www.brainbeez.com and get certified for free instantly. Certificate is directly send to your email account once you qualify the exam. Thanks, Ria ! Tag: mcse Tag: 219360
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    - Better opportunity for H1B/H4/L1/L2 visa holders Hi Friends, This is Aditya Singh (Sr. Technical Recruiter), from Softpath Solutions, Inc (A US based IT Staffing, Consulting and Recruiting Company located at 40 McGuire Rd., Trumbull, CT-06611). Softpath Solutions, Inc is a company that has become increasingly involved in the software development and IT consulting business. We provide full range of services at every level of project development. We offer services in software design, analysis, implementation, integration, and consulting to our clients. Our area of specialization is in the design and development of database applications, object oriented software, and client/server systems to be used for various applications including information system management. We are full service information firm focused primarily on Enterprise Resource Planning (ERP) and Package Applications. Softpath is constantly working with leading companies and skilled IT professionals to efficiently fulfill their needs. For more please contact me or visit our web site: www.softpathsolutions.com Where Softpath Solutions can take you: Softpath Solutions has consistently built upon years of experience to deliver results in the global information technology Marketplace. We are a leading IT staffing organization connecting top talent to top companies around the globe. We offer unequaled IT staffing resources to our clients. Whether you're an employer looking to hire a highly skilled IT professional, or a consultant seeking new challenges, you can count on us. To be a quality provider of software professionals and solutions; we build long term mutually rewarding relationship with our clients and help them manage technology and changes in the information services environment with our expertise and continues efforts.. Softpath Solutions Benefits: Competitive Salaries H1B and Green Card Sponsorship Top Notch Medical, Dental and Vision Insurances Free Training: Java, VB.Net, DBA, Data Warehousing, Reporting tools, SAP, QA, and SAS etc. Guest house facility and Free Accommodation Relocation Reimbursement Referral Bonus: Excellent Marketing Direct Clients Placement Vast vendor contacts all over U.S (nearly 168 vendors in U.S) Exclusive Features: Accommodation, Training and 100% Job Guarantee for qualified OPTs OR who are getting into OPT status and /H1 professionals/ Green Card Holders Fully Paid H1-B for OPT / Fully Paid H1-B Transfers Fully paid bench salary after 6 month of employment Free Accommodation/living Free Relocation to client site Aggressive Salaries / Salary Appraisals (6 months) Please Note H1B Transfers are welcome. Tired of your Employer's exploitation, Come, Join us. We offer excellent packages to our consultants. Become Rich, Don't make others rich. Our strength is our employees. 60% of our new employees are referred by our existing employees as they are highly satisfied with our packages and benefits. ******OPT/CPT candidates are welcome****** H4/L1/L2 Candidates - Make Softpath your second home. Please send us Your Updated Resumes and your contact details Please Feel Free To Call Aditya Singh Sr. Technical Recruiter Softpath Solutions, Inc. 40, McGuire Road, Trumbull, CT -06611 Phone: 214-206-8646 E-mail: aditya@softpathsolutions.com Tag: mcse Tag: 219355
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    - NT4 Certification I have been out of the Windows server arena for a few years and I have moved on to networks. Has a retirement date been established for the NT4 MCSE certification? I don't want to be displaying the MCSE logo if I'm no longer authorized. Tag: mcse Tag: 219343
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    - 2008 certs This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C86F02.4E6C0960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think the 2008 (MCSE) type certs are very confusing. I really don't = think they have any credibility. Employers barely understood the MCSE, = now they are going nuts with all the initials. I for one am not going to = spend hundreds to keep my certs up to date, expecially when no one = understands what they are, or what they mean. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C86F02.4E6C0960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.6000.16608" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I think the 2008 (MCSE) type certs are = very=20 confusing. I really don't think they have any credibility. Employers = barely=20 understood the MCSE, now they are going nuts with all the initials. I = for one am=20 not going to spend hundreds to keep my certs up to date, expecially when = no one=20 understands what they are, or what they mean. = </FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C86F02.4E6C0960-- Tag: mcse Tag: 219331
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    - Important information about CompTIA Certifications Looking for Information about CompTIA Certifications (Newbie) http://career-assessments.blogspot.com/2008/02/comptia-certifications-newbie.html For A+, Security+, Network+, RFID+, Linux+... (Aspirants) http://career-assessments.blogspot.com/2008/02/comptia-certification-aspirants.html Tag: mcse Tag: 219329
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    - MCSE 2000 to 2003 upgrade path. What happens when 2000 is retired? MCSE 2000 to 2003 upgrade path. What happens when 2000 is retired? Right now I am trying to get 70-292 and 70-296 done before March 31st so I can upgrade to my MSCE to 2003. I have the 70-292 exam scheduled for next Tuesday. I hope to pass and start right on to studying 70-296 and complete that test by the March 31st deadline. What do you think will happen if I cant complete 70-296 by March 31st. 70-292 and 70-296 will be retired and discontinued on March 31st. Do you think I will be able to still upgrade with the non-retired core exams that make up 70-296,(293 and 294)? If I schedule 70-296 and fail it before the 31st do you think I will be allowed to reschedule and take it after March 31st. what if I used a retake voucher with the original appointment before the 31st? Thanks Tag: mcse Tag: 219320
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    - 70-291 Dear sir/madam Plzzzzzzzz...plzzzzzzz help me complete my 291, 293 and 294 exams successfully, I attempted 291 twice and failed. Please someone help me Tag: mcse Tag: 219319
