[OT] Looking for new job: need advice

I'm about to complete my last exam before I become a MCSE on Windows
Server 2003. Currently, I'm in a PC Tech type of job. I won't bore
you with details, but lets say I think things are headed in the wrong
direction at my current job and I'm a bit bored in this position. I
would like to post my resume out there with the keyword MCSE in it
(bound to get a couple bites I assume), but I'm afraid my current
employer might find out by doing a resume search. Is there a way of
discreetly posting your resume while you continue to work for an
employer or no?

I also wonder how people get these administrator type of jobs. I've
tried the contracting route a few years ago and found out that these
types (Volt, Robert Half, Teksystems, etc) constantly lie through their
teeth and throw you crap work. This was before 9/11! I can only
imagine what they are like now.

I have a 4 year degree in a Computer Science and as noted above, soon
to be MCSE, along with current A+ and Security+ certifications. Maybe
I don't have the experience, but I certainly have the ambition and I
think the smarts to do a damn fine job.

No flaming MCNGPs please!

Thanks.

catwalker63
Tue Oct 19 22:02:29 CDT 2004

Some Dude <someone@somewhere.com> prattled ceaslessly in
news:Xns9587DCB8EC4062781828@toughguy.net:

> Is there a way of discreetly posting your resume while you continue to
> work for an employer or no?
>
> I also wonder how people get these administrator type of jobs.
>

You'll either get it by paying your dues at the He!! Desk or you might
luck out and end up in it by accident. Network (with people) and you
will likely find a better job.

I don't personally recommend posting your resume to a searchable
database -- too much personal information that can be misused. Apply
directly for positions that interest you or try to network (this is with
people again) your way into a company that interests you.

--
Catwalker
aka Pu$$y Feet
BS, MCP

"Definitely not wearing any underwear."

Some
Tue Oct 19 22:39:42 CDT 2004

catwalker63 <_catwalker63_@hotmamamail.com> wrote in
news:Xns9587CBDF725Ecatwalker63athotmail@216.196.97.136:

> You'll either get it by paying your dues at the He!! Desk or you
> might luck out and end up in it by accident. Network (with
> people) and you will likely find a better job.

Trust me, I have paid my dues well over! I have spent a couple years in
He11 Desk type jobs. I have a few tech friends and so far, I have come
up with nothing, nada, zip. I did attend a community college to take
some Microsoft courses and the guys there were getting into company
positions via internships. Going back to the same college would be a
waste of my time and money as I already have a college degree (and they
were only offering associate degrees).

catwalker63
Tue Oct 19 23:10:10 CDT 2004

Some Dude <someone@somewhere.com> prattled ceaslessly in
news:Xns9587E6C7AE7852781828@toughguy.net:

> catwalker63 <_catwalker63_@hotmamamail.com> wrote in
> news:Xns9587CBDF725Ecatwalker63athotmail@216.196.97.136:
>
>> You'll either get it by paying your dues at the He!! Desk or you
>> might luck out and end up in it by accident. Network (with
>> people) and you will likely find a better job.
>
> Trust me, I have paid my dues well over! I have spent a couple years in
> He11 Desk type jobs. I have a few tech friends and so far, I have come
> up with nothing, nada, zip. I did attend a community college to take
> some Microsoft courses and the guys there were getting into company
> positions via internships. Going back to the same college would be a
> waste of my time and money as I already have a college degree (and they
> were only offering associate degrees).
>

Networking is, unfortunately, more complicated than having a few tech
friends. The best way is to query everyone you know and ask them to come
up with one or two people you can contact for an information interview.
It's important not to ask these people for a job, but to come to them for
information about what they would look for in an incumbant and what you
can do to make yourself more marketable. Then you ask them to recommend
2 or more people and you set up the same type of meeting with them. And
so on, and so on, etc. etc., working your way to the people who make the
hiring decision. Eventually you will score, but it may take time. It's
all who you know so the more people you know, and more importantly, who
know you, the better chance you have. Make it clear that you are not
asking for a job and don't do anything during this meeting to make you a
liar in this respect. Keep the meeting short and show respect and
appreciation for their time.

