New MS Security patches

FYI, new security patches for Messenger, IE, Word, and Windows.

OK, now for the fun part!

*ring ring*
"Hello?"
"Hi, Ken. My laptop keeps rebooting."
"OK, when did it start doing this?
"Right now! I restarted it when it told me I had to."
"When *what* told you that you had to restart? Did you install something?"
"Yeah, the new updates it said to install."
"Oh, alright then. I'll be in in a minute."
...
turns out, the updates somehow corrupted something or other, and sent his
lapdog into infinite reboot mode. But not the good kind, where it gives you
a chance to enter safe mode or anything like that. The bad kind, where as
soon as Windows starts to start, it shuts down and starts the whole process
over again. In the meantime, while I was working this out, another user
called me in (also with a laptop) with the same issue. Now, I don't know if
this is common behavior, or if it's just these particular laptops, or if
it's some software we're running that doesn't play nice with these updates,
but whatever it is, just letting you know to be on the heads up for it.

--

KB - MCNGP "silent thug" #26

Briscobar AT gmail DOT com

www.mcngp.com is best for all new updates than
www.groups.yahoo.com/group/mcngp.

Neil
Wed Apr 13 15:08:14 CDT 2005

did you hear "Briscobar" <youcant@sendmespam.com> say in
news:OdkRkJGQFHA.508@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl:

> OK, now for the fun part!

and it's not like you can postpone the AU/WU install of XP SP2 now so a
quick show of hands, how many of you are noticing high network activity
(as the lusers pull 250Mb of SP2 installs)

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- In an infinite universe the highly unlikely is inevitable.

LnkWizard
Wed Apr 13 15:48:30 CDT 2005


"Neil" <guess!!!@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9637A4284ED1Fneilmcsegmailcom@207.46.248.16...
> did you hear "Briscobar" <youcant@sendmespam.com> say in
> news:OdkRkJGQFHA.508@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl:
>
> > OK, now for the fun part!
>
> and it's not like you can postpone the AU/WU install of XP SP2 now so a
> quick show of hands, how many of you are noticing high network activity
> (as the lusers pull 250Mb of SP2 installs)
>
> --
> Neil MCNGP#30
>
> - In an infinite universe the highly unlikely is inevitable.

Because of some goofy decisions at higher levels we support
techs get to go out and do hands-on updates on ALL of our
local PCs. Spent the last three days downloading all kinds of
updates. Why is it that the lusers will download just about
anything that pops up when they are surfing but can't follow
simple instructions to install the MS updates when they pop up.

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Grant
Thu Apr 14 09:45:46 CDT 2005

In article <OdkRkJGQFHA.508@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl>, youcant@sendmespam.com
says...
> turns out, the updates somehow corrupted something or other, and sent his
> lapdog into infinite reboot mode. But not the good kind, where it gives you
> a chance to enter safe mode or anything like that. The bad kind, where as
> soon as Windows starts to start, it shuts down and starts the whole process
> over again. In the meantime, while I was working this out, another user
> called me in (also with a laptop) with the same issue. Now, I don't know if
> this is common behavior, or if it's just these particular laptops, or if
> it's some software we're running that doesn't play nice with these updates,
> but whatever it is, just letting you know to be on the heads up for it.

There is a setting {System Properties; Advanced tab; Startup and
Recovery; Settings; System Failure; Automatically Reboot} that causes the
PC to, well, automatically reboot, when there is a severe enough error.
You will probably have to power off the PC (preferably just after it has
shut down and before it starts booting again) and boot directly into safe
mode in order to change this setting. You must log on as a user with
administrator rights.

I always turn off this 'feature' on every PC I set up. It is just a pain
in the rear.

Briscobar
Thu Apr 14 10:42:05 CDT 2005

In news:egfzjCQQFHA.2876@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl,
Grant Robertson <BOGUS@BOGUS.com> rambled:
>
> There is a setting {System Properties; Advanced tab; Startup and
> Recovery; Settings; System Failure; Automatically Reboot} that causes
> the PC to, well, automatically reboot, when there is a severe enough
> error. You will probably have to power off the PC (preferably just
> after it has shut down and before it starts booting again) and boot
> directly into safe mode in order to change this setting. You must log
> on as a user with administrator rights.

