Frigging Power Management

Yesterday I spent a few hours installing XP on a laptop and set about
down loading all the patches and drivers I needed. On the second
partition of the machine I intended to stick a Linux distro and so set
about downloading the DVD ISO for Fedora Core 5. Now knowing this would
take an hour or so, I figured I'd step out for a bite to eat with my
good lady.

On return from a lovely meal, I went to check that the download was
complete, only to find the machine had powered down into standby.
MOTHERFU=80K=A3R %#@$ $*#=A3" #& &^* =A3$#$$ =A3&*^

Even although the user is not there moving the mouse or typing stuff
in; Why the hell is XP's power management not aware of the fact, the
network card and hard drive are going ballistic?

I HATE power management. NEVER turn off my hard drive. I will turn of
my computer when I am 60D-D@M good and ready! Actually, I hate
all-things automagic. I hate autostart applications, if I want an
application to launch; I will launch it.

But seriously, Microsoft should really review the power management
stuff. I hope vista fixed this. But I get the impression that it is
even *more* automagic. I'm yet to find out, because I don't have a
MSDN subscription, nobody invited me, and I don't believe in pirates.


None the less, Microsoft has released Windows Vista Beta 2 to the
peasants. It can be got at via
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/en-gb/preview.mspx . I'm off to
download the DVD ISO. But first I'm going to throttle that power
management applet.

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Cerebrus
Thu Jun 15 05:35:39 CDT 2006


Thus spake LoopBack :

> On return from a lovely meal, I went to check that the download was
> complete, only to find the machine had powered down into standby.
> MOTHERFU=80K=A3R %#@$ $*#=A3" #& &^* =A3$#$$ =A3&*^

Hmm... Happened a few times to me as well. So, I always disable that
Power Management thingy after a fresh install of XP. BTW, you must have
*some* internet connection to download a DVD iso in an hour !!! It
would take me about a month to do the same.<jealous...........grrr...>

> Even although the user is not there moving the mouse or typing stuff
> in; Why the hell is XP's power management not aware of the fact, the
> network card and hard drive are going ballistic?

Well, maybe XP thinks that the only thing that uses up the power is the
continually pestering user. The moment the user is away, it breathes a
sigh of relief and powers down. ;-)

> and I don't believe in pirates.

and I don't believe in the Tooth fairy, either.

LoopBack
Thu Jun 15 06:01:59 CDT 2006


Cerebrus wrote:
> BTW, you must have
> *some* internet connection to download a DVD iso in an hour !!! It
> would take me about a month to do the same.<jealous...........grrr...>

Takes a wee bit more than that when you fu$k up your power management.

10Mb unlimited download. :-P

JaR
Thu Jun 15 10:24:37 CDT 2006

"LoopBack" <mr.mork@gmail.com> wrote in news:1150364197.640133.221400
@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:

> None the less, Microsoft has released Windows Vista Beta 2 to the
> peasants. It can be got at via
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/en-gb/preview.mspx . I'm off to
> download the DVD ISO.

Hope you don't have a fscking Dull Uninspiron with Intel 845 graphics.

In fact, your notebook better have a monster video card and a gig of RAM,
at least. Vista is the worst memory hog I've ever had the misfortune to
play with. Hopefully this latest beta will be better. I've got it sitting
at home, but I don't have a machine to load it on.

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LoopBack
Thu Jun 15 11:09:48 CDT 2006


> Hope you don't have a fscking Dull Uninspiron with Intel 845 graphics.
>
> In fact, your notebook better have a monster video card and a gig of RAM,
> at least. Vista is the worst memory hog I've ever had the misfortune to
> play with. Hopefully this latest beta will be better. I've got it sitting
> at home, but I don't have a machine to load it on.
>
> --
> JaR
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> Remove hat to reply
> Abandon hope, all ye who enter here.

