[Media] Quebec Engineer Win Court Battle Against Microsoft

The software giant is penalized for the first time over its use of the word
"engineer" in its professional certification program. Just when you thought
it was over, an old debate is reignited.

http://www.itbusiness.ca/index.asp?theaction=61&sid=55274

Okay, instead how's about "Microsoft Certified Systems
Engineer-except-in-Quebec?"

Rowdy
Thu Apr 08 09:53:47 CDT 2004

"Brian" <reply2me@thenewsgroup> wrote in news:u9HVsdXHEHA.700
@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl:

> http://www.itbusiness.ca/index.asp?theaction=61&sid=55274

i do agree with the ruling. but what's the point? why target microsoft?

below a brief listing of certs with the word engineer in them. what are
they going to do? sue all the vendors one by one?

man, i hope my tax payer dollars didn't go towards paying for this bull
$hit? i would much rather the money go to unemployed east coast fishermen's
families or the aboriginals. :-(

--

Matching Certifications:
1. Accredited Systems Engineer (ASE)

2. Aprisma Certified Engineer (ACE)

3. Authorized Crystal Engineer (ACE)

4. Business Analysis for Software Engineering Certified Professional

5. Caldera Advanced Certified Engineer (ACE)

6. Caldera Master Advanced Certified Engineer (Master ACE)

7. Certified Linux Engineer (CLE)

8. Certified Novell Engineer (CNE)

9. Certified Software Quality Engineer (CSQE)

10. Certified Software Test Engineer (CSTE)

11. Certified Systems Engineer

12. Certified Unicenter Specialist/Engineer (CA-CUSE)

13. Enterasys Security Systems Engineer (ESSE)

14. Enterasys Systems Engineer (ESE)

15. Extreme Networks Expert Engineer

16. Field Certified Hardware Engineer (FCHE)

17. Field Certified Systems Engineer (FCSE)

18. Foundry Networks Certified Network Engineer

19. Global Knowledge ATM Engineer

20. Global Knowledge Broadband Engineer

21. Global Knowledge Data Communications Engineer

22. Global Knowledge VoIP Engineer

23. Marimba Certified Engineer (MCE)

24. Master Accredited Systems Engineer (Master ASE)

25. Master Certified Novell Engineer (MCNE)

26. Master Sair Linux/GNU Certified Engineer (MLCE)

27. NACSE Network Consultant/Engineer (NNC, NNCE)

28. NACSE NOS InterOp Associate/Engineer (NNIA, NNIAE)

29. NACSE NOS InterOp Specialist/Engineer (NNIS, NNISE)

30. NACSE Senior Network Designer/Engineer (NSND/ NSNE)

31. NARTE Certified Engineer (NCE) - Wireless Systems Installer

32. Red Hat Certified Engineer (RHCE)

33. RSA Certified Systems Engineer (RSA/CSE)

34. SAIR, Linux/GNU Certified Engineer (LCE)

35. Software Engineering Management Certified Professional

36. Software Engineering Process Certified Professional

37. Spectrum Engineer (SE)

38. Spectrum Solutions Engineer (SSE)

39. Sun Certified Backup and Recovery Engineer

40. Sun Certified Data Management Engineer

41. Sun Certified Engineer for Sun ONE Application Server

42. Symantec Certified Security Engineer (SCSE)

43. Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer (MCSE)

44. Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer: Messaging (MCSE:Messaging)

45. Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer: Security (MCSE:Security)
--

Rowdy Yates
--
"the man who tried and failed miserably"

JaR
Thu Apr 08 10:14:59 CDT 2004

Rowdy Yates opined, On 4/8/04 7:53 AM:
<snippareno>
>
> 44. Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer: Messaging (MCSE:Messaging)
>
> 45. Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer: Security (MCSE:Security)

Oooh, oooh! Mr. Kotter!

What about them guys that drive trains? Ain't they Engineers, too?

A. Horshack

Politician
Thu Apr 08 10:52:23 CDT 2004

"JaR" <plentenospam@nospamsofthome.net> wrote in message
news:OChhCwXHEHA.3576@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Rowdy Yates opined, On 4/8/04 7:53 AM:
> <snippareno>
> >
> > 44. Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer: Messaging (MCSE:Messaging)
> >
> > 45. Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer: Security (MCSE:Security)
>
> Oooh, oooh! Mr. Kotter!
>
> What about them guys that drive trains? Ain't they Engineers, too?
>
> A. Horshack

Sanitation engineers (i.e. trashmen)?

--
Politician Spock
Thug #24601

Neil
Thu Apr 08 10:55:02 CDT 2004

Rowdy Yates <rowdy_yates2@removethis.lycos.com> wrote in
news:Xns94C56EC11EA1Erowdyyates2123@207.46.248.16:

> man, i hope my tax payer dollars didn't go towards paying for this bull
> $hit?

of course it did, your Canadian...(duh)

--
Neil
"you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"

Ron
Thu Apr 08 11:03:36 CDT 2004

If all these high falutin' Canadian "engineers" with
their college degrees can sit down and pass the 17 exams
that I have taken over the past 7 years, they'll KNOW
that it's probably equivalent to a MASTER'S program at
the college level in terms of study, application, and
testing. I'm an IS manager who has designed, installed,
and configured systems that were just as complex as
someone who has to figure out how to get an empty corn
flakes box from one end of the assembly line to the
other!!!! I, for one, resent their holier than thou
attitude about my credentials (given the fact that there
are SOME MSCE's out there who don't have a clue as to
where the on/off switch is on the server).
>-----Original Message-----
>The software giant is penalized for the first time over
its use of the word
>"engineer" in its professional certification program.
Just when you thought
>it was over, an old debate is reignited.
>
>http://www.itbusiness.ca/index.asp?theaction=61&sid=55274
>
>Okay, instead how's about "Microsoft Certified Systems
>Engineer-except-in-Quebec?"
>
>
>.
>

