I know this is not good netiquette bringing this from another forum, but as
much as was said in the last post, it would be un-American to not respond to
this.
Originally posted by paisleyskye on:
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"This thread seems to have turned into a boiling pot of lengthy posts made
by the MCNGP that have very little bearing on the topic at hand,"
The topic is "The MCNGP Mafia - It's Time Microsoft Took Them Down." What
kind of view do you have to have to think posts from the MCNGP are off topic
to the thread?
Originally posted by paisleyskye on:
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"do not contribute to learning, and are not productive. These posts appear
to be boiling over, and therefore I am going to pour out my final thoughts
and turn off the stove. I have been watching the
microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse newsgroup for a couple of years, and I have
constantly witnessed the abuse that the MCNGP bestows upon innocent people.
One night I had enough of their inappropriate behavior and wrote the article
in question. What I was not prepared for was the overwhelming response I
received from it. Thank you to everyone for your support."
As a part of "everyone", you're welcome, but I still disagree with you.
Originally posted by paisleyskye on:
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"Since that time, this thread came into existence, several members of the
MCNGP have chosen to come onto my site and post in the thread. While I
respect their right to try to defend themselves,"
No you don't. You posted a book of a response flaming us and then closed the
thread. Do you really think you respect our right to defend ourselves?
Originally posted by paisleyskye on:
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"they haven't been doing that."
I was. So were others. Does it require 100% compliance to be considered a
defense?
Originally posted by paisleyskye on:
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"Instead they have been questioning the knowledge of my moderators (my
moderators are top-notch and I will always stand behind them 100%), and our
members (our members are people of caliber who don't deserve to be bashed by
the likes of the MCNGP)."
God forbid someone be questioned for their knowledge. Don't we have a
president that has been questioned on his intelligence for the past three
years?
Originally posted by paisleyskye on:
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"While they chose to come here to try to defend themselves, their defense
has been weak at best,"
Arguable.
Originally posted by paisleyskye on:
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"and they have not been playing by the rules. While the newsgroup has no
rules (at least not enforceable ones), this site does. By coming on this
site and spouting viscous personal attacks in regards to personal appearance
and gender preference the MCNGP has proven they have no respect for anyone
or anything."
I must have missed those posts. Maybe they were there. I don't know. But
they didn't come from me.
Originally posted by paisleyskye on:
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"One of their signatures even posts that they are proud to be mean."
*GASP*
Originally posted by paisleyskye on:
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"Being mean is not something I would brag about nor be proud of - making fun
of people is not productive and in fact is an enormous waste of time."
There goes Prime Time television.
Originally posted by paisleyskye on:
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"While I work hard to maintain the integrity of our site, the MCNGP proves
over and over again that they don't even know what the word means."
It means you don't sell out your principles to sell a few books on your
website. There are far more principles on a public newsgroup where no one
has any financial interests than there are on your commercial website. Kudos
on your choice of a .net address to mask your profit intentions.
Originally posted by paisleyskye on:
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"Consultant proved over and over again that he was not a man of his word
when he made his final post on the subject several different times on
several different occasions."
The subject was not always consistent. You even stated that at the beginning
of this post.
Originally posted by paisleyskye on:
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"Even Larry Samuels who started off appearing to be the most respectable of
the MCNGP group has taken to slamming moderators on this site, thus
destroying his credibility in my eyes."
Larry never slammed anyone. Your moderators slammed me for a spelling
mistake just like the MCNGP has done to me and he pointed out that your
moderators resort to the same tactics as the MCNGP. If you didn't see that,
I really don't know what to say to you. It was obvious.
Originally posted by paisleyskye on:
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"Over the past day or two, I have purposely not posted in the newsgroup to
see what would happen. Since that time, they have started two new threads -
"OT Paisleskye" and "Paisleyskye Help Or Hinderance". With tons of posts in
each, and still more being added to the original thread, I'm getting the
impression that members of the MCNGP don't have real jobs."
Or just have jobs with a lot of vacation time. We're not all in the US you
know, and as educated as you claim, you should know other countries give a
ton more time off work than US employers do.
Originally posted by paisleyskye on:
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"Instead they post in the newsgroup making fun of people all day long. It
would appear that they are spending way too much energy on something they
deplore so much - my desire to help people and answer questions."