Also, get your resume in shape. The old rules for resumes are out so you
may need to seek out some information about how to make your resume
current. You'll need to do some research on networking techniques,
interview skills, and salary negotiation, while you're at it. Get
together a list of companies you'd like to work for and research them.
Use your current contacts to try to network your way in to talk with
hiring managers in an informal informational interview. The best jobs
are not advertised.

Most importantly, realize this type of work is a constant race to keep
up. If you are not always learning something new you are going to lose.

Good luck!

--
Catwalker
aka Pu$$y Feet
BS, MCP

"Definitely not wearing any underwear."

Rowdy
Wed Oct 20 03:23:52 CDT 2004

i say, resumes shmesumes! best way to get a job is to hack your way into
the HR system and put yourself on the payroll!


catwalker63 <_catwalker63_@hotmamamail.com> wrote in
news:Xns9587D758A95C6catwalker63athotmail@216.196.97.136:

>
> Networking is, unfortunately, more complicated than having a few tech
> friends. The best way is to query everyone you know and ask them to
> come up with one or two people you can contact for an information
> interview. It's important not to ask these people for a job, but to
> come to them for information about what they would look for in an
> incumbant and what you can do to make yourself more marketable. Then
> you ask them to recommend 2 or more people and you set up the same
> type of meeting with them. And so on, and so on, etc. etc., working
> your way to the people who make the hiring decision. Eventually you
> will score, but it may take time. It's all who you know so the more
> people you know, and more importantly, who know you, the better chance
> you have. Make it clear that you are not asking for a job and don't
> do anything during this meeting to make you a liar in this respect.
> Keep the meeting short and show respect and appreciation for their
> time.
>
> Also, get your resume in shape. The old rules for resumes are out so
> you may need to seek out some information about how to make your
> resume current. You'll need to do some research on networking
> techniques, interview skills, and salary negotiation, while you're at
> it. Get together a list of companies you'd like to work for and
> research them. Use your current contacts to try to network your way
> in to talk with hiring managers in an informal informational
> interview. The best jobs are not advertised.
>
> Most importantly, realize this type of work is a constant race to keep
> up. If you are not always learning something new you are going to
> lose.
>
> Good luck!
>

Rowdy Yates, MCNGP #39

catwalker63
Wed Oct 20 03:57:24 CDT 2004

Rowdy Yates <rowdy_yates_mcngp@removethisyahoo.com> prattled ceaslessly
in news:Xns95882C1E35B01rowdyyates2123@207.46.248.16:

> i say, resumes shmesumes! best way to get a job is to hack your way
> into the HR system and put yourself on the payroll!
>

There are advantages to that aproach, I suppose, but there are also some
serious risks. Best consider carefully before undertaking this sort of
enterprise. Unless you like prison, that is. <eg>

--
Catwalker
aka Pu$$y Feet
BS, MCP

"Definitely not wearing any underwear."

Rowdy
Wed Oct 20 05:46:42 CDT 2004

catwalker63 <_catwalker63_@hotmamamail.com> wrote in
news:Xns958813E7DDF1catwalker63athotmail@216.196.97.136:

> Rowdy Yates <rowdy_yates_mcngp@removethisyahoo.com> prattled ceaslessly
> in news:Xns95882C1E35B01rowdyyates2123@207.46.248.16:
>
>> i say, resumes shmesumes! best way to get a job is to hack your way
>> into the HR system and put yourself on the payroll!
>>
>
> There are advantages to that aproach, I suppose, but there are also some
> serious risks. Best consider carefully before undertaking this sort of
> enterprise. Unless you like prison, that is. <eg>
>

prison! hey, we can all go and visit my old cell mate Bubba.

