MCSE Windows 2000 - Will it be phased out?

Hi all,

I would like to go for MCSE Certification but now that MCSE is available for
Windows Server 2003 will the 2000 track be phased out if so when?

Many thanks in advance

Matt U.K.

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Rob
Wed Sep 14 07:55:28 CDT 2005

Hi.

First, thanks for all the hardware info. I needed to know that you were
using a 3C905CX-TX-NM.

Next, of course the 2000 track will be phased out, it only stands to reason:
They don't offer TRS-80 training in a lot of places these days, and
Commodore 64 6502 assembly language is no longer a marketable commodity (or
should I put that on my resume?). So, yes, eventually there will no longer
be Windows 2000 certification.

Now, someone else can answer the 'when' part, or maybe what follows will...

It's probably best to become certified on the most recent version of any
particular computer product. Given that Microsoft is producing a new version
of their OS to be available next year, and that OS is supposed to be the
'long term solution we've been waiting for', unless you or your employer
have an immediate need, you might want to wait for that particular track.

MCSB MCNGP #46 MCNGP.COM WHERE THE OBVIOUS IS JUST THE BEGINNING



"Matt U.K." <mm_lewis@_No_SpAm_hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:z8idneChXOEhi7XeRVnytw@pipex.net...
> Hi all,
>
> I would like to go for MCSE Certification but now that MCSE is available
> for Windows Server 2003 will the 2000 track be phased out if so when?
>
> Many thanks in advance
>
> Matt U.K.
>
> --
> Machine Spec:-
>
> Motherboard: AOpen 'AX4R Plus' Intel E7205 Chipset (Granite Bay).
> Processor: Intel 'Pentium 4 3.06B' (Northwood,533 FSB) Socket 478.
> Memory: 1GB 'Crucial' PC2100 DDR.
> DVD Writer: 'LG' 4163B.
> DVD-ROM: 'Pioneer' DVD-106S.
> Hardrive(s):
> X2 Western Digital Caviar 80GB 'Special Edition' 8MB Cache 7200 rpm Ultra
> ATA/100,
> Sound Card: Creative 'Audigy 2'.
> Graphics card:
> 'XFX GeForce 6600GT' 128MB DDR3 TV-OUT/Dual DVI (AGP).
> Monitor: 17" Samsung 'SyncMaster 700 IFT'.
> Keyboard: Windows 125 'AnyKey' Keyboard.
> Mouse: MS 'Intellimouse Explorer' 3.0 USB.
> Operating System : Windows XP (SP2).
> DSL Connectivity: SpeedTouch 510 v4 - 4 - Port ADSL Router (10/100Base-T
> Ethernet switch).
> 3COM 10/100 (PCI) Network Interface Card (3C905CX-TX-NM).
> ISP: PIPEX 'Solo 2000' (2Mbps).

Matt
Wed Sep 14 08:08:02 CDT 2005

Your comments are about as much use as a chocolate teapot!

Matt U.K.

"Rob Lindman" <@> wrote in message
news:utJeAuSuFHA.3720@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Hi.
>
> First, thanks for all the hardware info. I needed to know that you were
> using a 3C905CX-TX-NM.
>
> Next, of course the 2000 track will be phased out, it only stands to
> reason: They don't offer TRS-80 training in a lot of places these days,
> and Commodore 64 6502 assembly language is no longer a marketable
> commodity (or should I put that on my resume?). So, yes, eventually there
> will no longer be Windows 2000 certification.
>
> Now, someone else can answer the 'when' part, or maybe what follows
> will...
>
> It's probably best to become certified on the most recent version of any
> particular computer product. Given that Microsoft is producing a new
> version of their OS to be available next year, and that OS is supposed to
> be the 'long term solution we've been waiting for', unless you or your
> employer have an immediate need, you might want to wait for that
> particular track.
>
> MCSB MCNGP #46 MCNGP.COM WHERE THE OBVIOUS IS JUST THE BEGINNING
>
>
>
> "Matt U.K." <mm_lewis@_No_SpAm_hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:z8idneChXOEhi7XeRVnytw@pipex.net...
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I would like to go for MCSE Certification but now that MCSE is available
>> for Windows Server 2003 will the 2000 track be phased out if so when?
>>
>> Many thanks in advance
>>
>> Matt U.K.
>>
>> --
>> Machine Spec:-
>>
>> Motherboard: AOpen 'AX4R Plus' Intel E7205 Chipset (Granite Bay).
>> Processor: Intel 'Pentium 4 3.06B' (Northwood,533 FSB) Socket 478.
>> Memory: 1GB 'Crucial' PC2100 DDR.
>> DVD Writer: 'LG' 4163B.
>> DVD-ROM: 'Pioneer' DVD-106S.
>> Hardrive(s):
>> X2 Western Digital Caviar 80GB 'Special Edition' 8MB Cache 7200 rpm Ultra
>> ATA/100,
>> Sound Card: Creative 'Audigy 2'.
>> Graphics card:
>> 'XFX GeForce 6600GT' 128MB DDR3 TV-OUT/Dual DVI (AGP).
>> Monitor: 17" Samsung 'SyncMaster 700 IFT'.
>> Keyboard: Windows 125 'AnyKey' Keyboard.
>> Mouse: MS 'Intellimouse Explorer' 3.0 USB.
>> Operating System : Windows XP (SP2).
>> DSL Connectivity: SpeedTouch 510 v4 - 4 - Port ADSL Router (10/100Base-T
>> Ethernet switch).
>> 3COM 10/100 (PCI) Network Interface Card (3C905CX-TX-NM).
>> ISP: PIPEX 'Solo 2000' (2Mbps).
>
>

Frisbee®
Wed Sep 14 08:17:18 CDT 2005

"Matt U.K." <mm_lewis@_No_SpAm_hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ec2dnWAgnd8vvbXeRVnytQ@pipex.net...
> Your comments are about as much use as a chocolate teapot!

