Semi-OT: Tuesday Tools

http://kgbarchiver.sourceforge.net/

WinZip not cutting it anymore? WinRAR not compressing enough? Try this.

Can compress a 430MB MS Office ISO down to 1.4MB....small enough to fit on a
floppy. Of course, it comes with higher hardware requirements, but they
don't look terribly hard to meet. Especially for the technically inclined,
who have better machines than the regular internet scum.

Have not tried it myself, but fully intend to mess around with it.

--
KB

MCNGP #26
www.mcngp.com claims to have seen the Loch Ness monster on several
occasions.

kpg
Tue Mar 28 16:15:20 CST 2006

As Briscobar once said in microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse

> http://kgbarchiver.sourceforge.net/

Interesting.

You know, information theory has given us a theoretical limit to how
much compression you can do. I played around with Huffman coding
and it was quite fascinating, to get the most compression, the trick
is to break the input into parts that can be compressed near the
optimal level. WinZip using a 4k sliding window to do this, but if
you take the time to analyze the file completely you should be able
to achieve very good compression. I worte a decent one in QuickBasic
a long time ago - very, very slow but fun.

kpg
Tue Mar 28 16:51:31 CST 2006

It really quite clever.

Assume you have an ASCII file, count the occurrence of
each character in the file and you end up with a table
showing, for example, you have 217 'e's , 119 'a's and
so on, from most to least. The character that occurs
the most is represented with a binary 01. That takes
up only 2 bits instead of the 8 bits normally occupied
by an 'e". The next most frequent character you represent
with a 011, and so on. You need the leading 0 because
we are throwing away the 8 bit boundary that normally
allows us to understand a file, we need to be able to
tell where one character ends and another starts when its
time to uncompress. So all characters start with a 0 and
contain no zeros internally. After the eighth character
the coding starts taking up more room than the original
eight bits, but that's ok, because there are fewer of them,
also, the sequence of ones can be encoded with a count
instead of the actual ones themselves. Now this type of
compression works best when there are a small number of
repeated characters and they are repeated many times, like
in a text document. When the file is binary, like an exe,
there is a more random distribution of characters, ranging
from 0 to 255,. In that case the file is sectioned off, in
say 4k blocks, so that locally there is a lot of repeated
characters, perhaps long stings of nulls where buffers will
reside. Anyway, there are many tricks to optimize the
compression at the expense of time spent analyzing the file.

I'll stop here because I see you nodding off, and I think
I've sufficiently demonstrated that I'm smarter than you.

kpg
Tue Mar 28 16:48:10 CST 2006

As Jtyc once said in microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse

> # Name resolution details: file://c:\temp\193810.htm (3/28/2006
> 4:47:43 PM) # What's the big deal? I don't need the space.
>
>
> I use Stacker.
>
>
>

I love(ed) stacker!

Jtyc
Tue Mar 28 16:45:59 CST 2006

What's the big deal? I don't need the space.


I use Stacker.

Jtyc
Tue Mar 28 17:31:40 CST 2006

Yeah... I don't speak freaky deaky Dutch.

Breadteaser
Tue Mar 28 20:54:01 CST 2006

Maan.. Who cares anymore about that zip/rarr crap?
The world of GB and GHz can hold the entire enterprise in a single hard
drive. And if you not awake yet, checkout the iPods in stores near you.
Itâ??s the size of a credit card. and you can download to it up to 60GB of
mcngp crap if you wish



"Briscobar" wrote:

> http://kgbarchiver.sourceforge.net/
>
> WinZip not cutting it anymore? WinRAR not compressing enough? Try this.
>
> Can compress a 430MB MS Office ISO down to 1.4MB....small enough to fit on a
> floppy. Of course, it comes with higher hardware requirements, but they
> don't look terribly hard to meet. Especially for the technically inclined,
> who have better machines than the regular internet scum.
>
> Have not tried it myself, but fully intend to mess around with it.
>
> --
> KB
>
> MCNGP #26
> www.mcngp.com claims to have seen the Loch Ness monster on several
> occasions.
>
>
>

LRM
Tue Mar 28 21:11:29 CST 2006

All gawked in amazement when: Bread-teaser assaulted us with:
<snipped out the uninteresting bits>
> if you wish
>
>
>
Ah ha! So you're the wish granter.
I wish you'd get a real news reader.
--
LRM
MCNGP 7^2
www.mcngp.com home of the bogosity singularity.

Breadteaser
Tue Mar 28 21:42:01 CST 2006

Why would I want real news reader?
I can read your brains without having to downloading it.

--
Bread teaser
The mans rule in life is to think, eat sh$t and sleep


"LRM" wrote:

> All gawked in amazement when: Bread-teaser assaulted us with:
> <snipped out the uninteresting bits>
> > if you wish
> >
> >
> >
> Ah ha! So you're the wish granter.
> I wish you'd get a real news reader.
> --
> LRM
> MCNGP 7^2
> www.mcngp.com home of the bogosity singularity.
>
>
>

loopback
Wed Mar 29 03:31:01 CST 2006

*yawn*

--
LoopBack


"Bread-teaser" wrote:

> Why would I want real news reader?
> I can read your brains without having to downloading it.
>
> --
> Bread teaser
> The mans rule in life is to think, eat sh$t and sleep
>
>
> "LRM" wrote:
>
> > All gawked in amazement when: Bread-teaser assaulted us with:
> > <snipped out the uninteresting bits>
> > > if you wish
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > Ah ha! So you're the wish granter.
> > I wish you'd get a real news reader.
> > --
> > LRM
> > MCNGP 7^2
> > www.mcngp.com home of the bogosity singularity.
> >
> >
> >

Neil
Wed Mar 29 06:44:11 CST 2006

did you hear "LRM" <Fskspam@friedspam.com> say in news:eBab75tUGHA.4740
@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl:

> I wish you'd get a real news reader.

