OT: Here's some BS

http://michellemalkin.com/2007/09/30/what-happened-to-our-troops-in-oakland/


I don't care how against the war you are, you should still support our
troops. They don't make the policies, they just do the dirty work and
deserve our respect.

CBIC
Tue Oct 02 13:49:55 PDT 2007


"Thor" <spam.me@live.com> wrote in message
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> Sorry, I did not get it.
> I agree with the respect and all, but I do not get it.
> 53

It appears that these soldiers were not allowed to go into the terminal at
the Oakland airport. They had to exit their plane about 400 yards from the
terminal and remain outside. I don't know the reason for this but find it
outrageous that they were treated this way.

Thor
Tue Oct 02 13:29:45 PDT 2007

Sorry, I did not get it.
I agree with the respect and all, but I do not get it.
53

"CBIC" <spam.thisbiotch@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> http://michellemalkin.com/2007/09/30/what-happened-to-our-troops-in-oakland/
>
>
> I don't care how against the war you are, you should still support our
> troops. They don't make the policies, they just do the dirty work and
> deserve our respect.
>

Thor
Tue Oct 02 15:08:25 PDT 2007

"CBIC" <spam.thisbiotch@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Thor" <spam.me@live.com> wrote in message
> news:OhXvAMTBIHA.5652@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Sorry, I did not get it.
>> I agree with the respect and all, but I do not get it.
>> 53
>
> It appears that these soldiers were not allowed to go into the terminal at
> the Oakland airport. They had to exit their plane about 400 yards from the
> terminal and remain outside. I don't know the reason for this but find it
> outrageous that they were treated this way.
>

Yeah, I agree, still I thought this was normal behavior. If the soldiers
were in uniform, that is. Not much to be sensitive about, that's all. Maybe
there are cultural differences here. Myself I would be proud to showcase
soldiers coming home, of course, but a few guys sitting on the grass for a
couple of hours isn't my kind of a news story. Unless, of course, the
treating of the soldiers is a political statement.
53

Brat®
Tue Oct 02 15:11:15 PDT 2007

And from the Canadian front:

http://tinyurl.com/2rfnq4

or

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070928/yellow_support_070928/20070928?hub=Canada

Basically there is a group in New Brunswick that are going door to door
asking people to NOT support our troops!

We support our TROOPS not the government that sent them there... I have a
brother on the way back there AGAIN and 3 uncles who just returned. I have
my veteran plates and my yellow ribbon magnet on my car and I wear my red
support our troops shirt on fridays. I wear my uniform proudly (yes I'm
back in for those that missed it this summer but I am a Cadet officer this
time - I instruct cadets (www.cadets.net)) and I will continue to do so and
I DARE anyone to come to my door and ask/threaten me not to support our men
and women.

No I do not like the war nor do I support the government who sent our
soldiers there but I will DAMN well support them and their families as they
do what they are ordered to do.

There is a HUGE difference between supporting war and supporting troops...
that is why the ribbons say "Support Our Troops" not "Support the War
Effort"... these people are just too damn stuborn and pig headed to hear
what we are saying. I will NOT turn my back on my brother or my uncles
because someone threatened me!

Yeah I'm angry!!


--
Brat® MCNGP # 69

John
Tue Oct 02 15:19:59 PDT 2007


"Thor" <spam.me@live.com> wrote in message
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> Sorry, I did not get it.
> I agree with the respect and all, but I do not get it.
> 53
>
> "CBIC" <spam.thisbiotch@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23I29n2RBIHA.3780@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> http://michellemalkin.com/2007/09/30/what-happened-to-our-troops-in-oakland/
>>
>>
>> I don't care how against the war you are, you should still support our
>> troops. They don't make the policies, they just do the dirty work and
>> deserve our respect.
>>

I agree with Thor. If you read the whole article, you will find...
"The airport received information that the passengers were not TSA-screened"

It seems to me that it was almost reasonable to hold them in the quarantine
area. That, or take them outside the airport if they wanted and let them
come back in through normal security. Maybe the airport should provide a
seperate security area for these soldiers to come back in where they have
metal detectors and baggage screening machines.

Don't get me wrong, I think each and every one of the soldiers in our
services are heroes and I thank them personally when I run into them. But
that does not preclude seeing to it that each and every passenger in the
secure area of an airport is screened.