Mmmmm.... chocolate.

Neil
Wed Sep 14 08:20:51 CDT 2005

Matt U.K. wrote:
> Your comments are about as much use as a chocolate teapot!
>
> Matt U.K.
>
> "Rob Lindman" <@> wrote in message
> news:utJeAuSuFHA.3720@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> Hi.
>>
>> First, thanks for all the hardware info. I needed to know that you
>> were using a 3C905CX-TX-NM.
>>
>> Next, of course the 2000 track will be phased out, it only stands to
>> reason: They don't offer TRS-80 training in a lot of places these
>> days, and Commodore 64 6502 assembly language is no longer a
>> marketable commodity (or should I put that on my resume?). So, yes,
>> eventually there will no longer be Windows 2000 certification.
>>
>> Now, someone else can answer the 'when' part, or maybe what follows
>> will...
>>
>> It's probably best to become certified on the most recent version of
>> any particular computer product. Given that Microsoft is producing a
>> new version of their OS to be available next year, and that OS is
>> supposed to be the 'long term solution we've been waiting for',
>> unless you or your employer have an immediate need, you might want
>> to wait for that particular track.
>>
>> MCSB MCNGP #46 MCNGP.COM WHERE THE OBVIOUS IS JUST THE BEGINNING
>>
>>
>>
>> "Matt U.K." <mm_lewis@_No_SpAm_hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:z8idneChXOEhi7XeRVnytw@pipex.net...
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I would like to go for MCSE Certification but now that MCSE is
>>> available for Windows Server 2003 will the 2000 track be phased out
>>> if so when? Many thanks in advance
>>>


What an ungrateful twat. Don't you like having the obvious pointed out to
you then? Or was it cos he took the piss out of your hardware info <smirk>?

--
Regards
Neil

Jim
Wed Sep 14 08:22:22 CDT 2005

I agree with all that, except I would suggest going for the 2000 first. I
only have about a year's sysadmin experience and am fairly fresh out of
school. I am theorizing that ignorant HR Trolls will be dumb enough to
think that someone with the new certification and the older certification
has more industry experience than the young person only with a 2003
(eventhough the resume only has about a year of experience listed). Not
sure if that made any sense. Anyway, I have two exams left to finsih my
2000 before I look at the upgrade exams. I have been lazy trying to finish
it off since I have a job.

Briscobar
Wed Sep 14 08:26:45 CDT 2005

Rob Lindman <@> rambled:
>
> It's probably best to become certified on the most recent version of
> any particular computer product. Given that Microsoft is producing a
> new version of their OS to be available next year, and that OS is
> supposed to be the 'long term solution we've been waiting for',
> unless you or your employer have an immediate need, you might want to
> wait for that particular track.

I don't know about this part. It may not be "best", but it could be more
productive in the long run. However, that totally depends on your employer,
and if they're upgrading to the newest version of Windows. One may make
him/herself marketable sooner if he/she passes exams with an older
technology (say, Windows 2000), if he/she knows that product better. All the
exams I've passed are Windows 2000 exams, but we use XP here, and we'll be
upgrading to Server 2003 by the end of the year. And despite this, my job is
secure, and I know that they're not going to hire anyone to replace me just
because he/she is MCSE 2003.

There's something to be said for knowing "legacy" products, as Windows 2000
is coming to be known. Commodore 64 assembly language might be pushing it,
but recent technology that is just now beginning to slide out of favor can
still be quite lucrative. I know of more companies still running Windows
2000 Server than those running Windows Server 2003. This may change within
the next couple years, but by then, Vista will be out, with its desktop and
server versions, and we'll be discussing this all over again. So, does it
really matter? As long as companies keep pumping out imperfect software and
operating systems, and customers' needs keep changing, we're stuck in this
loop.

So, to the OP, my answer is "Get your MCSE." 2000, 2003, it doesn't much
matter, but I'd stick with the one you know best.

--
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outsourced.

Rob
Wed Sep 14 08:34:27 CDT 2005

We're here to help.

