MCSE for non-IT professional

Is the MCSE certification strictly for IT Professionals?
How about someone who's fed up with his/her current job
and has a desire to enter the IT field? Is the MCSE a good
way to start?

billyw
Tue Jul 15 11:25:45 CDT 2003

you could use it as a spring board after doing some other studying
and also have a home network of some sort.

that said the market is tough right now...

there are peeps with the certs, the exp, and they can't get a life.. never
mind a job

"Andy" <afma5@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Is the MCSE certification strictly for IT Professionals?
> How about someone who's fed up with his/her current job
> and has a desire to enter the IT field? Is the MCSE a good
> way to start?

Politician
Tue Jul 15 12:31:21 CDT 2003

"Andy" <afma5@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Is the MCSE certification strictly for IT Professionals?
> How about someone who's fed up with his/her current job
> and has a desire to enter the IT field? Is the MCSE a good
> way to start?

If you read Microsoft's website, they say a candidate should have at least a
year of experience. Microsoft does not consider the cert to be an entry
level milestone, though the industry disagrees.

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Popeye
Tue Jul 15 13:30:40 CDT 2003

The MCSE is a good starting point. It will definitely not
assure you a new job as, with most jobs nowadays,
experience counts. What it will give you is an idea of
what is needed to succeed in the IT field. Unfortunately
what you learn today is obsolete tomorrow, so work fast.
the least it will give you is further education, and thats
never a bad thing. There are lots of Jobs out there that
having MCSE knowledge will benefit.

What it will also do, and wrongly so, is make you feel
like you are the cleverest person around (see consultant,
keyboard cowboy, politician spock and others not worthy of
mention). You've no doubt picked that up from being in
these newsgroups. Stay away from here if you want to learn
anything, or join in, it's always good for a laugh!!!



>-----Original Message-----
>Is the MCSE certification strictly for IT Professionals?
>How about someone who's fed up with his/her current job
>and has a desire to enter the IT field? Is the MCSE a
good
>way to start?
>.
>

john63401
Tue Jul 15 13:55:56 CDT 2003

>There are lots of Jobs out there that
>having MCSE knowledge will benefit.

Im curious....

What other jobs would it be of a benefit?

If not IT..... where ===> is <===== the money and
opportunity now days?

Jtyc
Tue Jul 15 14:06:12 CDT 2003

> If not IT..... where ===> is <===== the money and
> opportunity now days?

That's easy. Suing anybody that makes food is where the money is at.

Consultant
Tue Jul 15 15:13:24 CDT 2003

pimpin

but it aint easy


<john63401@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> >There are lots of Jobs out there that
> >having MCSE knowledge will benefit.
>
> Im curious....
>
> What other jobs would it be of a benefit?
>
> If not IT..... where ===> is <===== the money and
> opportunity now days?

john63401
Tue Jul 15 15:43:40 CDT 2003

>Become a Nurse. 65k/year to start in LA

Ive heard that.

Seriously ..... I know the health field is dying for
help right now.

But.... I just don't have that in me.

Other ideas?

Rhenier
Tue Jul 15 15:54:55 CDT 2003

Selling insurance

<john63401@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> >There are lots of Jobs out there that
> >having MCSE knowledge will benefit.
>
> Im curious....
>
> What other jobs would it be of a benefit?
>
> If not IT..... where ===> is <===== the money and
> opportunity now days?

Politician
Tue Jul 15 16:02:39 CDT 2003

<john63401@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> >Become a Nurse. 65k/year to start in LA
>
> Ive heard that.
>
> Seriously ..... I know the health field is dying for
> help right now.
>
> But.... I just don't have that in me.
>
> Other ideas?

A Fast Food Litigation Attorney.

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Consultant
Tue Jul 15 16:01:59 CDT 2003

chippendale dancer?


<john63401@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> >Become a Nurse. 65k/year to start in LA
>
> Ive heard that.
>
> Seriously ..... I know the health field is dying for
> help right now.
>
> But.... I just don't have that in me.
>
> Other ideas?

Keyboard
Tue Jul 15 16:54:39 CDT 2003


>-----Original Message-----
>On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 15:43:40 -0500, john63401@yahoo.com=20
wrote:
>
>>>Become a Nurse. 65k/year to start in LA
>>
>>Ive heard that.
>>
>>Seriously ..... I know the health field is dying for
>>help right now.
>>
>>But.... I just don't have that in me.
>>
>>Other ideas?
>
>
>making legal money isn't easy.
>
>
>****hey fris, is my apostrophe right*****
>.
>

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Gary
Tue Jul 15 17:33:40 CDT 2003

Porn?

<john63401@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> >Become a Nurse. 65k/year to start in LA
>
> Ive heard that.
>
> Seriously ..... I know the health field is dying for
> help right now.
>
> But.... I just don't have that in me.
>
> Other ideas?

bhileman
Wed Jul 16 08:38:55 CDT 2003

"KLXrider" <nojunk@email.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 15:43:40 -0500, john63401@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >>Become a Nurse. 65k/year to start in LA
> >
> >Ive heard that.
> >
> >Seriously ..... I know the health field is dying for
> >help right now.
> >
> >But.... I just don't have that in me.
> >
> >Other ideas?
>
> making legal money isn't easy.
>
> ****hey fris, is my apostrophe right*****

Illegal use of asterisks.