Rowdy
Thu Apr 08 11:04:50 CDT 2004

Neil <neilmcse@nospamforyou.com> wrote in
news:Xns94C579378FF97neilmcsehotmailcom@207.46.248.16:

> Rowdy Yates <rowdy_yates2@removethis.lycos.com> wrote in
> news:Xns94C56EC11EA1Erowdyyates2123@207.46.248.16:
>
>> man, i hope my tax payer dollars didn't go towards paying for this bull
>> $hit?
>
> of course it did, your Canadian...(duh)
>

guess what rowdy's doing this long weekend.....

sfw - http://www.acclaim.com/games/beachvolleyball/index.html

bum-dee-bum-dee-bum...

ain't it great to live in "fantasy" land....:-)

Rowdy Yates
--
"the man who tried and failed miserably"

Neil
Thu Apr 08 11:19:50 CDT 2004

Rowdy Yates <rowdy_yates2@removethis.lycos.com> wrote in
news:Xns94C57ACC57204rowdyyates2123@207.46.248.16:

> guess what rowdy's doing this long weekend.....
>
> sfw - http://www.acclaim.com/games/beachvolleyball/index.html
>
> bum-dee-bum-dee-bum...
>
> ain't it great to live in "fantasy" land....:-)
>

so then both hands will be occupied with different tasks...

:)

--
Neil
"you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"

Rowdy
Thu Apr 08 11:28:06 CDT 2004

Neil <neilmcse@nospamforyou.com> wrote in
news:Xns94C57D6AA69CBneilmcsehotmailcom@207.46.248.16:

> Rowdy Yates <rowdy_yates2@removethis.lycos.com> wrote in
> news:Xns94C57ACC57204rowdyyates2123@207.46.248.16:
>
>> guess what rowdy's doing this long weekend.....
>>
>> sfw - http://www.acclaim.com/games/beachvolleyball/index.html
>>
>> bum-dee-bum-dee-bum...
>>
>> ain't it great to live in "fantasy" land....:-)
>>
>
> so then both hands will be occupied with different tasks...
>
>:)
>

LOL... party....!!!!!!!



Rowdy Yates
--
"the man who tried and failed miserably"

Neil
Thu Apr 08 11:33:52 CDT 2004

Rowdy Yates <rowdy_yates2@removethis.lycos.com> wrote in
news:Xns94C57EBE85E15rowdyyates2123@207.46.248.16:

>
> LOL... party....!!!!!!!

not until JaR does his countdown. I wonder if he will be counting it on the
Thursday as opposed to the Friday. I would assume so.

Hey, I just remembered I get the Monday off too. (I love government
work...) And It's my Birthday this Sunday...wadjagemme?

--
Neil
"you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"

Rowdy
Thu Apr 08 11:37:10 CDT 2004

"Ron" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in news:1a16701c41d83
$0cd678c0$a301280a@phx.gbl:

> If all these high falutin' Canadian "engineers" with
> their college degrees can sit down and pass the 17 exams
> that I have taken over the past 7 years, they'll KNOW
> that it's probably equivalent to a MASTER'S program at
> the college level in terms of study, application, and
> testing. I'm an IS manager who has designed, installed,
> and configured systems that were just as complex as
> someone who has to figure out how to get an empty corn
> flakes box from one end of the assembly line to the
> other!!!! I, for one, resent their holier than thou
> attitude about my credentials (given the fact that there
> are SOME MSCE's out there who don't have a clue as to
> where the on/off switch is on the server).
>>-----Original Message-----
>>The software giant is penalized for the first time over
> its use of the word
>>"engineer" in its professional certification program.
> Just when you thought
>>it was over, an old debate is reignited.
>>
>>http://www.itbusiness.ca/index.asp?theaction=61&sid=55274
>>
>>Okay, instead how's about "Microsoft Certified Systems
>>Engineer-except-in-Quebec?"
>>
>>
>>.
>>

i think their argument is, if you didn't get it from an accreddited
university, it shouldn't have the word "engineer" in the title.

which is fine by me, as i stated on another post. i think we are really
"administrators". we don't "engineer" the systems, pre se. we buy them from
vendors that have looked after the "engineering" process of the systems.


Rowdy Yates
--
"the man who tried and failed miserably"

Ken
Thu Apr 08 11:39:14 CDT 2004

"Neil" <neilmcse@nospamforyou.com> wrote in message
news:Xns94C57FCB5B75neilmcsehotmailcom@207.46.248.16...
> Rowdy Yates <rowdy_yates2@removethis.lycos.com> wrote in
> news:Xns94C57EBE85E15rowdyyates2123@207.46.248.16:
>
> >
> > LOL... party....!!!!!!!
>
> not until JaR does his countdown. I wonder if he will be counting it on
the
> Thursday as opposed to the Friday. I would assume so.
>

I dunno, ask JaR. My beer-thirty is still Friday this week, though. <insert
frown>

> Hey, I just remembered I get the Monday off too. (I love government
> work...) And It's my Birthday this Sunday...wadjagemme?

