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    - Re: Leasing Time Issue "fmsmcse" <fmsmcse@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:8A2A00D1-0C26-4652-A4F2-93D59DA563C4@microsoft.com... > Ok, gotcha, but what if I tell you that I stopped the DHCP service and > rebooted 5 machines, 2 2k and 3 XP and only one XP got itself an APIPA A client will try to renew it's address when it is restarted, when ipconfig /renew is issued or when it reaches 50% of it's lease duration. If it fails during the last it will try again at 87% of the lease duration. > all the other kept their addresses as per the leasing period. This would not be likely. What is most likely occuring is that an alternate cofiguration has been added to the machines that seem to be renewing sans the DHCP server. I have had to do this in some really trashed networks to provide addresses for clients while fixing a DHCP server. > > How do you explain all being rebooted and just one doing what you said > it's > supposed to do? I can't explain why your clients aren't doing what they are supposed to be doing without more information. > Besides, I've not found a clue in the MS documentation regarding your > point, > stating the client would release the IP if it can not contact the DHCP > server, could you provide it? The client in a restart is requesting a renewal, it is not issuing a release. >Again, I just want help, I'm do not want to get > into a "fight". Check out this site and see if it helps: http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/e n-us/Default.asp?url=/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-u s/prjj_ipa_mbhh.asp LRM Tag: Re: Sorry to have bother you all Tag: 178755
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    - Re: Leasing Time Issue Ok, you have a remote pc receiving dhcp addresses from a dhcp server. The link goes down. While the link is down a pc has been rebooted. Well, it will not keep it's dhcp address because it will not have a DHCP server to tell it that the address is still leased to it. So it will try to ask for one and will not receive one and will give itself the APIPA address. The lease is only important if the machine isn't rebooted. So, earlier, when the other posters kept saying it couldn't see the dhcp server and that was the point. The other pc's kept their addresses because they hadn't rebooted. Run ipconfig /renew on the pc and all should be well as long as you don't have any issues with the card or other network devices between the pc and the dhcp server. -- LRM "fmsmcse" <fmsmcse@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:1171F898-B417-4E18-BAEA-68965F97ED81@microsoft.com... > That's exactly the issue, the client is in a remote site and the lease has > not expired. > For sure if the link is down, it should keep it's address until it > expires, > one MUST consider the leasing time. > > "JaR" wrote: > >> In microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse, =?Utf-8?B?Zm1zbWNzZQ==?= spewed >> across the ether: >> >> >> > Yes, it can't find the net, but it should keep the IP until the lease >> > expires if it couldn't contact the DHCP at 50% and 87,5% of the total >> > time for the end of the lease. >> >> Forget about the lease. If the client is giving itself an APIPA, it can't >> see the DHCP server for some reason. >> >> -- >> JaR >> MCNGP 10110 >> Remove hat to reply >> You can see a lot by just looking. ~Yogi Berra >> Tag: Re: Sorry to have bother you all Tag: 178754
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    - Re: Please Post More "James" <fake@email.com> wrote in news:e76YZ9G7FHA.444 @TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl: > This group is too inactive, and not enough knowledge is being shared. > > Please post more! > >:) > > MCGPGLMNOP #1 > > more. -- Rowdy Yates, MCNGP Thug #39 http://www.mcngp.com/ http://profiles.yahoo.com/rowdy_yates_mcngp Tag: Re: Sorry to have bother you all Tag: 178753
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    - Re: MCSE Exam Simulations >Alright, I'm not going to flame you, as I am wont to do. Because it seems >you're asking a genuine question, not knowing the answer, as opposed to >trying to sway us into believing that TestKings are good. Here's the skinny: > >TestKing, Actualtest, and any derivitave thereof ARE actual exam questions. >And they DO come from Microsoft - but not legally. What happens is these >idiots pay people to take the tests and write down the questions, word for >word, and what they think is the answer. Then they publish these, trying to >prey on peoples' greed. There is no simpler way to say it: This is cheating. Many thanks for the lucid intelligent reply. I am not trying to cheat and have no need to. When I attained a BSc from London University years ago that "revered institution" sold their own exam papers from previous years and probably still does. Does this not happen Stateside? That is all I am asking for - how can reading past papers be cheating? I have it on good advice that half the struggle with MS exams is grappling with the devious way in which the questions are composed, not the material itself. And yes I have read study guides, user manuals and gained years of experience in IT. This is not the first time I have come across posters who make rash and rapid assumptions about people - did I say Testking were any good? That's three questions in this post BTW but I don't think its me that's wasting space here OK fourth one - if these cowboys are selling answers written down by paid "sitters" is that why so many of the answers in their prodcuts are crap or at best highly debatable?! Thus he spake: " who climbs a hill without first knowing how steep is the hill?". Does a rhetorical question count? I'm losing count here. (Answer: A Turtle) Honest Joe Tag: Re: Sorry to have bother you all Tag: 178752
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    - Re: Leasing Time Issue That happens to 5 out of 100 machines and I've checked for alternate IP configs and there's nothing configured. The question is, why do these 5 clients only always release they IP? "LRM" wrote: > > > "fmsmcse" <fmsmcse@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:8A2A00D1-0C26-4652-A4F2-93D59DA563C4@microsoft.com... > > Ok, gotcha, but what if I tell you that I stopped the DHCP service and > > rebooted 5 machines, 2 2k and 3 XP and only one XP got itself an APIPA > > A client will try to renew it's address when it is restarted, > when ipconfig /renew is issued or when it reaches 50% of it's lease > duration. If it fails during the last it will try again at 87% of the lease > duration. > > > all the other kept their addresses as per the leasing period. > > This would not be likely. What is most likely occuring is that an alternate > cofiguration has been added to the machines that seem to be renewing sans > the DHCP server. I have had to do this in some really trashed networks to > provide addresses for clients while fixing a DHCP server. > > > > How do you explain all being rebooted and just one doing what you said > > it's > > supposed to do? > > I can't explain why your clients aren't doing what they are supposed to be > doing without more information. > > > Besides, I've not found a clue in the MS documentation regarding your > > point, > > stating the client would release the IP if it can not contact the DHCP > > server, could you provide it? > > The client in a restart is requesting a renewal, it is not issuing a > release. > > >Again, I just want help, I'm do not want to get > > into a "fight". > > Check out this site and see if it helps: > http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/e n-us/Default.asp?url=/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-u s/prjj_ipa_mbhh.asp > > LRM > > > Tag: Re: Sorry to have bother you all Tag: 178751