I wish you would too ;)

--
The InterNeil MCNGP Triple X

- Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

Neil
Wed Mar 29 06:55:25 CST 2006

did you hear =?Utf-8?B?QnJlYWQtdGVhc2Vy?=
<Breadteaser@discussions.microsoft.com> say in news:3AC61DDE-7B21-482D-
9F7A-DC670CFC6088@microsoft.com:

> The world of GB and GHz can hold the entire enterprise in a single hard
> drive.

wow, that's hugely short sighted. As the GB and GHz go up so do data
center costs. Increases in GHz will increase cooling requirements.
Datacenter A/C ain't cheap. As for Gb, most datacenters deal in Tb now
(thanks for playing) so storage still costs money. Personally, I worry
about storage required for SQL backups and have investigated the various
backups compression options. And guess what, those tools are typically
based on things like PKZip and WinZip.

--
The InterNeil MCNGP Triple X

- Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

Frisbee®
Wed Mar 29 07:32:53 CST 2006

"kpg" <no@way.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9794A55DF7123ipostthereforeiam@127.0.0.1...
> As Briscobar once said in microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse
>
>> http://kgbarchiver.sourceforge.net/?wp_ml=0
>
> Interesting.
>
> You know, information theory has given us a theoretical limit to how
> much compression you can do. I played around with Huffman coding
> and it was quite fascinating, to get the most compression, the trick
> is to break the input into parts that can be compressed near the
> optimal level. WinZip using a 4k sliding window to do this, but if
> you take the time to analyze the file completely you should be able
> to achieve very good compression. I worte a decent one in QuickBasic
> a long time ago - very, very slow but fun.

Small world. About fifteen years ago, I did the same kind of work with PDS.
Ethan Winer was then the president of Crescent Software, and was impressed
with a bug I'd found in his QuickPak software (he provided assembler source
code with his software), and asked me to see what I could do with
compression software. I studied quite a bit, but most samples were in C. I
knew enough C to be able to pick up on it, though. Problem was, he really
wanted the code to be in BASIC, if possible. I was doing LZW stuff, and
while it was quite efficient, it was slow as hell. I'd spend three times as
much time trying to optimize code as time spent doing the original code. I
was even using his own alternate libraries for PDS, which did make it faster
than stock PDS, but still it was unacceptable. I wound up telling him it
would probably never sell unless at least part of it was written in
assembler. I still have the source code for it all.

It was a pretty cool learning experience, at least.

kpg
Wed Mar 29 07:53:43 CST 2006

Observation:

Programs, Operatiing systems, and the data they generate are like
goldfish. They grow to the size of their container...or...er..disk
space.

This message brought to you by the people that make my dual-core
pentium 4GHz run like an 8MHz 8088.

kp "It's the Microsoft way" g

kpg
Wed Mar 29 08:10:21 CST 2006

> Yeah... I don't speak freaky deaky Dutch.

Well good, because Huffman coding actually uses a binary tree,
and the encoding is comprised of zeros and ones that describe
how to traverse the tree to find the encoded character.
Frequent characters are at the top of the tree, which uses the
shortest coding, rare characters at the bottom.

Don't get me started on Run Length Encoding, a very simple yet
surprisingly effective compression technique, especially for
images.

Then there is the loss-full encoding used in jpeg files,
because for photos it doesn't matter if you get a few pixels
wrong.

What about hardware possibilities, like tri-state devices,
bits that can hold three pieces of information instead of
just two.

I'm getting so excited.

Briscobar
Wed Mar 29 08:12:06 CST 2006

Bread-teaser <Breadteaser@discussions.microsoft.com> rambled:
>
> Maan.. Who cares anymore about that zip/rarr crap?
> The world of GB and GHz can hold the entire enterprise in a single
> hard drive. And if you not awake yet, checkout the iPods in stores
> near you. It's the size of a credit card. and you can download to it
> up to 60GB of mcngp crap if you wish

If you're not kidding, you're rather dumb. It's very true that the sizes of
hard drives, flash memory, and pretty much any other storage device, has
risen quite dramatically over the last few years. However, if you haven't
noticed, so has the size of many files people use on a regular basis. Gone
are the days when you can store a week's worth of documents on a floppy. In
fact, my company is outgrowing CDs, and we've just purchased 4 DVD writers
so that we can keep up with the exponential increase in not only file size,
but file count. Also, as Neil mentioned, I am also concerned with drive
space due to SQL backups. We backup 5 databases every night to a file
server, plus a tape drive. The tape gets pulled every night, but the backups
on the server stay for a week (I guess this is company policy implemented
years ago by the guy before the guy before me). Lately, we've been crunched
for space. We can do one of three things: 1) Delete backups more frequently.
2) Get a bigger hard drive(s) for the server. 3) Make the backups take up
less room. Due to the nature of the company, plus the owners'
tight-wad-ness, we chose option 3.

Thank you for playing.

--
KB

MCNGP #26
www.mcngp.com iz t3h h0tn3ss

Neil
Wed Mar 29 08:17:19 CST 2006

did you hear kpg <no@way.com> say in
news:Xns97955053643C4ipostthereforeiam@127.0.0.1:

> Programs, Operatiing systems, and the data they generate are like
> goldfish. They grow to the size of their container...or...er..disk
> space.

true dat

--
The InterNeil MCNGP Triple X

- When cows laugh, does milk come out their noses?

Neil
Wed Mar 29 08:19:37 CST 2006

did you hear kpg <no@way.com> say in news:Xns979553256E52ipostthereforeiam@
127.0.0.1:

> I'm getting so excited.

geek

--
The InterNeil MCNGP Triple X

- There's always one more SOB than you counted on.

kpg
Wed Mar 29 08:26:53 CST 2006

As Neil once said in microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse

>> I'm getting so excited.
>
> geek

At last. The recognition I deserve.

kpg
Wed Mar 29 08:36:01 CST 2006

I just now (like 5 min ago) finished setting up our new back-back up
system. We have always done nighly backup on tape of critical files
(about 20GB), using 28 tapes, 14 rotated off site every two weeks..
blah. blah...blah.

