Hi all. I'm sort of new to this and am considering going for the MCSE.
The web site has a whole lot of usefull info but I just want to know;
bieng new to this, what exactly do I need to get started. I prefer to self
study and then sit for the exam. Also is it better to start with MCSE or MSCA.

Re: Getting MSCE by John

John
Fri Jun 06 14:08:17 CDT 2008


"aantozz" <aantozz@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:4DAB1072-D2F2-479D-9C9A-CD518A1691EA@microsoft.com...
> Hi all. I'm sort of new to this and am considering going for the MCSE.
> The web site has a whole lot of usefull info but I just want to know;
> bieng new to this, what exactly do I need to get started. I prefer to self
> study and then sit for the exam. Also is it better to start with MCSE or
> MSCA.
>

Follow these links...
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcsa/windows2003/default.mspx
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcse/windows2003/default.mspx

You will see that there are basically seven requirements (tests) to earn
MCSE. There are 4 core exams on Server 2003, a client exam, a design exam,
and an elective.

For MCSA there are four requirements, the first two core exams, the client
exam, and most of the electives are all the same, so on the way to MCSE, you
can/will earn MCSA. I think that most people work towards MCSA on their way
to MCSE although nothing says you have to do that.

MCSA and MCSE are two different (but closely related) jobs. MCSA or System
Administrator is just that, manage and maintain system administration. MCSE
or System Engineer is more for people who design and implement networks.

Note that MCSA/MCSE stops at Windows Server 2003. For Windows Server 2008,
there are different (but comparable) certifications called MCITP - System
Administrator and MCITP - Enterprise Administrator.

You can complete these tests in any order, and you can train for them (if
you like) any way that you like. The best training for any of these exams
is going to be experience. You can supplement that with books from MS
Press, or any other number of publishers. Some vendors (like TestOut) make
videos. There are even places you can get classroom training if you like.
It's up to you.

For more information on finding training resources, see
www.microsoft.com/learning. Contact prometric (www.prometric.com) for
information on scheduling a test in your area.

John R


Re: Getting MSCE by Kline

Kline
Fri Jun 06 15:30:33 CDT 2008

>> Hi all. I'm sort of new to this and am considering going for the MCSE.
>> The web site has a whole lot of usefull info but I just want to know;
>> bieng new to this, what exactly do I need to get started. I prefer to self
>> study and then sit for the exam. Also is it better to start with MCSE or
>> MSCA.
>>
>
>Follow yellow brick road

ifypfy

Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3

Re: Getting MSCE by aantozz

aantozz
Fri Jun 06 16:50:04 CDT 2008

Thank you guys. Now that you mentioned 2008 server John, Can I go straight
for the 2008 server without doing the 2003?

"John R" wrote:

>
> "aantozz" <aantozz@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:4DAB1072-D2F2-479D-9C9A-CD518A1691EA@microsoft.com...
> > Hi all. I'm sort of new to this and am considering going for the MCSE.
> > The web site has a whole lot of usefull info but I just want to know;
> > bieng new to this, what exactly do I need to get started. I prefer to self
> > study and then sit for the exam. Also is it better to start with MCSE or
> > MSCA.
> >
>
> Follow these links...
> http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcsa/windows2003/default.mspx
> http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcse/windows2003/default.mspx
>
> You will see that there are basically seven requirements (tests) to earn
> MCSE. There are 4 core exams on Server 2003, a client exam, a design exam,
> and an elective.
>
> For MCSA there are four requirements, the first two core exams, the client
> exam, and most of the electives are all the same, so on the way to MCSE, you
> can/will earn MCSA. I think that most people work towards MCSA on their way
> to MCSE although nothing says you have to do that.
>
> MCSA and MCSE are two different (but closely related) jobs. MCSA or System
> Administrator is just that, manage and maintain system administration. MCSE
> or System Engineer is more for people who design and implement networks.
>
> Note that MCSA/MCSE stops at Windows Server 2003. For Windows Server 2008,
> there are different (but comparable) certifications called MCITP - System
> Administrator and MCITP - Enterprise Administrator.
>
> You can complete these tests in any order, and you can train for them (if
> you like) any way that you like. The best training for any of these exams
> is going to be experience. You can supplement that with books from MS
> Press, or any other number of publishers. Some vendors (like TestOut) make
> videos. There are even places you can get classroom training if you like.
> It's up to you.
>
> For more information on finding training resources, see
> www.microsoft.com/learning. Contact prometric (www.prometric.com) for
> information on scheduling a test in your area.
>
> John R
>
>

