Security+ and MCSE

Anyone know the details behind getting MCSE credit through Comptia's
Security+? In particular, exactly which exam(s) the Sec+ cert can be
taken in place of?

The
Tue May 31 23:44:59 CDT 2005

CompTIA Security+ certification satisfies both the MCSE elective requirement
and an MCSE: Security specialization requirement. So if you want take it
instead of the ISA exam if you want to. As for getting credit. Once you pass
go here

http://www.comptia.org/certification/related/ms_signup_form.aspx

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"Tim" <tim99@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:oJ7ne.1528093$Xk.402081@pd7tw3no...
> Anyone know the details behind getting MCSE credit through Comptia's
> Security+? In particular, exactly which exam(s) the Sec+ cert can be taken
> in place of?

Joe
Wed Jun 01 13:00:17 CDT 2005

The Rev already filled you in, but I used this in April to satisfy my
remaining elective, Security specialization, and of course got the Security+
itself ... So, I knocked off three "certs" with one test ... The process of
CompTIA notifying Microsoft and Microsoft getting it on my transcript was a
breeze, and it was done within a week or so ...

"Tim" <tim99@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:oJ7ne.1528093$Xk.402081@pd7tw3no...
> Anyone know the details behind getting MCSE credit through Comptia's
> Security+? In particular, exactly which exam(s) the Sec+ cert can be
> taken in place of?

Tim
Wed Jun 01 14:22:50 CDT 2005

I've read a little of the specializations, but I'm pretty fuzzy as to
the details. Does getting the Sec+ cert automatically specialize you in
MCSE Security, or are there other exams to take? And, if there are...are
they alternatives to the big 7- or in addition to?

How did you find the Security+ exam? I've had my voucher for months now,
just haven't gotten comfortable enough to write. The brain dump
questions make it seem easy, but the 80% pass is what has me worried.


Joe Rookie wrote:
> The Rev already filled you in, but I used this in April to satisfy my
> remaining elective, Security specialization, and of course got the Security+
> itself ... So, I knocked off three "certs" with one test ... The process of
> CompTIA notifying Microsoft and Microsoft getting it on my transcript was a
> breeze, and it was done within a week or so ...
>
> "Tim" <tim99@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:oJ7ne.1528093$Xk.402081@pd7tw3no...
>
>>Anyone know the details behind getting MCSE credit through Comptia's
>>Security+? In particular, exactly which exam(s) the Sec+ cert can be
>>taken in place of?
>
>
>

JaR
Wed Jun 01 14:49:14 CDT 2005

In microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse, Tim expostulated for all the world to
hear;

> Does getting the Sec+ cert automatically specialize you in
> MCSE Security,
>

No, being knowledgable and experienced in Microsoft Systems security
specialises you. The exam is intended to reflect that fact. Cart<>Horse

> The brain dump
> questions make it seem easy, but the 80% pass is what has me worried.

Ah, well. That explains a lot.

--
JaR
Thug 10110
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Joe
Wed Jun 01 15:49:15 CDT 2005

I found the Security+ exam passable in one of two ways:

1> You know security issues in the real world, so even if your materials
didn't cover the stuff, you could still know the answer; or
2> You got braindumps

Dude, if you're gonna use brain dumps, forget it, you'll never get anywhere
past first base in the real world ... When a problem crops up, people and
computers don't give you multiple choices ... In the real world, where real
people do amazingly real work with amazing knowledge, you have to provide,
without prompting the RIGHT answers to the RIGHT problems, most of which are
not in any way clearly defined ... Braindumps are for sissies who couldn't
pass without them ... Big deal, cheat on your finals to get your MD, but
your patients will eventually find out you're a quack ...

"Tim" <tim99@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:eWnne.1535709$8l.1209974@pd7tw1no...
> I've read a little of the specializations, but I'm pretty fuzzy as to
> the details. Does getting the Sec+ cert automatically specialize you in
> MCSE Security, or are there other exams to take? And, if there are...are
> they alternatives to the big 7- or in addition to?
>
> How did you find the Security+ exam? I've had my voucher for months now,
> just haven't gotten comfortable enough to write. The brain dump
> questions make it seem easy, but the 80% pass is what has me worried.
>
>
> Joe Rookie wrote:
> > The Rev already filled you in, but I used this in April to satisfy my
> > remaining elective, Security specialization, and of course got the
Security+
> > itself ... So, I knocked off three "certs" with one test ... The process
of
> > CompTIA notifying Microsoft and Microsoft getting it on my transcript
was a
> > breeze, and it was done within a week or so ...
> >
> > "Tim" <tim99@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> > news:oJ7ne.1528093$Xk.402081@pd7tw3no...
> >
> >>Anyone know the details behind getting MCSE credit through Comptia's
> >>Security+? In particular, exactly which exam(s) the Sec+ cert can be
> >>taken in place of?
> >
> >
> >

Tim
Wed Jun 01 15:51:25 CDT 2005

JaR wrote:
> In microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse, Tim expostulated for all the world to
> hear;

Hmmm...expostulated? I don't think that fits, champ. www.dictionary.com.