What's new is the two 120GB USB drives, copy everything once, the sync
the files that have changed nightly - the whole process takes about 15
min compared to the tapes 3.5 hours, plus we get everything (about 70GB).

As USB flash ram gets bigger (I'm thinking terrabyte in 5 years?) and
cheaper,(I'm thinking free in a box of cereal) we will switch over to
that.

kpg

Neil
Wed Mar 29 08:47:36 CST 2006

did you hear "Briscobar" <youcant@sendmespam.com> say in
news:O3AmKqzUGHA.5004@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl:

> If you're not kidding, you're rather dumb.

I'm goin with dumb

>It's very true that the
> sizes of hard drives, flash memory, and pretty much any other storage
> device, has risen quite dramatically over the last few years. However,
> if you haven't noticed, so has the size of many files people use on a
> regular basis. Gone are the days when you can store a week's worth of
> documents on a floppy. In fact, my company is outgrowing CDs, and
> we've just purchased 4 DVD writers so that we can keep up with the
> exponential increase in not only file size, but file count.

Once when I was young and stupid like the OP, I actually told someone that
"you'd never need more than a 40Mb HD. Anything beyond that is server
class". Well, I'm in good company. Billy G (although the rumour is
appearently false) was rumored to say the big "640k is enough for the
user", while Ken Olsen (DEC) _IS_ on record as having said "There is no
reason for any individual to have a computer in his home." and Thomas
Watson the Chairman of IBM in 1943 indicated the need for "5 computers
worldwide". The only good guesser so far has be Gordon Moore.

> Also, as
> Neil mentioned,

it is all about me after all

> I am also concerned with drive space due to SQL
> backups.

While our tape library encompasses 11 SDLT drives on a robotic arm, with
online backups competing the backups of 50 servers in under 8 hours (though
online is not a problem for us), I do not consider our data center a large
one, only medium sized. We have however reached our capacity and have been
kicking the tires of a LTO library. My concern is with the additional disk
based SQL backups that I must complete for restoring in development
enviornments and allowing the S&P teams to do thier jobs.

> We backup 5 databases every night to a file server, plus a
> tape drive. The tape gets pulled every night, but the backups on the
> server stay for a week (I guess this is company policy implemented
> years ago by the guy before the guy before me). Lately, we've been
> crunched for space. We can do one of three things: 1) Delete backups
> more frequently. 2) Get a bigger hard drive(s) for the server. 3) Make
> the backups take up less room. Due to the nature of the company, plus
> the owners' tight-wad-ness, we chose option 3.

Since the HP EVO 5000 recommends that you add drives in a set number based
on teh number of shelves and a number divisible by 8 (some other redundancy
thing) the actual number of drives added for a SAN can be a LOT more than
one offs. At a couple of grand a piece for the FC drives it's $50k to play.
Even simple RAID arrays will mean multiple drives must be added to an
enclosure simply to get 1 additional physical disk.

Yeah, disk spaces should never be a concern...

ps, I'm looking at these:

http://www.quest.com/imceda/index.asp

and

http://www.red-gate.com/products/sql_backup/index.htm

--
The InterNeil MCNGP Triple X

- There's always one more SOB than you counted on.

Neil
Wed Mar 29 08:53:50 CST 2006

did you hear kpg <no@way.com> say in
news:Xns9795577EBAE8Bipostthereforeiam@127.0.0.1:

> As USB flash ram gets bigger (I'm thinking terrabyte in 5 years?) and
> cheaper,(I'm thinking free in a box of cereal) we will switch over to
> that.

SNERT!

So I have this mini-USB hub and 3 thumb drives. Can I turn that into a
RAID-5 array?

(if so I have a ton of floppies, can we work on a REALLY big floppy
array? THINK OF IT! thousands of spindles all working as one...)

--
The InterNeil MCNGP Triple X

- An electrical engineer deals with current events.

Neil
Wed Mar 29 09:02:59 CST 2006

did you hear "CBIC" <spam.thisbiotch@gmail.com> say in news:eVeCLF0UGHA.328
@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl:

> Show off

So, you've seen me in my trench coat?

um, have you seen LRM? There's something I'd like to show her...

--
The InterNeil MCNGP Triple X

- "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build
bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to build
bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." - Rich Cook

CBIC
Wed Mar 29 08:58:50 CST 2006


> ps, I'm looking at these:
>
> http://www.quest.com/imceda/index.asp
>
> and
>
> http://www.red-gate.com/products/sql_backup/index.htm

Show off
--
aka
Doom MCNGP #38
Is that a burdizzo in your pocket or are you just glad to see me.

kpg
Wed Mar 29 09:03:43 CST 2006

> So I have this mini-USB hub and 3 thumb drives. Can I turn that into a
> RAID-5 array?
>
> (if so I have a ton of floppies, can we work on a REALLY big floppy
> array? THINK OF IT! thousands of spindles all working as one...)


I like it. We have about 20 cases of floppies we don't know what to do
with (i'm talking 5 1/4). Someone suggested wallpaper, which would be cool,
but I like your idea better.

Read an artice the other day from some computer site I can't unsubscribe
from about the security risk introduced my ipods and flash ram. So is
there a group policy that blocks usb ports?

Neil
Wed Mar 29 09:05:02 CST 2006

did you hear "CBIC" <spam.thisbiotch@gmail.com> say in news:eVeCLF0UGHA.328
@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl:

> http://www.quest.com/imceda/index.asp

actually, having re-read that I realized it was the wrong link. DOH!

http://www.quest.com/litespeed_for_sql_server/

--
The InterNeil MCNGP Triple X

- Never let your mind wander, it's too small to be left alone.

kpg
Wed Mar 29 09:08:26 CST 2006

As Neil once said in microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse

> While our tape library encompasses 11 SDLT drives on a robotic arm,


That whole robotic arm thing reminds me of 1950's style thinking.
Sure it's cool and all, but having a robotic arm do it because
at one time a human arm did it is not very progressive thinking.