"Matt U.K." <mm_lewis@_No_SpAm_hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ec2dnWAgnd8vvbXeRVnytQ@pipex.net...
> Your comments are about as much use as a chocolate teapot!
>
> Matt U.K.
>
> "Rob Lindman" <@> wrote in message
> news:utJeAuSuFHA.3720@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> Hi.
>>
>> First, thanks for all the hardware info. I needed to know that you were
>> using a 3C905CX-TX-NM.
>>
>> Next, of course the 2000 track will be phased out, it only stands to
>> reason: They don't offer TRS-80 training in a lot of places these days,
>> and Commodore 64 6502 assembly language is no longer a marketable
>> commodity (or should I put that on my resume?). So, yes, eventually there
>> will no longer be Windows 2000 certification.
>>
>> Now, someone else can answer the 'when' part, or maybe what follows
>> will...
>>
>> It's probably best to become certified on the most recent version of any
>> particular computer product. Given that Microsoft is producing a new
>> version of their OS to be available next year, and that OS is supposed to
>> be the 'long term solution we've been waiting for', unless you or your
>> employer have an immediate need, you might want to wait for that
>> particular track.
>>
>> MCSB MCNGP #46 MCNGP.COM WHERE THE OBVIOUS IS JUST THE BEGINNING
>>
>>
>>
>> "Matt U.K." <mm_lewis@_No_SpAm_hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:z8idneChXOEhi7XeRVnytw@pipex.net...
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I would like to go for MCSE Certification but now that MCSE is available
>>> for Windows Server 2003 will the 2000 track be phased out if so when?
>>>
>>> Many thanks in advance
>>>
>>> Matt U.K.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Machine Spec:-
>>>
>>> Motherboard: AOpen 'AX4R Plus' Intel E7205 Chipset (Granite Bay).
>>> Processor: Intel 'Pentium 4 3.06B' (Northwood,533 FSB) Socket 478.
>>> Memory: 1GB 'Crucial' PC2100 DDR.
>>> DVD Writer: 'LG' 4163B.
>>> DVD-ROM: 'Pioneer' DVD-106S.
>>> Hardrive(s):
>>> X2 Western Digital Caviar 80GB 'Special Edition' 8MB Cache 7200 rpm
>>> Ultra ATA/100,
>>> Sound Card: Creative 'Audigy 2'.
>>> Graphics card:
>>> 'XFX GeForce 6600GT' 128MB DDR3 TV-OUT/Dual DVI (AGP).
>>> Monitor: 17" Samsung 'SyncMaster 700 IFT'.
>>> Keyboard: Windows 125 'AnyKey' Keyboard.
>>> Mouse: MS 'Intellimouse Explorer' 3.0 USB.
>>> Operating System : Windows XP (SP2).
>>> DSL Connectivity: SpeedTouch 510 v4 - 4 - Port ADSL Router (10/100Base-T
>>> Ethernet switch).
>>> 3COM 10/100 (PCI) Network Interface Card (3C905CX-TX-NM).
>>> ISP: PIPEX 'Solo 2000' (2Mbps).
>>
>>
>
>

Rob
Wed Sep 14 08:35:32 CDT 2005

Point well made.

"Jim" <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote in message
news:OAqQZ9SuFHA.1032@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>I agree with all that, except I would suggest going for the 2000 first. I
>only have about a year's sysadmin experience and am fairly fresh out of
>school. I am theorizing that ignorant HR Trolls will be dumb enough to
>think that someone with the new certification and the older certification
>has more industry experience than the young person only with a 2003
>(eventhough the resume only has about a year of experience listed). Not
>sure if that made any sense. Anyway, I have two exams left to finsih my
>2000 before I look at the upgrade exams. I have been lazy trying to finish
>it off since I have a job.
>

Rob
Wed Sep 14 08:40:06 CDT 2005

"Briscobar" <youcant@sendmespam.com> wrote in message
news:uDDpR$SuFHA.3500@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Rob Lindman <@> rambled:
>>
>> It's probably best to become certified on the most recent version of
>> any particular computer product. Given that Microsoft is producing a
>> new version of their OS to be available next year, and that OS is
>> supposed to be the 'long term solution we've been waiting for',
>> unless you or your employer have an immediate need, you might want to
>> wait for that particular track.
>
> I don't know about this part. It may not be "best", but it could be more
> productive in the long run.

I love the word "probably", and the word "might". It's probably best to use
words like "may not be" and "could be", but it might not be.

> However, that totally depends on your employer,
> and if they're upgrading to the newest version of Windows. One may make
> him/herself marketable sooner if he/she passes exams with an older
> technology (say, Windows 2000), if he/she knows that product better. All
> the
> exams I've passed are Windows 2000 exams, but we use XP here, and we'll be
> upgrading to Server 2003 by the end of the year. And despite this, my job
> is
> secure, and I know that they're not going to hire anyone to replace me
> just
> because he/she is MCSE 2003.

You're probably right, if one passes the exam they may know that product
better.

> There's something to be said for knowing "legacy" products, as Windows
> 2000
> is coming to be known.

http://legacy.newdoom.com/

> So, to the OP, my answer is "Get your MCSE." 2000, 2003, it doesn't much
> matter, but I'd stick with the one you know best.

Ok. That's good advice.

Rob
Wed Sep 14 08:41:06 CDT 2005


"Frisbee®" <billLASTINIT@dasi-software.com> wrote in message
news:OvmKr7SuFHA.2848@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> "Matt U.K." <mm_lewis@_No_SpAm_hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ec2dnWAgnd8vvbXeRVnytQ@pipex.net...
>> Your comments are about as much use as a chocolate teapot!
>
> Mmmmm.... chocolate.