--
Rowdy Yates, MCNGP #39
http://www.mcngp.com/
"Shhhh... Do you smell that? I think is't Albanian Goat Smegma!"

Network
Wed Oct 20 06:32:31 CDT 2004


"Some Dude" <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9587DCB8EC4062781828@toughguy.net...
> I'm about to complete my last exam before I become a MCSE on Windows
> Server 2003. Currently, I'm in a PC Tech type of job. I won't bore
> you with details, but lets say I think things are headed in the wrong
> direction at my current job and I'm a bit bored in this position. I
> would like to post my resume out there with the keyword MCSE in it
> (bound to get a couple bites I assume), but I'm afraid my current
> employer might find out by doing a resume search. Is there a way of
> discreetly posting your resume while you continue to work for an
> employer or no?
>
> I also wonder how people get these administrator type of jobs. I've
> tried the contracting route a few years ago and found out that these
> types (Volt, Robert Half, Teksystems, etc) constantly lie through their
> teeth and throw you crap work. This was before 9/11! I can only
> imagine what they are like now.
>
> I have a 4 year degree in a Computer Science and as noted above, soon
> to be MCSE, along with current A+ and Security+ certifications. Maybe
> I don't have the experience, but I certainly have the ambition and I
> think the smarts to do a damn fine job.
>
> No flaming MCNGPs please!
>
> Thanks.


The current climate is not favorable for Networking type jobs. However, you
do have one qualification that makes you stand out from the crowd: BSCS
degree. Use it to your advantage. Unfortunately,it seems everybody and
everyone has the MCSE cert and its value is not what it once was. I used to
(and still do) attend usergroup meetings in my area to network and meet new
faces. My current employer has hired several people over the years that
were referred through the user group meetings. Also, be proactive, don't
wait for someone to ask you if you are looking. Grab the bull by the horns
and initiate the conversation. "So you work for company XYZ.....Do you know
if they are loking for network admins with BSCS and MCSE....."

T-Bone
Wed Oct 20 07:58:48 CDT 2004

"Some Dude" <someone@somewhere.com> wrote
> No flaming MCNGPs please!

The MCNGP generally apply a "don't ask, don't tell policy". So you won't
find any flamers here.

T-Bone
MCNGP XL
Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Rowdy
Wed Oct 20 08:00:35 CDT 2004

Network Guru wrote:
> Unfortunately,it seems everybody and
> everyone has the MCSE cert and its value is not what it once was.

Well, you can say that again! Play it one more time Sir Duke!

--
Rowdy Yates, MCNGP #39
http://www.mcngp.com/
"Do you smell that? I think is't Albanian Goat Smegma! Who wants some?"

Doom
Wed Oct 20 08:07:57 CDT 2004


"Rowdy Yates" <rowdy_yates_mcngp@removethisyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95882C1E35B01rowdyyates2123@207.46.248.16...
>i say, resumes shmesumes! best way to get a job is to hack your way into
> the HR system and put yourself on the payroll!
>
GOOD LUCK IN PRISON

Doom
Wed Oct 20 08:10:05 CDT 2004



> No flaming MCNGPs please!
>
Why would we set ourselves on fire. That's just crazy.

Rowdy
Wed Oct 20 08:13:59 CDT 2004

Doom wrote:
> "Rowdy Yates" <rowdy_yates_mcngp@removethisyahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns95882C1E35B01rowdyyates2123@207.46.248.16...
>
>>i say, resumes shmesumes! best way to get a job is to hack your way into
>>the HR system and put yourself on the payroll!
>>
>
> GOOD LUCK IN PRISON
>
>

NOT BEFORE I REPORT YOU TO THE FBI!

--
Rowdy Yates, MCNGP #39
http://www.mcngp.com/
"Do you smell that? I think is't Albanian Goat Smegma! Who wants some?"

