doubt.....

does it useful to having a MCSE cert in ours IT career?

catwalker63
Thu Apr 05 00:30:01 CDT 2007

tmchins piffled away vaguely:

> does it useful to having a MCSE cert in ours IT career?

I have not found the cert useful in my career. It has a poor
reputation. at this time.

The wallet card makes an ok ice-scraper if you don't have a real one.
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Kline
Thu Apr 05 02:09:17 CDT 2007

>does it useful to having a MCSE cert in ours IT career?

not as much as having a decent babel fish.

Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3

Kline
Thu Apr 05 02:10:12 CDT 2007

>The wallet card makes an ok ice-scraper if you don't have a real one.

not to mention the chick magent, but then that don't apply to
you....... or does it ;)

Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3

Consultant
Thu Apr 05 08:45:28 CDT 2007

well, ive used the plastic wallet card they sent to purchase many online
items, seems to be worth it to me

"tmchins" <tmchins@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> does it useful to having a MCSE cert in ours IT career?

Michael
Thu Apr 05 08:51:46 CDT 2007

I am not following your question, so I hope my answer applies:

It is worth what *YOU* make it worth. If you just study braindump
questions to learn how to pass the exams; then no, it is not worth it.
You just spent all that time and money to earn a sheet of paper.

However if you truly are interested in this; you will find many ways to
make useful and worthwhile. It is what you make of it... Certifications
are never an end point to learning...

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MCSA, MCDST, MCP,
A+, Network+, i-Net+,

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www.CertGuard.com



"tmchins" <tmchins@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1E3DE140-E343-4DB9-A244-C25143B0A328@microsoft.com:

> does it useful to having a MCSE cert in ours IT career?

JaR
Thu Apr 05 10:42:41 CDT 2007

Michael D. Alligood wrote:
> I am not following your question, so I hope my answer applies:
>
> It is worth what *YOU* make it worth. If you just study braindump
> questions to learn how to pass the exams; then no, it is not worth it.
> You just spent all that time and money to earn a sheet of paper.
>
> However if you truly are interested in this; you will find many ways to
> make useful and worthwhile. It is what you make of it... Certifications
> are never an end point to learning...
>
> --
>
> Michael D. Alligood
> MCSA, MCDST, MCP,
> A+, Network+, i-Net+,
>
> The Classroom Blog
>
> CertGuard Member
> The Stronghold for Excellence in I.T. Certification
> www.CertGuard.com
>
>

Do you approach everything you do with the same disregard for rules and
conventions that you demonstrate in your newsgroup postings, Michael?

Forgetting for the moment the MCP (*snicker*) thing, Usenet etiquette
requires:

a] Bottom posting for linear reading.

2] .sigs under four lines total, including whitespace. I count 10 in
yours, and there would be 11 if the link to your blog wasn't missing.

I don't think I would trust you with my equipment, you might just decide
that it would be ok to use a crossover cable in all connections or set a
hard drive to "master" when it should be "slave". After all, what
difference do these little 'rules' make anyway, hmmm?

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CBIC
Thu Apr 05 10:48:38 CDT 2007

I agree. One should always bottom post.

"JaR" <jrderby@lakabux.com> wrote in message
news:e$Elvj5dHHA.588@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Michael D. Alligood wrote:
>> I am not following your question, so I hope my answer applies:
>>
>> It is worth what *YOU* make it worth. If you just study braindump
>> questions to learn how to pass the exams; then no, it is not worth it.
>> You just spent all that time and money to earn a sheet of paper.
>>
>> However if you truly are interested in this; you will find many ways to
>> make useful and worthwhile. It is what you make of it... Certifications
>> are never an end point to learning...
>>
>> --
>>
>> Michael D. Alligood
>> MCSA, MCDST, MCP,
>> A+, Network+, i-Net+,
>>
>> The Classroom Blog
>>
>> CertGuard Member
>> The Stronghold for Excellence in I.T. Certification
>> www.CertGuard.com
>>
>>
>
> Do you approach everything you do with the same disregard for rules and
> conventions that you demonstrate in your newsgroup postings, Michael?
>
> Forgetting for the moment the MCP (*snicker*) thing, Usenet etiquette
> requires:
>
> a] Bottom posting for linear reading.
>
> 2] .sigs under four lines total, including whitespace. I count 10 in
> yours, and there would be 11 if the link to your blog wasn't missing.
>
> I don't think I would trust you with my equipment, you might just decide
> that it would be ok to use a crossover cable in all connections or set a
> hard drive to "master" when it should be "slave". After all, what
> difference do these little 'rules' make anyway, hmmm?
>
> --
> JaR
> Providing gentle direction
> Remove hat to reply

