MCSE or Bust

I need some serious advise here since I've been following this newsgroup for
about 8 months. My goal is NOT to become a paper MCSE, rather to really
learn the material and apply it towards certs and hopefully to real life
situations. As a administrator of a member server, I do not have domain
admin priveleges, which leaves me with some good experience with basic
permissions and network concepts. Wish I had access to the domains DC, but
I'm not a domain admin or have those rights.

For a year now, I've completed the class work and labs for 270, 215, 216,
217, 220, 218 towards a MCSE at a respectable IT college which has given me
good/basic foundational knowledge to sit the certs. I have just completely
the 216 and 220 classes last month which leaves me with exchange to take
this month. My goal has always been to learn so I could apply the material
and that is why I have put off the cert scene in hopes I would understand
this newly acquired knowledge so I could better apply it to real life rather
than memorizing tests, i.e. testkings! Since the 216 and 220 classes, I
feel very comfortable and ready to tackle the certs. My question to all of
you pro's is which one to start with. I've completed the 216 and 220 a few
weeks ago and have been preping for the 216, but my close MCSE friend says
to not sit the 216 for your first MCSE exam.

I have Cram Master, Boson, Cert Times, Transcenders test simulators along
with all the study guides and a library of CBT's, and the Microsoft library.
All of these resources are invaluable which give me different perspectives
and scenarios to apply and learn from.

Where do I go from here...which exam first??? Thanks guys for your
patience

KWP

oncebitten
Mon Jan 05 10:50:11 CST 2004

1265@1265.com wrote:
> I need some serious advise here since I've been following this
> newsgroup for about 8 months. My goal is NOT to become a paper MCSE,
> rather to really learn the material and apply it towards certs and
> hopefully to real life situations. As a administrator of a member
> server, I do not have domain admin priveleges, which leaves me with
> some good experience with basic permissions and network concepts.
> Wish I had access to the domains DC, but I'm not a domain admin or
> have those rights.
>
> For a year now, I've completed the class work and labs for 270, 215,
> 216, 217, 220, 218 towards a MCSE at a respectable IT college which
> has given me good/basic foundational knowledge to sit the certs. I
> have just completely the 216 and 220 classes last month which leaves
> me with exchange to take this month. My goal has always been to
> learn so I could apply the material and that is why I have put off
> the cert scene in hopes I would understand this newly acquired
> knowledge so I could better apply it to real life rather than
> memorizing tests, i.e. testkings! Since the 216 and 220 classes, I
> feel very comfortable and ready to tackle the certs. My question to
> all of you pro's is which one to start with. I've completed the 216
> and 220 a few weeks ago and have been preping for the 216, but my
> close MCSE friend says to not sit the 216 for your first MCSE exam.
>
> I have Cram Master, Boson, Cert Times, Transcenders test simulators
> along with all the study guides and a library of CBT's, and the
> Microsoft library. All of these resources are invaluable which give
> me different perspectives and scenarios to apply and learn from.
>
> Where do I go from here...which exam first??? Thanks guys for your
> patience

Assuming this is your first certification of any kind, I recommend that you
take whichever one you feel the most confident in, which is probably 270.
Personally, I would then take 215, but the rest is better suggested from oth
ers here.

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Ken
Mon Jan 05 10:55:01 CST 2004

<snip everything>

In the midst of this war we're having here, I applaud and thank you for
taking the time to actually learn the material. Having a combination of
"book smarts" and experience is the way to go, as opposed to dumps. Wise
choice. Anyway, the order of the exams is entirely up to you. Most people
start with either 210 or 270, then do 215. Many people dive right into 216,
but AFAIK, most people save it for later, one of their final exams. You say
you're an admin of one server - 215 is right up your alley. It's the Win2K
Server exam. And, I'm assuming here, if you're proficient with Win2K
Server, you're probably proficient with Win2K Pro (and hopefully WinXP, if
you're planning on taking the 270 exam). So, my advice would be to start
with those 2 exams, evaluate your preparedness, and then either move on to
the tougher exams, or study/practice more. Either way, good luck.

