Found out MCSE will be faced out in 2008. whats the alternative th

am interested in going into IT by taking a course in MCSE and getting
certified but i found out MCSE will be faced out in 2008. can someone please
let me know what alternative certification is out there which is equivalent
to the MCSE.
Thanks
Jay.

The
Fri Apr 20 08:17:45 CDT 2007

While the MCSE wil not expire itself it is true you will no longer be able
to sertify on the MCE Platform, however by the years end (2007) you will see
many new MCTS and MCITP certifications for the newer technlogies such as
Longhorn.

--
.rev

"It is the mark of an educated man to be able to entertain a thought without
accepting it"
~Aristotle
.
"jay21" <jay21@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:F9BA942B-899D-49C9-A00D-AF115D198654@microsoft.com...
> am interested in going into IT by taking a course in MCSE and getting
> certified but i found out MCSE will be faced out in 2008. can someone
> please
> let me know what alternative certification is out there which is
> equivalent
> to the MCSE.
> Thanks
> Jay.

kpg
Fri Apr 20 08:25:27 CDT 2007

=?Utf-8?B?amF5MjE=?= <jay21@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
news:F9BA942B-899D-49C9-A00D-AF115D198654@microsoft.com:

> am interested in going into IT by taking a course in MCSE and getting
> certified but i found out MCSE will be faced out in 2008. can someone
> please let me know what alternative certification is out there which
> is equivalent to the MCSE.
> Thanks
> Jay.
>

1) You do not "take a course" to become an MCSE. You work in the field
in an appropriate environment for at least 2 years while studying, then
you take the tests to demonstrate your knowledge.

2) MCSE is not being faced out.

3) Alternate certifications, as in what MS is offering to supercede the
classic MCSE can be found on MS's website. Which brings up point 4.

4) Research skills are a prerequisite to a career in IT.

YMMV
HTH,HAND
0x22

Matt
Fri Apr 20 09:08:02 CDT 2007

I'm just curious as to what the hell your talking about FACED out. As opposed
to faced in? Whats the MCSE looking at. I have not heard anything about the
MCSE being phased out in 2008. And if it is I dont think it matters what
direction it is looking. Maybe it will be facing you huddled down with fear
in its eyes screaming NOOOO don't phase me out I have so much to live for. Or
maybe not.


--
Matt
A+, MCP, and MCDST


"jay21" wrote:

> am interested in going into IT by taking a course in MCSE and getting
> certified but i found out MCSE will be faced out in 2008. can someone please
> let me know what alternative certification is out there which is equivalent
> to the MCSE.
> Thanks
> Jay.

Consultant
Fri Apr 20 09:12:20 CDT 2007

i am happy to announce that the mcngp will not be phased out, so don't worry


"jay21" <jay21@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:F9BA942B-899D-49C9-A00D-AF115D198654@microsoft.com...
> am interested in going into IT by taking a course in MCSE and getting
> certified but i found out MCSE will be faced out in 2008. can someone
> please
> let me know what alternative certification is out there which is
> equivalent
> to the MCSE.
> Thanks
> Jay.

LarryWest-at-hotmail-dot-com>
Fri Apr 20 10:12:04 CDT 2007

Regarding the phasing out of MCSE:

What has happened is that in a webcast exclusively for MCP's, Microsoft
announced that it was phasing out some exams on March 30, 2008. These exams
include all of the exams for the required portions of MCSA 2000 and MCSE 2000
- not MCSE or MCSA 2003. I listed the exams in this newsgroup in a posting
sometime late last month - generally all exams from 70-210 through 70-232 and
a few others.

The last day for the 292 and 296 exams [upgrading from 2000 to 2003] are
also March 30, 2008. The 290, 291, 293, and 294 exams are NOT being
discontinued at this time.

However, that webcast was the only place that Microsoft announced their
discontinuation.
According to their own rules (which of course, they are allowed to change at
a whim), there must be a year in advance announcement through their MSDN
e-mails and on their web site.
They have not put the discontinuation notices there yet, thus I don't think
the exams will be discontinued on March 30, 2008 as announced in the webcast.
[I do not work for Microsoft (yet), so I could be wrong.]

Nevertheless, the 2003 exams are and will continue to be available way into
2008 and possibly 2009 (and maybe 2010) as well.
If you are just starting, and want the MCSE, I would start with the required
exams first (70-290, 70-291, 70-293, 70-294, and one other from a specified
list on the Microsoft website), since some of the two required elective exams
will still be available even after the required exams are retired. Plus, even
if they are all retired, you could still use some selected CompTIA exams as
electives.

The advantage of the MCSE over the newer MCTS and MCITP is that the MCSE is
a lifetime certification, whereas the MCTS and MCITP only last for three
years before expiring. There are certain MCTS exams that are also electives
for the MCSE, so I would plan my electives around that. I would assume (and
hope) that just because an MCTS certification expires, the fact that the exam
was also used as an elective for MCSA or MCSE doesn't make the MCSA or MCSE
expired.