John R.

Lnkwizard2
Wed Oct 03 07:11:03 PDT 2007

A few points that may have passed you by based on personal
experience and it was contained in the article.

1. The troops and their luggage were screened at their departure
point and then placed in security isolation until they departed the
area. In other words they were checked and then essentially jailed
until they got on the plane.

2. When they were at their layover points at no time did they leave
a secure area. Again their freedom of movement was restricted to areas
where they had no access to "contraband"

3. Any and all weapons present were secured on the aircraft and were
released to the individual troops at their final destination. As you board
the aircraft you check in your weapon to the armorer who then secures it
in a special container. After everyone is on, the container(s) is locked
and
sealed and is not unlocked until you arrive at your final point.

These guys were not a threat and should not have been treated like criminals
just for transiting a minor metropolitan airport. It was some nitwit in the
security
office who had his head jammed in a dark smelly space who wanted to be a
jerk
that caused this as they clearly mentioned that the airport decided to block
them from access.

In addition before it is thrown in my face here is an excerpt with a bit of
commentary:

The airport received information that the passengers were not TSA-screened
at their originating airport and that weapons were on-board the aircraft.
Together with our security partners, the airport made a decision to park
this aircraft at a remote location on the tarmac.

Point A: NO the TSA did not screen them, the US Military did, who
would you rather handle the screening, some underskilled civilian
under pressure to "get those passengers moving" or a well trained
member of the US Military who knows what he is looking for.

Point B: Of course there are weapons on board, these are Marines
for goodness sake. I'd as soon come between a Mama Grizzly bear
and her cubs before I would try and take a Marine's personal weapon,
my chances of survival would be greater. If you don't believe me
ask any US Marine you know about his weapon.

As I said before is was some officious oaf who probably never
served his country who wanted to be beastly to some members of
the military because he doesn't like the war.

Okay, now I am off my soapbox.


"Thor" <spam.me@live.com> wrote in message
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> "CBIC" <spam.thisbiotch@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Thor" <spam.me@live.com> wrote in message
>> news:OhXvAMTBIHA.5652@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> Sorry, I did not get it.
>>> I agree with the respect and all, but I do not get it.
>>> 53
>>
>> It appears that these soldiers were not allowed to go into the terminal
>> at the Oakland airport. They had to exit their plane about 400 yards from
>> the terminal and remain outside. I don't know the reason for this but
>> find it outrageous that they were treated this way.
>>
>
> Yeah, I agree, still I thought this was normal behavior. If the soldiers
> were in uniform, that is. Not much to be sensitive about, that's all.
> Maybe there are cultural differences here. Myself I would be proud to
> showcase soldiers coming home, of course, but a few guys sitting on the
> grass for a couple of hours isn't my kind of a news story. Unless, of
> course, the treating of the soldiers is a political statement.
> 53

Jtyc
Wed Oct 03 07:30:07 PDT 2007

> If you don't believe me
> ask any US Marine you know about his weapon.

I used to sleep with mine. Damn uncomfortable too...

Jtyc
Wed Oct 03 07:36:11 PDT 2007

> Personally, If I saw a few hundred Marines with their weapons in hand in a
> terminal, I'd feel safe. For all I care, they should be allowed to carry
> them anywhere they go. The rule should be this: You p!ss off a Marine,
> he/she has the right to shoot you.

Sounds reasonable.

Frisbee®
Wed Oct 03 07:48:16 PDT 2007

"Jtyc" <yo@respondtothegroup.com> wrote in message
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>> If you don't believe me
>> ask any US Marine you know about his weapon.
>
> I used to sleep with mine. Damn uncomfortable too...

Wouldn't one become worried about nocturnal emissions?

CBIC
Wed Oct 03 07:30:20 PDT 2007


"Lnkwizard2" <lnk.wizard.nodots.2@hot.mail.com> wrote in message
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>A few points that may have passed you by based on personal
> experience and it was contained in the article.

Personally, If I saw a few hundred Marines with their weapons in hand in a
terminal, I'd feel safe. For all I care, they should be allowed to carry
them anywhere they go. The rule should be this: You p!ss off a Marine,
he/she has the right to shoot you.