GMTA

Briscobar
Wed Sep 14 08:48:19 CDT 2005

Rob Lindman <@> rambled:.
>
> I love the word "probably", and the word "might". It's probably best
> to use words like "may not be" and "could be", but it might not be.

Is this what goes on in your head all the time?

--
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Matt
Wed Sep 14 08:58:41 CDT 2005

Hi,

I've asked a simple question, I expected a "helpful" answer without the
"smart" comments. Perhaps I should have said "when" instead of "will" my
error. I'm going to assume that the Windows 2000 track "could" end this
year or the next. when Windows Vista will be released.

But, what's with comment about my hardware? The detailed sig file is there
for a reason this is not the only newsgroup that I read (thank God!).

And the insult (Neil), what up with that! This pc is an older machine used
mainly for gaming. I have a Win XP Pro 64 bit (water-cooled) pc waiting in
the wings (just waiting for the Intel P4 670 processor to drop in price).

Jim,

Thanks for your comment, good luck with your remaining exams.

I thought this newsgroup was to "help people" not insult them. I do hope
this is not the "norm" on here.

Cheers anyway

Matt U.K.

p.s.

I'm going to tell Bill that Neil was mean to me. LOL


"Jim" <xxxx@xxxxxx.xxx> wrote in message
news:OAqQZ9SuFHA.1032@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>I agree with all that, except I would suggest going for the 2000 first. I
>only have about a year's sysadmin experience and am fairly fresh out of
>school. I am theorizing that ignorant HR Trolls will be dumb enough to
>think that someone with the new certification and the older certification
>has more industry experience than the young person only with a 2003
>(eventhough the resume only has about a year of experience listed). Not
>sure if that made any sense. Anyway, I have two exams left to finsih my
>2000 before I look at the upgrade exams. I have been lazy trying to finish
>it off since I have a job.
>

Rob
Wed Sep 14 08:59:20 CDT 2005

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Jim
Wed Sep 14 09:05:33 CDT 2005


> I thought this newsgroup was to "help people" not insult them. I do hope
> this is not the "norm" on here.

Why can't you do both?

Rob
Wed Sep 14 09:18:10 CDT 2005

"Matt U.K." <mm_lewis@_No_SpAm_hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Gvidne3MfqwMsbXeRVnyrA@pipex.net...
> I've asked a simple question, I expected a "helpful" answer without the
> "smart" comments. Perhaps I should have said "when" instead of "will" my
> error. I'm going to assume that the Windows 2000 track "could" end this
> year or the next. when Windows Vista will be released.

> But, what's with comment about my hardware? The detailed sig file is
> there for a reason this is not the only newsgroup that I read (thank
> God!).

Life is not what you expect, it's what you get. And you get what you pay
for. And time is money. And now, you've wasted my time. Ergo, you owe me
money, and I'm sending you a bill. Where do I send it? Who is to blame for
this mess?

Now, "Mr. Expectations and Demands", the people in this group "expected"
questions about the MCSE exam from YOU without a lot of "smart" information
about your hardware. That stuff goes in the OTHER group and we are OFFENDED
that you had the NERVE to post it here just because you were too LAZY to
remove it before you came here.

The people in this group "expected" you to think your question through
before you asked it.

And furthermore, what about MY wants and MY needs?

I am not here to live up to your expectations, I'm here to disappoint you,
just like every other imperfect human being, and to serve the ruler of the
world, Jtyc. I can choose to be helpful or not. I have free "will". I am the
Prince of Zumunda! I renounce my throne!

> And the insult (Neil), what up with that! This pc is an older machine
> used mainly for gaming. I have a Win XP Pro 64 bit (water-cooled) pc
> waiting in the wings (just waiting for the Intel P4 670 processor to drop
> in price).

To misquote the "Neurologically Enhanced Intelligent Lambada", "every action
causes an equal and opposite criticism".

> I thought this newsgroup was to "help people" not insult them. I do hope
> this is not the "norm" on here.

And since this group is designed to "help people" and not insult them, you'd
better apologize to all of us, because not only did you cause us trouble by
not thinking before you asked your question, you insulted us by saying our
answers were "as helpful as a chocolate teapot"!

Welcome to THE REAL WORLD, dominated by Jtyc, HE who triumphantly stands on
his desk and raises his arms in the air, where we aren't as perfect as you,
Mr. "Will It Still Be 2000 In 2025?".

> I'm going to tell Bill that Neil was mean to me. LOL

I'm going to tell Bill that you were mean to Neil, and to me, and that you
didn't live up to OUR expectations.

Plus, to add insult after injury, you had Righteous Indignation in defense
of a position totally in the wrong!

Geez, I hope the next person who comes in here to ask questions is someone
who knows how to be APPRECIATIVE, and ask intelligent questions that are
direct and to the point, and offers PRAISE to those who TRY to help. Why do
we always wind up with these people who are never satisfied with an answer?
People should learn to be grateful for the inadequate help we provide around
here!

MCSB MCNGP #46 MCNGP.COM WHERE THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A STUPID QUESTION
(unless someone else asks it)

T-Bone
Wed Sep 14 09:31:24 CDT 2005

"Matt U.K." <mm_lewis@_No_SpAm_hotmail.com> wrote
> I would like to go for MCSE Certification but now that MCSE is available
for
> Windows Server 2003 will the 2000 track be phased out if so when?