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    - OT: FYI - Because I care Big patch Tuesday for all you network admins out there... http://blogs.technet.com/msrc/archive/2008/02/12/february-2008-monthly-release.aspx Tuesdays are now the new Mondays. -- Michael D. Alligood, MCITP, MCTS, MCSA, MCDST The I.T. Classroom - http://www.theitclassroom.com/ CertGuard, Inc. - http://www.certguard.com/ Tag: mcse Tag: 219317
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    - MCSE in Windows 2003: Security road from here Hi. Yesterday I passed 70-292 exam so, as I had passed before 70-210, 70-215, 70-216 and 70, 218, I'm now MCSA in Windows 2000 and in Windows 2003. My objective is the MCSE in Windows 2003 with speciality in Security. So, being MCSA in Windows 2003, what now? How much to go? 2, 3 more? Which ones could they be? How many â??coreâ?? and how many â??electiveâ??? The next exam I want to sit for is CompTIA Security+. In my opinion, this exam has its own importance, apart from the possibility of being used as requisite to MCSE, so passing it would give me at the same time â??a piece of the MCSEâ?? and a 3rd party recognized certification. Speaking about Security+â?¦what exact impact does this exam have in the â??pathâ?? I need to accomplish my objective? Is it consider â??electiveâ??? Honestly, I tried to understand the CertPlanner, but I just donâ??t get how to figure out easily the options I have to achieve my goal. Thanks!!! Carlos Tapia. MCSA W2K - MCSA W2K3 CCNA Tag: mcse Tag: 219315
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    - Failed 70-290 Hello my name is Cynthia I took the 290 today and did horrible, I will try and retake it in about a week time is there any advice for preparation? -- cynthia Tag: mcse Tag: 219289
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    - Validating my coures material I've recently started to undertake the MCSE 2003. I believe the material which i have been sent is out-of-date. I looked at the MCSE self study guide on amazon that has a release date of May 06 updated with SP1. I recieved my material only last year and contains references to SUS instead of WSUS and so on... Is it then the case that the material i have is out-of-date Tag: mcse Tag: 219275
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    - BINGO. I thank you for that info. It has been very usefull Tag: mcse Tag: 219263
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    - Sybex Looking For Technical Editors My name is Jeff Kellum, acquisitions editor with Sybex, an imprint of Wiley. Sybex is one of the leading IT certification publishers worldwide, and we publish on a number of IT certifications, including Microsoft, CompTIA, Cisco, and others. We are currently looking for indivuals who are interested in doing technical edits for our books. Qualified candidates will have a Microsoft certification, ideally a MCTS or MCITP. Strong background with Windows Vista and Server 2008 is also a must. If you are interested, please contact Jeff Kellum at jkellum@wiley.com. Tag: mcse Tag: 219258
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    - I just consumed 190 calories for lunch How about you? Death from Above Tag: mcse Tag: 219247
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    - UPGRADE FROM 2000 TO 2003 Dear experts. I have a windows 2000 domain running on my network with 2 DCs and I want to migrate to 2003. I have tried to run adprep /forestprep and /domainprep on the schema master which is also the infrastructure master and both have finished correctly (no errors). Now the schema should have changed and I have tried to join the domain with a new 2003 server, but it aswers "The active directory cannot continue because the forest is not prepared. Use adprep to fix it". I already did that and if I try it again, the system tells....it was already done. Do you have any suggestion? Thanks. Tag: mcse Tag: 219243
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    - 70-292 and IPSec Hi there, I'm about to take the 70-292 exam, and I'm a little concerned that my IPSec knowledge is not up to scratch. I can't see it listed on the Microsoft exam specifications, but the Transcender tests that I've been doing have that and RRAS questions all over the place. Should I spend more time studying up on those topics, or is it actually not required for this test. Thanks in advance for any feedback. ...Assi. Tag: mcse Tag: 219236
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    - What's the best study books for MCSE? When I did my NT 4 MCSE Sybex ruled, is that still the case? TIA, Clayton Tag: mcse Tag: 219230
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    - upgrade process I have already MCSE+S+M,I want to upgrade my title to 2008 srv and exchange 2007,So I dont know How to? I want to become MCITP on 2008 srv and exchange 2007.... Best Wishes/Regards Tag: mcse Tag: 219203
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    - OT:(what else is new) Passed exam Now this would be seriously off topic for this group. I passed an exam, but not an MS one, and decided to brag about it here. I have my PMP. What's that, you ask? Google it you a$$. I'm gonna go get my Master's now. -- The InterNeil "V2 w/tabbed browsing & decreased verbosity" MCNGP Triple X - I used to be dyslexic. But I'm yako now. Tag: mcse Tag: 219196
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    - 70-296 Noticed this question was asked December without answer but thought i would ask again. 70-296. What is the required pass score? Also is the exam usual random multiple choice & simulation or are questions based on case study/report similar to design exams on the MSCE W2K exams? Would really like to have some idea of exam format before attempting it so any info appreciated. Thanks Tag: mcse Tag: 219170
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    - Excellent website for MCSE Certification Great website for MCSE certification, http://certdream.googlepages.com Good luck. Tag: mcse Tag: 219165

when will mcse 2000 expire?

Re: mcse by Neil

Neil
Fri Mar 07 09:28:11 CST 2008

did you hear =?Utf-8?B?UmV2aSB2cA==?= <Revi vp@discussions.microsoft.com>
say in news:546C3C44-9CB1-4918-8C0F-53B0EC71557B@microsoft.com:

> when will mcse 2000 expire?
>

Garunteed to be expired by 2943

...I'll even give a money back garuntee on that one...

--
The InterNeil "V2 w/tabbed browsing & decreased verbosity" MCNGP Triple X

- Shh! I have to use my incomplete, divided attention here.

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