This has probably been said many times, but people just don't seem to get
the point! And although I've been posting on this NG for only few weeks its
beginning to annoy me seeing people (such as Sathir Puchnabe, Maria Zapatta)
post 'I passed my exam thanks to Testking' or 'I'm taking the exam soon,
does anyone know if Transcender have a paper on it?'!

If you use Testking or Transcender or any other software/study
guides/braindumps that give you the actual test questions and answers then
YOU ARE CHEATING, you are obtaining your qualification illegally, you might
as well use one of those dodgy internet diplomas!

If everyone cheated and took the exams, then we'd have millions of
MCPs/MCSAs & MCSEs wandering around who don't know sh*t. It would mean that
those of us who really studied and took the exam legally would have our
certification degraded to the point where it became pointless. I'm only an
MCP now, but I'm working towards MCSA, then MCSE, and I want to know that in
the end it's going to be worth all the effort!

Secondly if you become an MCSE through cheating, and you don't really know
what your talking about, and then get a job based on that qualification,
then what happens when a real problem arises in your job, and you have no
idea how to sort it? Testking won't be able to help you then will they!? And
you'll look like a real pro in front of your new boss and fellow MCSE team,
won't you!

If you really want that MCP/MCSE qualification WORK for it, study the
literature, work with the OS to gain experiance, above all, remember
TestKing/Transcender is NO help to you, you might think it is when you pass
the exam, but in reality it is just giving you a false qualification, and
you'll fall flat on your face sometime in the future!

And in the end I think its much more satisfying to achive something (whether
its an MCP qualification or anything else in life) knowing you did it
through hard work, and not by cheating!

Lastly, if you are going to cheat, don't post to this newsgroup, or any
other microsoft newgroup for that matter, telling everyone about it!

--
Ben

IT Professional, MCP 70-210
"On my way to becoming fully certifiable!"

Re: Testking & Transcender - Exam Takers Please Read by R

R
Tue Jul 27 04:55:52 CDT 2004

Transcenders are NOT braindumps/real exams. I DO agree with you re. others
such as testking.

"Ben Blackmore" <bjblackmore@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uHXNJ07cEHA.1152@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> This has probably been said many times, but people just don't seem to get
> the point! And although I've been posting on this NG for only few weeks
its
> beginning to annoy me seeing people (such as Sathir Puchnabe, Maria
Zapatta)
> post 'I passed my exam thanks to Testking' or 'I'm taking the exam soon,
> does anyone know if Transcender have a paper on it?'!
>
> If you use Testking or Transcender or any other software/study
> guides/braindumps that give you the actual test questions and answers then
> YOU ARE CHEATING, you are obtaining your qualification illegally, you
might
> as well use one of those dodgy internet diplomas!
>
> If everyone cheated and took the exams, then we'd have millions of
> MCPs/MCSAs & MCSEs wandering around who don't know sh*t. It would mean
that
> those of us who really studied and took the exam legally would have our
> certification degraded to the point where it became pointless. I'm only an
> MCP now, but I'm working towards MCSA, then MCSE, and I want to know that
in
> the end it's going to be worth all the effort!
>
> Secondly if you become an MCSE through cheating, and you don't really know
> what your talking about, and then get a job based on that qualification,
> then what happens when a real problem arises in your job, and you have no
> idea how to sort it? Testking won't be able to help you then will they!?
And
> you'll look like a real pro in front of your new boss and fellow MCSE
team,
> won't you!
>
> If you really want that MCP/MCSE qualification WORK for it, study the
> literature, work with the OS to gain experiance, above all, remember
> TestKing/Transcender is NO help to you, you might think it is when you
pass
> the exam, but in reality it is just giving you a false qualification, and
> you'll fall flat on your face sometime in the future!
>
> And in the end I think its much more satisfying to achive something
(whether
> its an MCP qualification or anything else in life) knowing you did it
> through hard work, and not by cheating!
>
> Lastly, if you are going to cheat, don't post to this newsgroup, or any
> other microsoft newgroup for that matter, telling everyone about it!
>
> --
> Ben
>
> IT Professional, MCP 70-210
> "On my way to becoming fully certifiable!"
>
>
>



Troytech as well! by Ben

Ben
Tue Jul 27 05:12:52 CDT 2004

Aren't they? I've not actually seen them but I was under the impression they
had some of the exam questions at the back. If not my mistake!