> No, being knowledgable and experienced in Microsoft Systems security
> specialises you. The exam is intended to reflect that fact. Cart<>Horse

Heh
If certification exams were intended to accurately reflect knowledge and
experience, they'd be practical. The intention is to make them a pain in
the ass to attain.

Tim
Wed Jun 01 16:13:52 CDT 2005

Well, the Sec+ exam was strongly geared at as part of a college course I
took- and I've read the Thompson book cover-to-cover...so I'm very
familiar with the material. Brain dumps are just another factor. If I
can use em to get a better sense of what the questions are going to be
like, I'll take it.


Joe Rookie wrote:
> I found the Security+ exam passable in one of two ways:
>
> 1> You know security issues in the real world, so even if your materials
> didn't cover the stuff, you could still know the answer; or
> 2> You got braindumps
>
> Dude, if you're gonna use brain dumps, forget it, you'll never get anywhere
> past first base in the real world ... When a problem crops up, people and
> computers don't give you multiple choices ... In the real world, where real
> people do amazingly real work with amazing knowledge, you have to provide,
> without prompting the RIGHT answers to the RIGHT problems, most of which are
> not in any way clearly defined ... Braindumps are for sissies who couldn't
> pass without them ... Big deal, cheat on your finals to get your MD, but
> your patients will eventually find out you're a quack ...
>
> "Tim" <tim99@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:eWnne.1535709$8l.1209974@pd7tw1no...
>
>>I've read a little of the specializations, but I'm pretty fuzzy as to
>>the details. Does getting the Sec+ cert automatically specialize you in
>>MCSE Security, or are there other exams to take? And, if there are...are
>>they alternatives to the big 7- or in addition to?
>>
>>How did you find the Security+ exam? I've had my voucher for months now,
>>just haven't gotten comfortable enough to write. The brain dump
>>questions make it seem easy, but the 80% pass is what has me worried.
>>
>>
>>Joe Rookie wrote:
>>
>>>The Rev already filled you in, but I used this in April to satisfy my
>>>remaining elective, Security specialization, and of course got the
>
> Security+
>
>>>itself ... So, I knocked off three "certs" with one test ... The process
>
> of
>
>>>CompTIA notifying Microsoft and Microsoft getting it on my transcript
>
> was a
>
>>>breeze, and it was done within a week or so ...
>>>
>>>"Tim" <tim99@shaw.ca> wrote in message
>>>news:oJ7ne.1528093$Xk.402081@pd7tw3no...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Anyone know the details behind getting MCSE credit through Comptia's
>>>>Security+? In particular, exactly which exam(s) the Sec+ cert can be
>>>>taken in place of?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>

JaR
Wed Jun 01 16:18:38 CDT 2005

In microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse, Tim expostulated for all the world
to hear;

> JaR wrote:
>> In microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse, Tim expostulated for all the
>> world to hear;
>
> Hmmm...expostulated? I don't think that fits, champ.
> www.dictionary.com.
>

Look it up again, "champ".

>
>> No, being knowledgable and experienced in Microsoft Systems security
>> specialises you. The exam is intended to reflect that fact.
>> Cart<>Horse
>
> Heh
> If certification exams were intended to accurately reflect knowledge
> and experience, they'd be practical. The intention is to make them a
> pain in the ass to attain.

I agree. However, you asked if passing the exam automatically specialised
you in security. The answer to that is *fsck no*. You would be no more a
security specialist than Paris Hilton would be a virgin.

--
JaR
Thug 10110
MCNGP.com for whatever it's worth.

Steven
Wed Jun 01 16:26:22 CDT 2005

You need to also take and pass 70-298 and 70-299. I found Security+ very
easy. I studied about a week for it, but that is me. Others claim they find
it difficult. The questions on Security+ are mostly one or two sentences
long. A far cry from the Microsoft questions. I posted book reviews on
Amazon for the books I used - Sybex and Wiley. Fortunately for me the Second
Shot exam promotion motivated me to finish my MCSE:Security for Windows
2003. I passed 70-299,70-298, and Security+ all first try in a three week
period in that order though I had been studying for 70-298 and 70-299 for
quite a while. --- Steve