It's a 1.7GHz vaio laptop with an nvidia 6200... not got my hopes up
though. When I installed XP onto it, with nothing else, it ran so
sweet. It was lightning quick. Then I installed SP2. :-( Then I
installed Norton antivirus :-((. Then I installed office :-(((

I remember when I moved from a 286 running 25MHz with 4Mb to a 450MHz
Pentium III, with 128Mb of ram. That was the biz, then I installed XP
:-((((((((((((((((((((((((((

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MitchS
Thu Jun 15 11:09:08 CDT 2006

"JaR" <lakabuxderby@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hopefully this latest beta will be better. I've got it sitting
> at home, but I don't have a machine to load it on.

I've got an extra PIII 500 128 MB of RAM and 32 mb video I'll rent you.
It's even got a 10 Gig HDD. High speed screamin machine!

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JaR
Thu Jun 15 11:39:35 CDT 2006

"LoopBack" <mr.mork@gmail.com> wrote in news:1150387788.247101.55460
@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com:

> It's a 1.7GHz vaio laptop with an nvidia 6200... not got my hopes up
> though.

I tried installing one of the first builds of Vista on the aforementioned
Dull. It's a 2.2Ghz Celeron with 768 Megs of RAM. It took a couple of hours
to install, and then I could't get the video to work. Then I found out that
neither MS nor Dell was gonna be writing drivers for the Intel 845 video
chipsets that are in those Ispirons. Maybe I'll win a lottery or something
and be able to buy a new lappy like the Rev's and put Vista on it;-)

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Neil
Thu Jun 15 11:57:25 CDT 2006

did you hear "MitchS" <firstinitlastname@nospam.gmail.com> say in
news:eAVmIYJkGHA.2436@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:

> I've got an extra PIII 500 128 MB of RAM and 32 mb video I'll rent you.
> It's even got a 10 Gig HDD. High speed screamin machine!
>

I will see your POS and raise you my Acer PowerMate P2 MMX 233Mhz 64Mb Ram,
4Gb HDD and SHARED VIDEO!

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JaR
Thu Jun 15 12:41:10 CDT 2006

Neil <guess!!!@gmail.com> wrote in
news:Xns97E383CE1AE8Aneilmcsegmailcom@207.46.248.16:

>> I've got an extra PIII 500 128 MB of RAM and 32 mb video I'll rent
>> you. It's even got a 10 Gig HDD. High speed screamin machine!
>>
>
> I will see your POS and raise you my Acer PowerMate P2 MMX 233Mhz 64Mb
> Ram, 4Gb HDD and SHARED VIDEO!

Oh crap, if we're going backwards, I've still got a 486 with 8 megs of RAM
and 640 meg hard drive that runs just fine. Even got the way kewl 12"
monochrome monitor for it

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Neil
Thu Jun 15 13:41:46 CDT 2006

did you hear JaR <lakabuxderby@gmail.com> say in
news:Xns97E36CB44645Fonlyifabsolutelynece@207.46.248.16:

> Neil <guess!!!@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:Xns97E383CE1AE8Aneilmcsegmailcom@207.46.248.16:
>
>>> I've got an extra PIII 500 128 MB of RAM and 32 mb video I'll rent
>>> you. It's even got a 10 Gig HDD. High speed screamin machine!
>>>
>>
>> I will see your POS and raise you my Acer PowerMate P2 MMX 233Mhz
>> 64Mb Ram, 4Gb HDD and SHARED VIDEO!
>
> Oh crap, if we're going backwards, I've still got a 486 with 8 megs of
> RAM and 640 meg hard drive that runs just fine. Even got the way kewl
> 12" monochrome monitor for it
>

I WILL NOT DIG OUT MY CHOPAQ PORTABLE DUAL FLOUPY JUST TO MAKE YOU
HAPPY!! (it has a lovely AST 6pak card in it)

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JaR
Thu Jun 15 14:05:29 CDT 2006

Neil <guess!!!@gmail.com> wrote in news:Xns97E3957F28573neilmcsegmailcom@
207.46.248.16:

>>> I will see your POS and raise you my Acer PowerMate P2 MMX 233Mhz
>>> 64Mb Ram, 4Gb HDD and SHARED VIDEO!
>>
>> Oh crap, if we're going backwards, I've still got a 486 with 8 megs of
>> RAM and 640 meg hard drive that runs just fine. Even got the way kewl
>> 12" monochrome monitor for it
>>
>
> I WILL NOT DIG OUT MY CHOPAQ PORTABLE DUAL FLOUPY JUST TO MAKE YOU
> HAPPY!! (it has a lovely AST 6pak card in it)

I woulda had you beat, but my first computer got chopped up for firewood
one night when it got real cold and the mainspring froze and we couldn't
afford more kerosene for the monitor anyway. Back in those days we useta
have to carve our own RAM outta big hunks of silicon that were dug up and
shipped in from that there valley in California, and we ripped our
floppies outta a Sears catalog.

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Neil
Thu Jun 15 21:17:30 CDT 2006

did you hear JaR <lakabuxderby@gmail.com> say in
news:Xns97E37B000614Conlyifabsolutelynece@207.46.248.16:

> and we ripped our
> floppies outta a Sears catalog.
>

now I know yer lieing. Sears has catalogs?

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MitchS
Fri Jun 16 08:13:17 CDT 2006

"Neil" <guess!!!@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97E383CE1AE8Aneilmcsegmailcom@207.46.248.16...
> did you hear "MitchS" <firstinitlastname@nospam.gmail.com> say in
> news:eAVmIYJkGHA.2436@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:
>
>> I've got an extra PIII 500 128 MB of RAM and 32 mb video I'll rent you.
>> It's even got a 10 Gig HDD. High speed screamin machine!
>>
>
> I will see your POS and raise you my Acer PowerMate P2 MMX 233Mhz 64Mb
> Ram,
> 4Gb HDD and SHARED VIDEO!

OK I did not want to do this but I'll raise you a Packard Bell P100 8Mb RAM
1.08 gig HD and 4 MB video.

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Neil
Fri Jun 16 08:53:24 CDT 2006

did you hear "MitchS" <firstinitlastname@nospam.gmail.com> say in
news:u10f$aUkGHA.4212@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:

> OK I did not want to do this but I'll raise you a Packard Bell P100
> 8Mb RAM 1.08 gig HD and 4 MB video.

you did read that thing about the Compaq Portable (not port+, or
PortII...PORTABLE [my friggin eye it's portable])?

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MitchS
Fri Jun 16 09:08:15 CDT 2006

"Neil" <guess!!!@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97E4649B41AB9neilmcsegmailcom@207.46.248.16...
> did you hear "MitchS" <firstinitlastname@nospam.gmail.com> say in
> news:u10f$aUkGHA.4212@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:
>
>> OK I did not want to do this but I'll raise you a Packard Bell P100
>> 8Mb RAM 1.08 gig HD and 4 MB video.
>
> you did read that thing about the Compaq Portable (not port+, or
> PortII...PORTABLE [my friggin eye it's portable])?

Yes but I get points for the brand.

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Jtyc
Fri Jun 16 09:24:48 CDT 2006

> Yes but I get points for the brand.

You say that like it was bad or something...

LoopBack
Fri Jun 16 09:48:33 CDT 2006


Jtyc wrote:
> > Yes but I get points for the brand.
>
> You say that like it was bad or something...

I'm sure my dad has an old tandy computer somewhere. The only Vista
minimum requirement that meets is, that it uses electricity.

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Neil
Fri Jun 16 09:50:22 CDT 2006

did you hear "MitchS" <firstinitlastname@nospam.gmail.com> say in
news:eM6Nt5UkGHA.2280@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:

> Yes but I get points for the brand.

shall we mention Osbourne PCs? Or how about we just invoke the name of
Sinclair and be done with it.

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JaR
Fri Jun 16 10:27:55 CDT 2006

"MitchS" <firstinitlastname@nospam.gmail.com> wrote in
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> Yes but I get points for the brand.