That's not what we made fun of. I'd repeat it all again, but you know where
it is.
Originally posted by paisleyskye on:
http://www.icertify.net/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=955&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=165
"I'm glad they have time to waste making fun of me, the country I'm from,
and what not, but as for me - I have a site to run and people to help. I'm
saddened to see that the MCNGP has nothing better to do at this point in
time than slam me - but at least while they are beating me down they are
leaving people with legitimate questions alone."
Wait just a minute. We've been trying to get across the point for days that
there are legitimate questions and bogus questions. Are you now agreeing
with us, and still continuing to slam us? Unbelievable!
Originally posted by paisleyskye on:
http://www.icertify.net/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=955&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=165
"While I'm not going to waste another 20 minutes of my time blasting the
ignorant,"
IGNORANT?!?! You might want to read what you were saying earlier about being
mean. It's good reading.
Originally posted by paisleyskye on:
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"I do have some things I want to say regarding this issue.
1. Regardless of what the MCNGP chooses to believe the MCSE is an
entry-level cert."
Thanks to commercial sites like yours, thank you very much!
Originally posted by paisleyskye on:
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"While the term engineer would indicate otherwise, as Psuedocyber has
pointed out, experience is only a recommendation and not a pre-requisite.
These days, most newly certified MCSE's start off with entry-level positions
and gain their experience on the job. In my way of thinking, there is
nothing better than hands-on on-the-job training to get some experience
under your belt."
There is to the employer: a qualified an employee.
Originally posted by paisleyskye on:
http://www.icertify.net/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=955&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=165
"There is absolutely nothing wrong with that"
Ask the employer if that's true.
Originally posted by paisleyskye on:
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"- if there were, then entry-level positions would not exist for MCSE's and
every certified individual would immediately gain employment as a network
administrator. "
That is faulty logic. Entry level positions can demand an MCSE because there
are so many MCSE's. That doesn't make the job an entry level position FOR
the MCSEs. It means the market is saturated, which is also why not all MCSEs
are employed.
Originally posted by paisleyskye on:
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"2. Serious discussion does die fast once a member of the MCNGP enters the
conversation. While they have tried to deny this fact, I have seen to many
threads in the newsgroup where serious discussion went out the window o
ce
one of these guys made the first sarcastic remark."
Did you miss the one today about the Patriot Act. That was pretty serious.
Originally posted by paisleyskye on:
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"The MCNGP continues to be petty about questions people ask"
Completely depends on the question asked. Don't deny the fact that there is
a ton of troll bait posted on USENET.
Originally posted by paisleyskye on:
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"- but then they cannot even begin to keep a serious conversation going
without resorting to attacks and inappropriate behavior. They have proven it
in the newsgroup, and they've proven it in this thread on this site."
Keep the conversation going?!?!? You are the one that locked the thread?!?!?
Unbelieveable!
Originally posted by paisleyskye on:
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"I'm still from the old school, where people matter and their questions are
important. I believe that every question, no matter how trivial, deserves an
answer. "
Naive of troll bait are we?
Originally posted by paisleyskye on:
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"We were all new at some point, and we all had mentors to take us under
their wing."
We don't discourage that.
Originally posted by paisleyskye on:
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"Now the time is ours to take people under our wings, and to help them to
fly."
Everyone? Anyone? Remember, we are dealing with people on the Internet.
Originally posted by paisleyskye on:
http://www.icertify.net/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=955&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=165
"Even if the answer is as simple as a link to appropriate material on
Microsoft's site, that's the answer I give. Never, ever does anybody deserve
to be put down for asking a question."
Again, remember, we are dealing with people on the Internet.
Originally posted by paisleyskye on:
http://www.icertify.net/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=955&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=165
"Contrary to the beliefs of the MCNGP - there is no such thing as a stupid
question, "
Even if the question is troll bait?
Originally posted by paisleyskye on:
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"only stupid answers - and the MCNGP appears to be quite eloquent at the
latter."
Eloquent?!?!? See you CAN you nice words. I knew you could.
Originally posted by paisleyskye on:
http://www.icertify.net/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=955&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=165
"The MCNGP could learn from something that I am constantly teaching my
children: "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all""
What will you tell them after they learn to type?