Thor
Wed Oct 03 09:13:23 PDT 2007

The main thing I learned in the military was that I was a tool.
I guess service in the US is different. This is a good thing.
53

"Lnkwizard2" <lnk.wizard.nodots.2@hot.mail.com> wrote in message
news:usmg9ccBIHA.5160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>A few points that may have passed you by based on personal
> experience and it was contained in the article.
>
> 1. The troops and their luggage were screened at their departure
> point and then placed in security isolation until they departed the
> area. In other words they were checked and then essentially jailed
> until they got on the plane.
>
> 2. When they were at their layover points at no time did they leave
> a secure area. Again their freedom of movement was restricted to areas
> where they had no access to "contraband"
>
> 3. Any and all weapons present were secured on the aircraft and were
> released to the individual troops at their final destination. As you
> board
> the aircraft you check in your weapon to the armorer who then secures it
> in a special container. After everyone is on, the container(s) is locked
> and
> sealed and is not unlocked until you arrive at your final point.
>
> These guys were not a threat and should not have been treated like
> criminals
> just for transiting a minor metropolitan airport. It was some nitwit in
> the security
> office who had his head jammed in a dark smelly space who wanted to be a
> jerk
> that caused this as they clearly mentioned that the airport decided to
> block
> them from access.
>
> In addition before it is thrown in my face here is an excerpt with a bit
> of
> commentary:
>
> The airport received information that the passengers were not TSA-screened
> at their originating airport and that weapons were on-board the aircraft.
> Together with our security partners, the airport made a decision to park
> this aircraft at a remote location on the tarmac.
>
> Point A: NO the TSA did not screen them, the US Military did, who
> would you rather handle the screening, some underskilled civilian
> under pressure to "get those passengers moving" or a well trained
> member of the US Military who knows what he is looking for.
>
> Point B: Of course there are weapons on board, these are Marines
> for goodness sake. I'd as soon come between a Mama Grizzly bear
> and her cubs before I would try and take a Marine's personal weapon,
> my chances of survival would be greater. If you don't believe me
> ask any US Marine you know about his weapon.
>
> As I said before is was some officious oaf who probably never
> served his country who wanted to be beastly to some members of
> the military because he doesn't like the war.
>
> Okay, now I am off my soapbox.
>
>
> "Thor" <spam.me@live.com> wrote in message
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>> "CBIC" <spam.thisbiotch@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> "Thor" <spam.me@live.com> wrote in message
>>> news:OhXvAMTBIHA.5652@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> Sorry, I did not get it.
>>>> I agree with the respect and all, but I do not get it.
>>>> 53
>>>
>>> It appears that these soldiers were not allowed to go into the terminal
>>> at the Oakland airport. They had to exit their plane about 400 yards
>>> from the terminal and remain outside. I don't know the reason for this
>>> but find it outrageous that they were treated this way.
>>>
>>
>> Yeah, I agree, still I thought this was normal behavior. If the soldiers
>> were in uniform, that is. Not much to be sensitive about, that's all.
>> Maybe there are cultural differences here. Myself I would be proud to
>> showcase soldiers coming home, of course, but a few guys sitting on the
>> grass for a couple of hours isn't my kind of a news story. Unless, of
>> course, the treating of the soldiers is a political statement.
>> 53
>
>

kpg*
Wed Oct 03 09:11:19 PDT 2007

"Jtyc" <yo@respondtothegroup.com> wrote in news:u65IOocBIHA.5868
@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl:

>> If you don't believe me
>> ask any US Marine you know about his weapon.
>
> I used to sleep with mine. Damn uncomfortable too...

My rifle is my best friend.

Her name is Charlene.

CBIC
Wed Oct 03 09:44:47 PDT 2007


"Thor" <spam.me@live.com> wrote in message
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> The main thing I learned in the military was that I was a tool.
> I guess service in the US is different. This is a good thing.
> 53

That's pretty much the same in our military. It's just that I have a great
respect for those who served before me, with me, and after me.

kpg*
Wed Oct 03 10:07:53 PDT 2007

"CBIC" <spam.thisbiotch@gmail.com> wrote in
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>
> "Thor" <spam.me@live.com> wrote in message
> news:%23DepZhdBIHA.3548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> The main thing I learned in the military was that I was a tool.
>> I guess service in the US is different. This is a good thing.
>> 53
>
> That's pretty much the same in our military. It's just that I have a
> great respect for those who served before me, with me, and after me.