Only if it still works.
.
.
.
.
.
.
!!!"still works"!!!

LOLOL!!!

Packard Hells didn't work when they were new!

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Jtyc
Fri Jun 16 11:00:00 CDT 2006

> Only if it still works.
> .
> !!!"still works"!!!
>
> LOLOL!!!
>
> Packard Hells didn't work when they were new!

That is a false statement sir. Those systems ran fine for the most part.
The problems came in when it was time to fix them.


That and the users were Walmart shoppers...

JaR
Fri Jun 16 11:21:37 CDT 2006

"Jtyc" <yo@respondtothegroup.com> wrote in
news:e4d$Z3VkGHA.4660@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:

>>
>> Packard Hells didn't work when they were new!
>
> That is a false statement sir. Those systems ran fine for the most
> part. The problems came in when it was time to fix them.
>
>

The first one I bought had a bad sound card. The second card that
replaced it failed as well.

The P.H. that replaced the first box after I retuned it, crashed
intermittently for about three weeks until the hard drive failed
completely.

The box that replaced the second one[1] also had a bad sound card, which
was replaced and ran fine for about six months, at which point the power
supply failed.

But that wasn't the worst part. The worst part was the hours spent on
hold to "tech support". In fact, on the last box, I never even bothered
to try and get the warranty to cover the failed parts, I just replaced
them myself.

> That and the users were Walmart shoppers...

I bought mine at Sears, TYVM!


[1] a considerable upgrade from the original purchase to a 166 P1 with a
1.5Gig HD and 32 megs of RAM and Win95 installed IIRC, as I had
threatened to just get my money back and go buy a Dell.

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Jtyc
Fri Jun 16 11:41:13 CDT 2006

> The first one I bought had a bad sound card. The second card that
> replaced it failed as well.

Ah.. probably an Aztec. They were ok but the drivers could be... finicky.


> But that wasn't the worst part. The worst part was the hours spent on
> hold to "tech support". In fact, on the last box, I never even bothered
> to try and get the warranty to cover the failed parts, I just replaced
> them myself.

I still believe that the massive hold times were directly proportional to
the "Walmart" users that were being supported. If you can imagine the users
you support right now, only millions of them, that's what PB was facing for
a long time.


> I bought mine at Sears, TYVM!

Exacry.

JaR
Fri Jun 16 12:05:50 CDT 2006

"Jtyc" <yo@respondtothegroup.com> wrote in
news:#5h5bOWkGHA.5036@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:

>> replaced it failed as well.
>
> Ah.. probably an Aztec. They were ok but the drivers could be...
> finicky.
>

Yup. That was it. Dunno 'bout drivers, they sent a tech out and just
replaced the first one.
>

>
> I still believe that the massive hold times were directly proportional
> to the "Walmart" users that were being supported. If you can imagine
> the users you support right now, only millions of them, that's what PB
> was facing for a long time.
>
>

Yes well that was hardly the buyers fault. Failure to adequately plan and
provide support staff for anticipated sales is fsckwitted. They went into
the market with a cheap product and sold millions of machines, without
considering the monumental support that would be required. Then, when the
whole tower of cards began to topple, they took their money and ran.

Pretty typical for a successful business these days, actually.

>> I bought mine at Sears, TYVM!
>
> Exacry.

That was the only good part. Sears, unlike most retailers, will give your
money back or exchange the product if you're not happy with it. so I
ended up going from a fairly basic system to a real top-of-the-line
computer for the day by the time I got the third one, they kept upgrading
me to avoid returning my money ;-D

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MitchS
Fri Jun 16 12:33:11 CDT 2006

"JaR" <lakabuxderby@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Jtyc" <yo@respondtothegroup.com> wrote in
> news:e4d$Z3VkGHA.4660@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:
>
>>>
>>> Packard Hells didn't work when they were new!
>>
>> That is a false statement sir. Those systems ran fine for the most
>> part. The problems came in when it was time to fix them.
>>
>>
>
> The first one I bought had a bad sound card. The second card that
> replaced it failed as well.
<bad memories snipped>

My first pc at 15 was a PH that I've already described and having no prior
experience I agreed to the Tech Support diagnosis of format and reinstall
but neglected to notice they had not given me a recovery cd or OS cd. On
the bright side it only took 6-8 weeks to get my replacement disc in the
mail. I guess that bunch of crap started my life's mission of never calling
tech support again. Bastiges.