But if at all possible, I would like to go back to the hugh panels
of flashing lights, I like that.

Frisbee®
Wed Mar 29 09:19:40 CST 2006

"kpg" <no@way.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97955CFD845D4ipostthereforeiam@127.0.0.1...
> As Neil once said in microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse
>
>> While our tape library encompasses 11 SDLT drives on a robotic arm,
>
>
> That whole robotic arm thing reminds me of 1950's style thinking.
> Sure it's cool and all, but having a robotic arm do it because
> at one time a human arm did it is not very progressive thinking.
>
> But if at all possible, I would like to go back to the hugh panels
> of flashing lights, I like that.

When I was in college, I had the coolest part-time job. Every weekday after
school I went to this place that made those saw-horse flashing light things
for road construction. They had a mini-computer that backed up with
cartridges that held multiple 8-inch floppies. It was my job to place the
cartridges in for backup, one after another. Took about two hours to
complete, but I seem to remember the job paying for four hours. And it beat
the hell out of fast-food money.

Later, while still in college, I had another job as a computer salesman,
which was kind of cool, too. Selling Commodores (the old Pet models) and
Atari's (the 400 and 800 models). I had color envy, as my computer at the
time was a TRS-80 Model I.

Neil
Wed Mar 29 09:24:28 CST 2006

did you hear kpg <no@way.com> say in
news:Xns97955C3133AB8ipostthereforeiam@127.0.0.1:

> I like it. We have about 20 cases of floppies we don't know what to
> do with (i'm talking 5 1/4). Someone suggested wallpaper, which would
> be cool, but I like your idea better.

I wish I could lay claim to this thought process, however, it came up in a
SQL 6.5 course back in the late 90's (SQL 6.5 could actaully have a device
on floppy, and since SQL can also have device mirroring, someone asked if
you could have SQL 6.5 devices on floppy that were mirrored. It took a
while to pull my chin back up)

as for the USB array, this is possible
(http://www.wrightthisway.com/Articles/000154.html#more) and I know that
quite a few trainers are using them to demo data continuity features in
Windows and SQL. much easier to yank a USB drive in front of a class to
simulate a drive failure...

>
> Read an artice the other day from some computer site I can't
> unsubscribe from about the security risk introduced my ipods and flash
> ram. So is there a group policy that blocks usb ports?
>

not natively in 200/2003 but it will be there (supposedly) in Longhorn.
Have a look at http://www.mcse.ms/archive47-2004-7-912383.html and build
your own adm template.
--
The InterNeil MCNGP Triple X

- Isn't "half-duplex" just an apartment?

Neil
Wed Mar 29 09:27:17 CST 2006

did you hear "Frisbee®" <billLASTNAME@yahoo.com> say in
news:#Z7J0Q0UGHA.4452@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl:

> When I was in college, I had the coolest part-time job. Every weekday
> after school I went to this place that made those saw-horse flashing
> light things for road construction. They had a mini-computer that
> backed up with cartridges that held multiple 8-inch floppies. It was
> my job to place the cartridges in for backup, one after another. Took
> about two hours to complete, but I seem to remember the job paying for
> four hours. And it beat the hell out of fast-food money.
>
> Later, while still in college, I had another job as a computer
> salesman, which was kind of cool, too. Selling Commodores (the old
> Pet models) and Atari's (the 400 and 800 models). I had color envy,
> as my computer at the time was a TRS-80 Model I.

gawds, yer old...

*runs*

--
The InterNeil MCNGP Triple X

- Abandon the search for truth: settle on a good fantasy.

Neil
Wed Mar 29 09:25:16 CST 2006

did you hear kpg <no@way.com> say in
news:Xns97955CFD845D4ipostthereforeiam@127.0.0.1:

> That whole robotic arm thing reminds me of 1950's style thinking.
> Sure it's cool and all, but having a robotic arm do it because
> at one time a human arm did it is not very progressive thinking.

this human arm doesn't want to do it at 2 am

--
The InterNeil MCNGP Triple X

- Hearing 2 eyewitness accounts of a car accident makes you wonder about
history.

Neil
Wed Mar 29 09:25:41 CST 2006

did you hear kpg <no@way.com> say in
news:Xns97955CFD845D4ipostthereforeiam@127.0.0.1:

> hugh panels
>

who's that?

--
The InterNeil MCNGP Triple X

- A sadist is someone who's kind to a masochist.

MitchS
Wed Mar 29 09:41:14 CST 2006

"Jtyc" <yo@respondtothegroup.com> wrote in message
news:%23lA2w%23rUGHA.224@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Yeah... I don't speak freaky deaky Dutch.

Me needer.

--
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MCNGP XLVIII (Now do the other certs REALLY matter?)
Get yer sorry James over to www.mcngp.com

Jtyc
Wed Mar 29 09:43:45 CST 2006

> This message brought to you by the people that make my dual-core
> pentium 4GHz run like an 8MHz 8088.
>
> kp "It's the Microsoft way" g


You don't talk bad about Wintel. The Wintel is our circle of life. Respect
the circle. RESPECT IT!

Jtyc
Wed Mar 29 09:57:53 CST 2006

> *runs*

Can you run while holding a walker?? Be careful, we don't want any broken
hips now.

kpg
Wed Mar 29 10:03:50 CST 2006

As Neil once said in microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse

> this human arm doesn't want to do it at 2 am

get an illegal to do it.

I hear they do the jobs American's don't want.