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    - Re: MCSE Exam Simulations <wgates@dell.com> wrote in message news:s3aun1l47021m63dmffi3lli2qs76soc3c@4ax.com... > Many thanks for the lucid intelligent reply. I am not trying to cheat > and have no need to. Good, but it seems that that is not always the case. >When I attained a BSc from London University > years ago that "revered institution" sold their own exam papers from > previous years and probably still does. Does this not happen > Stateside? Probably, but I never have paid for them. >That is all I am asking for - how can reading past papers > be cheating? It wouldn't be if Microsoft were the one's offering them up and they were questions that weren't going to be asked again. But that is not the case. >I have it on good advice that half the struggle with MS > exams is grappling with the devious way in which the questions are > composed, not the material itself. Not true, the questions as far as I have experienced aren't really devious at all. Sometimes they are very complex and you have to know the subject extremely well to answer them appropriately. That would be the point of the test, to measure knowledge of the product. > And yes I have read study guides, user manuals and gained years of > experience in IT. This is not the first time I have come across > posters who make rash and rapid assumptions about people - did I say > Testking were any good? No, you didn't. But, A$$FUSKRS don't usually make a point about which is good and which is bad. They are just interested in passing the tests in the easiest way possible. You do not seem to be one of them. I am sorry I didn't notice that first. I'm kinda knew here. > That's three questions in this post BTW but I don't think its me > that's wasting space here Now what does that mean exactly? > OK fourth one - if these cowboys are selling answers written down by > paid "sitters" is that why so many of the answers in their prodcuts > are crap or at best highly debatable?! Yes, that's why, and I have forgotten, did someone earlier say that or is this something you have noticed by acquiring these products? Oh, the most cost effective way to prepare yourself is really to build a network as cheaply as possible and use material from your local library and the mountain of documentation that comes with the the product in the help and support center. Classes are good if you don't know a certain aspect of the product. My downfall is still RRAS. I purchased a fifty dollar book that I could use at work and to help study and build the test environment as though I didn't have anything but windows machines and layer 2 switches. Seems weird, but it is Microsoft's product and their test I'm taking so, that's why I'm doing it. > Does a rhetorical question count? I'm losing count here. Ask all the questions you want, but, you may not always like the answers. > (Answer: A Turtle) I think the answer here is: it's turles all the way down. LRM When they have taken everything all you have left is your honor Tag: Re: Sorry to have bother you all Tag: 178750
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    - Re: Leasing Time Issue Again these five clients aren't releasing the ip, they are unable to renew it or receive acknowledgement of a leased ip. Something else on your network could be providing dhcp. A router that is dhcp enabled or a rogue dhcp server could be doing it. So, between yesterday and today you have had your dhcp server service stopped and you have rebooted 100 clients to test this theory?--And you have checked all 100 machines for alternate configurations? You might want to post in the windows networking group next. -- LRM "fmsmcse" <fmsmcse@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:D55F10B0-84AF-48AB-A23B-DE97CD14ECFD@microsoft.com... > That happens to 5 out of 100 machines and I've checked for alternate IP > configs and there's nothing configured. > > The question is, why do these 5 clients only always release they IP? > > "LRM" wrote: > >> >> >> "fmsmcse" <fmsmcse@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:8A2A00D1-0C26-4652-A4F2-93D59DA563C4@microsoft.com... >> > Ok, gotcha, but what if I tell you that I stopped the DHCP service and >> > rebooted 5 machines, 2 2k and 3 XP and only one XP got itself an APIPA >> >> A client will try to renew it's address when it is restarted, >> when ipconfig /renew is issued or when it reaches 50% of it's lease >> duration. If it fails during the last it will try again at 87% of the >> lease >> duration. >> >> > all the other kept their addresses as per the leasing period. >> >> This would not be likely. What is most likely occuring is that an >> alternate >> cofiguration has been added to the machines that seem to be renewing sans >> the DHCP server. I have had to do this in some really trashed networks to >> provide addresses for clients while fixing a DHCP server. >> > >> > How do you explain all being rebooted and just one doing what you said >> > it's >> > supposed to do? >> >> I can't explain why your clients aren't doing what they are supposed to >> be >> doing without more information. >> >> > Besides, I've not found a clue in the MS documentation regarding your >> > point, >> > stating the client would release the IP if it can not contact the DHCP >> > server, could you provide it? >> >> The client in a restart is requesting a renewal, it is not issuing a >> release. >> >> >Again, I just want help, I'm do not want to get >> > into a "fight". >> >> Check out this site and see if it helps: >> http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/e n-us/Default.asp?url=/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-u s/prjj_ipa_mbhh.asp >> >> LRM >> >> >> Tag: Re: Sorry to have bother you all Tag: 178749
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    - Re: Trying to sit for 70-290 "SJ" <no@nono.lol> schreef in bericht news:y4%cf.14432$aV6.274108@weber.videotron.net... > take a break, relax, try again later. > > "Mohamed Shafiee" <shafee_mohamed@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:ONzrPTh5FHA.2716@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... >> Hi, >> >> I'm trying to do the 70-290 exam... but I just keep on failing in all my >> practice exams... What am I going to do? >> I already have a test lab environment setup... Can anyone please help me? >> >> Shafiee. >> > > Hi. I've done 3 practice exams, scored 600 points the most. Last friday I went for the real thing. I passed with a score of 769 points. :) Grtz. MF. Tag: Re: Sorry to have bother you all Tag: 178748