Another big one I missed was Troytech which is a braindump!


"R" <anon@spamme.please> wrote in message
news:%23YAAp$7cEHA.3300@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Transcenders are NOT braindumps/real exams. I DO agree with you re. others
> such as testking.
>
> "Ben Blackmore" <bjblackmore@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:uHXNJ07cEHA.1152@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > This has probably been said many times, but people just don't seem to
get
> > the point! And although I've been posting on this NG for only few weeks
> its
> > beginning to annoy me seeing people (such as Sathir Puchnabe, Maria
> Zapatta)
> > post 'I passed my exam thanks to Testking' or 'I'm taking the exam soon,
> > does anyone know if Transcender have a paper on it?'!
> >
> > If you use Testking or Transcender or any other software/study
> > guides/braindumps that give you the actual test questions and answers
then
> > YOU ARE CHEATING, you are obtaining your qualification illegally, you
> might
> > as well use one of those dodgy internet diplomas!
> >
> > If everyone cheated and took the exams, then we'd have millions of
> > MCPs/MCSAs & MCSEs wandering around who don't know sh*t. It would mean
> that
> > those of us who really studied and took the exam legally would have our
> > certification degraded to the point where it became pointless. I'm only
an
> > MCP now, but I'm working towards MCSA, then MCSE, and I want to know
that
> in
> > the end it's going to be worth all the effort!
> >
> > Secondly if you become an MCSE through cheating, and you don't really
know
> > what your talking about, and then get a job based on that qualification,
> > then what happens when a real problem arises in your job, and you have
no
> > idea how to sort it? Testking won't be able to help you then will they!?
> And
> > you'll look like a real pro in front of your new boss and fellow MCSE
> team,
> > won't you!
> >
> > If you really want that MCP/MCSE qualification WORK for it, study the
> > literature, work with the OS to gain experiance, above all, remember
> > TestKing/Transcender is NO help to you, you might think it is when you
> pass
> > the exam, but in reality it is just giving you a false qualification,
and
> > you'll fall flat on your face sometime in the future!
> >
> > And in the end I think its much more satisfying to achive something
> (whether
> > its an MCP qualification or anything else in life) knowing you did it
> > through hard work, and not by cheating!
> >
> > Lastly, if you are going to cheat, don't post to this newsgroup, or any
> > other microsoft newgroup for that matter, telling everyone about it!
> >
> > --
> > Ben
> >
> > IT Professional, MCP 70-210
> > "On my way to becoming fully certifiable!"
> >
> >
> >
>
>



Re: Testking & Transcender - Exam Takers Please Read by chun

chun
Tue Jul 27 05:24:19 CDT 2004

I got a colleague who passed MCSE 7 papers after completed a MCSE course. He
knows nothing about networking, server, AD, etc..... and his salary is as
same as me.

got another friend, he knew nothing about computer world when we were at
Uni, after graduated he can't find a job, instead he did a MCSE course,
later he found a job at bloody german bank and taught me what paper MCSE is
... @_@!

So, I did MCSE 2000, I found it is absoultely useless. most of the question
you would never used it on your real life.... e.g where is the log file
location.

My boss is a bloody greedy IT consultant. he asked me why I am bothered to
take this exam... he said no need to take.... he doesn't trust the people
with MCSE..... hahaha ^____^!


now I m doing MCSE2003..... I think really it is bloody shit again.....

Reason why doing MCSE 2003.. coz need more income and a tilte in my card....