"Same thing I got you last year"

--

KB - MCNGP "silent thug" #26

first initial last name AT hotmail DOT com

Rowdy
Thu Apr 08 11:40:31 CDT 2004

Neil <neilmcse@nospamforyou.com> wrote in
news:Xns94C57FCB5B75neilmcsehotmailcom@207.46.248.16:

> Rowdy Yates <rowdy_yates2@removethis.lycos.com> wrote in
> news:Xns94C57EBE85E15rowdyyates2123@207.46.248.16:
>
>>
>> LOL... party....!!!!!!!
>
> not until JaR does his countdown. I wonder if he will be counting it on the
> Thursday as opposed to the Friday. I would assume so.
>
> Hey, I just remembered I get the Monday off too. (I love government
> work...) And It's my Birthday this Sunday...wadjagemme?
>

i stared drinkin last night..

btw - happy b-day. what are you now, 82? :-)

Rowdy Yates
--
"the man who tried and failed miserably"

Ken
Thu Apr 08 11:47:23 CDT 2004

"Rowdy Yates" <rowdy_yates2@removethis.lycos.com> wrote in message
news:Xns94C58048BC4A1rowdyyates2123@207.46.248.16...
>
> i think their argument is,

silly?

if you didn't get it from an accreddited
> university, it shouldn't have the word "engineer" in the title.

oh. what does being an engineer have to do with an accredited university?
usually one follows the other, but that's technically up to the employer. I
might have crazy mad drafting skillz, but no diploma, and get hired to build
bridges. Probably not, but not out of the realm of possibilities.

>
> which is fine by me, as i stated on another post. i think we are really
> "administrators". we don't "engineer" the systems, pre se. we buy them
from
> vendors that have looked after the "engineering" process of the systems.

True enough. Even those who design and implement networks aren't really
engineers, I guess. But lots of titles don't make much sense, yet remain
because of custom. Are these canadian engineers (oxymoron? *runs*) so
insecure that they can't handle a few computer geeks calling themselves
engineers? Ijuts.

--

KB - MCNGP "silent thug" #26

first initial last name AT hotmail DOT com

JaR
Thu Apr 08 11:49:33 CDT 2004

Ken Briscoe opined, On 4/8/04 9:39 AM:

> "Neil" <neilmcse@nospamforyou.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns94C57FCB5B75neilmcsehotmailcom@207.46.248.16...
>
>>Rowdy Yates <rowdy_yates2@removethis.lycos.com> wrote in
>>news:Xns94C57EBE85E15rowdyyates2123@207.46.248.16:
>>
>>
>>>LOL... party....!!!!!!!
>>
>>not until JaR does his countdown. I wonder if he will be counting it on
>
> the
>
>>Thursday as opposed to the Friday. I would assume so.
>>
>
>
> I dunno, ask JaR. My beer-thirty is still Friday this week, though. <insert
> frown>

Yes, beer-thirty is still slated for Friday, as usual. Unlike gummint
employees, the rest of us peons must toil on.

>
>>Hey, I just remembered I get the Monday off too. (I love government
>>work...) And It's my Birthday this Sunday...wadjagemme?
>
>
> "Same thing I got you last year"
>

Oh, crap! Now he's gonna get two of them. Well, he can share one with Rowdy.

JaR
Generous Thug

Neil
Thu Apr 08 11:48:14 CDT 2004

"Ken Briscoe" <youcant@sendmespam.com> wrote in news:#MFyCgYHEHA.3576
@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl:

>
> "Same thing I got you last year"

we did this already and you called it a boring thread...

(but thanks for the thought <grin>)

--
Neil
"you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"

Ken
Thu Apr 08 11:48:53 CDT 2004

"Rowdy Yates" <rowdy_yates2@removethis.lycos.com> wrote in message
news:Xns94C580DA01109rowdyyates2123@207.46.248.16...
>
> i stared drinkin last night..

but the question is: did you stop?

--

KB - MCNGP "silent thug" #26

first initial last name AT hotmail DOT com

Neil
Thu Apr 08 11:49:41 CDT 2004

Rowdy Yates <rowdy_yates2@removethis.lycos.com> wrote in
news:Xns94C580DA01109rowdyyates2123@207.46.248.16:

> i stared drinkin last night..

and it shows in your spelling...

>
> btw - happy b-day. what are you now, 82? :-)
>

oh, to be that young again....

--
Neil
"you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"

Neil
Thu Apr 08 11:56:52 CDT 2004

Rowdy Yates <rowdy_yates2@removethis.lycos.com> wrote in
news:Xns94C58048BC4A1rowdyyates2123@207.46.248.16:

> we don't "engineer" the systems, pre se. we buy them from
> vendors that have looked after the "engineering" process of the
systems.
>

Speak for yourself. A lot of us have designed this from the ground up and
although I might get input from various vendors, it?s my design. Do I
have the nice little ring for my finger, no. Do I have a problem with Mr.
Engineer thinking my title should be changed? Not really. Call me what
ever you want, but the ring and a sheet of paper don't mean a tinkers
damn if you are good enough to do the job. And I would not want Mr.
Engineer to be within 1000 feet of my network...

Cripes, we've already decided that the paper is only worth the paper it's
written on. Why would someone else?s paper be worth anymore than mine
unless it was made of more expensive paper? There are good engineers and
bad ones...this is the "a rose by any other name" argument...

--
Neil
"you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"

Spyke
Thu Apr 08 12:06:23 CDT 2004


"Politician Spock" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:OV$m5FYHEHA.328@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> "JaR" <plentenospam@nospamsofthome.net> wrote in message
> news:OChhCwXHEHA.3576@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > Rowdy Yates opined, On 4/8/04 7:53 AM:
> > <snippareno>
> > >
> > > 44. Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer: Messaging (MCSE:Messaging)
> > >
> > > 45. Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer: Security (MCSE:Security)
> >
> > Oooh, oooh! Mr. Kotter!
> >
> > What about them guys that drive trains? Ain't they Engineers, too?
> >
> > A. Horshack
>
> Sanitation engineers (i.e. trashmen)?
>
> --
> Politician Spock
> Thug #24601
>
>

Domestic Engineers (i.e. housewives) :-)

Cheers,
Spyke

Rowdy
Thu Apr 08 12:06:44 CDT 2004

"Ken Briscoe" <youcant@sendmespam.com> wrote in news:ez1gblYHEHA.2452
@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl:

> "Rowdy Yates" <rowdy_yates2@removethis.lycos.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns94C580DA01109rowdyyates2123@207.46.248.16...
>>
>> i stared drinkin last night..
>
> but the question is: did you stop?
>

"girls....girls...girls...."
"girls....girls...girls...."
(motley crew, circa. hairspray 80's.)

the greatest set of lyrics ever written.