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    - IIS Limits Hello we have several websites we like to limit the users to upload or using the Hard disk space like upto 3GB, is there any tool to monitor or control this activities? Thanks Gopi Tag: Re: Sorry to have bother you all Tag: 178747
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    - Re: clustering exam At least this MCNGP was useful this time This is better than the usual useless pointless sarcasm "JaR" <jrderby@lakabux.com> wrote in message news:Xns971193F4E1863Misanthrope@207.46.248.16... > In microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse, Jex spewed across the ether: > >> It seem that the mighty MCNGPs do not have an answer >> > > Is Google broke on your machine? "clustering exam for Windows 2003" > (without quotes)returned: > > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/community/chats/trans/training/mcsa0911 .ms > px > > Q: Will clustering solutions be offered as an elective as it was under > MCSE > 2000? If so, when can we expect the test to become available? > A: Currently, the Clustering exam (70-223) counts only toward the MCSE on > Microsoft Windows 2000 track. We do not currently have a clustering exam > for the Windows Server 2003 track. We will announce at a later date > if/when > an exam becomes available. > > http://mcpmag.com/examguide/allexamsdetails.asp?exam_select=173 (look at > 70-293 > > Sorry, that's all the research I'm prepared to do for you today. > > -- > JaR > MCNGP 10110 > Remove hat to reply > Democracy is three wolves and one sheep voting on what to have for supper Tag: Re: Sorry to have bother you all Tag: 178746
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    - Re: IIS Limits Gopi wrote: > Hello > > we have several websites > we like to limit the users to upload or using the Hard disk space > like upto 3GB, > is there any tool to monitor or control this activities? You mean like the disk quotas system that is built into Windows 2000 & 2003 and works perfectly well with websites, providing you assign each user their own Windows account and which you can find out lots of information about in the help file? Tag: Re: Sorry to have bother you all Tag: 178744
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    - Re: IIS Limits What this group needs is a bit of sarcasm :-) ..kurt "Robert Moir" <robspamtrap+msnews@gmail.com> wrote in message news:%23ucvz%23d7FHA.3544@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... > Gopi wrote: >> Hello >> >> we have several websites >> we like to limit the users to upload or using the Hard disk space >> like upto 3GB, >> is there any tool to monitor or control this activities? > > You mean like the disk quotas system that is built into Windows 2000 & > 2003 and works perfectly well with websites, providing you assign each > user their own Windows account and which you can find out lots of > information about in the help file? > Tag: Re: Sorry to have bother you all Tag: 178743
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    - Re: OT: Too many posts On Nov 18, 2005 at 5:19pm "Briscobar" blathered: > TechGeekPro <%username%@gmail.com> rambled: >> >> On Nov 18, 2005 at 4:43pm "Briscobar" blathered: >> >>> Minimum security prison >> >> I had a client in there once. He said the trick is: kick someone's >> a$$ the first day, or become somebody's b1tch. Then everything will >> be alright. > > Good good. Only a couple words off. You may need a refresher course, so > I dug this up for you: > > http://blake.prohosting.com/bamzone/office_space_transcript.html > > I could spend all day every day reading it and playing the movie back in > my head. I read through part of this page and I must say Bris 'ole buddy, your script, she is poo. Here's an example: BOB SLYDELL Believe me, this is hypocritical. But what if you were offered some kind of stock option and equity sharing program? IMDB's version: Bob Slydell: What if - and believe me this is hypothetical - but what if you were offered some kind of a stock option equity sharing program. Would that do anything for you? "Hypocritical"? C'mon. I mean really. Or how about: BOB SLYDELL Uh, we should move on to a Peter Gibbons. I had a chance to meet this young man and boy does he have Straight to Upper Management written all over him. IMDB's version: Bob Slydell: I'd like to move us right to Peter Gibbons. We had a chance to meet this young man, and boy that's just a straight shooter with upper management written all over him. Do I even need to comment on this one? Last, but not least: MILTON Excuse me. Excuse me, Senor. May I speak to you please? I asked for a mai tai, a margarita, and a pina colada. I asked for no salt, no salt in the margarita. But it had salt in it. (the waiter leaves) If you do that again, I won't be leaving a tip. I won't be putting one down. Sir? I could check into a competing resort... What happened to "big grains of salt"? Huh? Well? Ohhh... here it is, in IMDB's version:: Milton Waddams: Excuse me? Excuse me, senor? May I speak to you please? I asked for a mai tai, and they brought me a pina colada, and I said no salt, NO salt on the margarita, but it had salt on it, big grains of salt, floating in the glass... So, um... yeah, if you could just go ahead and get your facts straight the next time you try to "call me out", that would be great. I'd hate for rev to have to burn this place down. -- TGP MCNGP #100100 http://www.mcngp.com Mr. Osborne, may I be excused? My brain is full. Tag: Re: Sorry to have bother you all Tag: 178742
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    - Re: clustering exam On Nov 19, 2005 at 5:40pm "Jex" blathered: > This is better than the usual useless pointless sarcasm I would contend that sarcasm is never pointless. -- TGP MCNGP #100100 http://www.mcngp.com The worst thing about censorship is [deleted]. Tag: Re: Sorry to have bother you all Tag: 178741
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    - Re: OT: Too many posts Hmm... haven't looked at IMDB in a while. Where are the scripts? "TechGeekPro" <%username%@gmail.com> wrote in message news:Xns97141CB1B55Ftgp@127.0.0.1... > I read through part of this page and I must say Bris 'ole buddy, > your script, she is poo. > > Here's an example: > > BOB SLYDELL > Believe me, this is hypocritical. But what if you were offered some > kind of stock option and equity sharing program? > > IMDB's version: > > Bob Slydell: What if - and believe me this is hypothetical - but what if > you were offered some kind of a stock option equity sharing program. Would > that do anything for you? > > "Hypocritical"? C'mon. I mean really. > > Or how about: > > BOB SLYDELL > Uh, we should move on to a Peter Gibbons. I had a chance to meet this > young man and boy does he have Straight to Upper Management written all > over him. > > IMDB's version: > > Bob Slydell: I'd like to move us right to Peter Gibbons. We had a chance > to meet this young man, and boy that's just a straight shooter with upper > management written all over him. > > Do I even need to comment on this one? > > Last, but not least: > > MILTON > Excuse me. Excuse me, Senor. May I speak to you please? I asked for a > mai tai, a margarita, and a pina colada. I asked for no salt, no salt > in the margarita. But it had salt in it. (the waiter leaves) If you do > that again, I won't be leaving a tip. I won't be putting one down. Sir? > I could check into a competing resort... > > What happened to "big grains of salt"? Huh? Well? > > Ohhh... here it is, in IMDB's version:: > > Milton Waddams: Excuse me? Excuse me, senor? May I speak to you please? I > asked for a mai tai, and they brought me a pina colada, and I said no > salt, NO salt on the margarita, but it had salt on it, big grains of salt, > floating in the glass... > > So, um... yeah, if you could just go ahead and get your facts straight the > next time you try to "call me out", that would be great. I'd hate for rev > to have to burn this place down. > > -- > TGP MCNGP #100100 > http://www.mcngp.com > Mr. Osborne, may I be excused? My brain is full. Tag: Re: Sorry to have bother you all Tag: 178740