Oh wait...you're in Canadia.

kpg
Wed Mar 29 10:04:17 CST 2006

As Neil once said in microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse

> # Name resolution details: file://c:\temp\193855.htm (3/29/2006
> 10:03:55 AM) # did you hear kpg <no@way.com> say in
> news:Xns97955CFD845D4ipostthereforeiam@127.0.0.1:
>
>> hugh panels
>>
>
> who's that?

This from a man that can't spell teh.

MitchS
Wed Mar 29 10:06:29 CST 2006

"Loopback" <loopback@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
news:4CC4CDC5-909E-41DD-A825-75BF2C9B8197@microsoft.com...
> *yawn*

I believe you meant to say ***YAWN***

--
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MCNGP XLVIII (Now do the other certs REALLY matter?)
Get yer sorry James over to www.mcngp.com

MitchS
Wed Mar 29 10:08:29 CST 2006

"Neil" <guess!!!@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns979550915AF06neilmcsegmailcom@207.46.248.16...
> Personally, I worry about storage required for SQL backups

Backups?!?!?! We don need no steenking backups!

--
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MCNGP XLVIII (Now do the other certs REALLY matter?)
Get yer sorry James over to www.mcngp.com

kpg
Wed Mar 29 10:11:52 CST 2006

As MitchS once said in microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse

> Backups?!?!?! We don need no steenking backups!


Then there is this Canadian (go figure) professor that wants
to put all the data on the Internet and it just loops around
all the routers for ever and ever. No need to store it at
all, it just floats around.

Briscobar
Wed Mar 29 10:17:44 CST 2006

kpg <no@way.com> rambled:
>
> As MitchS once said in microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse
>
>> Backups?!?!?! We don need no steenking backups!
>
>
> Then there is this Canadian (go figure) professor that wants
> to put all the data on the Internet and it just loops around
> all the routers for ever and ever. No need to store it at
> all, it just floats around.

Oh that sounds like a great plan. Security? What security? Bandwidth? What
bandwidth?

--
KB

MCNGP #26
Is www.mcngp.com experienced? Well I am...

Briscobar
Wed Mar 29 10:56:56 CST 2006

kpg <no@way.com> rambled:
>
> Pesimists. The idea was that the data needs to be on the wire to use
> it anyway, why not just leave it there. Look, I'm sure this guy has a
> PhD, so lay off. I'll bet he has it all figured out. Besides, he got
> the grant moeny, so it must be a good idea.

Yeah, but from the sounds of his idea, it seems as if he spent most of that
grant money on strippers and cocaine.

--
KB

MCNGP #26
www.mcngp.com is too long to fit into a haiku.

kpg
Wed Mar 29 10:36:19 CST 2006

As Frisbee® once said in microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse

> # Name resolution details: file://c:\temp\193868.htm (3/29/2006
> 10:32:23 AM) # "Briscobar" <youcant@sendmespam.com> wrote in message
> news:OKXKYw0UGHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>> kpg <no@way.com> rambled:
>>>
>>> As MitchS once said in microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse
>>>
>>>> Backups?!?!?! We don need no steenking backups!
>>>
>>>
>>> Then there is this Canadian (go figure) professor that wants
>>> to put all the data on the Internet and it just loops around
>>> all the routers for ever and ever. No need to store it at
>>> all, it just floats around.
>>
>> Oh that sounds like a great plan. Security? What security? Bandwidth?
>> What bandwidth?
>
> And then there's that possibility of the night cleaning woman who
> works at the main backbone of the intarweb, and needs to plug in her
> vacuum cleaner, and unplugs the intarweb to do it. Data gone.

Pesimists. The idea was that the data needs to be on the wire to use
it anyway, why not just leave it there. Look, I'm sure this guy has a
PhD, so lay off. I'll bet he has it all figured out. Besides, he got
the grant moeny, so it must be a good idea.

Neil
Wed Mar 29 10:53:59 CST 2006

did you hear "Jtyc" <yo@respondtothegroup.com> say in
news:eo432l0UGHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl:

>> *runs*
>
> Can you run while holding a walker?? Be careful, we don't want any
> broken hips now.
>
>
>
>

I'm a little rascle on my little rascle

--
The InterNeil MCNGP Triple X

- What am I? Flypaper for freaks?!

Neil
Wed Mar 29 10:54:31 CST 2006

did you hear kpg <no@way.com> say in
news:Xns97956662F6D7Bipostthereforeiam@127.0.0.1:

> get an illegal to do it.
>
> I hear they do the jobs American's don't want.
>
> Oh wait...you're in Canadia.

so I should hire an American?

--
The InterNeil MCNGP Triple X

- What am I? Flypaper for freaks?!

Neil
Wed Mar 29 10:57:08 CST 2006

did you hear "MitchS" <firstinitlastname@nospam.gmail.com> say in news:#
9kGUr0UGHA.5500@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl:

> "Neil" <guess!!!@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns979550915AF06neilmcsegmailcom@207.46.248.16...
>> Personally, I worry about storage required for SQL backups
>
> Backups?!?!?! We don need no steenking backups!
>

while this is fun for a while, it doesn't seem to work out well long term

--
The InterNeil MCNGP Triple X

- When you are in it up to your ears, keep your mouth shut.

Neil
Wed Mar 29 10:54:56 CST 2006

did you hear kpg <no@way.com> say in
news:Xns97956676546BEipostthereforeiam@127.0.0.1:

>
> This from a man that can't spell teh.

I can so spell teh!

--
The InterNeil MCNGP Triple X

- Why are they called apartments, when they're all stuck together?

Neil
Wed Mar 29 10:59:29 CST 2006

did you hear "Frisbee®" <billLASTNAME@yahoo.com> say in
news:uyBlf10UGHA.5660@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl:

> And then there's that possibility of the night cleaning woman who
> works at the main backbone of the intarweb, and needs to plug in her
> vacuum cleaner, and unplugs the intarweb to do it. Data gone.

dinna this happen to the MCNGP onced already?