Rowdy Yates
--
"the man who tried and failed miserably"

Kat
Thu Apr 08 12:11:52 CDT 2004


>
> i stared drinkin last night..
>
> btw - happy b-day. what are you now, 82? :-)
>
> Rowdy Yates

I had a couple in your name as well Neil. And I cursed your name when
they came back up ;)

happy birthday!
--
Kat FORMER MCNGP #29

/* Get the facts first. You can distort them later. */

LnkWizard
Thu Apr 08 12:16:09 CDT 2004

"Rowdy Yates" <rowdy_yates2@removethis.lycos.com> wrote in message
news:Xns94C5854B6F8A8rowdyyates2123@207.46.248.16...
> "Ken Briscoe" <youcant@sendmespam.com> wrote in news:ez1gblYHEHA.2452
> @TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl:
>
> > "Rowdy Yates" <rowdy_yates2@removethis.lycos.com> wrote in message
> > news:Xns94C580DA01109rowdyyates2123@207.46.248.16...
> >>
> >> i stared drinkin last night..
> >
> > but the question is: did you stop?
> >
>
> "girls....girls...girls...."
> "girls....girls...girls...."
> (motley crew, circa. hairspray 80's.)
>
> the greatest set of lyrics ever written.
>
> Rowdy Yates
> --
> "the man who tried and failed miserably"
>
I don't remeber the title to that song, but the entertainers at
gentlemen's clubs call that song "Cattle Call" since most DJ's
use it as the last song of the night for all the entertainerss to get
up on stage to entertain the customers.

--
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
LnkWizard MCNGP 2^5

"He who does not test himself is worthless indeed"
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---

Rowdy
Thu Apr 08 12:16:17 CDT 2004

Kat <misty@No.SPAM.flynt.org> wrote in news:407587d8$1@obsidian.gov.bc.ca:

>
>>
>> i stared drinkin last night..
>>
>> btw - happy b-day. what are you now, 82? :-)
>>
>> Rowdy Yates
>
> I had a couple in your name as well Neil. And I cursed your name when
> they came back up ;)
>
> happy birthday!

ewww... yuk!

Rowdy Yates
--
"the man who tried and failed miserably"

LnkWizard
Thu Apr 08 12:20:04 CDT 2004

"Neil" <neilmcse@nospamforyou.com> wrote in message
news:Xns94C583B17E58Bneilmcsehotmailcom@207.46.248.16...
> Rowdy Yates <rowdy_yates2@removethis.lycos.com> wrote in
> news:Xns94C58048BC4A1rowdyyates2123@207.46.248.16:
>
> > we don't "engineer" the systems, pre se. we buy them from
> > vendors that have looked after the "engineering" process of the
> systems.
> >
>
> Speak for yourself. A lot of us have designed this from the ground up and
> although I might get input from various vendors, it's my design. Do I
> have the nice little ring for my finger, no. Do I have a problem with Mr.
> Engineer thinking my title should be changed? Not really. Call me what
> ever you want, but the ring and a sheet of paper don't mean a tinkers
> damn if you are good enough to do the job. And I would not want Mr.
> Engineer to be within 1000 feet of my network...
>
> Cripes, we've already decided that the paper is only worth the paper it's
> written on. Why would someone else's paper be worth anymore than mine
> unless it was made of more expensive paper? There are good engineers and
> bad ones...this is the "a rose by any other name" argument...
>
> --
> Neil
> "you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"

In my job, I get the "privilege" of working with engineers. There
are some who I don't want to even let near a keyboard let alone
the network. There is one engineer who calls me on a weekly
basis because he can't even run a simple word processor. He manages
to either screw up his document, lose it, or erase another file when
trying to save the one he is working on.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
LnkWizard MCNGP 2^5

"He who does not test himself is worthless indeed"
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---

Ken
Thu Apr 08 12:24:48 CDT 2004

"LnkWizard" <lnk.wizard.nodots2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e3WDw0YHEHA.3108@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> I don't remeber the title to that song, but the entertainers at
> gentlemen's clubs call that song "Cattle Call" since most DJ's
> use it as the last song of the night for all the entertainerss to get
> up on stage to entertain the customers.
>

I wouldn't know anything about that, Mr. Wizard. Explain to me, who are
these entertainers, and what do they do that keeps the customers so
entertained?

--

KB - MCNGP "T...no, wait, A....yeah, A...thug" #26

first initial last name AT hotmail DOT com

Rowdy
Thu Apr 08 12:25:38 CDT 2004

"LnkWizard" <lnk.wizard.nodots2@hotmail.com> wrote in news:e$P682YHEHA.548
@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl:

>
> In my job, I get the "privilege" of working with engineers. There
> are some who I don't want to even let near a keyboard let alone
> the network. There is one engineer who calls me on a weekly
> basis because he can't even run a simple word processor. He manages
> to either screw up his document, lose it, or erase another file when
> trying to save the one he is working on.
>

hey! that's one of my users! i been looking for him all over. give him back,
biotch!