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    - Best order to take cert exams? (Exam 70-270): Installing, Configuring, and Administering Microsoft Windows XP Professional Is this the first test I should take? What's usually the best order to take them? Thanks Tag: Re: Sorry to have bother you all Tag: 178739
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    - Re: Please Post More "Rowdy Yates" <rowdy_yates@upyours.com> wrote in message news:Xns9712F222A6DC4rowdyyates2124@207.46.248.16... > "James" <fake@email.com> wrote in news:e76YZ9G7FHA.444 > @TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl: > >> This group is too inactive, and not enough knowledge is being shared. >> >> Please post more! >> >>:) >> >> MCGPGLMNOP #1 >> >> > > more. Thank you, Rowdy, for sharing your "knowledge". Tag: Re: Sorry to have bother you all Tag: 178738
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    - RE: Best order to take cert exams? I'd recommend you to test your knowledge before taking any given exam. In my case, I went to Client exam, then Server, then Networking and then Designs. Hope it helps. "leegold" wrote: > (Exam 70-270): Installing, Configuring, and Administering Microsoft Windows > XP Professional > > Is this the first test I should take? > > What's usually the best order to take them? > > Thanks > > > Tag: Re: Sorry to have bother you all Tag: 178737
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    - Re: locate.exe In article <#8akH9g7FHA.2040@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl>, gopigopi@hotmail.com says... > hello > in our network, several system affect by virus and i went on safe mode and > edit the registry, delete the values (locate.exe and hpws.exe) restart and > its works fine. > > after sometime, it affected again. (i cannot edit the registry or anything) > again i have to go thro safe mode. > > we are using Etrust Antivirus server, is there anyway to clean this? several > servers affected with this, and all are having up to date microsoft patches. > > Thanks > Gopi > > > This may help: http://www.microsoft.com/security/malwareremove/default.mspx Tag: Re: Sorry to have bother you all Tag: 178736
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    - RE: locate.exe Searching Google I found this info, hope it helps: http://info.ahnlab.com/securityinfo/virus_view_eng_new.jsp?SEQ_NO=2085 "Gopi" wrote: > hello > in our network, several system affect by virus and i went on safe mode and > edit the registry, delete the values (locate.exe and hpws.exe) restart and > its works fine. > > after sometime, it affected again. (i cannot edit the registry or anything) > again i have to go thro safe mode. > > we are using Etrust Antivirus server, is there anyway to clean this? several > servers affected with this, and all are having up to date microsoft patches. > > Thanks > Gopi > > > Tag: Re: Sorry to have bother you all Tag: 178735
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    - Re: Best order to take cert exams? On Nov 20, 2005 at 12:43pm "leegold" blathered: > (Exam 70-270): Installing, Configuring, and Administering Microsoft Windows > XP Professional Thanks for sharing. > Is this the first test I should take? Probably. > What's usually the best order to take them? I would start with the first one and then work my way toward the last. > Thanks Welcome. -- TGP MCNGP #100100 http://www.mcngp.com Signatures are usually made to compensate for the boring contents. Tag: Re: Sorry to have bother you all Tag: 178734
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    - Re: OT: Too many posts On Nov 20, 2005 at 2:47am "Microcephalic S. Bob" blathered: > Hmm... haven't looked at IMDB in a while. Where are the scripts? I've always just pulled them up when I Google: "[some word(s)] office space quote", but there are quotes (and a link to more) on each movies page. -- TGP MCNGP #100100 http://www.mcngp.com Spammers, please add "nospam" to address. Tag: Re: Sorry to have bother you all Tag: 178733
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    - computertraining.com llc hey all, Anyone taken their certification courses through ComputerTraining.com LLC? I was just wondering how is your experiences with this program/school? Was it a good and sound investment that you have invested your time in? was it a good pay off...etc. Please share your experiences, I'm considering to go into this program/school. Just want to know what others thinks of it. Thanks. Tag: Re: Sorry to have bother you all Tag: 178732
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    - Re: Best order to take cert exams? In article <OwPAIjf7FHA.3416@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl>, goldtech@worldpost.com says... > (Exam 70-270): Installing, Configuring, and Administering Microsoft Windows > XP Professional > > Is this the first test I should take? > > What's usually the best order to take them? > > Thanks > > > Take the exams that you feel most comfortable with the technology first. This will help you gain confidence (hopefully) and get used to the way exams work. Tag: Re: Sorry to have bother you all Tag: 178731
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    - Re: Please Post More On Nov 20, 2005 at 3:46am "Microcephalic S. Bob" blathered: > > "Rowdy Yates" <rowdy_yates@upyours.com> wrote in message > news:Xns9712F222A6DC4rowdyyates2124@207.46.248.16... >> "James" <fake@email.com> wrote in news:e76YZ9G7FHA.444 >> @TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl: >> >>> This group is too inactive, and not enough knowledge is being shared. >>> >>> Please post more! >>> >>>:) >>> >>> MCGPGLMNOP #1 >>> >>> >> >> more. > > Thank you, Rowdy, for sharing your "knowledge". I know my life has improved exponentially since I've read that post. More indeed. -- TGP MCNGP #100100 http://www.mcngp.com Excuse me, I believe you have my stapler... Tag: Re: Sorry to have bother you all Tag: 178730
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    - DHCP Leasing Client01 one leases an IP and so does Client02. One hour after their leasing, the DHCP server goes down. Client01 and Client02 have to reboot for any reason. After rebooting, Client01 maintains its IP address, as per the leasing expiration. Client02 releases the IP (remember they both have the same leasing period) for some reason. Both clients are Windows XP, and their behavior is expected to be the same, since they have the same TCP/IP configuration. They are in the same subnet and both can find the default gateway. No alternate IP is assigned. Any clue about why Client02 would release its IP before the leasing time expires? Remember Client01 has the same config and does not release the IP. Tag: Re: Sorry to have bother you all Tag: 178729