--
The InterNeil MCNGP Triple X

- A stitch in time would have confused Einstein.

Neil
Wed Mar 29 10:58:45 CST 2006

did you hear "Briscobar" <youcant@sendmespam.com> say in
news:OKXKYw0UGHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl:

> Oh that sounds like a great plan. Security? What security? Bandwidth?
> What bandwidth?

he's prolly an , which sounds surpisingly like comedian

--
The InterNeil MCNGP Triple X

- When you are in it up to your ears, keep your mouth shut.

Neil
Wed Mar 29 11:02:36 CST 2006

did you hear "Briscobar" <youcant@sendmespam.com> say in
news:OzjqRG1UGHA.5248@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl:

> Yeah, but from the sounds of his idea, it seems as if he spent most of
> that grant money on strippers and cocaine.

maybe not cocaine, but alcohol was definitely involved. I think he may have
taunted me to post 1500 in a month too

--
The InterNeil MCNGP Triple X

- I am in total control, but don't tell my wife.

Neil
Wed Mar 29 11:00:08 CST 2006

did you hear kpg <no@way.com> say in news:Xns97956BE40F65ipostthereforeiam@
127.0.0.1:

> Besides, he got
> the grant moeny, so it must be a good idea.
>

are you sure you're not Canadian?

--
The InterNeil MCNGP Triple X

- Unzip, Expand, Explode... Sounds perverted, doesn't it?

Neil
Wed Mar 29 10:56:28 CST 2006

did you hear kpg <no@way.com> say in news:Xns979567BF4FC1ipostthereforeiam@
127.0.0.1:

> Then there is this Canadian (go figure) professor that wants
> to put all the data on the Internet and it just loops around
> all the routers for ever and ever. No need to store it at
> all, it just floats around.

jeez, I thought that was called google...

--
The InterNeil MCNGP Triple X

- Why do people without a watch look at their wrist when you ask them what
time it is?

Neil
Wed Mar 29 11:03:29 CST 2006

did you hear Neil <guess!!!@gmail.com> say in
news:Xns979579DBC5C0Eneilmcsegmailcom@207.46.248.16:

> he's prolly an , which sounds surpisingly like comedian
>

huh? um take 2

*snap*

he's prolly an acedemian, which sounds surpisingly like comedian


--
The InterNeil MCNGP Triple X

- Microsoft's new slogan: "Wait for us! We're the leaders!"

Frisbee®
Wed Mar 29 10:25:20 CST 2006

"Briscobar" <youcant@sendmespam.com> wrote in message
news:OKXKYw0UGHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> kpg <no@way.com> rambled:
>>
>> As MitchS once said in microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse
>>
>>> Backups?!?!?! We don need no steenking backups!
>>
>>
>> Then there is this Canadian (go figure) professor that wants
>> to put all the data on the Internet and it just loops around
>> all the routers for ever and ever. No need to store it at
>> all, it just floats around.
>
> Oh that sounds like a great plan. Security? What security? Bandwidth? What
> bandwidth?

And then there's that possibility of the night cleaning woman who works at
the main backbone of the intarweb, and needs to plug in her vacuum cleaner,
and unplugs the intarweb to do it. Data gone.

Frisbee®
Wed Mar 29 11:09:36 CST 2006

"Neil" <guess!!!@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97957AA934D1Cneilmcsegmailcom@207.46.248.16...
> did you hear Neil <guess!!!@gmail.com> say in
> news:Xns979579DBC5C0Eneilmcsegmailcom@207.46.248.16:
>
>> he's prolly an , which sounds surpisingly like comedian
>>
>
> huh? um take 2
>
> *snap*
>
> he's prolly an acedemian, which sounds surpisingly like comedian

I see... you paused the first time to check the official RSFC spelling of
the word.

MitchS
Wed Mar 29 11:11:22 CST 2006

"kpg" <no@way.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97955C3133AB8ipostthereforeiam@127.0.0.1...
>> So I have this mini-USB hub and 3 thumb drives. Can I turn that into a
>> RAID-5 array?
>>
>> (if so I have a ton of floppies, can we work on a REALLY big floppy
>> array? THINK OF IT! thousands of spindles all working as one...)
>
>
> I like it. We have about 20 cases of floppies we don't know what to do
> with (i'm talking 5 1/4). Someone suggested wallpaper, which would be
> cool,
> but I like your idea better.
>
> Read an artice the other day from some computer site I can't unsubscribe
> from about the security risk introduced my ipods and flash ram. So is
> there a group policy that blocks usb ports?

We have the ports blocked on our thin clients, but I can't remember where
the setting is. I'll poke around and let you know when I find it.

--
Mitch "yer such a Jameshole" S.
MCNGP XLVIII (Now do the other certs REALLY matter?)
Get yer sorry James over to www.mcngp.com

MitchS
Wed Mar 29 11:13:58 CST 2006

"Neil" <guess!!!@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97956A5A4561Eneilmcsegmailcom@207.46.248.16...

> gawds, yer old...

Why Pot, have you met Kettle?


--
Mitch "yer such a Jameshole" S.
MCNGP XLVIII (Now do the other certs REALLY matter?)
Get yer sorry James over to www.mcngp.com

Neil
Wed Mar 29 11:17:08 CST 2006

did you hear "Frisbee®" <billLASTNAME@yahoo.com> say in
news:OcrSPO1UGHA.2444@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl:

> I see... you paused the first time to check the official RSFC spelling
> of the word.
>

true, I had no idea how to spell "prolly"

--
The InterNeil MCNGP Triple X

- Eat right, exercise... and die anyway.

MitchS
Wed Mar 29 11:35:47 CST 2006

"kpg" <no@way.com> wrote in message
news:Xns979567BF4FC1ipostthereforeiam@127.0.0.1...
> As MitchS once said in microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse
>
>> Backups?!?!?! We don need no steenking backups!
>
>
> Then there is this Canadian (go figure) professor that wants
> to put all the data on the Internet and it just loops around
> all the routers for ever and ever. No need to store it at
> all, it just floats around.