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Politician
Mon Jan 05 10:53:55 CST 2004

<1265@1265.com> wrote in message news:FugKb.52519$Fg.32722@lakeread01...
> I need some serious advise here since I've been following this newsgroup
for
> about 8 months. My goal is NOT to become a paper MCSE, rather to really
> learn the material and apply it towards certs and hopefully to real life
> situations. As a administrator of a member server, I do not have domain
> admin priveleges, which leaves me with some good experience with basic
> permissions and network concepts. Wish I had access to the domains DC,
but
> I'm not a domain admin or have those rights.
>
> For a year now, I've completed the class work and labs for 270, 215, 216,
> 217, 220, 218 towards a MCSE at a respectable IT college which has given
me
> good/basic foundational knowledge to sit the certs. I have just
completely
> the 216 and 220 classes last month which leaves me with exchange to take
> this month. My goal has always been to learn so I could apply the
material
> and that is why I have put off the cert scene in hopes I would understand
> this newly acquired knowledge so I could better apply it to real life
rather
> than memorizing tests, i.e. testkings! Since the 216 and 220 classes, I
> feel very comfortable and ready to tackle the certs. My question to all of
> you pro's is which one to start with. I've completed the 216 and 220 a
few
> weeks ago and have been preping for the 216, but my close MCSE friend says
> to not sit the 216 for your first MCSE exam.
>
> I have Cram Master, Boson, Cert Times, Transcenders test simulators along
> with all the study guides and a library of CBT's, and the Microsoft
library.
> All of these resources are invaluable which give me different
perspectives
> and scenarios to apply and learn from.
>
> Where do I go from here...which exam first??? Thanks guys for your
> patience
>
> KWP

There is no right or wrong order, but most people agree that 216 is the
hardest of the core requirements. You listed 218, the MCSA exam which can be
an elective for MCSE. It's a piece of cake exam, and a nice warm up to the
216 and 217 exams as it covers the same material as those two exams.

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Consultant
Mon Jan 05 11:08:13 CST 2004

why should he take the time to learn and do things on his own, when miss
skye will do it for him?

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"Ken Briscoe" <youcant@sendmespam.com> wrote in message
news:%23XkAqy60DHA.1916@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> <snip everything>
>
> In the midst of this war we're having here, I applaud and thank you for
> taking the time to actually learn the material. Having a combination of
> "book smarts" and experience is the way to go, as opposed to dumps. Wise
> choice. Anyway, the order of the exams is entirely up to you. Most people
> start with either 210 or 270, then do 215. Many people dive right into
216,
> but AFAIK, most people save it for later, one of their final exams. You
say
> you're an admin of one server - 215 is right up your alley. It's the Win2K
> Server exam. And, I'm assuming here, if you're proficient with Win2K
> Server, you're probably proficient with Win2K Pro (and hopefully WinXP, if
> you're planning on taking the 270 exam). So, my advice would be to start
> with those 2 exams, evaluate your preparedness, and then either move on to
> the tougher exams, or study/practice more. Either way, good luck.
>
> --
>
> KB - MCNGP "silent thug" #26
>
> first initial last name AT hotmail DOT com
>
>