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    - Re: DHCP Leasing In article <1FC4E5F9-6F61-48AD-BC80-1A736CDC4899@microsoft.com>, fmsmcse@discussions.microsoft.com says... > Client01 one leases an IP and so does Client02. > One hour after their leasing, the DHCP server goes down. > Client01 and Client02 have to reboot for any reason. > > After rebooting, Client01 maintains its IP address, as per the leasing > expiration. Client02 releases the IP (remember they both have the same > leasing period) for some reason. > > Both clients are Windows XP, and their behavior is expected to be the same, > since they have the same TCP/IP configuration. They are in the same subnet > and both can find the default gateway. No alternate IP is assigned. > > Any clue about why Client02 would release its IP before the leasing time > expires? > Remember Client01 has the same config and does not release the IP. This is not quite how DHCP leases work. DHCP leases are controlled by the DHCP server, not the client. When a DHCP client reboots, after the IP stack is started, it issues a DCHP Discovery packet, if the DHCP servers that receive the broadcast respond with a Acknowledge packet. If the DHCP server that acknowledges the client was the one that issued the address the client has cached, the client will request it in the Request packet, if the lease is still active, the DHCP server will respond with a Offer package for the address and the lease time is reset. If the DHCP server is not online when the client reboots, the client will use an APIPA address and continue to rebroadcast a Discovery packet every 5 minutes (2000 and later). As for why the two XP clients are behaving differntly, my guess is that the network IP properties on each client are configured differently. Most likely, APIPA is turned off on Client01. Client02 is working as expected. If you would like to learn more about this I suggest reading the RFC on DHCP (while boring as heck, if there is no better source for learning DHCP, which is a pretty simple protocol) and/or installing a network monitor and watching DHCP traffic. Tag: Re: Sorry to have bother you all Tag: 178728
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    - Re: Best order to take cert exams? Ben Smith <online_bensmi@microsoft.com> wrote in news:MPG.1dea98acd4c4f891989856@msnews.microsoft.com: > In article <OwPAIjf7FHA.3416@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl>, > goldtech@worldpost.com says... >> (Exam 70-270): Installing, Configuring, and Administering Microsoft >> Windows XP Professional >> >> Is this the first test I should take? >> >> What's usually the best order to take them? >> >> Thanks >> >> >> > > Take the exams that you feel most comfortable with the technology > first. This will help you gain confidence (hopefully) and get used to > the way exams work. > Hi, I'm an MCSE instructor. I always recommend my students take the client exam first, then server. I also don't recommend you go near either until you have a good grasp of IP addressing and basic IP configuration/routing on a LAN. You'll get low-level questions in this area on both tests. The problem with the MCSE track is neither are really taught until the Implementing a Network exam. I recommend taking the rest in order, 70-291, 70-294, 70-294. I also recommend that you take whichever Design exam you are planning on taking LAST! The Design exams are the hardest, and they also tend to build on mos tof the knowledge you've hopefully gained in the first 6 exams. Goo Luck! Robert Coulter Net+, MCP+I, MCSE-NT, MCSE-2K, MCSE-2K3 Tag: Re: Sorry to have bother you all Tag: 178727
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    - Re: Best order to take cert exams? "Robert Coulter" <aw3740@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9714C7C46A0CAaw3740hotmailcom@216.196.97.131... > Ben Smith <online_bensmi@microsoft.com> wrote in > news:MPG.1dea98acd4c4f891989856@msnews.microsoft.com: > > > In article <OwPAIjf7FHA.3416@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl>, > > goldtech@worldpost.com says... > >> (Exam 70-270): Installing, Configuring, and Administering Microsoft > >> Windows XP Professional > >> > >> Is this the first test I should take? Thanks for the help! > >> > >> What's usually the best order to take them? > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> > >> > > > > Take the exams that you feel most comfortable with the technology > > first. This will help you gain confidence (hopefully) and get used to > > the way exams work. > > > > Hi, > > I'm an MCSE instructor. I always recommend my students take the client > exam first, then server. I also don't recommend you go near either until > you have a good grasp of IP addressing and basic IP configuration/routing > on a LAN. You'll get low-level questions in this area on both tests. The > problem with the MCSE track is neither are really taught until the > Implementing a Network exam. > > I recommend taking the rest in order, 70-291, 70-294, 70-294. I also > recommend that you take whichever Design exam you are planning on taking > LAST! The Design exams are the hardest, and they also tend to build on > mos tof the knowledge you've hopefully gained in the first 6 exams. > > Goo Luck! > > Robert Coulter > Net+, MCP+I, MCSE-NT, MCSE-2K, MCSE-2K3 > Tag: Re: Sorry to have bother you all Tag: 178726
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    - Re: IIS Limits In article <#ucvz#d7FHA.3544@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl>, robspamtrap+msnews@gmail.com says... > Gopi wrote: > > Hello > > > > we have several websites > > we like to limit the users to upload or using the Hard disk space > > like upto 3GB, > > is there any tool to monitor or control this activities? > > You mean like the disk quotas system that is built into Windows 2000 & 2003 > and works perfectly well with websites, providing you assign each user their > own Windows account and which you can find out lots of information about in > the help file? > > > Depending on the content upload mechanism, this may or may not work, because disk quotas are calculated by the file owner bit. If the content management mechanism or server config has teh files owned by a service account or the administrator, quotas will not work. Tag: Re: Sorry to have bother you all Tag: 178725