"Ben Blackmore" <bjblackmore@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uHXNJ07cEHA.1152@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> This has probably been said many times, but people just don't seem to get
> the point! And although I've been posting on this NG for only few weeks
its
> beginning to annoy me seeing people (such as Sathir Puchnabe, Maria
Zapatta)
> post 'I passed my exam thanks to Testking' or 'I'm taking the exam soon,
> does anyone know if Transcender have a paper on it?'!
>
> If you use Testking or Transcender or any other software/study
> guides/braindumps that give you the actual test questions and answers then
> YOU ARE CHEATING, you are obtaining your qualification illegally, you
might
> as well use one of those dodgy internet diplomas!
>
> If everyone cheated and took the exams, then we'd have millions of
> MCPs/MCSAs & MCSEs wandering around who don't know sh*t. It would mean
that
> those of us who really studied and took the exam legally would have our
> certification degraded to the point where it became pointless. I'm only an
> MCP now, but I'm working towards MCSA, then MCSE, and I want to know that
in
> the end it's going to be worth all the effort!
>
> Secondly if you become an MCSE through cheating, and you don't really know
> what your talking about, and then get a job based on that qualification,
> then what happens when a real problem arises in your job, and you have no
> idea how to sort it? Testking won't be able to help you then will they!?
And
> you'll look like a real pro in front of your new boss and fellow MCSE
team,
> won't you!
>
> If you really want that MCP/MCSE qualification WORK for it, study the
> literature, work with the OS to gain experiance, above all, remember
> TestKing/Transcender is NO help to you, you might think it is when you
pass
> the exam, but in reality it is just giving you a false qualification, and
> you'll fall flat on your face sometime in the future!
>
> And in the end I think its much more satisfying to achive something
(whether
> its an MCP qualification or anything else in life) knowing you did it
> through hard work, and not by cheating!
>
> Lastly, if you are going to cheat, don't post to this newsgroup, or any
> other microsoft newgroup for that matter, telling everyone about it!
>
> --
> Ben
>
> IT Professional, MCP 70-210
> "On my way to becoming fully certifiable!"
>
>
>



Re: Testking & Transcender - Exam Takers Please Read by The

The
Tue Jul 27 05:24:31 CDT 2004

>Transcenders are NOT braindumps/real exams.

to me, there's not a great deal of difference. I've seen comments from
people, spoken to people, who have used transcenders and said that
some of the questions/case studies were all but the same as the real
exams. That may be a just down to the problems with the format of the
exams, but it's still just plain wrong.

Anyway, I feel that if people need those type of products, I question,
at worst their ability, at best, their confidence in themselves. May
be use them at the them end of your studies but in place of those
studies.

In any case the cert process needs to change so that real world
knowledge comes more into play. For someone to be 'certified' surely
should mean they actual have real world experience of the products?

Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3

Re: Testking & Transcender - Exam Takers Please Read by The

The
Tue Jul 27 05:25:24 CDT 2004

>Lastly, if you are going to cheat, don't post to this newsgroup, or any
>other microsoft newgroup for that matter, telling everyone about it!

no, they should do - it's great fun!!!

Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3

Re: Troytech as well! by The

The
Tue Jul 27 05:39:05 CDT 2004

>Another big one I missed was Troytech which is a braindump!

don't forget wong, cobol and chums.

Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3

Re: Testking & Transcender - Exam Takers Please Read by Ben

Ben
Tue Jul 27 05:39:02 CDT 2004

"The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere" <.> wrote in message
news:hbbcg01178sgdgbun21156rr0i3ik2mssk@4ax.com...
> >Lastly, if you are going to cheat, don't post to this newsgroup, or any
> >other microsoft newgroup for that matter, telling everyone about it!
>
> no, they should do - it's great fun!!!
>
> Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3

Heh, well yeah there is that I guess, a good troll bashing always brightens
the day!

I just find it frustrating to hear someone say 'i've never touched a pc and
don't know what windows is, but i still passed my exam thanks to testking
and troytec'

I've worked with PCs for 7 years, I started by doing an apprenticeship where
I got paid shit and given all the sh*tty jobs to do, along with this I did a
2 year collage course, worked my ass off! Over the years I've gained
experience by starting at the bottom and moving up from apprentice/lackey,
to junior to engineer, working for different companies. And to hear that
someone with NO experience what so ever can just walk in and pass an exam by
cheating, and end up with the same qualification as me is very frustrating!
--
Ben

IT Professional, MCP 70-210
"On my way to becoming fully certifiable!"