Rowdy Yates
--
"the man who tried and failed miserably"

Kat
Thu Apr 08 12:37:57 CDT 2004

<snip>
>>I had a couple in your name as well Neil. And I cursed your name when
>>they came back up ;)
>>
>>happy birthday!
>
>
> ewww... yuk!
>
> Rowdy Yates

Yeah, I thought so too. Processed Calamari- yummy.
--
Kat FORMER MCNGP #29

/* Get the facts first. You can distort them later. */

LnkWizard
Thu Apr 08 12:40:14 CDT 2004

He's mine now, you'll just have to find another. Although.......
Maybe I could convince you to take the user who always installs
Date Manager and Precision time by GATOR.

--
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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LnkWizard MCNGP 2^5

"He who does not test himself is worthless indeed"
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---


"Rowdy Yates" <rowdy_yates2@removethis.lycos.com> wrote in message
news:Xns94C588802D78Crowdyyates2123@207.46.248.16...
> "LnkWizard" <lnk.wizard.nodots2@hotmail.com> wrote in news:e$P682YHEHA.548
> @TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl:
>
> >
> > In my job, I get the "privilege" of working with engineers. There
> > are some who I don't want to even let near a keyboard let alone
> > the network. There is one engineer who calls me on a weekly
> > basis because he can't even run a simple word processor. He manages
> > to either screw up his document, lose it, or erase another file when
> > trying to save the one he is working on.
> >
>
> hey! that's one of my users! i been looking for him all over. give him
back,
> biotch!
>
>
> Rowdy Yates
> --
> "the man who tried and failed miserably"
>

JaR
Thu Apr 08 12:46:12 CDT 2004

Rowdy Yates opined, On 4/8/04 10:06 AM:
>
> "girls....girls...girls...."
> "girls....girls...girls...."
> (motley crew, circa. hairspray 80's.)
>
> the greatest set of lyrics ever written.
>

Nah, gotta be "now you're messin' with...
A son of a bitch...
*Nazareth '75

LnkWizard
Thu Apr 08 12:43:53 CDT 2004

"Ken Briscoe" <youcant@sendmespam.com> wrote in message
news:%23xgPg5YHEHA.3476@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>
> I wouldn't know anything about that, Mr. Wizard. Explain to me, who are
> these entertainers, and what do they do that keeps the customers so
> entertained?
>
> --
>
> KB - MCNGP "T...no, wait, A....yeah, A...thug" #26
>
> first initial last name AT hotmail DOT com
>
>
They dance for the customers wearing little or no clothes. I used to
have a part-time job as a bartender/bouncer (No Rowdy, not that
kind of bouncer) in a strip club.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
LnkWizard MCNGP 2^5

"He who does not test himself is worthless indeed"
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---

Rowdy
Thu Apr 08 12:46:58 CDT 2004

Kat <misty@No.SPAM.flynt.org> wrote in news:40758df5$1@obsidian.gov.bc.ca:

> <snip>
>>>I had a couple in your name as well Neil. And I cursed your name when
>>>they came back up ;)
>>>
>>>happy birthday!
>>
>>
>> ewww... yuk!
>>
>> Rowdy Yates
>
> Yeah, I thought so too. Processed Calamari- yummy.

was there a peanut in there?

question, how come there is always a peanut but i don't remember eating
peanuts... :-(

Rowdy Yates
--
"the man who tried and failed miserably"
--
Visit Rowdy's Home Page
http://rowdy_yates2.tripod.com/

Rowdy
Thu Apr 08 12:48:58 CDT 2004

"LnkWizard" <lnk.wizard.nodots2@hotmail.com> wrote in news:e3xGNCZHEHA.3284
@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl:

> He's mine now, you'll just have to find another. Although.......
> Maybe I could convince you to take the user who always installs
> Date Manager and Precision time by GATOR.
>

i had one loser accuse the network and system admins of installing that stuff
on users machines. idiot...

Rowdy Yates
--
"the man who tried and failed miserably"
--
Visit Rowdy's Home Page
http://rowdy_yates2.tripod.com/

Rowdy
Thu Apr 08 12:49:44 CDT 2004

hey, was that you who bounced me all those times?

"LnkWizard" <lnk.wizard.nodots2@hotmail.com> wrote in news:OFPqQEZHEHA.2012
@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl:

> "Ken Briscoe" <youcant@sendmespam.com> wrote in message
> news:%23xgPg5YHEHA.3476@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>>
>> I wouldn't know anything about that, Mr. Wizard. Explain to me, who are
>> these entertainers, and what do they do that keeps the customers so
>> entertained?
>>
>> --
>>
>> KB - MCNGP "T...no, wait, A....yeah, A...thug" #26
>>
>> first initial last name AT hotmail DOT com
>>
>>
> They dance for the customers wearing little or no clothes. I used to
> have a part-time job as a bartender/bouncer (No Rowdy, not that
> kind of bouncer) in a strip club.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
> ---
> LnkWizard MCNGP 2^5
>
> "He who does not test himself is worthless indeed"
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
> ---
>
>



Rowdy Yates
--
"the man who tried and failed miserably"
--
Visit Rowdy's Home Page
http://rowdy_yates2.tripod.com/

Ken
Thu Apr 08 12:51:20 CDT 2004

"LnkWizard" <lnk.wizard.nodots2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:OFPqQEZHEHA.2012@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> They dance for the customers wearing little or no clothes. I used to
> have a part-time job as a bartender/bouncer (No Rowdy, not that
> kind of bouncer) in a strip club.

*shocked*

They....they....they *what?!* No clothes? Are you for real? These
"gentlemen" find this entertaining? Why on earth?! I....I just don't get it.
And they even have the nerve to call them "strip clubs?" Next you'll be
telling me they serve beer and wings, too, right? Furrfu!

