MCSE Exams

Hi All,
I have a little problem, I have been advised that the MCDST (Desktop Support
Tech) Exams count towards the MCSE. I have since been advised by a friend in
fact they dont. Can someone pease advise on this as if it does not then its
£600 I have wasted.

The
Thu Aug 23 09:18:46 CDT 2007

They do not.

MSCDT can be used as an Elective for the MCSA only and not carried to the
MCSE

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"Chris Eves" <Chris Eves@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> Hi All,
> I have a little problem, I have been advised that the MCDST (Desktop
> Support
> Tech) Exams count towards the MCSE. I have since been advised by a friend
> in
> fact they dont. Can someone pease advise on this as if it does not then
> its
> £600 I have wasted.

Montreal
Thu Aug 23 12:39:58 CDT 2007

600 quid... wow, that's gotta be an expensive testing centre!

--
Mitch Garvis, MCT
MCSA, MCITP, MCDST, MCTS
Microsoft MVP: Windows Server - Customer Experience
Visit my blog at http://blog.mitchgarvis.com
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"Chris Eves" <Chris Eves@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:142E6CF1-8EC2-419A-8126-66E5F612E19E@microsoft.com...
> Hi All,
> I have a little problem, I have been advised that the MCDST (Desktop
> Support
> Tech) Exams count towards the MCSE. I have since been advised by a friend
> in
> fact they dont. Can someone pease advise on this as if it does not then
> its
> £600 I have wasted.

John
Thu Aug 23 20:15:41 CDT 2007


"Chris Eves" <Chris Eves@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:142E6CF1-8EC2-419A-8126-66E5F612E19E@microsoft.com...
> Hi All,
> I have a little problem, I have been advised that the MCDST (Desktop
> Support
> Tech) Exams count towards the MCSE. I have since been advised by a friend
> in
> fact they dont. Can someone pease advise on this as if it does not then
> its
> £600 I have wasted.

If you have Windows 2000 skills, what you can do, is use MCDST as the
elective for MCSA 2000. Then, you can use the MCSA 2000 as the elective for
MCSE 2003. If you take the MCSA upgrade exam 70-292, you can do the whole
thing in nine exams total.

John R

The
Fri Aug 24 12:03:44 CDT 2007

I'd have to double check, but I'm pretty sure you cannot use the Upgrade and
still use the MCSA (2000) Elective options together. But if I'm wrong thats
a good way to get the best bang for your testing dollar.

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"John R" <jsr^^^813@zoom^^^internet.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Chris Eves" <Chris Eves@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:142E6CF1-8EC2-419A-8126-66E5F612E19E@microsoft.com...
>> Hi All,
>> I have a little problem, I have been advised that the MCDST (Desktop
>> Support
>> Tech) Exams count towards the MCSE. I have since been advised by a
>> friend in
>> fact they dont. Can someone pease advise on this as if it does not then
>> its
>> £600 I have wasted.
>
> If you have Windows 2000 skills, what you can do, is use MCDST as the
> elective for MCSA 2000. Then, you can use the MCSA 2000 as the elective
> for MCSE 2003. If you take the MCSA upgrade exam 70-292, you can do the
> whole thing in nine exams total.
>
> John R
>

Jeff
Sun Aug 26 19:35:56 CDT 2007

I'm not sure if this applies where you are, but I find it best to look on
the Mother Ship for such things:

http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcse/default.mspx

Jeff

"Chris Eves" <Chris Eves@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:142E6CF1-8EC2-419A-8126-66E5F612E19E@microsoft.com...
> Hi All,
> I have a little problem, I have been advised that the MCDST (Desktop
> Support
> Tech) Exams count towards the MCSE. I have since been advised by a friend
> in
> fact they dont. Can someone pease advise on this as if it does not then
> its
> £600 I have wasted.

John
Tue Aug 28 18:11:02 CDT 2007

"The Rev [MCT]" <ireportbadpeople@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:uscGBDn5HHA.2312@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> I'd have to double check, but I'm pretty sure you cannot use the Upgrade
> and still use the MCSA (2000) Elective options together. But if I'm wrong
> thats a good way to get the best bang for your testing dollar.
>
> --
> "John R" <jsr^^^813@zoom^^^internet.net> wrote in message
> news:%23Fk6Kxe5HHA.3716@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>
>> "Chris Eves" <Chris Eves@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:142E6CF1-8EC2-419A-8126-66E5F612E19E@microsoft.com...
>>> Hi All,
>>> I have a little problem, I have been advised that the MCDST (Desktop
>>> Support
>>> Tech) Exams count towards the MCSE. I have since been advised by a
>>> friend in
>>> fact they dont. Can someone pease advise on this as if it does not then
>>> its
>>> £600 I have wasted.
>>
>> If you have Windows 2000 skills, what you can do, is use MCDST as the
>> elective for MCSA 2000. Then, you can use the MCSA 2000 as the elective
>> for MCSE 2003. If you take the MCSA upgrade exam 70-292, you can do the
>> whole thing in nine exams total.
>>
>> John R
>>
>

Well, unless that is specifically excluded somewhere that I can't find, I
believe it is a valid path. Looking at the cert planners, I see nothing
that would preclude it. I used MCDST for both MCSA 2000 and MCSA 2003, and
I used MCSA 2000 for MCSE 2003. However, I did not take 292 (which is the
whole point here), so I took 10 tests. I took 290 and 291 before I took 215
and 218 so the "upgrade" wasn't really available to me.

