MSCE and A+

If Im interested only in networking should I bypass the A+ cert and dive
right into MCSE or having the A+ certification helps


thanks

eb nj

Frisbee®
Mon Apr 17 13:33:25 CDT 2006

"ebnj" <ebnj@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:6DBC276B-266C-4716-8C64-6F4F49D2E94F@microsoft.com...
> If Im interested only in networking should I bypass the A+ cert and dive
> right into MCSE or having the A+ certification helps

Go for the A+ first.

Then go for the Net+ next.

Then get some real experience. Lots of it.

Then go for your MCSE or maybe your MCSA, or maybe even start with an MCP.

I'm not joking.

Seriously.

Sigh... nobody listens to me.

Go ahead, learn the hard way.

JaR
Mon Apr 17 13:48:41 CDT 2006

"Frisbee®" <billLASTNAME@yahoo.com> wrote in news:#IXZi1kYGHA.3936
@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl:

>
> Sigh... nobody listens to me.
>
> Go ahead, learn the hard way.

No, no, no! Whatever is wrong with you today? _Everybody_ knows you start
at the top these days.

--
JaR
MCNGP #22
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ebnj
Mon Apr 17 13:47:01 CDT 2006

Thank you. Im trying to switch careers at age 33. Back the drawing board.
Seriously though thanks for your advice because I wouldnt know better. I
have a few friends who are telling me to jump over both A+ and even N+
because I will never use either of them. Sounded fishy to me.

Thanks
eb

"Frisbee®" wrote:

> "ebnj" <ebnj@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:6DBC276B-266C-4716-8C64-6F4F49D2E94F@microsoft.com...
> > If Im interested only in networking should I bypass the A+ cert and dive
> > right into MCSE or having the A+ certification helps
>
> Go for the A+ first.
>
> Then go for the Net+ next.
>
> Then get some real experience. Lots of it.
>
> Then go for your MCSE or maybe your MCSA, or maybe even start with an MCP.
>
> I'm not joking.
>
> Seriously.
>
> Sigh... nobody listens to me.
>
> Go ahead, learn the hard way.
>
>
>

CBIC
Mon Apr 17 13:51:26 CDT 2006

In news:E4D1A0AA-5BDC-400B-B56C-5CDD8298F380@microsoft.com,
ebnj <ebnj@discussions.microsoft.com> simply stated:
> Thank you. Im trying to switch careers at age 33. Back the drawing
> board. Seriously though thanks for your advice because I wouldnt know
> better. I have a few friends who are telling me to jump over both A+
> and even N+ because I will never use either of them. Sounded fishy to
> me.
>
> Thanks
> eb

If you're looking to do networking, get your hands on some routers or router
sims and look at getting CCNA after gaining some decent experience.
--
aka
Doom MCNGP #38
Is that a burdizzo in your pocket or are you just glad to see me.

MitchS
Mon Apr 17 13:52:01 CDT 2006

"Frisbee®" <billLASTNAME@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:%23IXZi1kYGHA.3936@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Sigh... nobody listens to me.

Did you say something?

--
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MCNGP XLVIII (Now do the other certs REALLY matter?)
Get yer sorry James over to www.mcngp.com

Neil
Mon Apr 17 14:11:50 CDT 2006

did you hear "CBIC" <spam.thisbiotch@gmail.com> say in
news:ePGvv$kYGHA.3424@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:

> If you're looking to do networking, get your hands on some routers or
> router sims and look at getting CCNA after gaining some decent
> experience.

that's like bypassing basic first aid and diving headlong into neurosurgery

--
The InterNeil MCNGP Triple X

- I wonder if there are any "GUILTY bystanders?"

Neil
Mon Apr 17 14:13:12 CDT 2006

did you hear JaR <akabuxderby@gmail.com> say in
news:Xns97A8787EFB305onlyifabsolutelynece@207.46.248.16:

> _Everybody_ knows you start
> at the top these days.
>
>

splain's why my firstborn is currently looking for a summer job with the
title CEO

--
The InterNeil MCNGP Triple X

- Adam's Rib: The original bone of contention.