--

KB - MCNGP "silent thug" #26

first initial last name AT hotmail DOT com

Ken
Thu Apr 08 12:52:50 CDT 2004

"LnkWizard" <lnk.wizard.nodots2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e3xGNCZHEHA.3284@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> Date Manager and Precision time by GATOR.

Stop with the cuss words, dammit!

--

KB - MCNGP "silent thug" #26

first initial last name AT hotmail DOT com

Kat
Thu Apr 08 13:11:57 CDT 2004

Well, I didn't *disect* it or anything, but there was a peanut. I think
it's a body fluid thingy.

Rowdy Yates wrote:
> Kat <misty@No.SPAM.flynt.org> wrote in news:40758df5$1@obsidian.gov.bc.ca:
>
>
>><snip>
>>
>>>>I had a couple in your name as well Neil. And I cursed your name when
>>>>they came back up ;)
>>>>
>>>>happy birthday!
>>>
>>>
>>>ewww... yuk!
>>>
>>>Rowdy Yates
>>
>>Yeah, I thought so too. Processed Calamari- yummy.
>
>
> was there a peanut in there?
>
> question, how come there is always a peanut but i don't remember eating
> peanuts... :-(
>
> Rowdy Yates

--
Kat FORMER MCNGP #29

/* Get the facts first. You can distort them later. */

JaR
Thu Apr 08 13:25:38 CDT 2004

Rowdy Yates opined, On 4/8/04 10:48 AM:
>
>
> i had one loser accuse the network and system admins of installing that stuff
> on users machines. idiot...
>
> Rowdy Yates

Installed SpyBot on a luser's machine a while back. Actually got a call
from her saying that SpyBot is attracting that spyware, because she sure
as heck never downloaded Gator or any of that other stuff. Had to
explain, again. Why is it that some people touch a keyboard, and
suddenly become shrouded a dense fog of stupidity.

This being the same one that still thinks that when something locks up,
the best way out is to pull the battery out of the laptop. Evertime she
says that, I cringe and once again try to explain the 3 finger salute.
Task manager takes more than a picosecond to come up, however, and *pop*
out comes that fscking battery!

JaR
Cringing Thug

Neil
Thu Apr 08 13:25:46 CDT 2004

"LnkWizard" <lnk.wizard.nodots2@hotmail.com> wrote in news:e$P682YHEHA.548
@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl:

> In my job, I get the "privilege" of working with engineers. There
> are some who I don't want to even let near a keyboard let alone
> the network. There is one engineer who calls me on a weekly
> basis because he can't even run a simple word processor. He manages
> to either screw up his document, lose it, or erase another file when
> trying to save the one he is working on.

but he's got the stupid ring doesn't he...harumph

--
Neil
"you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"

Neil
Thu Apr 08 13:24:44 CDT 2004

"LnkWizard" <lnk.wizard.nodots2@hotmail.com> wrote in news:e3xGNCZHEHA.3284
@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl:

> Date Manager and Precision time by GATOR.

fscking webshots!

--
Neil
"you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"

LnkWizard
Thu Apr 08 13:27:19 CDT 2004

More than just beer and wings, you could also get hard liquor there.
Some of the "ladies" would even dance up close to the customer
almost in their lap even. Depending upon the club they even had
"private area" where the dance could get very personal.

--
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
LnkWizard MCNGP 2^5

"He who does not test himself is worthless indeed"
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---


"Ken Briscoe" <youcant@sendmespam.com> wrote in message
news:OEkFVIZHEHA.3576@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> "LnkWizard" <lnk.wizard.nodots2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:OFPqQEZHEHA.2012@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > They dance for the customers wearing little or no clothes. I used to
> > have a part-time job as a bartender/bouncer (No Rowdy, not that
> > kind of bouncer) in a strip club.
>
> *shocked*
>
> They....they....they *what?!* No clothes? Are you for real? These
> "gentlemen" find this entertaining? Why on earth?! I....I just don't get
it.
> And they even have the nerve to call them "strip clubs?" Next you'll be
> telling me they serve beer and wings, too, right? Furrfu!
>
> --
>
> KB - MCNGP "silent thug" #26
>
> first initial last name AT hotmail DOT com
>
>

LnkWizard
Thu Apr 08 13:28:20 CDT 2004

Probably, I was the short chubby guy with the half a pool cue in hand.

--
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
LnkWizard MCNGP 2^5

"He who does not test himself is worthless indeed"
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---


"Rowdy Yates" <rowdy_yates2@removethis.lycos.com> wrote in message
news:Xns94C58C958F6E0rowdyyates2123@207.46.248.16...
> hey, was that you who bounced me all those times?
>
> "LnkWizard" <lnk.wizard.nodots2@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:OFPqQEZHEHA.2012
> @TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl:
>
> > "Ken Briscoe" <youcant@sendmespam.com> wrote in message
> > news:%23xgPg5YHEHA.3476@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> >>
> >> I wouldn't know anything about that, Mr. Wizard. Explain to me, who are
> >> these entertainers, and what do they do that keeps the customers so
> >> entertained?
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> KB - MCNGP "T...no, wait, A....yeah, A...thug" #26
> >>
> >> first initial last name AT hotmail DOT com
> >>
> >>
> > They dance for the customers wearing little or no clothes. I used to
> > have a part-time job as a bartender/bouncer (No Rowdy, not that
> > kind of bouncer) in a strip club.
> >
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
> -
> > ---
> > LnkWizard MCNGP 2^5
> >
> > "He who does not test himself is worthless indeed"
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
> -
> > ---
> >
> >
>
>
>
> Rowdy Yates
> --
> "the man who tried and failed miserably"
> --
> Visit Rowdy's Home Page
> http://rowdy_yates2.tripod.com/
>

Neil
Thu Apr 08 13:29:00 CDT 2004

Kat <misty@No.SPAM.flynt.org> wrote in news:407587d8$1
@obsidian.gov.bc.ca:

>
>>
>> i stared drinkin last night..
>>
>> btw - happy b-day. what are you now, 82? :-)
>>
>> Rowdy Yates
>
> I had a couple in your name as well Neil. And I cursed your name when
> they came back up ;)
>
> happy birthday!

thanks for the image....