The short answer would be "ask MS". IOW, we don't know.

As for other's comments. You have to realize that MCSE is a professional
designation intended for experienced IT professionals. You come here asking
a question without even checking the MS website first, because if you did
you would have noticed that MCSE2003 has been around for a while. Part of
being an IT professional is being able to do your own research.

Second, the sig line smacks of newbieism. Its the kind of thing that
teenagers post in the web boards to impress everyone else with their
hardware. One of the cardnial rules of usenet is "lurk before you post". If
you had done that, you would have seen the style others use to post.

HTH HAND
--
T-Bone
MCNGP XL

Jtyc
Wed Sep 14 10:14:20 CDT 2005

> I would like to go for MCSE Certification but now that MCSE is available
for
> Windows Server 2003 will the 2000 track be phased out if so when?

Only Microsoft knows when they will retire the exam. If you think you can
pass the tests now with the knowledge you have, take them. If you are going
to have to study, I would just go straight to 2003 myself.


Jtyc
------

Predator 500
White Brothers pipe
K&N filter
13T front sprocket

Matt
Wed Sep 14 10:41:56 CDT 2005

Dear Bone-Head,

I found the answer

"The MCSE is currently available for two different products, Windows 2000
(to be phased out by 2005) and Windows Server 2003."

Link:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MCSE

Yes, I did check the web site before coming here for help. Yes I did know
that MCSE 2003 had been around for a while. Research, what's that! LOL

The detailed sig file is to pre-empt people asking what rig am I running, no
other reason. If I wanted to impress people I'd build a rig running TWO
'XFX GeForce 7800 GTX Extreme Editions (490/1300) 256MB GDDR3' in SLI mode
and a 'Intel Pentium 4 3.73 Extreme Edition' with a couple of Raptors (RAID
0) and gigs of ram.

Usenet, now there's a word I have not heard in a while. I do "scan" a
newsgroup before posting.

Anyway, enough of this I have some studying to do.

bye for now

Matt U.K.


"T-Bone" <reply2me@thenewsgroup> wrote in message
news:uMUBjjTuFHA.2540@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> "Matt U.K." <mm_lewis@_No_SpAm_hotmail.com> wrote
>> I would like to go for MCSE Certification but now that MCSE is available
> for
>> Windows Server 2003 will the 2000 track be phased out if so when?
>
> The short answer would be "ask MS". IOW, we don't know.
>
> As for other's comments. You have to realize that MCSE is a professional
> designation intended for experienced IT professionals. You come here
> asking
> a question without even checking the MS website first, because if you did
> you would have noticed that MCSE2003 has been around for a while. Part of
> being an IT professional is being able to do your own research.
>
> Second, the sig line smacks of newbieism. Its the kind of thing that
> teenagers post in the web boards to impress everyone else with their
> hardware. One of the cardnial rules of usenet is "lurk before you post".
> If
> you had done that, you would have seen the style others use to post.
>
> HTH HAND
> --
> T-Bone
> MCNGP XL
>
>

Matt
Wed Sep 14 10:44:45 CDT 2005

Rob,

Geez you do go on and on and on ........... yawn zzzzzzzzzzzz

Matt U.K.

"Rob Lindman" <@> wrote in message
news:O7c3NcTuFHA.1472@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> "Matt U.K." <mm_lewis@_No_SpAm_hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Gvidne3MfqwMsbXeRVnyrA@pipex.net...
>> I've asked a simple question, I expected a "helpful" answer without the
>> "smart" comments. Perhaps I should have said "when" instead of "will" my
>> error. I'm going to assume that the Windows 2000 track "could" end this
>> year or the next. when Windows Vista will be released.
>
>> But, what's with comment about my hardware? The detailed sig file is
>> there for a reason this is not the only newsgroup that I read (thank
>> God!).
>
> Life is not what you expect, it's what you get. And you get what you pay
> for. And time is money. And now, you've wasted my time. Ergo, you owe me
> money, and I'm sending you a bill. Where do I send it? Who is to blame for
> this mess?
>
> Now, "Mr. Expectations and Demands", the people in this group "expected"
> questions about the MCSE exam from YOU without a lot of "smart"
> information about your hardware. That stuff goes in the OTHER group and we
> are OFFENDED that you had the NERVE to post it here just because you were
> too LAZY to remove it before you came here.
>
> The people in this group "expected" you to think your question through
> before you asked it.
>
> And furthermore, what about MY wants and MY needs?
>
> I am not here to live up to your expectations, I'm here to disappoint you,
> just like every other imperfect human being, and to serve the ruler of the
> world, Jtyc. I can choose to be helpful or not. I have free "will". I am
> the Prince of Zumunda! I renounce my throne!
>
>> And the insult (Neil), what up with that! This pc is an older machine
>> used mainly for gaming. I have a Win XP Pro 64 bit (water-cooled) pc
>> waiting in the wings (just waiting for the Intel P4 670 processor to drop
>> in price).
>
> To misquote the "Neurologically Enhanced Intelligent Lambada", "every
> action causes an equal and opposite criticism".
>
>> I thought this newsgroup was to "help people" not insult them. I do hope
>> this is not the "norm" on here.
>
> And since this group is designed to "help people" and not insult them,
> you'd better apologize to all of us, because not only did you cause us
> trouble by not thinking before you asked your question, you insulted us by
> saying our answers were "as helpful as a chocolate teapot"!
>
> Welcome to THE REAL WORLD, dominated by Jtyc, HE who triumphantly stands
> on his desk and raises his arms in the air, where we aren't as perfect as
> you, Mr. "Will It Still Be 2000 In 2025?".
>
>> I'm going to tell Bill that Neil was mean to me. LOL
>
> I'm going to tell Bill that you were mean to Neil, and to me, and that you
> didn't live up to OUR expectations.
>
> Plus, to add insult after injury, you had Righteous Indignation in defense
> of a position totally in the wrong!
>
> Geez, I hope the next person who comes in here to ask questions is someone
> who knows how to be APPRECIATIVE, and ask intelligent questions that are
> direct and to the point, and offers PRAISE to those who TRY to help. Why
> do we always wind up with these people who are never satisfied with an
> answer? People should learn to be grateful for the inadequate help we
> provide around here!
>
> MCSB MCNGP #46 MCNGP.COM WHERE THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A STUPID QUESTION
> (unless someone else asks it)
>
>
>

