Putting a SBS server into a Windows 2003 environment

Hello,

Yes, you read the subject correctly. I am planning to put a SBS server
into an already existing environment that is ALL windows 2003 servers
into a 2003 domain.


I have been asked to look at the possibility of re-architecture a system
where we would downsize the number of servers and put a SBS box instead.
Needless to say that I am a little skeptic about the idea, but I am not
the one making decisions.


Based on the little research I made it seems that an SBS box needs to be
the root of its forest.
And it cannot trust another forest either.
Is this correct ?

HOW CAN I PUT this new SBS box into my existing domain then ???



Are there any other "cons" that you guys might see into doing this ?
The only "pros" my manager is seeing is that the cost of Exchange 2007 +
Windows 2003 is much more expensive than SBS. AND licensing for Backup
Exec is much much more expensive when going full versions of Windows
than SBS.

Thanks

kpg
Mon May 07 16:28:35 CDT 2007

Pascal Duchemin <pascal@dorseyinc.com> wrote in news:463F91DB.1040607
@dorseyinc.com:

> Hello,
>
> Yes, you read the subject correctly. I am planning to put a SBS server
> into an already existing environment that is ALL windows 2003 servers
> into a 2003 domain.
>
>
> I have been asked to look at the possibility of re-architecture a system
> where we would downsize the number of servers and put a SBS box instead.
> Needless to say that I am a little skeptic about the idea, but I am not
> the one making decisions.
>
>
> Based on the little research I made it seems that an SBS box needs to be
> the root of its forest.
> And it cannot trust another forest either.
> Is this correct ?
>
> HOW CAN I PUT this new SBS box into my existing domain then ???
>
>
>
> Are there any other "cons" that you guys might see into doing this ?
> The only "pros" my manager is seeing is that the cost of Exchange 2007 +
> Windows 2003 is much more expensive than SBS. AND licensing for Backup
> Exec is much much more expensive when going full versions of Windows
> than SBS.
>
> Thanks
>

did you see this:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/884453

or this:

http://msmvps.com/blogs/bradley/archive/2005/10/05/69035.aspx

Consultant
Mon May 07 16:44:20 CDT 2007

Build it as its own forest, create a trust, migrate accounts, decommission
the old forest

"Pascal Duchemin" <pascal@dorseyinc.com> wrote in message
news:463F91DB.1040607@dorseyinc.com...
> Hello,
>
> Yes, you read the subject correctly. I am planning to put a SBS server
> into an already existing environment that is ALL windows 2003 servers into
> a 2003 domain.
>
>
> I have been asked to look at the possibility of re-architecture a system
> where we would downsize the number of servers and put a SBS box instead.
> Needless to say that I am a little skeptic about the idea, but I am not
> the one making decisions.
>
>
> Based on the little research I made it seems that an SBS box needs to be
> the root of its forest.
> And it cannot trust another forest either.
> Is this correct ?
>
> HOW CAN I PUT this new SBS box into my existing domain then ???
>
>
>
> Are there any other "cons" that you guys might see into doing this ?
> The only "pros" my manager is seeing is that the cost of Exchange 2007 +
> Windows 2003 is much more expensive than SBS. AND licensing for Backup
> Exec is much much more expensive when going full versions of Windows than
> SBS.
>
> Thanks

Kurt
Tue May 08 00:08:22 CDT 2007

Consultant wrote:
> Build it as its own forest, create a trust, migrate accounts, decommission
> the old forest
>
> "Pascal Duchemin" <pascal@dorseyinc.com> wrote in message
> news:463F91DB.1040607@dorseyinc.com...
>> Hello,
>>
>> Yes, you read the subject correctly. I am planning to put a SBS server
>> into an already existing environment that is ALL windows 2003 servers into
>> a 2003 domain.
>>
>>
>> I have been asked to look at the possibility of re-architecture a system
>> where we would downsize the number of servers and put a SBS box instead.
>> Needless to say that I am a little skeptic about the idea, but I am not
>> the one making decisions.
>>
>>
>> Based on the little research I made it seems that an SBS box needs to be
>> the root of its forest.
>> And it cannot trust another forest either.
>> Is this correct ?
>>
>> HOW CAN I PUT this new SBS box into my existing domain then ???
>>
>>
>>
>> Are there any other "cons" that you guys might see into doing this ?
>> The only "pros" my manager is seeing is that the cost of Exchange 2007 +
>> Windows 2003 is much more expensive than SBS. AND licensing for Backup
>> Exec is much much more expensive when going full versions of Windows than
>> SBS.
>>
>> Thanks
>
>