billyw
Mon Jan 05 11:57:31 CST 2004

i found 216 to be relatively easy..
certainly not the beast it is made out to be

"Politician Spock" <rhammersmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e5I9by60DHA.2156@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> <1265@1265.com> wrote in message news:FugKb.52519$Fg.32722@lakeread01...
> > I need some serious advise here since I've been following this newsgroup
> for
> > about 8 months. My goal is NOT to become a paper MCSE, rather to really
> > learn the material and apply it towards certs and hopefully to real life
> > situations. As a administrator of a member server, I do not have domain
> > admin priveleges, which leaves me with some good experience with basic
> > permissions and network concepts. Wish I had access to the domains DC,
> but
> > I'm not a domain admin or have those rights.
> >
> > For a year now, I've completed the class work and labs for 270, 215,
216,
> > 217, 220, 218 towards a MCSE at a respectable IT college which has given
> me
> > good/basic foundational knowledge to sit the certs. I have just
> completely
> > the 216 and 220 classes last month which leaves me with exchange to take
> > this month. My goal has always been to learn so I could apply the
> material
> > and that is why I have put off the cert scene in hopes I would
understand
> > this newly acquired knowledge so I could better apply it to real life
> rather
> > than memorizing tests, i.e. testkings! Since the 216 and 220 classes, I
> > feel very comfortable and ready to tackle the certs. My question to all
of
> > you pro's is which one to start with. I've completed the 216 and 220 a
> few
> > weeks ago and have been preping for the 216, but my close MCSE friend
says
> > to not sit the 216 for your first MCSE exam.
> >
> > I have Cram Master, Boson, Cert Times, Transcenders test simulators
along
> > with all the study guides and a library of CBT's, and the Microsoft
> library.
> > All of these resources are invaluable which give me different
> perspectives
> > and scenarios to apply and learn from.
> >
> > Where do I go from here...which exam first??? Thanks guys for your
> > patience
> >
> > KWP
>
> There is no right or wrong order, but most people agree that 216 is the
> hardest of the core requirements. You listed 218, the MCSA exam which can
be
> an elective for MCSE. It's a piece of cake exam, and a nice warm up to the
> 216 and 217 exams as it covers the same material as those two exams.
>
> --
> Politician Spock
> MCSA, CCEA, MCNGP #15
> The MCNGP Team - We're here to help
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.
> You assume all risk for your use. Not responsible for your inability to
> understand logic, ambiguous references, sarcasm, the imaginary gnomes
> living in my garden, or William Shatner's acting.
> © 2003 Star Trek Federation. All rights reserved.
>
>
>

Politician
Mon Jan 05 12:14:44 CST 2004

"billyw" <b@brainless.net> wrote in message
news:eLlVgV70DHA.2156@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> i found 216 to be relatively easy..
> certainly not the beast it is made out to be
>

I passed it on the first try (9 for 9 on MS and 5 for 5 on Citrix), but I
would certainly say the other MS exams are easier than 216.

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living in my garden, or William Shatner's acting.
© 2003 Star Trek Federation. All rights reserved.

The
Mon Jan 05 13:14:18 CST 2004

>why should he take the time to learn and do things on his own, when miss
>skye will do it for him?

Err, pride, self esteem, lapel pin....?

1265
Mon Jan 05 13:32:08 CST 2004

I have no idea wher you're coming from

KWP

The
Mon Jan 05 14:02:07 CST 2004

>I have no idea wher you're coming from
>
>KWP

Pride and self esteem are attributes which can be attributed to
someone who achieves something of meaning or worthlessness, well I
think so anyway.

Consultant
Mon Jan 05 14:02:24 CST 2004

trust me, you don't want to know
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<1265@1265.com> wrote in message news:51jKb.52544$Fg.36440@lakeread01...
> I have no idea wher you're coming from
>
> KWP

anonymous
Mon Jan 05 19:06:15 CST 2004



----- The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Spher wrote: -----

>I have no idea wher you're coming from
>>KWP

Pride and self esteem are attributes which can be attributed to
someone who achieves something of meaning or worthlessness, well I
think so anyway.


I think so too. But - Did you mean worthfulness? It works the other way as well if your goal is to be a lazy sh*t.

1265
Mon Jan 05 19:46:43 CST 2004

Thanks for everybody's time and input..seems the consenus is to start from
the 270, and then the 215 and so on...

Again, thanks to all inputs!

KWP

The
Tue Jan 06 10:38:05 CST 2004

>I think so too. But - Did you mean worthfulness? It works the other way as well if your goal is to be a lazy sh*t.
Err, no. Even I'm surprised I didn't spot that one before I hit
return..
Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3