Re: Testking & Transcender - Exam Takers Please Read by R

R
Tue Jul 27 05:42:41 CDT 2004

I agree that practice exams (not braindumps) such as Transcender / Self-Test
/ Measure-Up should only be used at the end of the studies, just to get you
in the right frame of mind for taking the exam. That is the way I have
approached the 15 exams I have taken over the last 5 years.

R - MCSE (2003, 2000, NT), MCSA (2003, 200), MCDBA (SQL2000)

"The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere" <.> wrote in message
news:vkacg091m1clgul2nr2mcfdfhj3ksrrnta@4ax.com...
> >Transcenders are NOT braindumps/real exams.
>
> to me, there's not a great deal of difference. I've seen comments from
> people, spoken to people, who have used transcenders and said that
> some of the questions/case studies were all but the same as the real
> exams. That may be a just down to the problems with the format of the
> exams, but it's still just plain wrong.
>
> Anyway, I feel that if people need those type of products, I question,
> at worst their ability, at best, their confidence in themselves. May
> be use them at the them end of your studies but in place of those
> studies.
>
> In any case the cert process needs to change so that real world
> knowledge comes more into play. For someone to be 'certified' surely
> should mean they actual have real world experience of the products?
>
> Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3



Re: Testking & Transcender - Exam Takers Please Read by Ben

Ben
Tue Jul 27 07:42:35 CDT 2004

I'm afraid I have to disagree with you.

Look at it this way, back in school you had your algebra/math test. Now
think, would it have been considered cheating to see the exam paper BEFORE
taking the exam? Of course it would! Your teacher may have given you test
exam papers that had questions simular to those on the real exam, but not
exactly the same! I have no problem with people doing simulated exams, as
long as the questions aren't those asked on the exam!

I can even see a point in maybe looking at those braindumps AFTER you've
done the exam, to see what you got wrong, and show what sections you need to
develope. After I passed 70-210 I had 1 area I only got about 70% and
another I got 80%, however the results page doesn't tell you exactly what
questions it was you got wrong, just what area.

--
Ben

IT Professional, MCP 70-210
"On my way to becoming fully certifiable!"