Rowdy
Wed Oct 20 08:16:59 CDT 2004

Doom wrote:
>>No flaming MCNGPs please!
>>
>
> Why would we set ourselves on fire. That's just crazy.
>
>


i thought this was you? it wasn' me! then who was it?

http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,10770031%255
E1702,00.html

http://tinyurl.com/6uywd

:-)


--
Rowdy Yates, MCNGP #39
http://www.mcngp.com/
"Do you smell that? I think is't Albanian Goat Smegma! Who wants some?"

Doom
Wed Oct 20 08:18:03 CDT 2004


"Rowdy Yates" <rowdy_yates_mcngp@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:%23N37zaqtEHA.2520@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Doom wrote:
>> "Rowdy Yates" <rowdy_yates_mcngp@removethisyahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns95882C1E35B01rowdyyates2123@207.46.248.16...
>>
>>>i say, resumes shmesumes! best way to get a job is to hack your way into
>>>the HR system and put yourself on the payroll!
>>>
>>
>> GOOD LUCK IN PRISON
>
> NOT BEFORE I REPORT YOU TO THE FBI!
>
*YAWN*

=meanoldman=
Wed Oct 20 08:19:13 CDT 2004

Well, the best way is to do it for yourself along with a few other random
people.

"catwalker63" <_catwalker63_@hotmamamail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns958813E7DDF1catwalker63athotmail@216.196.97.136...
> Rowdy Yates <rowdy_yates_mcngp@removethisyahoo.com> prattled ceaslessly
> in news:Xns95882C1E35B01rowdyyates2123@207.46.248.16:
>
>> i say, resumes shmesumes! best way to get a job is to hack your way
>> into the HR system and put yourself on the payroll!
>>
>
> There are advantages to that aproach, I suppose, but there are also some
> serious risks. Best consider carefully before undertaking this sort of
> enterprise. Unless you like prison, that is. <eg>
>
> --
> Catwalker
> aka Pu$$y Feet
> BS, MCP
>
> "Definitely not wearing any underwear."

LnkWizard
Wed Oct 20 08:40:46 CDT 2004


"Rowdy Yates" <rowdy_yates_mcngp@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:uZ$DgcqtEHA.2116@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Doom wrote:
> >>No flaming MCNGPs please!
> >>
> >
> > Why would we set ourselves on fire. That's just crazy.
> >
> >
>
>
> i thought this was you? it wasn' me! then who was it?
>
> http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,10770031%255
> E1702,00.html
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6uywd
>
> :-)
>
>
> --
> Rowdy Yates, MCNGP #39
> http://www.mcngp.com/
> "Do you smell that? I think is't Albanian Goat Smegma! Who wants some?"

He worked for Kerpal
--
---------------------------------------------------------------------
LnkWizard MCNGP 2^5

"He who does not test himself is worthless indeed"
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Consultant
Wed Oct 20 08:47:52 CDT 2004

3 hots and a cot or is that cock? lol


"catwalker63" <_catwalker63_@hotmamamail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns958813E7DDF1catwalker63athotmail@216.196.97.136...
> Rowdy Yates <rowdy_yates_mcngp@removethisyahoo.com> prattled ceaslessly
> in news:Xns95882C1E35B01rowdyyates2123@207.46.248.16:
>
>> i say, resumes shmesumes! best way to get a job is to hack your way
>> into the HR system and put yourself on the payroll!
>>
>
> There are advantages to that aproach, I suppose, but there are also some
> serious risks. Best consider carefully before undertaking this sort of
> enterprise. Unless you like prison, that is. <eg>
>
> --
> Catwalker
> aka Pu$$y Feet
> BS, MCP
>
> "Definitely not wearing any underwear."