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john63401
Wed Jul 16 09:44:43 CDT 2003

>get out of I.T. and into sales and marketing or business.
>That's where the money has *always* been.

Ive always wondered abt that. Had a gut feeling it is
true.

What abt a combo degree in IT and business?

scroby
Wed Jul 16 13:46:43 CDT 2003

Getting an MCSE in Denver is a guaranteed 65-70k job.

Experience helps, but not always necessary because the
computers here don't break as often as say in Florida or
Chicago.

KLXrider
Wed Jul 16 14:56:46 CDT 2003

On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 11:46:43 -0700, "scroby" <34@we.org> wrote:

>Getting an MCSE in Denver is a guaranteed 65-70k job.

You've been listening to them adds on the radio haven't you.....

john63401
Mon Jul 21 10:02:39 CDT 2003

>get out of I.T. and into sales and marketing or business.
>That's where the money has *always* been.

I realize that the job prospects in the IT industry are
VERY bad now....and that an MCSE doesn't mean a whole
lot.... but to my way of thinking I don't see anything
"wrong" with having IT knowledge as well as maybe other
experience ...... do you?

I mean..... why cant a person be "multi-skiled" now
days? Have IT knowledge and experience but other skill
sets as well?

What's your opinion on the whole IT industry "woes"
right now? And the value of having IT skills and the
MCSE?

Jtyc
Mon Jul 21 13:00:42 CDT 2003

> Please explain Bill. Ok?

I believe he went into business for himself.

billyw
Mon Jul 21 13:12:26 CDT 2003

exactly..

for me the most daunting thing was initial marketing. That reall is
horrible. basically phoning people up and hassling them.

"Jtyc" <yo@respondtothegroup.com> wrote in message
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> > Please explain Bill. Ok?
>
> I believe he went into business for himself.
>
>

Politician
Mon Jul 21 14:07:24 CDT 2003

"billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
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> exactly..
>
> for me the most daunting thing was initial marketing. That reall is
> horrible. basically phoning people up and hassling them.
>

billyw is a telemarketer!?!?! I always knew there was something I didn't
like about that guy!

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Gary
Mon Jul 21 23:55:03 CDT 2003

I want to add him to my "do not call" list ASAP.

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"Politician Spock" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
> news:%23WFwjO7TDHA.2264@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > exactly..
> >
> > for me the most daunting thing was initial marketing. That reall is
> > horrible. basically phoning people up and hassling them.
> >
>
> billyw is a telemarketer!?!?! I always knew there was something I didn't
> like about that guy!
>
> --
> Politician Spock
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>
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rights.
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>

billyw
Tue Jul 22 06:45:56 CDT 2003

actually i added me to your do not call list, so no need to worry there

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> I want to add him to my "do not call" list ASAP.
>
> --
>
> Semper Fi & God Bless America,
>
> Gary-US MCNGP #20 & retired Jarhead
>
> http://www.mcngp.tk
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>
> "Politician Spock" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:%231EoTs7TDHA.1724@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > "billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
> > news:%23WFwjO7TDHA.2264@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > > exactly..
> > >
> > > for me the most daunting thing was initial marketing. That reall is
> > > horrible. basically phoning people up and hassling them.
> > >
> >
> > billyw is a telemarketer!?!?! I always knew there was something I didn't
> > like about that guy!
> >
> > --
> > Politician Spock
> > MCSA, CCEA, MCNGP #15
> > The MCNGP Team - We're here to help
> >
> > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights.
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> > understand logic, ambiguous references, sarcasm, the imaginary gnomes
> > living in my garden, or William Shatner's acting.
> > © 2003 Star Trek Federation. All rights reserved.
> >
>
>

Gary
Tue Jul 22 16:26:27 CDT 2003

haha....cool....thanks dude.

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"billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
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> actually i added me to your do not call list, so no need to worry there
>
> "Gary - US" <gary_kcmo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:OaWZB1AUDHA.2220@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > I want to add him to my "do not call" list ASAP.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Semper Fi & God Bless America,
> >
> > Gary-US MCNGP #20 & retired Jarhead
> >
> > http://www.mcngp.tk
> > The MCNGP Team - We're here to help
> > ** Kindly Do The Needful **
> >
> > "Politician Spock" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:%231EoTs7TDHA.1724@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > > "billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
> > > news:%23WFwjO7TDHA.2264@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > > > exactly..
> > > >
> > > > for me the most daunting thing was initial marketing. That reall is
> > > > horrible. basically phoning people up and hassling them.
> > > >
> > >
> > > billyw is a telemarketer!?!?! I always knew there was something I
didn't
> > > like about that guy!
> > >
> > > --
> > > Politician Spock
> > > MCSA, CCEA, MCNGP #15
> > > The MCNGP Team - We're here to help
> > >
> > > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> > rights.
> > > You assume all risk for your use. Not responsible for your inability
to
> > > understand logic, ambiguous references, sarcasm, the imaginary gnomes
> > > living in my garden, or William Shatner's acting.
> > > © 2003 Star Trek Federation. All rights reserved.
> > >
> >
> >
>
>