Jim
Wed Sep 14 10:48:31 CDT 2005

Windows 2000 has been phased out (June 2005). That doesn't mean that MCSE
2000 has too.

MitchS
Wed Sep 14 10:54:36 CDT 2005

"Matt U.K." <mm_lewis@_No_SpAm_hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:p_6dnYkQxP7w2LXeRVnyvw@pipex.net...
> Rob,
>
> Geez you do go on and on and on ........... yawn zzzzzzzzzzzz

Uh, that would be ***YAWN*** sir. And please learn to snip. Thanks, OK
Bye.
--
Mitch "yer such a Jameshole" S.
MCSA, A+, Net+, CCNA

Briscobar
Wed Sep 14 10:56:49 CDT 2005

Matt U.K. <mm_lewis@_No_SpAm_hotmail.com> rambled:
>
> Dear Bone-Head,
>
> I found the answer
>
> "The MCSE is currently available for two different products, Windows
> 2000 (to be phased out by 2005) and Windows Server 2003."
>
> Link:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MCSE

Windows 2000's life ended a couple months ago, I believe. However, that does
not mean that MS has discontinued tests on Windows 2000.

--
KB

MCNGP #26
www.mcngp.com once made out with it's sister.

T-Bone
Wed Sep 14 11:07:05 CDT 2005

"Matt U.K." <mm_lewis@_No_SpAm_hotmail.com> wrote
> "The MCSE is currently available for two different products, Windows 2000
> (to be phased out by 2005) and Windows Server 2003."
>
> Link:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MCSE

Hmm, lets see what else they have to say about MCSE:

"Many critics hold the MCSE qualification in very low esteem, and cynically
refer to MCSE as "Must Consult Someone Experienced", or "Minesweeper
Consultant and Solitaire Expert"."

You can't believe everything you read on the web. According to Microsoft:
"There are currently no exams scheduled for retirement"

http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcpexams/status/examstoretire.asp

> Yes, I did check the web site before coming here for help. Yes I did know
> that MCSE 2003 had been around for a while.
Then you should have said so. The way you worded your question, it sounded
like you hadn't checked first.

> The detailed sig file is to pre-empt people asking what rig am I running,
no
> other reason.
Again, usenet/newsgroup etiquette says at the very least your sig should not
be longer than your post. We don't need to know that information anyway, so
you can leave it out.

> Anyway, enough of this I have some studying to do.
Good for you. Do feel free to come back again if you have questions, just
make sure you are clear in your post on what you have already done.
--
T-Bone
MCNGP XL

JaR
Wed Sep 14 11:08:19 CDT 2005

In microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse, Matt U.K. spewed across the ether:

> Machine Spec:-
>
> Motherboard: AOpen 'AX4R Plus' Intel E7205 Chipset (Granite Bay).
> Processor: Intel 'Pentium 4 3.06B' (Northwood,533 FSB) Socket 478.
> Memory: 1GB 'Crucial' PC2100 DDR.
> DVD Writer: 'LG' 4163B.
> DVD-ROM: 'Pioneer' DVD-106S.
> Hardrive(s):
> X2 Western Digital Caviar 80GB 'Special Edition' 8MB Cache 7200 rpm
> Ultra ATA/100,
> Sound Card: Creative 'Audigy 2'.
> Graphics card:
> 'XFX GeForce 6600GT' 128MB DDR3 TV-OUT/Dual DVI (AGP).
> Monitor: 17" Samsung 'SyncMaster 700 IFT'.
> Keyboard: Windows 125 'AnyKey' Keyboard.
> Mouse: MS 'Intellimouse Explorer' 3.0 USB.
> Operating System : Windows XP (SP2).
> DSL Connectivity: SpeedTouch 510 v4 - 4 - Port ADSL Router
> (10/100Base-T Ethernet switch).
> 3COM 10/100 (PCI) Network Interface Card (3C905CX-TX-NM).
> ISP: PIPEX 'Solo 2000' (2Mbps).