Consultant
Wed Oct 20 08:53:00 CDT 2004


"Some Dude" <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9587DCB8EC4062781828@toughguy.net...
> I'm about to complete my last exam before I become a MCSE on Windows
> Server 2003. Currently, I'm in a PC Tech type of job. I won't bore
> you with details, but lets say I think things are headed in the wrong
> direction at my current job and I'm a bit bored in this position. I
> would like to post my resume out there with the keyword MCSE in it
> (bound to get a couple bites I assume), but I'm afraid my current
> employer might find out by doing a resume search. Is there a way of
> discreetly posting your resume while you continue to work for an
> employer or no?

post your resume without publicly showing your contact info on monster.

>
> I also wonder how people get these administrator type of jobs. I've
> tried the contracting route a few years ago and found out that these
> types (Volt, Robert Half, Teksystems, etc) constantly lie through their
> teeth and throw you crap work. This was before 9/11! I can only
> imagine what they are like now.
>

well, we submit our resumes, interview, then accept an offer

> I have a 4 year degree in a Computer Science and as noted above, soon
> to be MCSE, along with current A+ and Security+ certifications. Maybe
> I don't have the experience, but I certainly have the ambition and I
> think the smarts to do a damn fine job.
>

certs are meaningless. experience means everything

> No flaming MCNGPs please!
>

ask a stupid question, you get flamed. personally, i think you are asking
for it.

> Thanks.

on a side note, if you were half as ambitious as you claim, then why would
you have spent more then 6 months in a help desk position? just wondering.

Rowdy
Wed Oct 20 09:03:53 CDT 2004

Consultant wrote:
>
> well, we submit our resumes, interview, then accept an offer

correction: we submit our resumes and never get called

or

correction: we submit our resumes, interview, and never get called

or

correction: we submit our resumes, interview, get an offer for a
completely different job than the one we thought we were applying for.

> on a side note, if you were half as ambitious as you claim, then why would
> you have spent more then 6 months in a help desk position? just wondering.

hey, there are some pretty hot babes in help desk these dayz.

--
Rowdy Yates, MCNGP #39
http://www.mcngp.com/
"Do you smell that? I think is't Albanian Goat Smegma! Who wants some?"

Consultant
Wed Oct 20 09:16:41 CDT 2004

not where i work
>
> hey, there are some pretty hot babes in help desk these dayz.
>
> --
> Rowdy Yates, MCNGP #39
> http://www.mcngp.com/
> "Do you smell that? I think is't Albanian Goat Smegma! Who wants some?"

Some
Wed Oct 20 09:21:30 CDT 2004

"Consultant" <consultant_mcngp@yahoodotcom> wrote in
news:OY#EewqtEHA.716@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl:

> on a side note, if you were half as ambitious as you claim, then
> why would you have spent more then 6 months in a help desk
> position? just wondering.

It should be painfully obvious to everyone that the job market isn't
like it use to be. I've been spending the past few months working
towards my MCSE while in my current position. I figure I need all the
ammo I can get before venturing out and taking this project head-on.

Consultant
Wed Oct 20 09:30:34 CDT 2004

i see.
at least you don't wish to cheat, so, good luck

"Some Dude" <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95885F73822FE2781828@toughguy.net...
> "Consultant" <consultant_mcngp@yahoodotcom> wrote in
> news:OY#EewqtEHA.716@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl:
>
>> on a side note, if you were half as ambitious as you claim, then
>> why would you have spent more then 6 months in a help desk
>> position? just wondering.
>
> It should be painfully obvious to everyone that the job market isn't
> like it use to be. I've been spending the past few months working
> towards my MCSE while in my current position. I figure I need all the
> ammo I can get before venturing out and taking this project head-on.