CBIC
Mon Apr 17 14:17:24 CDT 2006

In news:Xns97A89A92F423Aneilmcsegmailcom@207.46.248.16,
Neil <guess!!!@gmail.com> simply stated:
> did you hear "CBIC" <spam.thisbiotch@gmail.com> say in
> news:ePGvv$kYGHA.3424@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:
>
>> If you're looking to do networking, get your hands on some routers or
>> router sims and look at getting CCNA after gaining some decent
>> experience.
>
> that's like bypassing basic first aid and diving headlong into
> neurosurgery

Ahem...note that I said "after gaining some decent experience"
--
aka
Doom MCNGP #38
Is that a burdizzo in your pocket or are you just glad to see me.

JaR
Mon Apr 17 14:18:00 CDT 2006

Neil <guess!!!@gmail.com> wrote in
news:Xns97A89A92F423Aneilmcsegmailcom@207.46.248.16:

> that's like bypassing basic first aid and diving headlong into
> neurosurgery

You have a problem with that?

--
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M.D.(Neurosurgery)& MCNGP #22
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Neil
Mon Apr 17 14:38:21 CDT 2006

did you hear JaR <akabuxderby@gmail.com> say in
news:Xns97A87D779A889onlyifabsolutelynece@207.46.248.16:

>
> You have a problem with that?

so long as I'm not the patient

--
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- Illiterate? Write for FREE HELP!

Neil
Mon Apr 17 14:39:33 CDT 2006

did you hear "CBIC" <spam.thisbiotch@gmail.com> say in
news:OtFJQOlYGHA.4760@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:

> Ahem...note that I said "after gaining some decent experience"

at this point I doubt he would know what decent expereince is

--
The InterNeil MCNGP Triple X

- Tech Tip # 132: Have it up and running *before* you say "just five more
minutes."

ebnj
Mon Apr 17 15:31:00 CDT 2006

whats the difference between CCNA and MCSE? Which route should i take?

"CBIC" wrote:CCNA

> In news:E4D1A0AA-5BDC-400B-B56C-5CDD8298F380@microsoft.com,
> ebnj <ebnj@discussions.microsoft.com> simply stated:
> > Thank you. Im trying to switch careers at age 33. Back the drawing
> > board. Seriously though thanks for your advice because I wouldnt know
> > better. I have a few friends who are telling me to jump over both A+
> > and even N+ because I will never use either of them. Sounded fishy to
> > me.
> >
> > Thanks
> > eb
>
> If you're looking to do networking, get your hands on some routers or router
> sims and look at getting CCNA after gaining some decent experience.
> --
> aka
> Doom MCNGP #38
> Is that a burdizzo in your pocket or are you just glad to see me.
>
>
>
>

CBIC
Mon Apr 17 15:34:16 CDT 2006

In news:8C5EE3E2-F698-463B-BBE6-191384624E97@microsoft.com,
ebnj <ebnj@discussions.microsoft.com> simply stated:
> whats the difference between CCNA and MCSE? Which route should i take?

You should research the difference for yourself. Only you can decide which
route to take.
--
aka
Doom MCNGP #38
Is that a burdizzo in your pocket or are you just glad to see me.

Stan
Mon Apr 17 15:47:28 CDT 2006

> splain's why my firstborn is currently looking for a summer job with the
> title CEO

You have kid's! I'm amazed, f_ck you must be an alien!

Stan
Mon Apr 17 15:47:54 CDT 2006

> Did you say something?

Nothing of any worth.

JaR
Mon Apr 17 16:15:19 CDT 2006

"Stan" <StanTheMan@yahooo.com> wrote in news:1247vjhphvgta1
@corp.supernews.com:

> You have kid's

He has kid's what?