Thanks for sharing.

I have a Buick.

--
JaR
Thug 10110
MCNGP.com

Frisbee®
Wed Sep 14 11:08:06 CDT 2005

"Matt U.K." <mm_lewis@_No_SpAm_hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:zN-dnQogEq1Z2bXeRVnysg@pipex.net...

> The detailed sig file is to pre-empt people asking what rig am I running,
> no other reason. If I wanted to impress people I'd build a rig running
> TWO 'XFX GeForce 7800 GTX Extreme Editions (490/1300) 256MB GDDR3' in SLI
> mode and a 'Intel Pentium 4 3.73 Extreme Edition' with a couple of Raptors
> (RAID 0) and gigs of ram.

Thanks for the heads-up on that one! I shall modify my sig post-haste!

--
Fris "New, Improved Sig v2.0!" bee®, MCNGP #13

The MCNGP Team - We're here to help!

http://www.mcngp.com

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/certaholics

My Equipment: Discraft Cyclone II, Blue, 171 grams.

JaR
Wed Sep 14 11:13:36 CDT 2005

In microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse, Matt U.K. spewed across the ether:

> Geez you do go on and on and on ........... yawn zzzzzzzzzzzz

And yet you read it. Consider that your penance for your ungrateful
attitude, untrimmed sig, and unresearched question.

--
JaR
Thug 10110
MCNGP.com

JaR
Wed Sep 14 11:21:31 CDT 2005

In microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse, Matt U.K. spewed across the ether:

> Usenet, now there's a word I have not heard.

IFYPFY.

> I do "scan" a newsgroup before posting.

With about the same level of attention with which you do research,
apparently.

--
JaR
Thug 10110
MCNGP.com

Rob
Wed Sep 14 11:43:58 CDT 2005

I expected you to say that.

"Matt U.K." <mm_lewis@_No_SpAm_hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:p_6dnYkQxP7w2LXeRVnyvw@pipex.net...
> Rob,
>
> Geez you do go on and on and on ........... yawn zzzzzzzzzzzz
>
> Matt U.K.
>
> "Rob Lindman" <@> wrote in message
> news:O7c3NcTuFHA.1472@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>> "Matt U.K." <mm_lewis@_No_SpAm_hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:Gvidne3MfqwMsbXeRVnyrA@pipex.net...
>>> I've asked a simple question, I expected a "helpful" answer without the
>>> "smart" comments. Perhaps I should have said "when" instead of "will"
>>> my error. I'm going to assume that the Windows 2000 track "could" end
>>> this year or the next. when Windows Vista will be released.
>>
>>> But, what's with comment about my hardware? The detailed sig file is
>>> there for a reason this is not the only newsgroup that I read (thank
>>> God!).
>>
>> Life is not what you expect, it's what you get. And you get what you pay
>> for. And time is money. And now, you've wasted my time. Ergo, you owe me
>> money, and I'm sending you a bill. Where do I send it? Who is to blame
>> for this mess?
>>
>> Now, "Mr. Expectations and Demands", the people in this group "expected"
>> questions about the MCSE exam from YOU without a lot of "smart"
>> information about your hardware. That stuff goes in the OTHER group and
>> we are OFFENDED that you had the NERVE to post it here just because you
>> were too LAZY to remove it before you came here.
>>
>> The people in this group "expected" you to think your question through
>> before you asked it.
>>
>> And furthermore, what about MY wants and MY needs?
>>
>> I am not here to live up to your expectations, I'm here to disappoint
>> you, just like every other imperfect human being, and to serve the ruler
>> of the world, Jtyc. I can choose to be helpful or not. I have free
>> "will". I am the Prince of Zumunda! I renounce my throne!
>>
>>> And the insult (Neil), what up with that! This pc is an older machine
>>> used mainly for gaming. I have a Win XP Pro 64 bit (water-cooled) pc
>>> waiting in the wings (just waiting for the Intel P4 670 processor to
>>> drop in price).
>>
>> To misquote the "Neurologically Enhanced Intelligent Lambada", "every
>> action causes an equal and opposite criticism".
>>
>>> I thought this newsgroup was to "help people" not insult them. I do
>>> hope this is not the "norm" on here.
>>
>> And since this group is designed to "help people" and not insult them,
>> you'd better apologize to all of us, because not only did you cause us
>> trouble by not thinking before you asked your question, you insulted us
>> by saying our answers were "as helpful as a chocolate teapot"!
>>
>> Welcome to THE REAL WORLD, dominated by Jtyc, HE who triumphantly stands
>> on his desk and raises his arms in the air, where we aren't as perfect as
>> you, Mr. "Will It Still Be 2000 In 2025?".
>>
>>> I'm going to tell Bill that Neil was mean to me. LOL
>>
>> I'm going to tell Bill that you were mean to Neil, and to me, and that
>> you didn't live up to OUR expectations.
>>
>> Plus, to add insult after injury, you had Righteous Indignation in
>> defense of a position totally in the wrong!
>>
>> Geez, I hope the next person who comes in here to ask questions is
>> someone who knows how to be APPRECIATIVE, and ask intelligent questions
>> that are direct and to the point, and offers PRAISE to those who TRY to
>> help. Why do we always wind up with these people who are never satisfied
>> with an answer? People should learn to be grateful for the inadequate
>> help we provide around here!
>>
>> MCSB MCNGP #46 MCNGP.COM WHERE THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A STUPID QUESTION
>> (unless someone else asks it)
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Rob
Wed Sep 14 11:45:55 CDT 2005