"Jerz" <Jerz@InospambutwipeIrgns.com> wrote in message
news:4d5c01c473ce$b88c5bc0$a401280a@phx.gbl...
> While I agree that people who use braindumps just to
> memorize the questions and answers of items on the test
> are cheaters I definately disagree with your
> generalization that all that use them are cheating.
>
> It all depends on your studying methods and experience.
> If you have the experience, study (whether it be from a
> class or book) and use transcender (not sure about the
> other since I've never seen) I see absoluetly nothing
> wrong with that.
>
> I remember when I was in high school I would do my algebra
> II homework and look up the odd answers in the back of the
> book. Was that cheating? If you just write down the
> answer then yes that would be cheating, but if you
> actually took the time to figure out how you got that
> answer writing down each step of the way it was actually
> another way of learning something.
>
> If you have to cheat then you probably don't like this
> field enough to actually stay in it the rest of your
> life. There will always be cheaters but without
> experience, knowledge and passion you will never get
> anywhere...
>
> Cheers!
>
> Jerz
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >This has probably been said many times, but people just
> don't seem to get
> >the point! And although I've been posting on this NG for
> only few weeks its
> >beginning to annoy me seeing people (such as Sathir
> Puchnabe, Maria Zapatta)
> >post 'I passed my exam thanks to Testking' or 'I'm taking
> the exam soon,
> >does anyone know if Transcender have a paper on it?'!
> >
> >If you use Testking or Transcender or any other
> software/study
> >guides/braindumps that give you the actual test questions
> and answers then
> >YOU ARE CHEATING, you are obtaining your qualification
> illegally, you might
> >as well use one of those dodgy internet diplomas!
> >
> >If everyone cheated and took the exams, then we'd have
> millions of
> >MCPs/MCSAs & MCSEs wandering around who don't know sh*t.
> It would mean that
> >those of us who really studied and took the exam legally
> would have our
> >certification degraded to the point where it became
> pointless. I'm only an
> >MCP now, but I'm working towards MCSA, then MCSE, and I
> want to know that in
> >the end it's going to be worth all the effort!
> >
> >Secondly if you become an MCSE through cheating, and you
> don't really know
> >what your talking about, and then get a job based on that
> qualification,
> >then what happens when a real problem arises in your job,
> and you have no
> >idea how to sort it? Testking won't be able to help you
> then will they!? And
> >you'll look like a real pro in front of your new boss and
> fellow MCSE team,
> >won't you!
> >
> >If you really want that MCP/MCSE qualification WORK for
> it, study the
> >literature, work with the OS to gain experiance, above
> all, remember
> >TestKing/Transcender is NO help to you, you might think
> it is when you pass
> >the exam, but in reality it is just giving you a false
> qualification, and
> >you'll fall flat on your face sometime in the future!
> >
> >And in the end I think its much more satisfying to achive
> something (whether
> >its an MCP qualification or anything else in life)
> knowing you did it
> >through hard work, and not by cheating!
> >
> >Lastly, if you are going to cheat, don't post to this
> newsgroup, or any
> >other microsoft newgroup for that matter, telling
> everyone about it!
> >
> >--
> >Ben
> >
> >IT Professional, MCP 70-210
> >"On my way to becoming fully certifiable!"
> >
> >
> >
> >.
> >



Re: Troytech as well! by billLASTINIT

billLASTINIT
Tue Jul 27 07:41:18 CDT 2004

Ben Blackmore wrote:
> Aren't they? I've not actually seen them but I was under the
> impression they had some of the exam questions at the back. If not my
> mistake!
>
> Another big one I missed was Troytech which is a braindump!

Based on a conversation I had in microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcad, I now tend
to believe that Exam Crams are also br@indumps I suspected they were, but
didn't know for sure. Someone who used them confirmed that they do indeed
have actual test questions, but like Testking et. al., they're loaded with
incorrect answers. BTW, please use my munged version of the bad word, as
we've also discovered a while back that some web sites that do newsgroup
feeds have been using that naughty word to allow certain less-than-honorable
vendors to link to their a s s f u c k i n g web sites.

--
Fris "Exam Cram it up your ..." bee®, MCNGP #13

The MCNGP Team - We're here to help!
http://www.mcngp.tk

Certaholics
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/certaholics


Re: Troytech as well! by The

The
Tue Jul 27 07:54:43 CDT 2004

>I now tend
>to believe that Exam Crams are also br@indumps

Do you mean the books? If so I'm quite surprised to hear that. I
bought a couple of those books (VC desktop & distributed) and thought
they were quite good. I don't recall any questions in the books being
word for word as those in the exams.

Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3

Re: Troytech as well! by billLASTINIT

billLASTINIT
Tue Jul 27 07:59:16 CDT 2004

The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere wrote:
>> I now tend
>> to believe that Exam Crams are also br@indumps
>
> Do you mean the books? If so I'm quite surprised to hear that. I
> bought a couple of those books (VC desktop & distributed) and thought
> they were quite good. I don't recall any questions in the books being
> word for word as those in the exams.
>
> Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3

Look for a post in the MCAD group. I'm pretty sure that the guy stated that
he used both Exam Crams and TestKing, although he said he got "bored" with
TestKing and stopped using it, and said (or at least implied) that there
were questions on the exam from both products. He also added that many of
the questions, at least in TestKing, were wrong.

What a surprise.