I thought you couldn't create trusts on SBS.

Pascal
Tue May 08 10:18:44 CDT 2007

Thanks a lot for the links!

I really didn't think it was somewhat "easily" doable.

kpg wrote:
> Pascal Duchemin <pascal@dorseyinc.com> wrote in news:463F91DB.1040607
> @dorseyinc.com:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Yes, you read the subject correctly. I am planning to put a SBS server
>> into an already existing environment that is ALL windows 2003 servers
>> into a 2003 domain.
>>
>>
>> I have been asked to look at the possibility of re-architecture a system
>> where we would downsize the number of servers and put a SBS box instead.
>> Needless to say that I am a little skeptic about the idea, but I am not
>> the one making decisions.
>>
>>
>> Based on the little research I made it seems that an SBS box needs to be
>> the root of its forest.
>> And it cannot trust another forest either.
>> Is this correct ?
>>
>> HOW CAN I PUT this new SBS box into my existing domain then ???
>>
>>
>>
>> Are there any other "cons" that you guys might see into doing this ?
>> The only "pros" my manager is seeing is that the cost of Exchange 2007 +
>> Windows 2003 is much more expensive than SBS. AND licensing for Backup
>> Exec is much much more expensive when going full versions of Windows
>> than SBS.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>
> did you see this:
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/884453
>
> or this:
>
> http://msmvps.com/blogs/bradley/archive/2005/10/05/69035.aspx
>
>

kpg
Tue May 08 10:34:17 CDT 2007

Pascal Duchemin <pascal@dorseyinc.com> wrote in
news:464094D4.8070003@dorseyinc.com:

> Thanks a lot for the links!
>
> I really didn't think it was somewhat "easily" doable.


It's not easy - it's Microsoft!


kp "I should work in marketing" g

Consultant
Tue May 08 14:57:51 CDT 2007

havent tried

"Kurt" <kurtl@nospam.olypen.com> wrote in message
news:13401e6gornice8@corp.supernews.com...
> Consultant wrote:
>> Build it as its own forest, create a trust, migrate accounts,
>> decommission the old forest
>>
>> "Pascal Duchemin" <pascal@dorseyinc.com> wrote in message
>> news:463F91DB.1040607@dorseyinc.com...
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Yes, you read the subject correctly. I am planning to put a SBS server
>>> into an already existing environment that is ALL windows 2003 servers
>>> into a 2003 domain.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have been asked to look at the possibility of re-architecture a system
>>> where we would downsize the number of servers and put a SBS box instead.
>>> Needless to say that I am a little skeptic about the idea, but I am not
>>> the one making decisions.
>>>
>>>
>>> Based on the little research I made it seems that an SBS box needs to be
>>> the root of its forest.
>>> And it cannot trust another forest either.
>>> Is this correct ?
>>>
>>> HOW CAN I PUT this new SBS box into my existing domain then ???
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Are there any other "cons" that you guys might see into doing this ?
>>> The only "pros" my manager is seeing is that the cost of Exchange 2007 +
>>> Windows 2003 is much more expensive than SBS. AND licensing for Backup
>>> Exec is much much more expensive when going full versions of Windows
>>> than SBS.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>
>>
>
> I thought you couldn't create trusts on SBS.

MichaelGossett
Tue May 15 17:29:00 CDT 2007

I'm not an MCSE but I know for a fact you can not create trusts on SBS.