Re: Getting MSCE by Yann

Yann
Fri Jun 06 18:12:00 CDT 2008

Sure you can. It's even better if you haven't started yet becoming a MCP, so
you will have a fresh view of the new technology and a big plus on your
resume.

"aantozz" wrote:

> Thank you guys. Now that you mentioned 2008 server John, Can I go straight
> for the 2008 server without doing the 2003?
>
> "John R" wrote:
>
> >
> > "aantozz" <aantozz@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:4DAB1072-D2F2-479D-9C9A-CD518A1691EA@microsoft.com...
> > > Hi all. I'm sort of new to this and am considering going for the MCSE.
> > > The web site has a whole lot of usefull info but I just want to know;
> > > bieng new to this, what exactly do I need to get started. I prefer to self
> > > study and then sit for the exam. Also is it better to start with MCSE or
> > > MSCA.
> > >
> >
> > Follow these links...
> > http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcsa/windows2003/default.mspx
> > http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcse/windows2003/default.mspx
> >
> > You will see that there are basically seven requirements (tests) to earn
> > MCSE. There are 4 core exams on Server 2003, a client exam, a design exam,
> > and an elective.
> >
> > For MCSA there are four requirements, the first two core exams, the client
> > exam, and most of the electives are all the same, so on the way to MCSE, you
> > can/will earn MCSA. I think that most people work towards MCSA on their way
> > to MCSE although nothing says you have to do that.
> >
> > MCSA and MCSE are two different (but closely related) jobs. MCSA or System
> > Administrator is just that, manage and maintain system administration. MCSE
> > or System Engineer is more for people who design and implement networks.
> >
> > Note that MCSA/MCSE stops at Windows Server 2003. For Windows Server 2008,
> > there are different (but comparable) certifications called MCITP - System
> > Administrator and MCITP - Enterprise Administrator.
> >
> > You can complete these tests in any order, and you can train for them (if
> > you like) any way that you like. The best training for any of these exams
> > is going to be experience. You can supplement that with books from MS
> > Press, or any other number of publishers. Some vendors (like TestOut) make
> > videos. There are even places you can get classroom training if you like.
> > It's up to you.
> >
> > For more information on finding training resources, see
> > www.microsoft.com/learning. Contact prometric (www.prometric.com) for
> > information on scheduling a test in your area.
> >
> > John R
> >
> >

Re: Getting MSCE by Lawrence

Lawrence
Fri Jun 06 18:28:00 CDT 2008

>
> "aantozz" wrote:
>
>> Thank you guys. Now that you mentioned 2008 server John, Can I go
>> straight
>> for the 2008 server without doing the 2003?

"Yann" <Yann@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:D59134A1-EA5D-4C65-9F11-09BEEA794165@microsoft.com...
> Sure you can. It's even better if you haven't started yet becoming a MCP,
> so
> you will have a fresh view of the new technology and a big plus on your
> resume.

Keep in mind, however, there is a lot of *NEW* stuff in Windows Server 2008.

If you're relying upon your expertise with Windows Server 2003 (which you
should), then you'll have to put a bit of extra effort into addressing those
capabilities, features, and tools that are new to Windows Server 2008.