--
Fris "He didn't get my vertical secret message" bee®, MCNGP #13

The MCNGP Team - We're here to help!
http://www.mcngp.tk

Certaholics
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/certaholics


Re: Testking & Transcender - Exam Takers Please Read by Ben

Ben
Tue Jul 27 08:34:50 CDT 2004


"Brian" <reply2me@thenewsgroup> wrote in message
news:OCYoz19cEHA.3944@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> I would have to disagree with you as well. The point is that the existence
> of braindumps is a problem. Whether you would use them to cheat or not,
> others definitely do. This devalues the certifications of those who
obtained
> them legitimately, as the presence of these sites create a bunch of
> braindumping donkey-rapers who have no idea what they are really talking
> about once they are put into a real world situation.
>
> Brian
>
>

Agreed! And I particularly liked your use of 'braindumping donkey-rapers'.
:-D

Ben



Re: Troytech as well! by Ben

Ben
Tue Jul 27 09:00:33 CDT 2004


"Frisbee®" <billLASTINIT@dasi-software.com> wrote in message
news:uTIjHm9cEHA.3616@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>
> Look for a post in the MCAD group. I'm pretty sure that the guy stated
that
> he used both Exam Crams and TestKing, although he said he got "bored" with
> TestKing and stopped using it, and said (or at least implied) that there
> were questions on the exam from both products. He also added that many of
> the questions, at least in TestKing, were wrong.
>
> What a surprise.
>
> --
> Fris "He didn't get my vertical secret message" bee®, MCNGP #13
>
> The MCNGP Team - We're here to help!
> http://www.mcngp.tk
>
> Certaholics
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/certaholics
>

I'd say it would be poetic justice if a question came up on the exam, and
you answered wrong because you used TestKing to cheat and were too dumb to
realise!
--
Ben

IT Professional, MCP 70-210
"On my way to becoming fully certifiable!"



Re: Troytech as well! by molsonexpert

molsonexpert
Tue Jul 27 09:23:36 CDT 2004


"Ben Blackmore" <bjblackmore@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uZmTJQ#cEHA.2504@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>
> "Frisbee®" <billLASTINIT@dasi-software.com> wrote in message
> news:uTIjHm9cEHA.3616@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> >
> > Look for a post in the MCAD group. I'm pretty sure that the guy stated
> that
> > he used both Exam Crams and TestKing, although he said he got "bored"
with
> > TestKing and stopped using it, and said (or at least implied) that there
> > were questions on the exam from both products. He also added that many
of
> > the questions, at least in TestKing, were wrong.
> >
> > What a surprise.
> >
> > --
> > Fris "He didn't get my vertical secret message" bee®, MCNGP #13
> >
> > The MCNGP Team - We're here to help!
> > http://www.mcngp.tk
> >
> > Certaholics
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/certaholics
> >
>
> I'd say it would be poetic justice if a question came up on the exam, and
> you answered wrong because you used TestKing to cheat and were too dumb to
> realise!
> --
> Ben
>
> IT Professional, MCP 70-210
> "On my way to becoming fully certifiable!"
>
>

Although I would never endorse a braindump, or the likes of testking et al.,
I still think some of the burden should be put on Microsoft to constantly
update and change the exam questions (or even changing the formats), so that
a braindump from, say, 3 months ago, would be useless. As for the poetic
justice, I always thought it would be cool if MS reused their old exam
questions, but subtly change the wording to make the question mean something
totally different. Anyone who uses a braindump for their main study material
might get a little confused.

steve.



Re: Troytech as well! by Ben

Ben
Tue Jul 27 09:37:00 CDT 2004

"molsonexpert" <imdrunk@work.ca> wrote in message
news:uQKLPV%23cEHA.4092@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>
> Although I would never endorse a braindump, or the likes of testking et
al.,
> I still think some of the burden should be put on Microsoft to constantly
> update and change the exam questions (or even changing the formats), so
that
> a braindump from, say, 3 months ago, would be useless. As for the poetic
> justice, I always thought it would be cool if MS reused their old exam
> questions, but subtly change the wording to make the question mean
something
> totally different. Anyone who uses a braindump for their main study
material
> might get a little confused.
>
> steve.
>
>

Your right, they should have an exam board like most educational exam
boards, who revise and add new questions on a regular basis. At the moment I
think they have a pool of 400 questions, of which you get asked a random
selection. If they were to add/remove 100 questions every once in a while it
would put brain dumps out of business!