Yes, you are a cog in the wheel, but that's true at any job.

I specifically joined the Marines because the Army/Air Force/Navy
seemed too large and impersonal. I didn't want to be just a number.

In the Marines I was one of only 2 dozen active duty personnel with
that MOS - I was important to the mission, not irreplaceable, but
important.

Watching the "The WAR" on PBS gives a good perspective on the
"just a tool" concept. Many of theses men went from one bloody
campaign to the next, each time with a high probability that they
would be killed. Most were drafted, and once on the beach you had
little choice but to fight, but that does not in one bit diminish
the courage and sacrifice they were asked to make.

Our current military is all volunteer. Combat or not, theses guys
(and gals) are heroes and deserve our respect. They should be
paraded down the airport concourse so those hapless, detached,
and hopelessly brainwashed civilians could see what real men and
women look like.

OOH-RAH

CBIC
Wed Oct 03 10:24:58 PDT 2007


"kpg*" <no@spam.com> wrote in message
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> Our current military is all volunteer. Combat or not, theses guys
> (and gals) are heroes and deserve our respect. They should be
> paraded down the airport concourse so those hapless, detached,
> and hopelessly brainwashed civilians could see what real men and
> women look like.
>
> OOH-RAH
>

Very well said!

Jtyc
Wed Oct 03 10:57:49 PDT 2007

> We might a Marine out of you yet Private Pile!

might make...




me brain works faster than me fingers...

Briscobar
Wed Oct 03 10:55:22 PDT 2007


"kpg*" <no@spam.com> wrote in message
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>
> Combat or not, theses guys (and gals) are heroes and deserve our respect.

I had a huge reply in place criticizing you for the use of the word "hero",
but in retrospect I think I'd rather not post it. Let me just say that the
word hero is used far too often, and people should stop and think what it
actually means before they label someone a hero. Sometimes it's appropriate,
but many times it is not.


KB

Jtyc
Wed Oct 03 10:53:44 PDT 2007

> Her name is Charlene.

We might a Marine out of you yet Private Pile!

Jtyc
Wed Oct 03 10:56:31 PDT 2007

I prefer to be called a "superstar!".


Or "the man" if you like.






There are some who call me... Tim.

CBIC
Wed Oct 03 11:39:37 PDT 2007


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>
> "kpg*" <no@spam.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns99BE7B7164952ipostthereforeiam@207.46.248.16...
>>
>> Combat or not, theses guys (and gals) are heroes and deserve our respect.
>
> I had a huge reply in place criticizing you for the use of the word
> "hero", but in retrospect I think I'd rather not post it. Let me just say
> that the word hero is used far too often, and people should stop and think
> what it actually means before they label someone a hero. Sometimes it's
> appropriate, but many times it is not.
>
>
We're all entitled to our opinion. Is it safe to assume you were never in
the military? Even though I was, I'd never consider myself a hero, even if I
had seen combat. I do, however, consider anyone else who ever served, a
hero.

CBIC
Wed Oct 03 11:37:10 PDT 2007


"Jtyc" <yo@respondtothegroup.com> wrote in message
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>> Her name is Charlene.
>
> We might a Marine out of you yet Private Pile!

This is my rifle this is my gun

kpg*
Wed Oct 03 11:50:02 PDT 2007

"Briscobar" <youcant@sendmespam.com> wrote in
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>
> "kpg*" <no@spam.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> Combat or not, theses guys (and gals) are heroes and deserve our
>> respect.
>
> I had a huge reply in place criticizing you for the use of the word
> "hero", but in retrospect I think I'd rather not post it. Let me just
> say that the word hero is used far too often, and people should stop
> and think what it actually means before they label someone a hero.
> Sometimes it's appropriate, but many times it is not.
>
>
> KB

he·ro [heer-oh]
noun, plural -roes; -ros.

a man of distinguished courage or ability, admired for his brave deeds and
noble qualities.