John R

Henrik
Wed Aug 29 11:43:10 CDT 2007

"John R" <jsr^^^813@zoom^^^internet.net> skrev i meddelandet
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>
> Well, unless that is specifically excluded somewhere that I can't find, I
> believe it is a valid path. Looking at the cert planners, I see nothing
> that would preclude it. I used MCDST for both MCSA 2000 and MCSA 2003,
> and I used MCSA 2000 for MCSE 2003. However, I did not take 292 (which is
> the whole point here), so I took 10 tests. I took 290 and 291 before I
> took 215 and 218 so the "upgrade" wasn't really available to me.
>
> John R

I think you took some extra exam in your path, which could be skipped

MCSA2k=3core + MCDST as elective
MCSE2k3=5core (core client OS requirement already completed if passing MCSA)
+ MCSA2k as elective

Exam 292 replaces 290+291 => 1 less, and totally 3+5-1=7 exams

John
Wed Aug 29 12:59:34 CDT 2007


"Henrik Johansson" <nospam_($givenName)(d0t]($sn)[@t]o=miun,c=se> wrote in
message news:O2zqvul6HHA.2380@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> "John R" <jsr^^^813@zoom^^^internet.net> skrev i meddelandet
> news:ezwVvic6HHA.4584@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>
>> Well, unless that is specifically excluded somewhere that I can't find, I
>> believe it is a valid path. Looking at the cert planners, I see nothing
>> that would preclude it. I used MCDST for both MCSA 2000 and MCSA 2003,
>> and I used MCSA 2000 for MCSE 2003. However, I did not take 292 (which
>> is the whole point here), so I took 10 tests. I took 290 and 291 before
>> I took 215 and 218 so the "upgrade" wasn't really available to me.
>>
>> John R
>
> I think you took some extra exam in your path, which could be skipped
>
> MCSA2k=3core + MCDST as elective
> MCSE2k3=5core (core client OS requirement already completed if passing
> MCSA) + MCSA2k as elective
>
> Exam 292 replaces 290+291 => 1 less, and totally 3+5-1=7 exams
>
>

Not really sure of the point you are trying to make. MCSE2k3 is 6 core +
elective. 290, 291, 293, 294, client os, design, plus elective. The order
I took was...
272, 271 (MCDST)
270, 290, 291 (MCSA2k3)
293, 294, 297 (remaining MCSE cores)
215, 218 (MCSA2k) and since that fulfilled the MCSE elective (MCSE2k3)
That is 10 tests total.

My prior point was that had I taken 215 and 218 first, I could have taken
292 instead of 290 and 291 and done the whole trip in 9 exams. To chart it
out...

272, 271 (MCDST)
270, 215, 218 (MCSA2k)
292 (MCSA2k3)
293, 294, 297 (MCSE2k3)
That is 9 exams total.

John R

Henrik
Wed Aug 29 14:03:12 CDT 2007


"John R" <jsr^^^813@zoom^^^internet.net> skrev i meddelandet
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>
> Not really sure of the point you are trying to make. MCSE2k3 is 6 core +
> elective. 290, 291, 293, 294, client os, design, plus elective. The
> order I took was...
> 272, 271 (MCDST)
> 270, 290, 291 (MCSA2k3)
> 293, 294, 297 (remaining MCSE cores)
> 215, 218 (MCSA2k) and since that fulfilled the MCSE elective (MCSE2k3)
> That is 10 tests total.
>
> My prior point was that had I taken 215 and 218 first, I could have taken
> 292 instead of 290 and 291 and done the whole trip in 9 exams. To chart
> it out...
>
> 272, 271 (MCDST)
> 270, 215, 218 (MCSA2k)
> 292 (MCSA2k3)
> 293, 294, 297 (MCSE2k3)
> That is 9 exams total.
>
> John R

Yes, MCDST gives 2 extra
I missunderstood the path as 10 extra after MCDST...

ChrisEves
Thu Aug 30 02:56:03 PDT 2007

The £600 pounds was for the course and I get 1 out of the 2 exams for free.

"Montreal MCT" wrote:

> 600 quid... wow, that's gotta be an expensive testing centre!
>
> --
> Mitch Garvis, MCT
> MCSA, MCITP, MCDST, MCTS
> Microsoft MVP: Windows Server - Customer Experience
> Visit my blog at http://blog.mitchgarvis.com
> ---
> "Chris Eves" <Chris Eves@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:142E6CF1-8EC2-419A-8126-66E5F612E19E@microsoft.com...
> > Hi All,
> > I have a little problem, I have been advised that the MCDST (Desktop
> > Support
> > Tech) Exams count towards the MCSE. I have since been advised by a friend
> > in
> > fact they dont. Can someone pease advise on this as if it does not then
> > its
> > £600 I have wasted.
>

Syed
Fri Aug 31 12:09:25 PDT 2007

£600!!!! WOW

"Chris Eves" <ChrisEves@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> The £600 pounds was for the course and I get 1 out of the 2 exams for
> free.
>
> "Montreal MCT" wrote:
>
>> 600 quid... wow, that's gotta be an expensive testing centre!
>>
>> --
>> Mitch Garvis, MCT
>> MCSA, MCITP, MCDST, MCTS
>> Microsoft MVP: Windows Server - Customer Experience
>> Visit my blog at http://blog.mitchgarvis.com
>> ---
>> "Chris Eves" <Chris Eves@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:142E6CF1-8EC2-419A-8126-66E5F612E19E@microsoft.com...
>> > Hi All,
>> > I have a little problem, I have been advised that the MCDST (Desktop
>> > Support
>> > Tech) Exams count towards the MCSE. I have since been advised by a
>> > friend
>> > in
>> > fact they dont. Can someone pease advise on this as if it does not then
>> > its
>> > £600 I have wasted.
>>