Ben



Re: Troytech as well! by TechGeekPro

TechGeekPro
Tue Jul 27 12:13:27 CDT 2004

On Jul 27, 2004 "Frisbee®" blathered:

> I now tend to believe that Exam Crams are also br@indumps

Umm.. yea... I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you there. Yea...

I've used the Exam Cram series books (from Corolis not Que) for all of the
exams I've taken and an Exam Cram 2 (from Que not Corolis) for the 70-218
(although I never actually read it) and I also have the free versions of the
Exam Master practice tests from Exam Force
(http://www.examforce.com/customer/home.php). They are basically the same
questions from the book so you can judge for yourself. I found their
questions to be not only easy but nothing resembling the real exam. They are
full of errors and incorrect answers (but hey, they're free!) so you do have
to watch out. But I definately would *not* consider them to be "braindumps".

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Re: Troytech as well! by Japes

Japes
Tue Jul 27 14:16:18 CDT 2004

Don't be surprised if they are "re-wording" questions..... I can't remember
which but it was either 210/215, where I had nearly identical worded
questions and answers, back to back in the exam. I honestly thought I hadn't
clicked the next button and went back, took me a moment to realised what was
going on.

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Re: Testking & Transcender - Exam Takers Please Read by Beoweolf

Beoweolf
Tue Jul 27 21:18:34 CDT 2004

pulled from an earlier post

The difference between a "Dump" and a "test simulation" at its very closest
point is one will have questions and possible answers from a "currently
valid" test pool...the other may have questions from an older, no longer
current test pool. one gives you the answer, ruining the whole idea of test,
the other provides guidelines, references and explanations of the process
behind the answer.
as to the probable depth of knowledge need to
successfully answer questions on the subject.

Obviously, even use of old tests, unless permitted by the test developer or
software vendor, is an infringement on the effort put into research and
background performed by the person(s) providing
the test. Since the software has finite limits, it is very possible that
even separately developed tests will have similar questions on at least a
few subjects. I mean, how many correct ways are there to logon? As the min.
/ max hardware requirements of an OS platform, reasonable ways to
re-configure or consolidate an NT to W2K/W2K3 domain?

Fact of the matter, I had a Professor that would distribute his test from
the immediately previous year to incoming students as a way of letting them
know what to expect in the coming year. One of two things would happen,
First there was a mass exodus from his class in the first 2 - 3 days, from
students that realized they were in over their heads or weren't prepared to
put in that much time. Second, it was his way of letting people know that
those tests were NOT going to be repeated for grades.

How large is the pool of questions that MS draws on when they offer a test
is their business, statistics would prove, that if the test pool were
sufficiently large and distribution were random enough...even if you
reviewed
every question, barring a photographic memory...the chances of remembering
enough to pass a test with out actual knowledge, could be greatly reduced.

Unfortunately, unlike the SAT tests and other time limited or strictly
controlled test, MS tests are given all over the world, but people with
varying degrees of integrity.

Fact is, you cannot prevent cheating, at best you can just make it damn
inconvenient.