I don't see the problem. admired for brave deeds (like signing up knowing
it may result in death or dismemberment, or at the very least getting
shunned at the ariport) or nobel qualities - self explanitory, at least to
me.

kpg*
Wed Oct 03 11:43:30 PDT 2007

"CBIC" <spam.thisbiotch@gmail.com> wrote in news:OCwwpxeBIHA.4476
@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:

>
> "Jtyc" <yo@respondtothegroup.com> wrote in message
> news:O5K4$ZeBIHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> Her name is Charlene.
>>
>> We might a Marine out of you yet Private Pile!
>
> This is my rifle this is my gun

I have fun using both at the same time...


kp "did I say that out loud?" g

kpg*
Wed Oct 03 11:52:36 PDT 2007

"CBIC" <spam.thisbiotch@gmail.com> wrote in
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>
> "Briscobar" <youcant@sendmespam.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "kpg*" <no@spam.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns99BE7B7164952ipostthereforeiam@207.46.248.16...
>>>
>>> Combat or not, theses guys (and gals) are heroes and deserve our
>>> respect.
>>
>> I had a huge reply in place criticizing you for the use of the word
>> "hero", but in retrospect I think I'd rather not post it. Let me just
>> say that the word hero is used far too often, and people should stop
>> and think what it actually means before they label someone a hero.
>> Sometimes it's appropriate, but many times it is not.
>>
>>
> We're all entitled to our opinion. Is it safe to assume you were never
> in the military? Even though I was, I'd never consider myself a hero,
> even if I had seen combat. I do, however, consider anyone else who
> ever served, a hero.

Back to "The War" - a common theme was that even the ones that risked
their lives to save others did not think of themselves as heros. They
were just doing it for their buddies.

Frankly, I prefer my heros to not think of themselves as heros.

Briscobar
Wed Oct 03 12:08:08 PDT 2007

"CBIC" <spam.thisbiotch@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> We're all entitled to our opinion. Is it safe to assume you were never in
> the military?

Correct, I was never in the military. I was close, twice, but I reconsidered
and I'm happy I stayed civilian.

> Even though I was, I'd never consider myself a hero, even if I had seen
> combat. I do, however, consider anyone else who ever served, a hero.

Heroes are made by chance and circumstance - one can't set out to be a hero.
Well, I guess he could, but that's quite narcisisstic. Anyway, a guy who
gets drafted and does the "bare minimum" (he doesn't wear flair!) and just
floats by without seeing or doing anything worthwhile while in the military
is a hero to you? That's someone you look up to and wish you could be? What
I'm saying is I guess there are levels of heroism. The highest level would
probably be someone that directly and unquestionably saves lives. Combat
surgeons. Forrest Gump pulling wounded buddies out of the jungle to safety.
Things like that. If you want to call the guy who does the bare minimum a
hero, at least allow for the fact that he's not quite as heroic as the guy
who risked life and limb to directly influence lives in a postive way.

There's no cut-and-dried criteria for being a hero, so we could argue until
we're blue in the face. But one thing we agree about, fortunately, is that
every single person who serves in any branch of the military, is doing a
noble thing for his country and his fellow citizens. And I thank them all
for doing so.

CBIC
Wed Oct 03 12:28:59 PDT 2007


"Briscobar" <youcant@sendmespam.com> wrote in message
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But one thing we agree about, fortunately, is that
> every single person who serves in any branch of the military, is doing a
> noble thing for his country and his fellow citizens. And I thank them all
> for doing so.
>
>

That's well put. I would agree with that statement. I am a member of the
patriot guard riders (patriotguard.org) and have been on too many funeral
"missions" and too few welcome home "missions". It makes me feel very humble
when the parent or spouse of a fallen hero (yeah, I consider a fallen
soldier a hero) shakes your hand, looks you in the face, with a tear
streaming down their cheek and thanks you for honoring their loved one.
Those "missions" are emotionally draining but worth the small sacrifice to
show honor and respect to our troops.

The welcome home "missions" are a blast but it never fails at every one I've
been to there is at least one soldier that has no one there to greet them. I
always make it a point to shake hands with him/her and let them know I'm
glad they made it home safe.

kpg*
Thu Oct 04 06:00:36 PDT 2007

> I had a huge reply in place criticizing you for the use of the word
> "hero", but in retrospect I think I'd rather not post it. Let me just
> say that the word hero is used far too often, and people should stop
> and think what it actually means before they label someone a hero.
> Sometimes it's appropriate, but many times it is not.

When you're right, you're right. You are my hero.