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Remove hat to reply

Bigus
Mon Apr 17 20:39:35 CDT 2006

**Stan's** the one who fcukin said it
<<-------------------------------->>
>
> You have kid's! I'm amazed, f_ck you must be an alien!
>
That was just as incoherent as lowdes' gibberish. Just give up now...you
can't win.
--
Bigus Di©kus
MCNGP Sb (Antimony)
--You can't have it....it's *mine*

Bigus
Mon Apr 17 20:40:55 CDT 2006

**Stan's** the one who fcukin said it
<<-------------------------------->>
>
> Nothing of any worth.
>
You're still a moron!
--
Bigus Di©kus
MCNGP Sb (Antimony)
--You can't have it....it's *mine*

loopback
Tue Apr 18 12:39:02 CDT 2006

The way I see it, for a newb; that's half the battle...

When you've never been exposed to the technology in any real depth, and have
no experience in a comercial environment; then you dont know; what you dont
know.

For example, take some kid who uses XP at home and is 'really good with
computers' one day he decides he'll spend the rest of his days as the IT guy.
Okay he can play games and use the internet, email etc...

But ask him to join the machine to a domain... "whats a domain"
ask him about WINS..."whats WINS"
ask him about registry... "whats the registry"
Ask about EFS and NTFS.
Ask him to explain the difference between NTFS permissions and shared folder
permissions "duh, whats NTFS". And these are just a few of the basics.

He doesn't know what he doesn't know. And as I'm finding out, theres a LOT
to know. Without exposure/experience the newb is a fusked as a dirty slag on
prom night.

Experience is great to get if you can get the experience, but what if you
need a cert to get the job (exposure)? I recon this is half the reason we
have soooo00o many a$sFuâ?¬kers with certs, who cheat their way into a cert, to
get the job, to learn the skills, who then have to wip out a book everytime
they have to do somthing simple like work out subnets or figure out how to
map a fusking network drive. Lets not forget though - as MS sees it they're
still MCSEs.
--
LoopBack


"Neil" wrote:

> did you hear "CBIC" <spam.thisbiotch@gmail.com> say in
> news:OtFJQOlYGHA.4760@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:
>
> > Ahem...note that I said "after gaining some decent experience"
>
> at this point I doubt he would know what decent expereince is
>
> --
> The InterNeil MCNGP Triple X
>
> - Tech Tip # 132: Have it up and running *before* you say "just five more
> minutes."
>

Kline
Tue Apr 18 13:15:55 CDT 2006

>Then go for your MCSE or maybe your MCSA, or maybe even start with an MCP

getaway man, really? ;-)

Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3

JRush
Tue Apr 18 15:21:39 CDT 2006

Ah grasshopper... You must choose which path you will take through life and
only then will you understand that
it's not the destination, it's the journey that makes it all worth while.

Unless you're going to Vegas, then it's the destination... :)

Look it up for yourself... I had a yahoo tell me that the best way to go
was to get my CNE as that MS networking crap will never catch on... Do some
research and make an educated decision.

I would agree that A+, N+ is a good way to start. If you get through those
and HATE it, you aren't out a ton of money and time.
Also it's a good foundation to move in to the MCSE/CCNA/CNE arena...

Good luck...

"CBIC" <spam.thisbiotch@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:eUziM5lYGHA.1764@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> In news:8C5EE3E2-F698-463B-BBE6-191384624E97@microsoft.com,
> ebnj <ebnj@discussions.microsoft.com> simply stated:
>> whats the difference between CCNA and MCSE? Which route should i take?
>
> You should research the difference for yourself. Only you can decide which
> route to take.
> --
> aka
> Doom MCNGP #38
> Is that a burdizzo in your pocket or are you just glad to see me.
>
>
>

Robert
Tue Apr 18 16:45:31 CDT 2006

ebnj wrote:
> whats the difference between CCNA and MCSE? Which route should i take?

Start with the A+ and Net+, seriously, I know they are 'the basics' but
there is nothing wrong with that - novels tend to read much better if you
start on page one rather than flipping them open halfway through and trying
to figure out who the characters and and what they're doing.

By the time you've got those under your belt you'll know what they are for
yourself. And I don't mean that 'we won't tell you so go away', I mean that
you need to discover what they mean to *you* before you know what path to
take.

Robert
Tue Apr 18 16:46:16 CDT 2006

Frisbee® wrote:
>
> Sigh... nobody listens to me.

*tumbleweeds blow through the newsgroup*