Neil
Wed Oct 20 11:57:05 CDT 2004

incase you missed it "Doom" <doom_mcngp38@nospam.com> said in
news:uf5E8cqtEHA.1720@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl:

>
> "Rowdy Yates" <rowdy_yates_mcngp@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:%23N37zaqtEHA.2520@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> Doom wrote:
>>> "Rowdy Yates" <rowdy_yates_mcngp@removethisyahoo.com> wrote in
>>> message news:Xns95882C1E35B01rowdyyates2123@207.46.248.16...
>>>
>>>>i say, resumes shmesumes! best way to get a job is to hack your way
>>>>into the HR system and put yourself on the payroll!
>>>>
>>>
>>> GOOD LUCK IN PRISON
>>
>> NOT BEFORE I REPORT YOU TO THE FBI!
>>
> *YAWN*
>
>

COME ON STRAIN A BIT!!!

--
Neil MCNGP #30
the "curious" hair on the soap of society

The
Wed Oct 20 12:07:50 CDT 2004

>COME ON STRAIN A BIT!!!

*** YAWN ***

Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3

Laura
Wed Oct 20 14:20:22 CDT 2004

In article <Xns9587CBDF725Ecatwalker63athotmail@216.196.97.136>, _catwalker63
_@hotmamamail.com says...
> I don't personally recommend posting your resume to a searchable
> database -- too much personal information that can be misused.
>
Most allow you to "anonymize" your resume.

Laura

Mike
Thu Oct 21 14:57:36 CDT 2004


"Doom" <doom_mcngp38@nospam.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:OmR2eYqtEHA.1404@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>
>
> > No flaming MCNGPs please!
> >
> Why would we set ourselves on fire. That's just crazy.
>

Sandy, that waitress I was seeing lost her desire for me
I spoke with her last night
She said she won't set herself on fire for me any more
She worked that joint under the boardwalk
She was always the girl you saw boppin' down the beach with the radio
The kids said last night she was dressed like a star
In one of them cheap little seaside bars
And I saw her makin' out with loverboy out on the Kokomo

--
Mike T.
MCNGP #XLI

poco
Tue Oct 26 17:37:30 CDT 2004

This (below) is the best advice you can get. It isn't easy to do, though. I
went through the same thing about a year ago and worked with a good
placement service, paid for by my former employer. What is written below is
a pretty good synopsis of what they taught.
It does work. I didn't even do it very well, but I'm woirking now.

"catwalker63" <_catwalker63_@hotmamamail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9587D758A95C6catwalker63athotmail@216.196.97.136...
> Some Dude <someone@somewhere.com> prattled ceaslessly in
> news:Xns9587E6C7AE7852781828@toughguy.net:
>
> > catwalker63 <_catwalker63_@hotmamamail.com> wrote in
> > news:Xns9587CBDF725Ecatwalker63athotmail@216.196.97.136:
> >
> Networking is, unfortunately, more complicated than having a few tech
> friends. The best way is to query everyone you know and ask them to come
> up with one or two people you can contact for an information interview.
> It's important not to ask these people for a job, but to come to them for
> information about what they would look for in an incumbant and what you
> can do to make yourself more marketable. Then you ask them to recommend
> 2 or more people and you set up the same type of meeting with them. And
> so on, and so on, etc. etc., working your way to the people who make the
> hiring decision. Eventually you will score, but it may take time. It's
> all who you know so the more people you know, and more importantly, who
> know you, the better chance you have. Make it clear that you are not
> asking for a job and don't do anything during this meeting to make you a
> liar in this respect. Keep the meeting short and show respect and
> appreciation for their time.
>
> Also, get your resume in shape. The old rules for resumes are out so you
> may need to seek out some information about how to make your resume
> current. You'll need to do some research on networking techniques,
> interview skills, and salary negotiation, while you're at it. Get
> together a list of companies you'd like to work for and research them.
> Use your current contacts to try to network your way in to talk with
> hiring managers in an informal informational interview. The best jobs
> are not advertised.
>
> Most importantly, realize this type of work is a constant race to keep
> up. If you are not always learning something new you are going to lose.
>
> Good luck!
>
> --
> Catwalker
> aka Pu$$y Feet
> BS, MCP
>
> "Definitely not wearing any underwear."