--
Neil
"you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"

Neil
Thu Apr 08 13:31:43 CDT 2004

JaR <plentenospam@nospamsofthome.net> wrote in
news:#2Da4kYHEHA.3696@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl:

> Oh, crap! Now he's gonna get two of them. Well, he can share one with
> Rowdy.

I can keep them both, don't worry. I'll have plenty of space in the trunk
of my Ferarri once it gets here

--
Neil
"you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"

Neil
Thu Apr 08 13:32:07 CDT 2004

JaR <plentenospam@nospamsofthome.net> wrote in news:#2Da4kYHEHA.3696
@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl:

> Yes, beer-thirty is still slated for Friday, as usual. Unlike gummint
> employees, the rest of us peons must toil on.
>

gee, that's too bad :)

*running*

--
Neil
"you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"

Ken
Thu Apr 08 13:45:10 CDT 2004

"LnkWizard" <lnk.wizard.nodots2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:eaW9gcZHEHA.2432@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> More than just beer and wings, you could also get hard liquor there.
> Some of the "ladies" would even dance up close to the customer
> almost in their lap even. Depending upon the club they even had
> "private area" where the dance could get very personal.

You don't say. Hmm. Learn something new every day.

--

KB - MCNGP "silent thug" #26

first initial last name AT hotmail DOT com

LnkWizard
Thu Apr 08 13:47:02 CDT 2004

"Neil" <neilmcse@nospamforyou.com> wrote in message
news:Xns94C5929B89F66neilmcsehotmailcom@207.46.248.16...
> "LnkWizard" <lnk.wizard.nodots2@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:e3xGNCZHEHA.3284
> @TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl:
>
> > Date Manager and Precision time by GATOR.
>
> fscking webshots!
>
> --
> Neil
> "you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"

Webshots and Weather Bug, tow programs that can really screw a system

--
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
LnkWizard MCNGP 2^5

"He who does not test himself is worthless indeed"
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---

TechGeekPro
Thu Apr 08 13:47:47 CDT 2004

But remember, despite whatever you've been told, there is NO SEX in the
champagne room.

--
I may not be fully certified, but I am fully certifiable.

"LnkWizard" <lnk.wizard.nodots2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:eaW9gcZHEHA.2432@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> More than just beer and wings, you could also get hard liquor there.
> Some of the "ladies" would even dance up close to the customer
> almost in their lap even. Depending upon the club they even had
> "private area" where the dance could get very personal.
>
> --
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> ---
> LnkWizard MCNGP 2^5
>
> "He who does not test himself is worthless indeed"
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> ---
>
>
> "Ken Briscoe" <youcant@sendmespam.com> wrote in message
> news:OEkFVIZHEHA.3576@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > "LnkWizard" <lnk.wizard.nodots2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:OFPqQEZHEHA.2012@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > > They dance for the customers wearing little or no clothes. I used to
> > > have a part-time job as a bartender/bouncer (No Rowdy, not that
> > > kind of bouncer) in a strip club.
> >
> > *shocked*
> >
> > They....they....they *what?!* No clothes? Are you for real? These
> > "gentlemen" find this entertaining? Why on earth?! I....I just don't get
> it.
> > And they even have the nerve to call them "strip clubs?" Next you'll be
> > telling me they serve beer and wings, too, right? Furrfu!
> >
> > --
> >
> > KB - MCNGP "silent thug" #26
> >
> > first initial last name AT hotmail DOT com
> >
> >
>
>

JaR
Thu Apr 08 13:53:37 CDT 2004

Neil opined, On 4/8/04 11:32 AM:

> gee, that's too bad :)
>
> *running*
>

*JaR calmly loads rifle*

Neil
Thu Apr 08 14:01:44 CDT 2004

JaR <plentenospam@nospamsofthome.net> wrote in news:#hfHNqZHEHA.3992
@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl:

>
> *JaR calmly loads rifle*
>

Oh, no you don't you can't bring that accross the border...

(ps. I get Monday off too...*running faster*)

--
Neil
"you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"

Neil
Thu Apr 08 14:02:42 CDT 2004

"LnkWizard" <lnk.wizard.nodots2@hotmail.com> wrote in news:OHJvinZHEHA.3820
@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl:

> Webshots and Weather Bug, tow programs that can really screw a system

here's 2 more, IE and Outlook....

:)

--
Neil
"you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"

TechGeekPro
Thu Apr 08 14:07:30 CDT 2004

Or Windows Me.

--
I may not be fully certified, but I am fully certifiable.