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    - Re: DHCP Leasing In article <07500AAC-1D8C-4DD8-A306-0DE62086D322@microsoft.com>, fmsmcse@discussions.microsoft.com says... > Wonder the following situation, you've centralized your IP distribution in a > main site and several sites, let's say 15 sites, all depend on the main one > to get an IP. > > All clients in the 15 sites have gotten an IP early in the morning and then > at midday the link goes down for all 15 sites to the main site and, as you > are lucky enough, there's a power down in those 15 sites. > By what you explained, all the clients would get an APIPA then...?? Exactly. And this is one of the exact scenarios APIPA was designed for, because in this scenario all of the hosts would be able communicate with each other in the APIPA address space. > > "Ben Smith" wrote: > > > In article <1FC4E5F9-6F61-48AD-BC80-1A736CDC4899@microsoft.com>, > > fmsmcse@discussions.microsoft.com says... > > > Client01 one leases an IP and so does Client02. > > > One hour after their leasing, the DHCP server goes down. > > > Client01 and Client02 have to reboot for any reason. > > > > > > After rebooting, Client01 maintains its IP address, as per the leasing > > > expiration. Client02 releases the IP (remember they both have the same > > > leasing period) for some reason. > > > > > > Both clients are Windows XP, and their behavior is expected to be the same, > > > since they have the same TCP/IP configuration. They are in the same subnet > > > and both can find the default gateway. No alternate IP is assigned. > > > > > > Any clue about why Client02 would release its IP before the leasing time > > > expires? > > > Remember Client01 has the same config and does not release the IP. > > > > This is not quite how DHCP leases work. DHCP leases are controlled by > > the DHCP server, not the client. > > > > When a DHCP client reboots, after the IP stack is started, it issues a > > DCHP Discovery packet, if the DHCP servers that receive the broadcast > > respond with a Acknowledge packet. If the DHCP server that acknowledges > > the client was the one that issued the address the client has cached, > > the client will request it in the Request packet, if the lease is still > > active, the DHCP server will respond with a Offer package for the > > address and the lease time is reset. > > > > If the DHCP server is not online when the client reboots, the client > > will use an APIPA address and continue to rebroadcast a Discovery packet > > every 5 minutes (2000 and later). > > > > As for why the two XP clients are behaving differntly, my guess is that > > the network IP properties on each client are configured differently. > > Most likely, APIPA is turned off on Client01. Client02 is working as > > expected. > > > > If you would like to learn more about this I suggest reading the RFC on > > DHCP (while boring as heck, if there is no better source for learning > > DHCP, which is a pretty simple protocol) and/or installing a network > > monitor and watching DHCP traffic. > > > Tag: Re: Sorry to have bother you all Tag: 178724
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    - Re: computertraining.com llc I heard their ad in Washington, DC the other day. If you are going to spend $25,000 on ANY school...I would highly recommend Strayer, Georgetown Extension, or something that will carry *ACCREDITED* hours which could be applied towards a college program or certificate. Remember that certifications age and expire, but a degree lasts a lifetime...even if you started to learn programming with punchcards or the Apple 6502 processor, loading applicaitons via tape, or waiting for your application, in the queue, to be executed. Hey, this stuff was still around in the late 80's and early 90's. So, your MCSE 2003 might not mean squat in 2010, but that Bachelors degree or that Masters degree will still be a degree. Granted, it may be a bit dated in 20 years...but so will you. ***That having been said, if you have experience and you have a degree, I would still consider spending $25,000 with Strayer or Georgetown Extension, or some other college. If it were $6,000, it would be a different story. Bob -- Bob Christian II MVP - LCS http://bobchristian.blogspot.com - Blog "twistedscience" <eatsatjoes@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1132515907.740925.305800@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > hey all, > > Anyone taken their certification courses through ComputerTraining.com > LLC? > > I was just wondering how is your experiences with this program/school? > Was it a good and sound investment that you have invested your time in? > was it a good pay off...etc. > > Please share your experiences, > > I'm considering to go into this program/school. > > Just want to know what others thinks of it. > > Thanks. > Tag: Re: Sorry to have bother you all Tag: 178723
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    - Re: DHCP Leasing Wonder the following situation, you've centralized your IP distribution in a main site and several sites, let's say 15 sites, all depend on the main one to get an IP. All clients in the 15 sites have gotten an IP early in the morning and then at midday the link goes down for all 15 sites to the main site and, as you are lucky enough, there's a power down in those 15 sites. By what you explained, all the clients would get an APIPA then...?? "Ben Smith" wrote: > In article <1FC4E5F9-6F61-48AD-BC80-1A736CDC4899@microsoft.com>, > fmsmcse@discussions.microsoft.com says... > > Client01 one leases an IP and so does Client02. > > One hour after their leasing, the DHCP server goes down. > > Client01 and Client02 have to reboot for any reason. > > > > After rebooting, Client01 maintains its IP address, as per the leasing > > expiration. Client02 releases the IP (remember they both have the same > > leasing period) for some reason. > > > > Both clients are Windows XP, and their behavior is expected to be the same, > > since they have the same TCP/IP configuration. They are in the same subnet > > and both can find the default gateway. No alternate IP is assigned. > > > > Any clue about why Client02 would release its IP before the leasing time > > expires? > > Remember Client01 has the same config and does not release the IP. > > This is not quite how DHCP leases work. DHCP leases are controlled by > the DHCP server, not the client. > > When a DHCP client reboots, after the IP stack is started, it issues a > DCHP Discovery packet, if the DHCP servers that receive the broadcast > respond with a Acknowledge packet. If the DHCP server that acknowledges > the client was the one that issued the address the client has cached, > the client will request it in the Request packet, if the lease is still > active, the DHCP server will respond with a Offer package for the > address and the lease time is reset. > > If the DHCP server is not online when the client reboots, the client > will use an APIPA address and continue to rebroadcast a Discovery packet > every 5 minutes (2000 and later). > > As for why the two XP clients are behaving differntly, my guess is that > the network IP properties on each client are configured differently. > Most likely, APIPA is turned off on Client01. Client02 is working as > expected. > > If you would like to learn more about this I suggest reading the RFC on > DHCP (while boring as heck, if there is no better source for learning > DHCP, which is a pretty simple protocol) and/or installing a network > monitor and watching DHCP traffic. > Tag: Re: Sorry to have bother you all Tag: 178722