If it ever gets to that point, I'm adding my router to the no-hop list.

--
Mitch "yer such a Jameshole" S.
MCNGP XLVIII (Now do the other certs REALLY matter?)
Get yer sorry James over to www.mcngp.com

JaR
Wed Mar 29 11:49:27 CST 2006

Neil <guess!!!@gmail.com> wrote in news:Xns97957A827632Cneilmcsegmailcom@
207.46.248.16:

> I think he may have
> taunted me to post 1500 in a month too

???Doom is a Canuck???

Well, I'll be...

--
JaR
MCNGP #22
Remove hat to reply

JaR
Wed Mar 29 11:52:00 CST 2006

Neil <guess!!!@gmail.com> wrote in news:Xns97957AA934D1Cneilmcsegmailcom@
207.46.248.16:

> he's prolly a Canadian, which sounds surpisingly like comedian

IFFY-You know.

--
JaR
MCNGP #22
Remove hat to reply

JaR
Wed Mar 29 11:53:00 CST 2006

Neil <guess!!!@gmail.com> wrote in news:Xns97957A17696F5neilmcsegmailcom@
207.46.248.16:

> are you sure you're not Canadian?

Kpg too? What's the world coming to?

--
JaR
MCNGP #22
Remove hat to reply

CBIC
Wed Mar 29 11:18:56 CST 2006


> maybe not cocaine, but alcohol was definitely involved. I think he
> may have taunted me to post 1500 in a month too

You bast@rd
--
aka
Doom MCNGP #38
Is that a burdizzo in your pocket or are you just glad to see me.

Jtyc
Wed Mar 29 11:32:21 CST 2006

> so I should hire an American?

Probably. From I hear, Americans don't want and won't do the jobs in the
U.S. I guess we'll have to work in Canada now.

CBIC
Wed Mar 29 11:37:22 CST 2006

In news:eJTSpa1UGHA.4952@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl,
Jtyc <yo@respondtothegroup.com> embarrassed himself by saying:
>> so I should hire an American?
>
> Probably. From I hear, Americans don't want and won't do the jobs in
> the U.S. I guess we'll have to work in Canada now.

I wouldn't worry if I were you. In a few years California will be part of
Mexico.
--
aka
Doom MCNGP #38
Is that a burdizzo in your pocket or are you just glad to see me.

kpg
Wed Mar 29 11:42:37 CST 2006

As MitchS once said in microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse

>> Then there is this Canadian (go figure) professor that wants
>> to put all the data on the Internet and it just loops around
>> all the routers for ever and ever. No need to store it at
>> all, it just floats around.
>
> If it ever gets to that point, I'm adding my router to the no-hop
> list.

lol.

That's when the sekret Candian router police show up.

Briscobar
Wed Mar 29 11:54:22 CST 2006

kpg <no@way.com> rambled:
>
> As MitchS once said in microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse
>
>>> Then there is this Canadian (go figure) professor that wants
>>> to put all the data on the Internet and it just loops around
>>> all the routers for ever and ever. No need to store it at
>>> all, it just floats around.
>>
>> If it ever gets to that point, I'm adding my router to the no-hop
>> list.
>
> lol.
>
> That's when the sekret Candian router police show up.

That's Royal Canadian Router Police. The "Routies".

--
KB

MCNGP #26
www.mcngp.com's milkshake is better than yours.

Neil
Wed Mar 29 11:54:35 CST 2006

did you hear JaR <jrderby@lakabux.com> say in
news:Xns97956447D60A4onlyifabsolutelynece@207.46.248.16:

>
> ???Doom is a Canuck???
>
> Well, I'll be...
>

it was indicated that this person had thier PhD so I think they may be
different people...unless CBIC bought his off the Intarnationweeb

--
The InterNeil MCNGP Triple X

- It's not hard to meet expenses; they're everywhere!

Neil
Wed Mar 29 11:55:03 CST 2006

did you hear kpg <no@way.com> say in
news:Xns979577228EF8Fipostthereforeiam@127.0.0.1:

> That's when the sekret Candian router police show up.

don't worry about it, they wont have guns...

--
The InterNeil MCNGP Triple X

- A fool and his money are soon popular.

Jtyc
Wed Mar 29 11:56:18 CST 2006

> I wouldn't worry if I were you. In a few years California will be part of
> Mexico.

Probably. The people rallying in LA were waving Mexican flags... I guess
I'll be able to flee to the US and become an "undocumented worker".

CBIC
Wed Mar 29 12:05:53 CST 2006

In news:Xns97956447D60A4onlyifabsolutelynece@207.46.248.16,
JaR <jrderby@lakabux.com> embarrassed himself by saying:
> Neil <guess!!!@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:Xns97957A827632Cneilmcsegmailcom@ 207.46.248.16:
>
>> I think he may have
>> taunted me to post 1500 in a month too
>
> ???Doom is a Canuck???
>
> Well, I'll be...

I'm heavily armed therefore I cannot be a Canuck.
--
aka
Doom MCNGP #38
Is that a burdizzo in your pocket or are you just glad to see me.

CBIC
Wed Mar 29 12:08:38 CST 2006

> it was indicated that this person had thier PhD so I think they may be
> different people...unless CBIC bought his off the Intarnationweeb

Hey I could have my PhD if I wanted to. After all I know how to spell
Wedenesday and teh.
--
aka
Doom MCNGP #38
Is that a burdizzo in your pocket or are you just glad to see me.

LRM
Wed Mar 29 12:13:14 CST 2006

All gawked in amazement when: Neil assaulted us with:
> did you hear "LRM" <Fskspam@friedspam.com> say in
> news:eBab75tUGHA.4740 @TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl:
>
>> I wish you'd get a real news reader.
>
> I wish you would too ;)

I have a real news reader, I just don't use the one you prefer. Xnews snob.
I mean that in the nicest possible way.