"JaR" <jrderby@lakabux.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96D15DDC4EA29Misanthrope@207.46.248.16...
> In microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse, Matt U.K. spewed across the ether:
>
>> Geez you do go on and on and on ........... yawn zzzzzzzzzzzz
>
> And yet you read it. Consider that your penance for your ungrateful
> attitude, untrimmed sig, and unresearched question.

JaR gets it. Drain them or entertain them.

Bill
Wed Sep 14 15:05:18 CDT 2005

Yes, eventually Microsoft will stop offering the exams. When was the last
time you could take a NT4 exam?
As for when, the date currently set by the MS Certification Team is Feb
29th, 2007.



"Matt U.K." wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I would like to go for MCSE Certification but now that MCSE is available for
> Windows Server 2003 will the 2000 track be phased out if so when?
>
> Many thanks in advance
>
> Matt U.K.
>
> --
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> DVD Writer: 'LG' 4163B.
> DVD-ROM: 'Pioneer' DVD-106S.
> Hardrive(s):
> X2 Western Digital Caviar 80GB 'Special Edition' 8MB Cache 7200 rpm Ultra
> ATA/100,
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> Graphics card:
> 'XFX GeForce 6600GT' 128MB DDR3 TV-OUT/Dual DVI (AGP).
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Kline
Wed Sep 14 15:53:04 CDT 2005

>Windows 2000's life ended a couple months ago, I believe.

yeah great funeral; MS-Dos, CP/M, even Windows 286 showed up. Mind you
Windows 3.0 made a typically fool of himself.

Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3

Kline
Wed Sep 14 15:55:10 CDT 2005

>Thanks for the heads-up on that one! I shall modify my sig post-haste!
>
>--
>Fris "New, Improved Sig v2.0!" bee®, MCNGP #13

pls b telling me when sp1 for Sig v2.0 will be released. I have no
money.

Waiting....

Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3

Briscobar
Wed Sep 14 16:08:16 CDT 2005

Kline Sphere <.@> rambled:
>
>> Windows 2000's life ended a couple months ago, I believe.
>
> yeah great funeral; MS-Dos, CP/M, even Windows 286 showed up. Mind you
> Windows 3.0 made a typically fool of himself.
>
> Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3


Yeah, he and Microsoft BOB had one too many Captain and Cokes. Friggin'
lushes. At a time like this...can you imagine? Everyone's greiving, and
they're using the occasion to load up on rum. Someone really should have
spoken to them about that.

--
KB

MCNGP #26
Download full moviez, war3z, crackz, muzik, and pr0n at www.mcngp.com!
Or don't.

Rob
Wed Sep 14 20:55:57 CDT 2005


"Briscobar" <youcant@sendmespam.com> wrote in message
news:OBO%23KBXuFHA.2008@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Kline Sphere <.@> rambled:
>>
>>> Windows 2000's life ended a couple months ago, I believe.
>>
>> yeah great funeral; MS-Dos, CP/M, even Windows 286 showed up. Mind you
>> Windows 3.0 made a typically fool of himself.
>>
>> Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
>
>
> Yeah, he and Microsoft BOB had one too many Captain and Cokes. Friggin'
> lushes. At a time like this...can you imagine? Everyone's greiving, and
> they're using the occasion to load up on rum. Someone really should have
> spoken to them about that.

Bob will never listen.

DST
Thu Sep 15 04:03:07 CDT 2005

I think wikipedia talks about the phase out of Windows 2000, not MCSE
2000.

> "The MCSE is currently available for two different products, Windows 2000
(to be phased out by 2005) and Windows Server 2003."

MS says here
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcpexams/status/retired.asp

> Announcements of exams that are scheduled for discontinuation will be made once a
> year in June on this Web site. Candidates who subscribe to the online newsletter
> MCP NewsFlash will receive notification by e-mail of an exam's impending
> discontinuation at least 12 months before that exam is no longer available.
> Exam status information will also be available at this Web site at all times.

There are currently no exams scheduled for retirement:
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcpexams/status/examstoretire.asp

So Windows 2000 exams will not be retired before June 2006

DST

DST
Thu Sep 15 04:06:28 CDT 2005

Sorry, made a mistake: Windows 2000 exams will not be retired before
June 2007

Neil
Thu Sep 15 09:03:29 CDT 2005

did you hear "Matt U.K." <mm_lewis@_No_SpAm_hotmail.com> say in
news:Gvidne3MfqwMsbXeRVnyrA@pipex.net:

> I'm going to tell Bill that Neil was mean to me. LOL

make sure he knows which Neil you are talking about. I'm already in his bad
books and there have been these odd "Nerd Thugs" that have been showing up
at my house....picture Bobby "Bacala" meets Steve Erkel

--
Neil MCNGP#30

- Take me drunk, I'm home.