MCSEs Speak Out

hi all.

http://www.winnetmag.com/Article/ArticleID/41392/41392.html


visit that link see what are they talking about?


O.A.
A+, N+, i-Net+, CCNP, MCSE2003

Steve
Mon Aug 30 09:27:51 CDT 2004

The pay depends on where you live. in NY City, a MCSE
makes about $75,000 year. In Orlando that same MCSE makes
$30,000 year. Each with about 3-5 years experience. Don't
move to Florida, the whole state is way below national
average for most occupations. What makes me sick is a
receptionist makes more money in Florida and doesn't know
anything about computers except email and Internet
Explorer when she is bored.


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>http://www.winnetmag.com/Article/ArticleID/41392/41392.ht
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>O.A.
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Rich
Mon Aug 30 09:53:24 CDT 2004

I think that it is going to have to be a two way street
for the MCSE community. The real problem I see is that
the Paper Certs (Which isn't unique to MS) is degrading
those techs that are MCSE. Changes to how the test's are
given might help with this situation. Another possible
solution is to go after those individuals willing to sell
or provide actual test questions. (The MCNGP have a good
start on this)

Ultimately I think that like other Certs the MCSE title
should be delt with just like the CCIE or CNE certs. To
keep them you must update your skills. Far to many
individuals have MCSE's in NT4 or 2K and haven't taken the
steps to move into the latest technology. No one is
saying that those skills are now invalid. It is just a
case of helping clear the muddy waters.

Microsoft should provide a time table on recertification
on the MCSE. Give individuals two years to recertify in
the current technology or loose the title.

With that said I also believe that Microsoft should start
taking responsibilty for there tech community. MCSE's
should be given reduced rates for support calls into MS's
support group. MS should provide a higher level of respect
to the MCSE community with reduced rates on software
purchases. (you want them to keep up with technology give
them a simple way to obtain the software) I don't beleive
any of this is going to hurt Microsoft's budget.

Just my thoughts.

Rich

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>hi all.
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>http://www.winnetmag.com/Article/ArticleID/41392/41392.htm
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>visit that link see what are they talking about?
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>O.A.
>A+, N+, i-Net+, CCNP, MCSE2003
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fygar
Mon Aug 30 11:14:05 CDT 2004

On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 07:53:24 -0700, "Rich"
<anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>
>With that said I also believe that Microsoft should start
>taking responsibilty for there tech community. MCSE's
>should be given reduced rates for support calls into MS's
>support group. MS should provide a higher level of respect
>to the MCSE community with reduced rates on software
>purchases. (you want them to keep up with technology give
>them a simple way to obtain the software) I don't beleive
>any of this is going to hurt Microsoft's budget.
>


Give me a break. If anything the price for MCSE support calls should
increase because if you are an MCSE, you shouldn't be calling in for
help. Otherwise, all the braindumping fools will be calling in at
reduced rates asking the same assinine questions that you see in these
newsgroups. MS doesn't owe the community anything except continuous
improvement to testing integrity.

...butch(earn it)

Rich
Mon Aug 30 11:40:18 CDT 2004

So you are claiming that as an MCSE you should know all
about the product and have the fix ready for the
customer? I am here to tell you that this isn't possible.
I don't care how many years you have in the field. You
don't know everything about the product and things can
happen that you just might need a specialist to assist in
that area.

All I am saying is to make the MCSE community work a
little for what they have. And that Microsoft should bring
a higher level of support to that community. I am a true
believer that without the MCSE community, Microsoft would
have had a harder time up-rooting Novell from its Server
dominance.

Rich
>-----Original Message-----
>On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 07:53:24 -0700, "Rich"
><anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>With that said I also believe that Microsoft should
start
>>taking responsibilty for there tech community. MCSE's
>>should be given reduced rates for support calls into
MS's
>>support group. MS should provide a higher level of
respect
>>to the MCSE community with reduced rates on software
>>purchases. (you want them to keep up with technology
give
>>them a simple way to obtain the software) I don't
beleive
>>any of this is going to hurt Microsoft's budget.
>>
>
>
>Give me a break. If anything the price for MCSE support
calls should
>increase because if you are an MCSE, you shouldn't be
calling in for
>help. Otherwise, all the braindumping fools will be
calling in at
>reduced rates asking the same assinine questions that you
see in these
>newsgroups. MS doesn't owe the community anything except
continuous
>improvement to testing integrity.
>
>....butch(earn it)
>.
>

fygar
Mon Aug 30 12:29:34 CDT 2004

On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:40:18 -0700, "Rich"
<anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>So you are claiming that as an MCSE you should know all
>about the product and have the fix ready for the
>customer? I am here to tell you that this isn't possible.
>I don't care how many years you have in the field. You
>don't know everything about the product and things can
>happen that you just might need a specialist to assist in
>that area.
>
>All I am saying is to make the MCSE community work a
>little for what they have. And that Microsoft should bring
>a higher level of support to that community. I am a true
>believer that without the MCSE community, Microsoft would
>have had a harder time up-rooting Novell from its Server
>dominance.
>


Yes, I am claiming that.

If you are implementing best practices and patching your software and
all the other other simple network management routines, then large
problems are few and far between. Problems beyond a qualified MCSE
will be even more rare. Face it, most IT problems are self inflicted,
and a large portion of the current IT population can't troubleshoot a
network. Why should MS be held responsible for providing cheap
consulting services? They already give away every tool you need to get
the job done.

...butch()

The
Mon Aug 30 13:09:47 CDT 2004

>What makes me sick is a
>receptionist makes more money in Florida and doesn't know
>anything about computers except email and Internet
>Explorer when she is bored.

yeah, but does she spit or swallow?

Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3

The
Mon Aug 30 13:17:27 CDT 2004

>So you are claiming that as an MCSE you should know all
>about the product and have the fix ready for the
>customer?

Yup.

99% of type's of problem have already been encountered before. Even
given the numerous variations of said problems, an experienced person
should be able to resolve (not necessarily solved though a quick Q&A
approach) such problems - this is where experience comes in.....

Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3