Of particular note in the MCITP track is the new exam on Application
Infrastructure, which has never before existed in any Microsoft
certification track. Prevoiusly the MCSE focused on AD, Network
Infrastructure, and general Server Administration -- now you also need to be
competent in Applications Infrastructure (IIS, Terminal Services,
Virtualization).

--
Lawrence Garvin, M.S., MCITP(x2), MCTS(x5), MCP(x7), MCBMSP
Senior Data Architect, APQC, Houston, Texas
Microsoft MVP - Software Distribution (2005-2008)

MS WSUS Website: http://www.microsoft.com/wsus
My Websites: http://www.onsitechsolutions.com;
http://wsusinfo.onsitechsolutions.com
My MVP Profile: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Lawrence.Garvin


Re: Getting MSCE by Kline

Kline
Mon Jun 09 11:11:57 CDT 2008

> a big plus on your
>resume.

just like aids would

Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3

Re: Getting MSCE by kpg

kpg
Mon Jun 09 11:35:53 CDT 2008

=?Utf-8?B?WWFubg==?= <Yann@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
news:D59134A1-EA5D-4C65-9F11-09BEEA794165@microsoft.com:

> Sure you can. It's even better if you haven't started yet becoming a
> MCP, so you will have a fresh view of the new technology and a big
> plus on your resume.

Happy belated PotD


Re: Getting MSCE by OTHMAN

OTHMAN
Mon Jun 09 11:56:01 CDT 2008

"Yann" wrote:

> Sure you can. It's even better if you haven't started yet becoming a MCP, so
> you will have a fresh view of the new technology and a big plus on your
> resume.
>
> "aantozz" wrote:
>
> > Thank you guys. Now that you mentioned 2008 server John, Can I go straight
> > for the 2008 server without doing the 2003?
> >
> > "John R" wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > "aantozz" <aantozz@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > > news:4DAB1072-D2F2-479D-9C9A-CD518A1691EA@microsoft.com...
> > > > Hi all. I'm sort of new to this and am considering going for the MCSE.
> > > > The web site has a whole lot of usefull info but I just want to know;
> > > > bieng new to this, what exactly do I need to get started. I prefer to self
> > > > study and then sit for the exam. Also is it better to start with MCSE or
> > > > MSCA.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Follow these links...
> > > http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcsa/windows2003/default.mspx
> > > http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcse/windows2003/default.mspx
> > >
> > > You will see that there are basically seven requirements (tests) to earn
> > > MCSE. There are 4 core exams on Server 2003, a client exam, a design exam,
> > > and an elective.
> > >
> > > For MCSA there are four requirements, the first two core exams, the client
> > > exam, and most of the electives are all the same, so on the way to MCSE, you
> > > can/will earn MCSA. I think that most people work towards MCSA on their way
> > > to MCSE although nothing says you have to do that.
> > >
> > > MCSA and MCSE are two different (but closely related) jobs. MCSA or System
> > > Administrator is just that, manage and maintain system administration. MCSE
> > > or System Engineer is more for people who design and implement networks.
> > >
> > > Note that MCSA/MCSE stops at Windows Server 2003. For Windows Server 2008,
> > > there are different (but comparable) certifications called MCITP - System
> > > Administrator and MCITP - Enterprise Administrator.
> > >
> > > You can complete these tests in any order, and you can train for them (if
> > > you like) any way that you like. The best training for any of these exams
> > > is going to be experience. You can supplement that with books from MS
> > > Press, or any other number of publishers. Some vendors (like TestOut) make
> > > videos. There are even places you can get classroom training if you like.
> > > It's up to you.
> > >
> > > For more information on finding training resources, see
> > > www.microsoft.com/learning. Contact prometric (www.prometric.com) for
> > > information on scheduling a test in your area.
> > >
> > > John R
> > >

not bad

Re: Getting MSCE by Kline

Kline
Mon Jun 09 12:48:48 CDT 2008

>> Sure you can. It's even better if you haven't started yet becoming a
>> MCP, so you will have a fresh view of the new technology and a big
>> plus on your resume.
>
>Happy belated PotD

sure made me laugh!

Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3

RE: Getting MSCE by aantozz

aantozz
Tue Jun 10 13:36:03 CDT 2008

Thanks guys. I've been reading that most employers don't actually look at the
new certifications like the 2008 server yet and that is what has also got me
concerned about going straight for it or just starting with the 2003 then
doing the exam to upgrade to 2008.
Anybody know a good book for self study I could use?

Re: Getting MSCE by Lawrence

Lawrence
Tue Jun 10 21:01:58 CDT 2008

"aantozz" <aantozz@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:45A2FB3F-D174-4D8E-BC4E-536EA06283DA@microsoft.com...
> Thanks guys. I've been reading that most employers don't actually look at
> the
> new certifications like the 2008 server yet and that is what has also got
> me
> concerned about going straight for it or just starting with the 2003 then
> doing the exam to upgrade to 2008.

Employers who are specifically looking for experience and certifications on
=Windows 2008= will be familiar with what they're looking for.

Employers who don't have a clue and are just looking for letters as an
indication of skill and expertise are probably better left alone.

You'll be able to tell the difference in the interview. Those in the former
category will actually have a clue; those in the latter won't == about
anything!

Those in the former category will also likely already have a Windows Server
2008 system deployed, in testing, or will be specifically asking you about
your experience with such.

When in doubt whether a prospective employer understands your
certifications,
start by asking them if they have any of that product actually deployed,
or what their timeframe is for getting one deployed.

If they have no plans for putting a Windows Server 2008 system into
production,
they probably don't have a clue about the value of the certifications.

> Anybody know a good book for self study I could use?

Right now Windows Server 2008 books are in short supply. I used Mitch
Tullich's "Introducing Windows Server 2008" (MSPress) -- and possibly still
available from Microsoft eLearning as a free download. I also used the
Microsoft eLearning courseware for Windows Server 2008. But, by far, the
*best* source, currently, is the Windows Server 2008 Technical Library
(FREE) at
http://technet2.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/library/bab0f1a1-54aa-4cef-9164-139e8bcc44751033.mspx


As to the question of 2003 vs 2008 -- you need to make that choice based
upon yourself, and yourself only.

[1] Where is your =experience=. If you've never laid hands on a Windows
Server 2008 system, I'd suggest first documenting your actual experience
with the Windows Server 2003 certs (and the MCSA).

[2] Where do you want to =work=. If you want to leverage your experience
=and= certs and be hired into the top of the totem pole in a solid Win2003
shop, then the Win2008 certs won't be of much use to you at this point --
unless you already have the MCSE.

If you're specifically looking for a job in a Windows Server 2008 shop, then
hit the books, learn the product backwards and forwards, and go take the
tests. If you're an MCITP:SA and interviewing with a shop eager to deploy
Windows Server 2008 systems... they *will* know the certs they're interested
in seeking out (and they'll know an MCSE won't be much help if they're
looking to deploy any of those NEW Windows Server 2008 features). (And, to
repeat myself, if they don't appear to know that -- then run in the other
direction as fast as you can. The last thing you want to be is 3 months into
a job with an employer who doesn't have a clue about what's involved in
deploying new server technologies -- or why they'd be doing it.)






--
Lawrence Garvin, M.S., MCITP(x2), MCTS(x5), MCP(x7), MCBMSP
Senior Data Architect, APQC, Houston, Texas
Microsoft MVP - Software Distribution (2005-2008)

MS WSUS Website: http://www.microsoft.com/wsus
My Websites: http://www.onsitechsolutions.com;
http://wsusinfo.onsitechsolutions.com
My MVP Profile: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Lawrence.Garvin


Re: Getting MSCE by aantozz

aantozz
Wed Jun 11 10:33:02 CDT 2008

What you said does make a whole lotta sence Lawrence.
thanks

"Lawrence Garvin" wrote:

> "aantozz" <aantozz@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:45A2FB3F-D174-4D8E-BC4E-536EA06283DA@microsoft.com...
> > Thanks guys. I've been reading that most employers don't actually look at
> > the
> > new certifications like the 2008 server yet and that is what has also got
> > me
> > concerned about going straight for it or just starting with the 2003 then
> > doing the exam to upgrade to 2008.
>
> Employers who are specifically looking for experience and certifications on
> =Windows 2008= will be familiar with what they're looking for.
>
> Employers who don't have a clue and are just looking for letters as an
> indication of skill and expertise are probably better left alone.
>
> You'll be able to tell the difference in the interview. Those in the former
> category will actually have a clue; those in the latter won't == about
> anything!
>
> Those in the former category will also likely already have a Windows Server
> 2008 system deployed, in testing, or will be specifically asking you about
> your experience with such.
>
> When in doubt whether a prospective employer understands your
> certifications,
> start by asking them if they have any of that product actually deployed,
> or what their timeframe is for getting one deployed.
>
> If they have no plans for putting a Windows Server 2008 system into
> production,
> they probably don't have a clue about the value of the certifications.
>
> > Anybody know a good book for self study I could use?
>
> Right now Windows Server 2008 books are in short supply. I used Mitch
> Tullich's "Introducing Windows Server 2008" (MSPress) -- and possibly still
> available from Microsoft eLearning as a free download. I also used the
> Microsoft eLearning courseware for Windows Server 2008. But, by far, the
> *best* source, currently, is the Windows Server 2008 Technical Library
> (FREE) at
> http://technet2.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008/en/library/bab0f1a1-54aa-4cef-9164-139e8bcc44751033.mspx
>
>
> As to the question of 2003 vs 2008 -- you need to make that choice based
> upon yourself, and yourself only.
>
> [1] Where is your =experience=. If you've never laid hands on a Windows
> Server 2008 system, I'd suggest first documenting your actual experience
> with the Windows Server 2003 certs (and the MCSA).
>
> [2] Where do you want to =work=. If you want to leverage your experience
> =and= certs and be hired into the top of the totem pole in a solid Win2003
> shop, then the Win2008 certs won't be of much use to you at this point --
> unless you already have the MCSE.
>
> If you're specifically looking for a job in a Windows Server 2008 shop, then
> hit the books, learn the product backwards and forwards, and go take the
> tests. If you're an MCITP:SA and interviewing with a shop eager to deploy
> Windows Server 2008 systems... they *will* know the certs they're interested
> in seeking out (and they'll know an MCSE won't be much help if they're
> looking to deploy any of those NEW Windows Server 2008 features). (And, to
> repeat myself, if they don't appear to know that -- then run in the other
> direction as fast as you can. The last thing you want to be is 3 months into
> a job with an employer who doesn't have a clue about what's involved in
> deploying new server technologies -- or why they'd be doing it.)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Lawrence Garvin, M.S., MCITP(x2), MCTS(x5), MCP(x7), MCBMSP
> Senior Data Architect, APQC, Houston, Texas
> Microsoft MVP - Software Distribution (2005-2008)
>
> MS WSUS Website: http://www.microsoft.com/wsus
> My Websites: http://www.onsitechsolutions.com;
> http://wsusinfo.onsitechsolutions.com
> My MVP Profile: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Lawrence.Garvin
>

Re: Getting MSCE by warpwon

warpwon
Sat Jun 14 05:06:33 CDT 2008

On Jun 6, 7:19 pm, aantozz <aant...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> Hi all. I'm sort of new to this and am considering going for the MCSE.
> The web site has a whole lot of usefull info but I just want to know;
> bieng new to this, what exactly do I need to get started. I prefer to self
> study and then sit for the exam. Also is it better to start with MCSE or MSCA.

i am mcse. i use library & books & becum mcse very well.