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Jtyc
Fri Jun 16 13:56:51 CDT 2006

> but neglected to notice they had not given me a recovery cd or OS cd. On
> the bright side it only took 6-8 weeks to get my replacement disc in the
> mail. I guess that bunch of crap started my life's mission of never
> calling tech support again. Bastiges.

Your first fix for one of these systems is to remove all software and start
with a clean OS install.

MitchS
Fri Jun 16 14:12:35 CDT 2006


"Jtyc" <yo@respondtothegroup.com> wrote in message
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>> but neglected to notice they had not given me a recovery cd or OS cd. On
>> the bright side it only took 6-8 weeks to get my replacement disc in the
>> mail. I guess that bunch of crap started my life's mission of never
>> calling tech support again. Bastiges.
>
> Your first fix for one of these systems is to remove all software and
> start with a clean OS install.

What irony, it usually still is. It is usually faster than tracking down
the Windows gremlins anyway.

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Jtyc
Fri Jun 16 14:18:10 CDT 2006

> What irony, it usually still is. It is usually faster than tracking down
> the Windows gremlins anyway.

Well PB shipped it's systems with a plethora of free software that caused
many problems for the users. It was to much in my opinion.

MitchS
Fri Jun 16 14:21:03 CDT 2006

"Jtyc" <yo@respondtothegroup.com> wrote in message
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>> What irony, it usually still is. It is usually faster than tracking down
>> the Windows gremlins anyway.
>
> Well PB shipped it's systems with a plethora of free software that caused
> many problems for the users. It was to much in my opinion.

Yeah, mine even came with a remote that worked once or twice. The idea was
nice but the tech wasn't

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Jtyc
Fri Jun 16 14:40:45 CDT 2006

> Yeah, mine even came with a remote that worked once or twice. The idea
> was nice but the tech wasn't

This is what happens when you let your marketing department run the show.

JaR
Fri Jun 16 14:53:41 CDT 2006

"Jtyc" <yo@respondtothegroup.com> wrote in news:#KJiJmXkGHA.836
@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:

> PB shipped it's systems with a plethora of useless software

Iffy-Piffy. Like Navigator.

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Fri Jun 16 22:24:35 CDT 2006

did you hear "MitchS" <firstinitlastname@nospam.gmail.com> say in
news:enn0drWkGHA.3816@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:

> My first pc at 15 was a PH...

i hate you...

*shuffles away on his walker*

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Mon Jun 19 08:11:16 CDT 2006


"MitchS" <firstinitlastname@nospam.gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "JaR" <lakabuxderby@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns97E45F3747643onlyifabsolutelynece@207.46.248.16...
>> "Jtyc" <yo@respondtothegroup.com> wrote in
>> news:e4d$Z3VkGHA.4660@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:
>>
>>>>
>>>> Packard Hells didn't work when they were new!
>>>
>>> That is a false statement sir. Those systems ran fine for the most
>>> part. The problems came in when it was time to fix them.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> The first one I bought had a bad sound card. The second card that
>> replaced it failed as well.
> <bad memories snipped>
>
> My first pc at 15 was a PH that I've already described
>
Jeez, my first system was a clone, the Lazer XT,
512 K RAM, 5 /12 360K floppy, no 3/12 floppy
10 Mb Hard drive and I purchased an external
300 bps modem so I could go online. Oh, and the
CPU clock was 4.77 Mhz.

I purchased at Sears and I was 30 at the time.