"Ben Blackmore" <bjblackmore@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uHXNJ07cEHA.1152@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> This has probably been said many times, but people just don't seem to get
> the point! And although I've been posting on this NG for only few weeks
its
> beginning to annoy me seeing people (such as Sathir Puchnabe, Maria
Zapatta)
> post 'I passed my exam thanks to Testking' or 'I'm taking the exam soon,
> does anyone know if Transcender have a paper on it?'!
>
> If you use Testking or Transcender or any other software/study
> guides/braindumps that give you the actual test questions and answers then
> YOU ARE CHEATING, you are obtaining your qualification illegally, you
might
> as well use one of those dodgy internet diplomas!
>
> If everyone cheated and took the exams, then we'd have millions of
> MCPs/MCSAs & MCSEs wandering around who don't know sh*t. It would mean
that
> those of us who really studied and took the exam legally would have our
> certification degraded to the point where it became pointless. I'm only an
> MCP now, but I'm working towards MCSA, then MCSE, and I want to know that
in
> the end it's going to be worth all the effort!
>
> Secondly if you become an MCSE through cheating, and you don't really know
> what your talking about, and then get a job based on that qualification,
> then what happens when a real problem arises in your job, and you have no
> idea how to sort it? Testking won't be able to help you then will they!?
And
> you'll look like a real pro in front of your new boss and fellow MCSE
team,
> won't you!
>
> If you really want that MCP/MCSE qualification WORK for it, study the
> literature, work with the OS to gain experiance, above all, remember
> TestKing/Transcender is NO help to you, you might think it is when you
pass
> the exam, but in reality it is just giving you a false qualification, and
> you'll fall flat on your face sometime in the future!
>
> And in the end I think its much more satisfying to achive something
(whether
> its an MCP qualification or anything else in life) knowing you did it
> through hard work, and not by cheating!
>
> Lastly, if you are going to cheat, don't post to this newsgroup, or any
> other microsoft newgroup for that matter, telling everyone about it!
>
> --
> Ben
>
> IT Professional, MCP 70-210
> "On my way to becoming fully certifiable!"
>
>
>


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Testking & Transcender - Exam Takers Please Read by your

your
Thu Jul 29 09:40:24 CDT 2004

you are a retard - even if you use study aids the eams are
difficult - I hate titty babies like you






>-----Original Message-----
>This has probably been said many times, but people just
don't seem to get
>the point! And although I've been posting on this NG for
only few weeks its
>beginning to annoy me seeing people (such as Sathir
Puchnabe, Maria Zapatta)
>post 'I passed my exam thanks to Testking' or 'I'm taking
the exam soon,
>does anyone know if Transcender have a paper on it?'!
>
>If you use Testking or Transcender or any other
software/study
>guides/braindumps that give you the actual test questions
and answers then
>YOU ARE CHEATING, you are obtaining your qualification
illegally, you might
>as well use one of those dodgy internet diplomas!
>
>If everyone cheated and took the exams, then we'd have
millions of
>MCPs/MCSAs & MCSEs wandering around who don't know sh*t.
It would mean that
>those of us who really studied and took the exam legally
would have our
>certification degraded to the point where it became
pointless. I'm only an
>MCP now, but I'm working towards MCSA, then MCSE, and I
want to know that in
>the end it's going to be worth all the effort!
>
>Secondly if you become an MCSE through cheating, and you
don't really know
>what your talking about, and then get a job based on that
qualification,
>then what happens when a real problem arises in your job,
and you have no
>idea how to sort it? Testking won't be able to help you
then will they!? And
>you'll look like a real pro in front of your new boss and
fellow MCSE team,
>won't you!
>
>If you really want that MCP/MCSE qualification WORK for
it, study the
>literature, work with the OS to gain experiance, above
all, remember
>TestKing/Transcender is NO help to you, you might think
it is when you pass
>the exam, but in reality it is just giving you a false
qualification, and
>you'll fall flat on your face sometime in the future!
>
>And in the end I think its much more satisfying to achive
something (whether
>its an MCP qualification or anything else in life)
knowing you did it
>through hard work, and not by cheating!
>
>Lastly, if you are going to cheat, don't post to this
newsgroup, or any
>other microsoft newgroup for that matter, telling
everyone about it!
>
>--
>Ben
>
>IT Professional, MCP 70-210
>"On my way to becoming fully certifiable!"
>
>
>
>.
>

Re: Testking & Transcender - Exam Takers Please Read by Ben

Ben
Thu Jul 29 10:21:47 CDT 2004

"your daddy" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:69b601c47579$fb9ab810$a501280a@phx.gbl...
> you are a retard - even if you use study aids the eams are
> difficult - I hate titty babies like you
>
I think your confusing me with your mother