"Neil" <neilmcse@nospamforyou.com> wrote in message
news:Xns94C5990B8A43Fneilmcsehotmailcom@207.46.248.16...
> "LnkWizard" <lnk.wizard.nodots2@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:OHJvinZHEHA.3820
> @tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl:
>
> > Webshots and Weather Bug, tow programs that can really screw a system
>
> here's 2 more, IE and Outlook....
>
> :)
>
> --
> Neil
> "you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"

Neil
Thu Apr 08 14:17:02 CDT 2004

"TechGeekPro" <%username%@yahoo.com> wrote in news:uDeG#yZHEHA.3356
@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl:

> Or Windows Me.
>

http://www.geocities.com/rcwoolley/

--
Neil
"you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"

JaR
Thu Apr 08 14:20:25 CDT 2004

Neil opined, On 4/8/04 12:01 PM:

> JaR <plentenospam@nospamsofthome.net> wrote in news:#hfHNqZHEHA.3992
> @TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl:
>
>
>>*JaR calmly loads rifle*
>>
>
>
> Oh, no you don't you can't bring that accross the border...
>
> (ps. I get Monday off too...*running faster*)
>

*and adjusts scope*

JaR
Thu Apr 08 14:23:45 CDT 2004

Neil opined, On 4/8/04 12:02 PM:

> "LnkWizard" <lnk.wizard.nodots2@hotmail.com> wrote in news:OHJvinZHEHA.3820
> @tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl:
>
>
>>Webshots and Weather Bug, tow programs that can really screw a system
>
>
> here's 2 more, IE and Outlook....
>
> :)
>

Well, arguably, if you're running windows, you're already screwed.

Thankfully, if all those nice folks weren't running windows, I'd have a
lot less that I could bill for.

JaR
$$$ Thug

Neil
Thu Apr 08 14:24:13 CDT 2004

JaR <plentenospam@nospamsofthome.net> wrote in news:OpPIL5ZHEHA.3284
@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl:

> *and adjusts scope*

better aim for my house. I'll be leaving work in an hour and I wont be back
till Tuesday...

*now driving away at top speed from incoming bullet*

--
Neil
"you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"

Neil
Thu Apr 08 14:29:03 CDT 2004

JaR <plentenospam@nospamsofthome.net> wrote in news:uapUC7ZHEHA.2480
@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl:

> Well, arguably, if you're running windows, you're already screwed.
>
> Thankfully, if all those nice folks weren't running windows, I'd have a
> lot less that I could bill for.
>
> JaR
> $$$ Thug
>
>

and if it wasn't for Lusers we'd all work in India....

--
Neil
"you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"

JaR
Thu Apr 08 14:57:12 CDT 2004

Neil opined, On 4/8/04 12:24 PM:

> JaR <plentenospam@nospamsofthome.net> wrote in news:OpPIL5ZHEHA.3284
> @TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl:
>
>
>>*and adjusts scope*
>
>
> better aim for my house. I'll be leaving work in an hour and I wont be back
> till Tuesday...
>
> *now driving away at top speed from incoming bullet*
>

*sets trajectory and windage*

JaR
Thu Apr 08 14:58:43 CDT 2004

Neil opined, On 4/8/04 12:29 PM:
>
> and if it wasn't for Lusers we'd all work in India....
>

Sorry, bounced that one around several times. Logic still not apparent.
Thanks for playing, anyway.

Neil
Thu Apr 08 15:04:07 CDT 2004

JaR <plentenospam@nospamsofthome.net> wrote in news:eI$ZuNaHEHA.3432
@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl:

>
> *sets trajectory and windage*
>

Neil is over there
------------------------------>(rowdy)

--
Neil
"you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"

Neil
Thu Apr 08 15:05:00 CDT 2004

JaR <plentenospam@nospamsofthome.net> wrote in news:#vH9kOaHEHA.3432
@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl:

> Neil opined, On 4/8/04 12:29 PM:
>>
>> and if it wasn't for Lusers we'd all work in India....
>>
>
> Sorry, bounced that one around several times. Logic still not apparent.
> Thanks for playing, anyway.
>

your right, no logic. good thing my weeks almost done....

--
Neil
"you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"

Kat
Thu Apr 08 15:08:05 CDT 2004

ME TOO ME TOO ME TOO

now what to do with those four *PAID* (at an exhorbitant rate) days off....

Neil wrote:
> JaR <plentenospam@nospamsofthome.net> wrote in news:#hfHNqZHEHA.3992
> @TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl:
>
>
>>*JaR calmly loads rifle*
>>
>
>
> Oh, no you don't you can't bring that accross the border...
>
> (ps. I get Monday off too...*running faster*)
>

--
Kat FORMER MCNGP #29

/* Get the facts first. You can distort them later. */

Neil
Thu Apr 08 15:20:07 CDT 2004

Kat <misty@No.SPAM.flynt.org> wrote in
news:4075b124$1@obsidian.gov.bc.ca:

>
> ME TOO ME TOO ME TOO
>
> now what to do with those four *PAID* (at an exhorbitant rate) days
> off....

I LOVE MY JOB! as for my 4 days of paid time off, I thought I woudl prep
for the DST exam but I wasn't sure what to do with the other 3 days (put-
down!)

--
Neil
"you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"

TechGeekPro
Thu Apr 08 15:21:29 CDT 2004

That was nice, but really, if you have Windows Me, do you need anything
else?

--
I may not be fully certified, but I am fully certifiable.

"Neil" <neilmcse@nospamforyou.com> wrote in message
news:Xns94C59B7A3CFF4neilmcsehotmailcom@207.46.248.16...
> "TechGeekPro" <%username%@yahoo.com> wrote in news:uDeG#yZHEHA.3356
> @TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl:
>
> > Or Windows Me.
> >
>
> http://www.geocities.com/rcwoolley/
>
> --
> Neil
> "you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"

Neil
Thu Apr 08 15:24:31 CDT 2004

"TechGeekPro" <%username%@yahoo.com> wrote in news:exiOUcaHEHA.4092
@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl:

> That was nice, but really, if you have Windows Me, do you need anything
> else?

asprin...

--
Neil
"you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"

Brian
Thu Apr 08 15:25:33 CDT 2004

"Rowdy Yates" <rowdy_ya