"Consultant" wrote:

> havent tried
>
> "Kurt" <kurtl@nospam.olypen.com> wrote in message
> news:13401e6gornice8@corp.supernews.com...
> > Consultant wrote:
> >> Build it as its own forest, create a trust, migrate accounts,
> >> decommission the old forest
> >>
> >> "Pascal Duchemin" <pascal@dorseyinc.com> wrote in message
> >> news:463F91DB.1040607@dorseyinc.com...
> >>> Hello,
> >>>
> >>> Yes, you read the subject correctly. I am planning to put a SBS server
> >>> into an already existing environment that is ALL windows 2003 servers
> >>> into a 2003 domain.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I have been asked to look at the possibility of re-architecture a system
> >>> where we would downsize the number of servers and put a SBS box instead.
> >>> Needless to say that I am a little skeptic about the idea, but I am not
> >>> the one making decisions.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Based on the little research I made it seems that an SBS box needs to be
> >>> the root of its forest.
> >>> And it cannot trust another forest either.
> >>> Is this correct ?
> >>>
> >>> HOW CAN I PUT this new SBS box into my existing domain then ???
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Are there any other "cons" that you guys might see into doing this ?
> >>> The only "pros" my manager is seeing is that the cost of Exchange 2007 +
> >>> Windows 2003 is much more expensive than SBS. AND licensing for Backup
> >>> Exec is much much more expensive when going full versions of Windows
> >>> than SBS.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>
> >>
> >
> > I thought you couldn't create trusts on SBS.
>
>
>

catwalker63
Tue May 15 18:45:28 CDT 2007

Michael Gossett piffled away vaguely:

> I'm not an MCSE but I know for a fact you can not create trusts on SBS.
>
Actually you can but it breaks the EULA.

--

Catwalker
MCNGP #43
www.mcngp.com
"I have a gun. It's loaded. Shut up."

Consultant
Wed May 16 11:02:14 CDT 2007

ha ha, so much for knowing for a fact

"catwalker63" <_catwalker63_@hotmamamail.com> wrote in message
news:0pSdnfvPc-6F29fbnZ2dnUVZ_veinZ2d@comcast.com...
> Michael Gossett piffled away vaguely:
>
>> I'm not an MCSE but I know for a fact you can not create trusts on SBS.
>>
> Actually you can but it breaks the EULA.
>
> --
>
> Catwalker
> MCNGP #43
> www.mcngp.com
> "I have a gun. It's loaded. Shut up."
>

kpg
Wed May 16 11:13:13 CDT 2007

catwalker63 <_catwalker63_@hotmamamail.com> wrote in news:0pSdnfvPc-
6F29fbnZ2dnUVZ_veinZ2d@comcast.com:

> Michael Gossett piffled away vaguely:
>
>> I'm not an MCSE but I know for a fact you can not create trusts on SBS.
>>
> Actually you can but it breaks the EULA.

I have so many broken EULAs, I just keep 'em in a big box out
in the garage. I always tell myself that one day I'm gonna
clean 'em up and build something out of 'em, maybe decoupage
a table or something. It's such a waste, though, they really
shouldn't make those things so dang flimsy.

Consultant
Wed May 16 11:41:19 CDT 2007

Enough Using Lame Agreements

"kpg" <no@spam.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9932722D4B3F9ipostthereforeiam@207.46.248.16...
> catwalker63 <_catwalker63_@hotmamamail.com> wrote in news:0pSdnfvPc-
> 6F29fbnZ2dnUVZ_veinZ2d@comcast.com:
>
>> Michael Gossett piffled away vaguely:
>>
>>> I'm not an MCSE but I know for a fact you can not create trusts on SBS.
>>>
>> Actually you can but it breaks the EULA.
>
> I have so many broken EULAs, I just keep 'em in a big box out
> in the garage. I always tell myself that one day I'm gonna
> clean 'em up and build something out of 'em, maybe decoupage
> a table or something. It's such a waste, though, they really
> shouldn't make those things so dang flimsy.