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    - Re: DHCP Leasing Answers in line "fmsmcse" <fmsmcse@discussions.microsoft.com> Persisted in message news:1FC4E5F9-6F61-48AD-BC80-1A736CDC4899@microsoft.com... > Client01 one leases an IP and so does Client02. > One hour after their leasing, the DHCP server goes down. Your DHCP server going down would trouble me most. > Client01 and Client02 have to reboot for any reason. > > After rebooting, Client01 maintains its IP address, as per the leasing > expiration. Client02 releases the IP (remember they both have the same > leasing period) for some reason. > > Both clients are Windows XP, and their behavior is expected to be the > same, > since they have the same TCP/IP configuration. They are in the same subnet > and both can find the default gateway. No alternate IP is assigned. > > Any clue about why Client02 would release its IP before the leasing time > expires? Nocturnal gave you a clue last week when he asked if your DHCP client service was disabled. Check that this service is working properly (remember to check the services it depends on as well). If it fails to start in a timely manner your ip address will become 0.0.0.0 and if the service comes on line a few moments later your macine will begin to look for the DHCP server asking for an IP address. When no response is received Client02 will give itself an APIPA. > Remember Client01 has the same config and does not release the IP. TCP/IP configs may be the same, but services and other hardware may not be equal. As for the question of the dhcp info remaining after reboot on Client01, the registry holds the answer to this please see: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;314053 If you continue to have trouble please post in: microsoft.public.windows.server.networking group. LRM ...and answer came there none -- and that was scarcely odd because they'd eaten everyone. ~Lewis Carroll: Through the Looking Glass Tag: Re: Sorry to have bother you all Tag: 178721
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    - Re: Best order to take cert exams? Robert - If you are actively teaching, you should consider applying for your MCT and/or your CTT! It would be a great cert to add to your alphabet soup! -- Bob Christian II MVP - LCS http://bobchristian.blogspot.com - Blog "Robert Coulter" <aw3740@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9714C7C46A0CAaw3740hotmailcom@216.196.97.131... > Ben Smith <online_bensmi@microsoft.com> wrote in > news:MPG.1dea98acd4c4f891989856@msnews.microsoft.com: > >> In article <OwPAIjf7FHA.3416@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl>, >> goldtech@worldpost.com says... >>> (Exam 70-270): Installing, Configuring, and Administering Microsoft >>> Windows XP Professional >>> >>> Is this the first test I should take? >>> >>> What's usually the best order to take them? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> >>> >> >> Take the exams that you feel most comfortable with the technology >> first. This will help you gain confidence (hopefully) and get used to >> the way exams work. >> > > Hi, > > I'm an MCSE instructor. I always recommend my students take the client > exam first, then server. I also don't recommend you go near either until > you have a good grasp of IP addressing and basic IP configuration/routing > on a LAN. You'll get low-level questions in this area on both tests. The > problem with the MCSE track is neither are really taught until the > Implementing a Network exam. > > I recommend taking the rest in order, 70-291, 70-294, 70-294. I also > recommend that you take whichever Design exam you are planning on taking > LAST! The Design exams are the hardest, and they also tend to build on > mos tof the knowledge you've hopefully gained in the first 6 exams. > > Goo Luck! > > Robert Coulter > Net+, MCP+I, MCSE-NT, MCSE-2K, MCSE-2K3 > Tag: Re: Sorry to have bother you all Tag: 178720
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    - Re: computertraining.com llc I do recommend taking at least one class from a Microsoft certified learning center (CTEC/CPLS) or a College that offers the Microsoft tracs. If you are looking to get a cert and knock it out, and you have some experience, and most importantly, money to burn... ...the Intense Schoole was pretty good for the price http://www.intenseschool.com/ However, Vigilar has purchased it...and there is no telling what the price is now. ...Extreme Logic was pretty good http://www.hp.com/education/sections/microsoft.html However, HP has purchased it...and, again, pricing is a question. Personally, if you are spending more than $6,000 you could almost teach yourself for less than half of that. Purchase the self-paced training kit for Windows 2003 (~$125) (bookpool.com is my fave); a workstation, or workstations, with plenty of RAM, or a RAM upgrade to your current system ($500-$2000); an inexpensive Linksys hub and Cat5 cables ($30-$50) to connect to your current network; and VMWare Workstation or Virtual PC ($150). You can use the 120-day trials that are out on the net to build your systems. If you really need hands-on instruction, I would also recommend purchasing the CBT Nuggets ($899). They do a really good job. Plan on studying 2-3 hours per day and plan on taking a test once every 2 weeks. First, you could learn from Microsoft's elearning site. There are some free courses there. http://www.microsoft.com/learning/elearning.asp Bob -- Bob Christian II MVP - LCS http://bobchristian.blogspot.com - Blog "twistedscience" <eatsatjoes@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1132552732.220036.193650@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >I see...Thanks for the response. I will considered more carefully on > this option. > Tag: Re: Sorry to have bother you all Tag: 178719
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    - Re: computertraining.com llc >I heard their ad in Washington, DC the other day. If you are going to spend >$25,000 .... I really am in the wrong business...... Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3 Tag: Re: Sorry to have bother you all Tag: 178718
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    - Re: computertraining.com llc I see...Thanks for the response. I will considered more carefully on this option. Tag: Re: Sorry to have bother you all Tag: 178717
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    - Re: Best order to take cert exams? >Thanks for the help! don't forget to tie your shoe laces before you leave for work this morning.... Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3 Tag: Re: Sorry to have bother you all Tag: 178716
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    - Re: Leasing Time Issue >I'm really impressed how people wast their time here replying useless >information and helpless.... What a joke. pot, meet kettle Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3 Tag: Re: Sorry to have bother you all Tag: 178715
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    - Re: locate.exe >in our network, several system affect by virus and i went on safe mode and >edit the registry, delete the values (locate.exe and hpws.exe) restart and >its works fine. > >after sometime, it affected again. (i cannot edit the registry or anything) >again i have to go thro safe mode. please tell me you do not work for the defense department..... Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3 Tag: Re: Sorry to have bother you all Tag: 178714