"Tim" <tim99@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:eWnne.1535709$8l.1209974@pd7tw1no...
> I've read a little of the specializations, but I'm pretty fuzzy as to the
> details. Does getting the Sec+ cert automatically specialize you in MCSE
> Security, or are there other exams to take? And, if there are...are they
> alternatives to the big 7- or in addition to?
>
> How did you find the Security+ exam? I've had my voucher for months now,
> just haven't gotten comfortable enough to write. The brain dump questions
> make it seem easy, but the 80% pass is what has me worried.
>
>
> Joe Rookie wrote:
>> The Rev already filled you in, but I used this in April to satisfy my
>> remaining elective, Security specialization, and of course got the
>> Security+
>> itself ... So, I knocked off three "certs" with one test ... The process
>> of
>> CompTIA notifying Microsoft and Microsoft getting it on my transcript was
>> a
>> breeze, and it was done within a week or so ...
>>
>> "Tim" <tim99@shaw.ca> wrote in message
>> news:oJ7ne.1528093$Xk.402081@pd7tw3no...
>>
>>>Anyone know the details behind getting MCSE credit through Comptia's
>>>Security+? In particular, exactly which exam(s) the Sec+ cert can be
>>>taken in place of?
>>
>>

MarkMS
Wed Jun 01 17:33:05 CDT 2005

The only thing i hate about security+ is those damn questions on these 3
letter acronyms which stand for stupid magerial lingo:

i.e. ALE - Annual Loss of Earnings = Something x Something

Clearly i still need to learn some stuff before i sit the exam next week.
Eeeeeek, Id better pass it first time, as us Irish ppl dont have the same 'US
only discount vouchers' available to half the price of the exam!!! (£160 =
$300) :-0

Ben
Wed Jun 01 21:09:47 CDT 2005

In article <esSDOBvZFHA.3400@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl>, n9rou@nospam-
comcast.net says...
> Subject: Re: Security+ and MCSE
> From: "Steven L Umbach" <n9rou@nospam-comcast.net>
> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse
>
> You need to also take and pass 70-298 and 70-299. I found Security+ very
> easy. I studied about a week for it, but that is me. Others claim they find
> it difficult.
>

This should be right. I led the development of the Security+ exam.

The idea behind the exam (and hence the topics on it) was to identify IT
system administrators who have a statistically verified baseline
knowledge of IT security. The prereq is solid knowledge of networking
and some (1 year) experience working as an IT system administrator.

The
Wed Jun 01 23:27:37 CDT 2005

<snip>
Brain dumps are just another factor.
</snip>

No...no there are not. Brain dumps are for cheating assholes. How would you
like the surgeon about to do that open heart by-pass to have purchased his
answers on ebay? Yeah I mean your right it's only a Brain-Dump.

--
"The Rev" MCT/MCNGP #44
I may sound arrogant at times, but that's only because I'm always right.

Memories fade but a Google search never forgets.
justafreak.com
.
"Tim" <tim99@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:kypne.1537596$6l.110269@pd7tw2no...
> Well, the Sec+ exam was strongly geared at as part of a college course I
> took- and I've read the Thompson book cover-to-cover...so I'm very
> familiar with the material. Brain dumps are just another factor. If I can
> use em to get a better sense of what the questions are going to be like,
> I'll take it.
>
>
> Joe Rookie wrote:
>> I found the Security+ exam passable in one of two ways:
>>
>> 1> You know security issues in the real world, so even if your materials
>> didn't cover the stuff, you could still know the answer; or
>> 2> You got braindumps
>>
>> Dude, if you're gonna use brain dumps, forget it, you'll never get
>> anywhere
>> past first base in the real world ... When a problem crops up, people and
>> computers don't give you multiple choices ... In the real world, where
>> real
>> people do amazingly real work with amazing knowledge, you have to
>> provide,
>> without prompting the RIGHT answers to the RIGHT problems, most of which
>> are
>> not in any way clearly defined ... Braindumps are for sissies who
>> couldn't
>> pass without them ... Big deal, cheat on your finals to get your MD, but
>> your patients will eventually find out you're a quack ...
>>
>> "Tim" <tim99@shaw.ca> wrote in message
>> news:eWnne.1535709$8l.1209974@pd7tw1no...
>>
>>>I've read a little of the specializations, but I'm pretty fuzzy as to
>>>the details. Does getting the Sec+ cert automatically specialize you in
>>>MCSE Security, or are there other exams to take? And, if there are...are
>>>they alternatives to the big 7- or in addition to?
>>>
>>>How did you find the Security+ exam? I've had my voucher for months now,
>>>just haven't gotten comfortable enough to write. The brain dump
>>>questions make it seem easy, but the 80% pass is what has me worried.
>>>
>>>
>>>Joe Rookie wrote:
>>>
>>>>The Rev already filled you in, but I used this in April to satisfy my
>>>>remaining elective, Security specialization, and of course got the
>>
>> Security+
>>
>>>>itself ... So, I knocked off three "certs" with one test ... The process
>>
>> of
>>
>>>>CompTIA notifying Microsoft and Microsoft getting it on my transcript
>>
>> was a
>>
>>>>breeze, and it was done within a week or so ...
>>>>
>>>>"Tim" <tim99@shaw.ca> wrote in message
>>>>news:oJ7ne.1528093$Xk.402081@pd7tw3no...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Anyone know the details behind getting MCSE credit through Comptia's
>>>>>Security+? In particular, exactly which exam(s) the Sec+ cert can be
>>>>>taken in place of?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>