--
LRM
MCNGP 7^2
www.mcngp.com home of the bogosity singularity.

Frisbee®
Wed Mar 29 12:25:04 CST 2006

"CBIC" <spam.thisbiotch@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e3XEPv1UGHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> it was indicated that this person had thier PhD so I think they may be
>> different people...unless CBIC bought his off the Intarnationweeb
>
> Hey I could have my PhD if I wanted to. After all I know how to spell
> Wedenesday and teh.

"Poor, Hungry, and Driven! PHD! Unnngh!" {$1 to Joakim Noah}

"Thanks for that." {Tight-lipped b!tch interviewing him after Gators
advanced to the final four}

Why is everyone talking about technical stuff in here? Don't you all
realize that the NCAA Bounceyball tourney is going on?

Cinderella turns into a pumpkin Saturday night! Unnnngh!

Briscobar
Wed Mar 29 12:41:05 CST 2006

CBIC <spam.thisbiotch@gmail.com> rambled:
>
> In news:Xns97956447D60A4onlyifabsolutelynece@207.46.248.16,
> JaR <jrderby@lakabux.com> embarrassed himself by saying:
>> Neil <guess!!!@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:Xns97957A827632Cneilmcsegmailcom@ 207.46.248.16:
>>
>>> I think he may have
>>> taunted me to post 1500 in a month too
>>
>> ???Doom is a Canuck???
>>
>> Well, I'll be...
>
> I'm heavily armed therefore I cannot be a Canuck.

I'm sorry to hear that you have fat arms. Perhaps you should look into a
"diet". Or "speed".

--
KB

MCNGP #26
www.mcngp.com's milkshake is better than yours.

kpg
Wed Mar 29 12:40:15 CST 2006

As Neil once said in microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse

> # Name resolution details: file://c:\temp\193901.htm (3/29/2006
> 12:39:20 PM) # did you hear kpg <no@way.com> say in
> news:Xns979577228EF8Fipostthereforeiam@127.0.0.1:
>
>> That's when the sekret Candian router police show up.
>
> don't worry about it, they wont have guns...


No, but they'll have pointy little sticks to depress that reset
button with.

kpg
Wed Mar 29 12:38:27 CST 2006

> Why is everyone talking about technical stuff in here? Don't you all
> realize that the NCAA Bounceyball tourney is going on?


...and 1/4th of the final four is...LSU...LSU!

Frisbee®
Wed Mar 29 12:51:12 CST 2006

"kpg" <no@way.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97958099EC8EFipostthereforeiam@127.0.0.1...
>> Why is everyone talking about technical stuff in here? Don't you all
>> realize that the NCAA Bounceyball tourney is going on?
>
> ...and 1/4th of the final four is...LSU...LSU!

I hope y'all are ready to lose to the Gators for the third time this year on
Monday.

Kline
Wed Mar 29 12:56:00 CST 2006

>Problem was, he really
>wanted the code to be in BASIC, if possible

lol!
new keyboard required please

Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3

CBIC
Wed Mar 29 13:03:51 CST 2006


> I'm sorry to hear that you have fat arms. Perhaps you should look
> into a "diet". Or "speed".

I was on speed for a while but it counteracted the effects of drinking. What
fun is pouring a gallon of whiskey down your throat if you don't get
hammered.
--
aka
Doom MCNGP #38
Is that a burdizzo in your pocket or are you just glad to see me.

Frisbee®
Wed Mar 29 13:07:26 CST 2006

"Kline Sphere" <.@> wrote in message
news:d1ml22htobmh1lhu7dbtbco6ego3m3i49t@4ax.com...
> >Problem was, he really
>>wanted the code to be in BASIC, if possible
>
> lol!
> new keyboard required please

I realize the humor in that statement, but Ethan was like a $deity to BASIC
programmers everywhere. The man completely replaced the link-time libraries
for MS's PDS system with his own, all written in assembler, of course, and
with those libraries, one could shrink an EXE down to often 1/10th its
original size, and it would run faster. Unfortunately, even with his
faster, smaller routines, it still could not begin to out-perform C in DOS.

Neil
Wed Mar 29 13:16:42 CST 2006

did you hear kpg <no@way.com> say in
news:Xns979580E86CEF6ipostthereforeiam@127.0.0.1:

>
> No, but they'll have pointy little sticks to depress that reset
> button with.
>

those are called pencils

--
The InterNeil MCNGP Triple X

- I feel the traces they've left on my soul.

Neil
Wed Mar 29 13:16:58 CST 2006

did you hear "Briscobar" <youcant@sendmespam.com> say in
news:OKe0Xm1UGHA.5592@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl:

>>
>> That's when the sekret Candian router police show up.
>
> That's Royal Canadian Router Police. The "Routies".

PotD!

--
The InterNeil MCNGP Triple X

- If it works; always tear it apart and find out why.

Neil
Wed Mar 29 13:19:17 CST 2006

did you hear JaR <jrderby@lakabux.com> say in
news:Xns979564E19D302onlyifabsolutelynece@207.46.248.16:

>
> Kpg too? What's the world coming to?
>
>

appearently, Canada

--
The InterNeil MCNGP Triple X

- Bureaucracy is the art of making the possible impossible.

Neil
Wed Mar 29 13:20:56 CST 2006

did you hear "LRM" <Fskspam@friedspam.com> say in
news:O14w0x1UGHA.5496@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl:

> I have a real news reader, I just don't use the one you prefer. Xnews
> snob. I mean that in the nicest possible way.

I am not an Xnews snob. I think Microplanet's Gravity was pretty goodererer
too. The only thing OE has going for it is a spoll chocker and lowdes knows
I don't need that.

--
The InterNeil MCNGP Triple X

- If my computer gets a virus, can I take a sick day?