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    - Re: MCSE Exam Simulations >Many thanks for the lucid intelligent reply. I am not trying to cheat >and have no need to. When I attained a BSc from London University >years ago that "revered institution" sold their own exam papers from >previous years and probably still does. Does this not happen >Stateside? That is all I am asking for - how can reading past papers >be cheating? >I have it on good advice that half the struggle with MS >exams is grappling with the devious way in which the questions are >composed, not the material itself. First of all the format of these ms exams cannot be compared to what you have to achieve in order to become a baccalaureate. The format of the ms exams is no more than simple point 'n' click/drag 'n' drop type questions, with the actual answers actually presented to you up front. So, you simple have to choose/construct the answer from what's given to you. Nowhere do you 'write' anything about your answers, or describe and explain, in your 'own' words, how you came to an answer; in other words, answering the question does not prove an understanding of the question being answered. In addition there is no course work as such that is graded as part of your overall assessment.. The format of the exams make them very easy, and thus open to 'practice test' providers being able to exploit them for profit. It is also, sadly, very easy for people to cheat using brain dumps or 'products' from certain 'practice test' providers, which has undermined their value to such an extent that the so called 'certifications' they lead to have become worthless in real world and have simply resulted in an endless supply of unqualified, yet so called 'ms certified' people who have simply achieved this status by memorizing the answers to questions which they don't even understand. >And yes I have read study guides, user manuals and gained years of >experience in IT. Then you will no problem whatsoever in passing these exams. Simply use the prep guide for each exam and examine/research the topics you do not feel you fully understand. >This is not the first time I have come across >posters who make rash and rapid assumptions about people - did I say >Testking were any good? >That's three questions in this post BTW but I don't think its me >that's wasting space here My own view is that all so called practice test provider, simply highlight the fact the format of the exams is [currently] crap. >OK fourth one - if these cowboys are selling answers written down by >paid "sitters" is that why so many of the answers in their prodcuts >are crap or at best highly debatable?! They can sell their 'products' because they have a market of people willing to affectively 'buy' a pass in the exam(s). Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3 Tag: Re: Sorry to have bother you all Tag: 178713
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    - Re: MCSE Exam Simulations >Oh, the most cost effective way to prepare yourself is really to build a >network as cheaply as possible and use material from your local library and >the mountain of documentation that comes with the the product in the help >and support center. Classes are good if you don't know a certain aspect of >the product. My downfall is still RRAS. I purchased a fifty dollar book that >I could use at work and to help study and build the test environment as >though I didn't have anything but windows machines and layer 2 switches. >Seems weird, but it is Microsoft's product and their test I'm taking so, >that's why I'm doing it. You missed out the very important point about actual real world experience. It's all very well building a 'home lab' in order to 'learn' about the product, but this hardly counts in the real world where situations are completely different. Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3 Tag: Re: Sorry to have bother you all Tag: 178712
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    - Re: An Open Letter To Microsoft Corp >remember, we need as many combatants >as we can get in order to defend our stalingrad. > >Jim Dale >Political Commissar, soviet 62nd army ifypfu Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3 Tag: Re: Sorry to have bother you all Tag: 178711
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    - Re: An Open Letter To Microsoft Corp >Shout out to my bud, you know who you are. ok it's me, I've got 'em. I promise I'll bring 'em back tomorrow.... wait, er... we are here talking about the old MCNGP pliers, right :-) Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3 Tag: Re: Sorry to have bother you all Tag: 178710
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    - Re: MCSE Exam Simulations "TestKing, Actualtest, and any derivitave thereof ARE actual exam questions. And they DO come from Microsoft - but not legally" Obviously any examing body will want to enforce copyright on their papers, either to sell the past questions themselves or to prevent others from disseminating them by whatever means. I have had a quick look at the websites of the firms mentioned in this thread and others. The ones I've seen have USA postal addresses and bona fide telephone numbers. If they are committing a copyright/piracy offence in the eyes of the law, the consumer, MS etc etc then they are doing so "up front" with impuity - Why and how is it so easy? Examinee Tag: Re: Sorry to have bother you all Tag: 178709
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    - Re: Tuesday Topic > 93 spam.thisbio...@gmail.com I'm in the top 10. Dang, it has been slow around here. -- aka Doom MCNGP #38 Is that a burdizzo in your pocket or are you just glad to see me. Tag: Re: Sorry to have bother you all Tag: 178708
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    - Re: MCSE Exam Simulations >The ones I've seen have USA postal addresses and bona fide telephone >numbers. >If they are committing a copyright/piracy offence in the eyes of the >law, the consumer, MS etc etc then they are doing so "up front" with >impuity - Why and how is it so easy? Beats me. I've always found it a bit strange that such operations appear to operate from within, yet nothing is apparently done about it. Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3 Tag: Re: Sorry to have bother you all Tag: 178707
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    - Re: Friday Frivolity >> http://www.sloganizer.net/en/ > >"The magic of MCNGP" stupid people - Think different Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3 Tag: Re: Sorry to have bother you all Tag: 178706

"Ed" <#> wrote in news:11nsif45j73mee0@corp.supernews.com:

> I came to this newsgroup believing it to be related Microsoft
> certification, opps my bad! I guess MCSE must mean something else to
> you under 5's out there, so I'm sorry to have troubled you. Anyway you
> all take care now and remember to brush your teeth before you go to
> bed at 8pm tonight!
>
>

yes. it did come with fries but someone ate the long ones.

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