Tim
Wed Jun 01 23:49:04 CDT 2005

Well, for several reasons that analogy seems a bit of a stretch.

Say this doctor goes through a respectable med school with a 4.0 GPA-
reads all the books, goes to all the classes, and knows his stuff very
well overall. A week before his final exam he goes online and studies a
"brain dump" of what his final might be like. Do I give a shit?
Absolutely not.



The Rev [MCT] wrote:
> <snip>
> Brain dumps are just another factor.
> </snip>
>
> No...no there are not. Brain dumps are for cheating assholes. How would you
> like the surgeon about to do that open heart by-pass to have purchased his
> answers on ebay? Yeah I mean your right it's only a Brain-Dump.
>

JaR
Thu Jun 02 10:07:57 CDT 2005

In microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse, Tim expostulated for all the world
to hear;

>> In microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse, Tim expostulated for all the
>> world to hear;
>
> Hmmm...expostulated? I don't think that fits, champ.
> www.dictionary.com.

Look it up yourself, "champ".

>
>
>> No, being knowledgable and experienced in Microsoft Systems security
>> specialises you. The exam is intended to reflect that fact.
>> Cart<>Horse
>
> Heh
> If certification exams were intended to accurately reflect knowledge
> and experience, they'd be practical. The intention is to make them a
> pain in the ass to attain.
>

You must make a habit of acting like you know more than you do. See Ben's
post in this thread.

And thanks for trying to play, "champ".

--
JaR
Thug 10110
MCNGP.com dept of superiority.

Tim
Thu Jun 02 13:36:58 CDT 2005

JaR wrote:
> Look it up yourself, "champ".

I did- did you?

ex·pos·tu·late: To reason earnestly with someone in an effort to
dissuade or correct; remonstrate.

Exactly what part of my message did you think fit this definition?

>>Heh
>>If certification exams were intended to accurately reflect knowledge
>>and experience, they'd be practical. The intention is to make them a
>>pain in the ass to attain.
>>
>
> You must make a habit of acting like you know more than you do. See
Ben's
> post in this thread.
> And thanks for trying to play, "champ".
>

**> I agree. However, you asked if passing the exam automatically
specialised
**> you in security. The answer to that is *fsck no*. You would be no
more a
**> security specialist than Paris Hilton would be a virgin.


Your previous post, in which you agreed with my statement, completely
contradicts what you just said here. Keep up the good work, "Thug".

Did I sleep with your sister, or do you just make a habit of being a
prick in order to gain the attention online you fail to get in real
life? Go outside and do your best to find a life, ace.

Steven
Thu Jun 02 13:37:28 CDT 2005

I guess that explains it then. I remember one of the questions went some
thing like this. ---


Ben is building his new house and needs to protect his collection of fine
exotic cars in his ten car garage. What would provide the best security?

A. A fenced in yard with junkyard dogs patrolling his estate.

B. An electric fence surrounding the estate with motion detectors, video
cameras, and alarms installed all around the garage.

C. Ten inch thick concrete walls protecting the garage with a solid metal
door that requires a smart card with a pin number and retina scan for
access.

D. Hire some Hell's Angels to watch over things and pay them with beer and
drugs.

E. All of the above.

F. A and D.

G. B and C.

--- Steve


"Ben Smith" <benjaminwsmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d080a46c14035de989786@msnews.microsoft.com...
> In article <esSDOBvZFHA.3400@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl>, n9rou@nospam-
> comcast.net says...
>> Subject: Re: Security+ and MCSE
>> From: "Steven L Umbach" <n9rou@nospam-comcast.net>
>> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse
>>
>> You need to also take and pass 70-298 and 70-299. I found Security+ very
>> easy. I studied about a week for it, but that is me. Others claim they
>> find
>> it difficult.
>>
>
> This should be right. I led the development of the Security+ exam.
>
> The idea behind the exam (and hence the topics on it) was to identify IT
> system administrators who have a statistically verified baseline
> knowledge of IT security. The prereq is solid knowledge of networking
> and some (1 year) experience working as an IT system administrator.
>