Will one of the Microsoft people who monitor this newsgroup let me know if
what I said is correct or not?

P.S. to Jay21: To answer your question, there is no one all-encompasing
certification that replaces or is equivalent to the MCSE. Microsoft has
created several MCTS certifications which take one or two exams. Thus, if you
have seven MCTS's [out of the current 17], I suppose you could say you have
the modern-day equivalent of the MCSE.

I have only two MCTS's, and am working on my third.
--
Larry J. West, MCSD, MCPD, MCTS:SQL Server 2005, MOUS, FLMI, ACS
[currently looking for new employment]

"jay21" wrote:

> am interested in going into IT by taking a course in MCSE and getting
> certified but i found out MCSE will be faced out in 2008. can someone please
> let me know what alternative certification is out there which is equivalent
> to the MCSE.
> Thanks
> Jay.

Michael
Fri Apr 20 15:22:48 CDT 2007

"jay21" <jay21@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:F9BA942B-899D-49C9-A00D-AF115D198654@microsoft.com:

> am interested in going into IT by taking a course in MCSE and getting
> certified but i found out MCSE will be faced out in 2008. can someone please
> let me know what alternative certification is out there which is equivalent
> to the MCSE.
> Thanks
> Jay.

It is called "Discontinuation of Microsoft Certification exams" and it
has been happening since the conception of the certification program.
This is not news. Although the exams will be discontinued, the
certification will remain. It should be noted that the exams in question
are for Windows 2000, not 2003.
--
Michael D. Alligood, MCSA, MCDST
The I.T. Classroom - http://www.theitclassroom.com/
CertGuard - http://www.certguard.com

Cerebrus
Sat Apr 21 03:27:51 CDT 2007

On Apr 20, 7:08 pm, Matt <M...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> I'm just curious as to what the hell your talking about FACED out. As opposed
> to faced in? Whats the MCSE looking at. I have not heard anything about the
> MCSE being phased out in 2008. And if it is I dont think it matters what
> direction it is looking. Maybe it will be facing you huddled down with fear
> in its eyes screaming NOOOO don't phase me out I have so much to live for. Or
> maybe not.
>
> --
> Matt
> A+, MCP, and MCDST

ROFL, that's just hilarious, man ! PotD is exclusive to the MCNGP, or
you might have been a good contender !

Frisbee®
Mon Apr 23 07:09:31 CDT 2007

"Cerebrus" <zorg007@sify.com> wrote in message
news:1177144071.484198.223650@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 20, 7:08 pm, Matt <M...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>> I'm just curious as to what the hell your talking about FACED out. As
>> opposed
>> to faced in? Whats the MCSE looking at. I have not heard anything about
>> the
>> MCSE being phased out in 2008. And if it is I dont think it matters what
>> direction it is looking. Maybe it will be facing you huddled down with
>> fear
>> in its eyes screaming NOOOO don't phase me out I have so much to live
>> for. Or
>> maybe not.
>>
>> --
>> Matt
>> A+, MCP, and MCDST
>
> ROFL, that's just hilarious, man ! PotD is exclusive to the MCNGP, or
> you might have been a good contender !

While it would appear that it's exclusive to the MCNGP, that's only because
most of the funny posts come from the MCNGP. There are, of course,
exceptions. Unlce Vigo, for example, was before your time. Dang near every
post from that guy was a PotD.

CBIC
Mon Apr 23 07:54:10 CDT 2007


"Frisbee®" <billLASTNAME@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:uvH22AahHHA.1220@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> While it would appear that it's exclusive to the MCNGP, that's only
> because most of the funny posts come from the MCNGP. There are, of
> course, exceptions. Unlce Vigo, for example, was before your time. Dang
> near every post from that guy was a PotD.
>
>

How I miss hearing about the dot communists and Cheapistan. I wish he'd come
back. He was (is) a funny b@stard.

Neil
Mon Apr 23 08:34:29 CDT 2007

did you hear "CBIC" <spam.thisbiotch@gmail.com> say in
news:OpW89ZahHHA.1216@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:

> How I miss hearing about the dot communists and Cheapistan. I wish
> he'd come back. He was (is) a funny b@stard.

tru dat. I had some of his more stellar posts archieved. Hope to find some
time one day to re-read.

--
The InterNeil "V2.0 with Tabbed browsing and decreased verbosity" MCNGP
Triple X

- Mary had a little lamb. The doctor was quite surprised!

CBIC
Mon Apr 23 09:24:41 CDT 2007


"Neil" <guess!!!@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns991B6165F6E8Cneilmcsegmailcom@207.46.248.16...
> did you hear "CBIC" <spam.thisbiotch@gmail.com> say in
> news:OpW89ZahHHA.1216@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:
>
>> How I miss hearing about the dot communists and Cheapistan. I wish
>> he'd come back. He was (is) a funny b@stard.
>
> tru dat. I had some of his more stellar posts archieved. Hope to find some
> time one day to re-read.
>

Be a pal and post some at the clubhouse so we can all enjoy. It will give
the newer members a chance to see what they missed.