Yeah, when it BSODs, it automatically reboots, without giving the user a
chance to see the errors. Not like they know what they mean. Hell, I dont'
know what most of them mean. But having it sit there is better than having
it reboot all day. However, it doesn't appear that there's a BSOD in this
case. AFAIK, it is set to not automatically restart - I disable this on
every machine I set up too. The computer won't even get to the point where
you can F5 or F8 into the menu or safe mode. It's pretty ridiculous. So,
what I've done, is reinstall Windows right on top of the existing one, with
a repair install. Not that silly recovery console nonsense, just a repair
install. Seems to have solved the issue, while keeping his documents and
pr0n.

> I always turn off this 'feature' on every PC I set up. It is just a
> pain in the rear.

IMO, it should default to not rebooting. My best guess is that MS doesn't
actually want you to see how often it BSODs, so it reboots. If you're away
from the computer when it BSODs (which has happened to me more than once),
it reboots, making you think nothing happened. Tricky Microsoft. Tricky
tricky. If it were to stay on the screen, you'd know there was a problem.

--

KB - MCNGP "silent thug" #26

Briscobar AT gmail DOT com

www.mcngp.com spits rhymes like a mofo.

Grant
Sat Apr 16 11:34:48 CDT 2005

In article <#ECqphQQFHA.612@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl>, youcant@sendmespam.com
says...
> Yeah, when it BSODs, it automatically reboots, without giving the user a
> chance to see the errors. Not like they know what they mean. Hell, I dont'
> know what most of them mean.

I think only 5 people at Microsoft actually know what they mean. And 3 of
them don't work there any more. ;^) Seriously though, I'm pretty sure
they have some huge database of what all the codes mean but it's
generally not worth the time or money to figure these kinds of things out
exactly.


> But having it sit there is better than having
> it reboot all day. However, it doesn't appear that there's a BSOD in this
> case. AFAIK, it is set to not automatically restart - I disable this on
> every machine I set up too. The computer won't even get to the point where
> you can F5 or F8 into the menu or safe mode. It's pretty ridiculous.

Wow, what a tough situation. The only time I have had a machine that
wouldn't let me even get to Safe Mode was when they had a physically
corrupted HDD. Then they often say NTLDR is missing or something like
that.

> So,
> what I've done, is reinstall Windows right on top of the existing one, with
> a repair install. Not that silly recovery console nonsense, just a repair
> install. Seems to have solved the issue, while keeping his documents and
> pr0n.

Good call. That is what I would have done too. I'm glad you were able to
save the day.


> > I always turn off this 'feature' on every PC I set up. It is just a
> > pain in the rear.
>
> IMO, it should default to not rebooting. My best guess is that MS doesn't
> actually want you to see how often it BSODs, so it reboots. If you're away
> from the computer when it BSODs (which has happened to me more than once),
> it reboots, making you think nothing happened. Tricky Microsoft. Tricky
> tricky. If it were to stay on the screen, you'd know there was a problem.

Wow, someone who is even more suspicious of Microsoft than me. I just
figured they did it under the guise of maximum uptime.

Nerd32768
Sat Apr 16 13:14:48 CDT 2005

Briscobar wrote:
> FYI, new security patches for Messenger, IE, Word, and Windows.
>
> OK, now for the fun part!
>
> *ring ring*
> "Hello?"
> "Hi, Ken. My laptop keeps rebooting."
> "OK, when did it start doing this?
> "Right now! I restarted it when it told me I had to."
> "When *what* told you that you had to restart? Did you install something?"
> "Yeah, the new updates it said to install."
> "Oh, alright then. I'll be in in a minute."
> ....
> turns out, the updates somehow corrupted something or other, and sent his
> lapdog into infinite reboot mode. But not the good kind, where it gives you
> a chance to enter safe mode or anything like that. The bad kind, where as
> soon as Windows starts to start, it shuts down and starts the whole process
> over again. In the meantime, while I was working this out, another user
> called me in (also with a laptop) with the same issue. Now, I don't know if
> this is common behavior, or if it's just these particular laptops, or if
> it's some software we're running that doesn't play nice with these updates,
> but whatever it is, just letting you know to be on the heads up for it.
>

dont feel lonely... i had 3 xp machines at my house crash today, plus
about 40 or so at my school that needed repaired from the updates.
apparently, if you have internet explorer open when these updates are
downloaded, it wont boot right. just remember that recovery console is
your friend...

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Nerd32768