Kline
Thu Apr 05 10:57:23 CDT 2007

>I am not following your question, so I hope my answer applies:

not surprised, it's in some kind of code. i think it means there's an
invasion coming, either that or 'its a girl'

Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3

Cerebrus
Thu Apr 05 11:14:35 CDT 2007

On Apr 5, 8:48 pm, "CBIC" <spam.thisbio...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree. One should always bottom post.

You benthic organism, you !

CBIC
Thu Apr 05 11:18:37 CDT 2007


"Cerebrus" <zorg007@sify.com> wrote in message
news:1175789675.818985.94980@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 5, 8:48 pm, "CBIC" <spam.thisbio...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I agree. One should always bottom post.
>
> You benthic organism, you !
>

Good word. I had to use a dictionary.

JaR
Thu Apr 05 11:45:12 CDT 2007

CBIC wrote:
> "Cerebrus" <zorg007@sify.com> wrote in message
> news:1175789675.818985.94980@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>> On Apr 5, 8:48 pm, "CBIC" <spam.thisbio...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I agree. One should always bottom post.
>> You benthic organism, you !
>>
>
> Good word. I had to use a dictionary.
>
>
Doom sunk?

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TBone
Thu Apr 05 13:57:33 CDT 2007

And on the eigth day Kline Sphere <.@> did cause the electrons to come
together and form the following words:

> not surprised, it's in some kind of code.

"Its a countdown..."

"They're using our own satellites against us!"

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T-Bone
MCNGP XL

catwalker63
Thu Apr 05 14:21:10 CDT 2007

Michael D. Alligood piffled away vaguely:

> I am not following your question, so I hope my answer applies:
>
> It is worth what *YOU* make it worth. If you just study braindump
> questions to learn how to pass the exams; then no, it is not worth it.
> You just spent all that time and money to earn a sheet of paper.
>
> However if you truly are interested in this; you will find many ways to
> make useful and worthwhile. It is what you make of it... Certifications
> are never an end point to learning...
>
I agree up to a point. The problem with the "worthiness" of the MCSE is
in the perception of prospective employers. It doesn't have the respect
those who really worked for it deserved simply because so many have not
and have demonstrated their idiocy so spectacularly.

In addition, in order to obtain the cert you have to learn all sorts of
useless information, like how to make server a router. I have my MCSE
but if I had it to do over again, I'd skip it. I'd read the important
part of books that explain how (and where) to use Windows in the real
world and supplement with studying linux, cisco, and other
technologies that smart companies really use to accomplish routing,
webservices, etc. In fact, that's what I do now.

So, yeah, learning has great value. It just should be directed at
learning things that will prove valuable to you down the road.
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"I have a gun. It's loaded. Shut up."

TechGeekPro
Fri Apr 06 15:20:36 CDT 2007

On Apr 5, 2007 at 9:51am "Michael D. Alligood" blathered:

> MCSA, MCDST, MCP,
> A+, Network+, i-Net+,

With the exception of the MCDST, I have all those certs too.

My mom is so proud.

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CBIC
Fri Apr 06 16:09:57 CDT 2007


"TechGeekPro" <%username%@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns990AA636B5BDDtgp@207.46.248.16...
> On Apr 5, 2007 at 9:51am "Michael D. Alligood" blathered:
>
>> MCSA, MCDST, MCP,
>> A+, Network+, i-Net+,
>
> With the exception of the MCDST, I have all those certs too.
>

Same here but I have a forklift operators license and a CDL from a former
life.


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