JaR
Mon Apr 23 10:40:56 CDT 2007

"CBIC" <spam.thisbiotch@gmail.com> wrote in
news:uD8yiMbhHHA.2332@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:

> Be a pal and post some at the clubhouse so we can all enjoy. It will
> give the newer members a chance to see what they missed.

Seconded.

--
JaR
Never a Dell moment
Remove hat to reply

Cerebrus
Mon Apr 23 12:43:43 CDT 2007

On Apr 23, 8:40 pm, JaR <jrde...@lakabux.com> wrote:
> "CBIC" <spam.thisbio...@gmail.com> wrote innews:uD8yiMbhHHA.2332@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:
>
> > Be a pal and post some at the clubhouse so we can all enjoy. It will
> > give the newer members a chance to see what they missed.
>
> Seconded.
>
> --
> JaR
> Never a Dell moment
> Remove hat to reply

Threaded !

catwalker63
Mon Apr 23 12:49:02 CDT 2007

JaR piffled away vaguely:

> "CBIC" <spam.thisbiotch@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:uD8yiMbhHHA.2332@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:
>
>> Be a pal and post some at the clubhouse so we can all enjoy. It will
>> give the newer members a chance to see what they missed.
>
> Seconded.
>
Why am I always third??
--

Catwalker
MCNGP #43
www.mcngp.com
"I have a gun. It's loaded. Shut up."

catwalker63
Mon Apr 23 12:50:30 CDT 2007

Cerebrus piffled away vaguely:

> On Apr 23, 8:40 pm, JaR <jrde...@lakabux.com> wrote:
>> "CBIC" <spam.thisbio...@gmail.com> wrote innews:uD8yiMbhHHA.2332@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:
>>
>> > Be a pal and post some at the clubhouse so we can all enjoy. It will
>> > give the newer members a chance to see what they missed.
>>
>> Seconded.
>>
>> --
>> JaR
>> Never a Dell moment
>> Remove hat to reply
>
> Threaded !

Never mind.
--

Catwalker
MCNGP #43
www.mcngp.com
"I have a gun. It's loaded. Shut up."

Cerebrus
Mon Apr 23 18:45:46 CDT 2007

On Apr 23, 10:50 pm, catwalker63 <_catwalker...@hotmamamail.com>
wrote:
>
> Never mind.

;-) You're always first in my book !

Neil
Mon Apr 23 20:24:55 CDT 2007

did you hear Cerebrus <zorg007@sify.com> say in
news:1177350223.415874.311230@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:

> On Apr 23, 8:40 pm, JaR <jrde...@lakabux.com> wrote:
>> "CBIC" <spam.thisbio...@gmail.com> wrote
>> innews:uD8yiMbhHHA.2332@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:
>>
>> > Be a pal and post some at the clubhouse so we can all enjoy. It
>> > will give the newer members a chance to see what they missed.
>>
>> Seconded.
>>
>> --
>> JaR
>> Never a Dell moment
>> Remove hat to reply
>
> Threaded !
>

FINE! there are 4 on the stupers3krut site. under teh "Best of"

--
The InterNeil "V2.0 with Tabbed browsing and decreased verbosity" MCNGP
Triple X

- Never let a machine know you're in a hurry.

catwalker63
Tue Apr 24 00:31:57 CDT 2007

Cerebrus piffled away vaguely:

> On Apr 23, 10:50 pm, catwalker63 <_catwalker...@hotmamamail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Never mind.
>
> ;-) You're always first in my book !

You know d@mn right!! And thank you for noticing.
--

Catwalker
MCNGP #43
www.mcngp.com
"I have a gun. It's loaded. Shut up."

CBIC
Tue Apr 24 08:01:17 CDT 2007


"Neil" <guess!!!@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns991BD9DA31487neilmcsegmailcom@207.46.248.16...

> FINE! there are 4 on the stupers3krut site. under teh "Best of"
>

Thanking you muchly for kindly doing the needful.

waynea
Thu Apr 26 07:10:01 CDT 2007

It is true that a series of rumors have started circulating the internet
based on early information Microsoft has been publishing to advanced learning
partners that the MCSE track will not be introduced for the Longhorn Server
series of products.

During the course of some MOC-based training I have been taking from one
such partner this week, the instructor and the class discussed at length some
of the possibilities. I would not care to speculate at length here but I
would say the signs are pretty clear about a multi-cert MCTS technical
specialization to MCITP role-based certification track that certifies
specific aspects of using the Longhorn operating system in an enterprise (or
other) scenario.

That having been said, I would point out that recent news has indicated that
MCPs should expect webcasts on the specifics of the new path sometime next
month.

--
Wayne Anderson
http://blog.avanadeadvisor.com/blogs/waynea/


"jay21" wrote:

> am interested in going into IT by taking a course in MCSE and getting
> certified but i found out MCSE will be faced out in 2008. can someone please
> let me know what alternative certification is out there which is equivalent
> to the MCSE.
> Thanks
> Jay.