Originally posted by paisleyskye on:
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" - perhaps if you can't answer posters questions nicely, you should refrain
from replying in the thread at all. "
Perhaps if trolls, braindumpers and bootcampers never existed, neither would
the MCNGP.
Originally posted by paisleyskye on:
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"Another one that I constantly try to drive home for my children is: "Do
unto others as you'd like them to do unto you." I strongly believe in
helping people, because someday I'm going to be in a position where I need
help. "
Congratulations. You arrived.
Originally posted by paisleyskye on:
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"As per the comment that insinuated my being a trainer was a bad thing - you
guys don't even know what your argument is. "
It's pretty simple. You are here to earn a profit. We aren't.
Originally posted by paisleyskye on:
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"You sit there and complain about people entering the industry, and then you
make blast me for being a trainer. This would imply that you feel that it is
impossible to learn to become an MCSE "
I didn't need a trainer to get certified. Did you Consultant? Frisbee? Ken?
Seems to me we know it is possible.
Originally posted by paisleyskye on:
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"- and that you have to be naturally born with that talent."
Talent IS something you are naturally born with. SKILL is something you
learn.
Originally posted by paisleyskye on:
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"Consultant, Kline, Frisbee - I hate to tell you this but you weren't born
with a CAT5 cable in your mouth."
But there was probably something there.
Originally posted by paisleyskye on:
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"Somewhere along the line you were taught something (definitely not
manners)."
And the teacher was paid. Don't forget that important part.
Originally posted by paisleyskye on:
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" To truly be successful in the IT industry, you have to be in a state of
constant learning. If you aren't in a state of constant learning, then you
are falling behind and quickly becoming obsolete. "
We all know that. And it is exactly why the market you work in is
profitable.
Originally posted by paisleyskye on:
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"If feel sorry for anybody who thinks he knows it all, as this is the person
who has the most to learn."
So do I..... who are we talking about?
Originally posted by paisleyskye on:
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"Over the years I have worked hard to discourage braindump use. I believe
that discouraging people from using braindumps and educating them about the
evils of braindumps is far more efficient than making off color remarks in a
newsgroup. "
Fantastic! What's your motivation. We do it because it is wrong. Do you do
it to make a bigger market for books and training?
Originally posted by paisleyskye on:
http://www.icertify.net/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=955&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=165
"I do my best to reach people, and to help them learn and develop knowledge
regardless of their skill levels. My motto has always been "educate,
educate, educate. "
We know that. It's your bread and butter living.
Originally posted by paisleyskye on:
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"The motto of this site is "Because IntegrITy matters, and I strongly
believe in that. A certification is only as valuable as the hard work you
put into it. "
And the market's perception of it.
Originally posted by paisleyskye on:
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"However, Integrity goes farther than just preaching about the evils of
braindumps. Integrity is a part of who you are, and what you stand for. The
MCNGP has already proven their lack thereof. "
We stand up for what we believe in everyday. You stand up for your
commercial site. I wouldn't continue pursuing this integrity argument.
Originally posted by paisleyskye on:
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"I refuse to put my integrity, or the integrity of this site on the line by
letting this thread, which has gotten twisted and turned upside down, to
continue. "
If I were you, I wouldn't either. Gotta watch that paycheck.
Originally posted by paisleyskye on:
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"I will continue to fight my battles strongly, "
Right after you close this thread, right?
Originally posted by paisleyskye on:
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"and to stand up for what I believe in."
PROFITS!
Originally posted by paisleyskye on:
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" I believe that everybody deserves a chance, and that everybody is entitled
to ask questions, and to receive answers."
We love to answer questions as well.
Originally posted by paisleyskye on:
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" I feel sorry for the technician that doesn't ask questions, because he
will never fully understand - and I feel sorry for the bully that refuses to
answer questions, as he will never escape his ignorance. "
Didn't you call us ignorant earlier? Didn't you close this thread so we
couldn't ask questions regarding this post? Do you feel sorry for yourself?
Originally posted by paisleyskye on:
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"With that being said, its time to turn off the stove, so if you can't stand
the heat get out of the kitchen!"
With the stove off, why do I have to get out of the kitchen....
... oh that's right. It was getting too hot for YOU!