Hi

I've just taken 70-297 today for the 2nd time and failed with a 675 score. I
think maybe 1 or 2 answers in it :(

Is there any advice from people that have either passed or struggled their
way through it?

I seem to struggle with time as much as anything and working through the
length of the the case study's and extracting the information. The weakest
area on both attempts has been "Creating the Conceptual Design by Gathering
and Analyzing Business and Technical Requirements" which I think perhaps
highlights this.

Haven't had any problems with the previous 5 exams I've taken so finding it
pretty stressful to have hit a wall with this one!

The study material I've used to prepare has been the Sybex 70-297 Study
Guide and the transcender exam sims which I've actually found to be a lot
shorter and easier than the real thing.

Any advice or recommendations are greatly appreciated.....

Many thanks

Chris

Re: Failed 70-297 - Need Advice by John

John
Tue Jun 24 13:03:55 CDT 2008


"Chris" <chris@removechrissteels.plus.com> wrote in message
news:Pb-dnSXn-oHrkPzVnZ2dnUVZ8tPinZ2d@posted.plusnet...
> Hi
>
> I've just taken 70-297 today for the 2nd time and failed with a 675 score.
> I think maybe 1 or 2 answers in it :(
>
> Is there any advice from people that have either passed or struggled their
> way through it?
>
> I seem to struggle with time as much as anything and working through the
> length of the the case study's and extracting the information. The weakest
> area on both attempts has been "Creating the Conceptual Design by
> Gathering and Analyzing Business and Technical Requirements" which I think
> perhaps highlights this.
>
> Haven't had any problems with the previous 5 exams I've taken so finding
> it pretty stressful to have hit a wall with this one!
>
> The study material I've used to prepare has been the Sybex 70-297 Study
> Guide and the transcender exam sims which I've actually found to be a lot
> shorter and easier than the real thing.
>
> Any advice or recommendations are greatly appreciated.....
>

Hi Chris,

Yes, 70-297 (and 70-298) follows the design testing format, as you have
found out. This format can be quite intimidating unless you are prepared to
deal with it. I found the time element quite challenging. One of the
things I did was to read the questions first, and then go back and "skim"
the scenario. Reading the questions first puts page markers in your brain
while you are reading the scenario, and also allows you to skim much
quicker. For example, if you don't see any questions about WINS, when you
are reading, you can pretty much skip over stuff about unix, NT, or 98
workstations. Conversly, if you see questions about how many DCs to put at
a location, you pay special attention to the scenario where it talks about
local authentication, number of users, etc.

Be sure to clear you head (and your notepad/whiteboard) between scenarios.
Often I found myself thinking about requirements in prior scenarios as if
they applied to the one I was working on.

Being on top of your game also helps with this test, because it combines all
of the concepts of DNS, DHCP, WINS, GPOs, etc, etc. Be sure you are clear
on "upgrading" a domain vrs "restructuring" a domain. Remember, the fewer
domains in the end, the better. Know each of the different types of trusts
and when to use them. Be careful about trust transitivity.

Pay special attention to who says what. For example, if the IT manager
wants everyone to authenticate locally, but the CEO says keeping costs to a
minimum is of paramount importance, you might think twice about putting a DC
at a remote location with only a few employees since DCs cost money, and the
CEO trumps the IT manager.

Most importantly, this test is about what the customer wants, not what you
want. It would be great if you could just convert everyone to AD integrated
DNS, but if the customer wants to keep their existing bind DNS
infrastructure, what do you need to do to design around that?

I used the MS Press book for 70-297, and I also used the TestOut video
series (which I especially liked). I also had some amount of experience
with network design. Of course, with this test, network design is the
design as dictated by Microsoft. Hardly anyone uses RRAS, most people use
some type of VPN concentrator (like Cisco) but this is a Microsoft test
about Microsoft technologies. I also found the sample tests included with
the MS Press book to be much less verbose than the actual tests, but I think
they were helpful anyway.

Good luck to you.

John R


Re: Failed 70-297 - Need Advice by Chris

Chris
Wed Jul 02 14:21:37 CDT 2008

Thanks John, Ive booked in again for a couple of weeks time so fingers
crossed!

"John R" <jsr^^^813@zoom^^^internet.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Chris" <chris@removechrissteels.plus.com> wrote in message
> news:Pb-dnSXn-oHrkPzVnZ2dnUVZ8tPinZ2d@posted.plusnet...
>> Hi
>>
>> I've just taken 70-297 today for the 2nd time and failed with a 675
>> score. I think maybe 1 or 2 answers in it :(
>>
>> Is there any advice from people that have either passed or struggled
>> their way through it?
>>
>> I seem to struggle with time as much as anything and working through the
>> length of the the case study's and extracting the information. The
>> weakest area on both attempts has been "Creating the Conceptual Design by
>> Gathering and Analyzing Business and Technical Requirements" which I
>> think perhaps highlights this.
>>
>> Haven't had any problems with the previous 5 exams I've taken so finding
>> it pretty stressful to have hit a wall with this one!
>>
>> The study material I've used to prepare has been the Sybex 70-297 Study
>> Guide and the transcender exam sims which I've actually found to be a lot
>> shorter and easier than the real thing.
>>
>> Any advice or recommendations are greatly appreciated.....
>>
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> Yes, 70-297 (and 70-298) follows the design testing format, as you have
> found out. This format can be quite intimidating unless you are prepared
> to deal with it. I found the time element quite challenging. One of the
> things I did was to read the questions first, and then go back and "skim"
> the scenario. Reading the questions first puts page markers in your brain
> while you are reading the scenario, and also allows you to skim much
> quicker. For example, if you don't see any questions about WINS, when you
> are reading, you can pretty much skip over stuff about unix, NT, or 98
> workstations. Conversly, if you see questions about how many DCs to put
> at a location, you pay special attention to the scenario where it talks
> about local authentication, number of users, etc.
>
> Be sure to clear you head (and your notepad/whiteboard) between scenarios.
> Often I found myself thinking about requirements in prior scenarios as if
> they applied to the one I was working on.
>
> Being on top of your game also helps with this test, because it combines
> all of the concepts of DNS, DHCP, WINS, GPOs, etc, etc. Be sure you are
> clear on "upgrading" a domain vrs "restructuring" a domain. Remember, the
> fewer domains in the end, the better. Know each of the different types of
> trusts and when to use them. Be careful about trust transitivity.
>
> Pay special attention to who says what. For example, if the IT manager
> wants everyone to authenticate locally, but the CEO says keeping costs to
> a minimum is of paramount importance, you might think twice about putting
> a DC at a remote location with only a few employees since DCs cost money,
> and the CEO trumps the IT manager.
>
> Most importantly, this test is about what the customer wants, not what you
> want. It would be great if you could just convert everyone to AD
> integrated DNS, but if the customer wants to keep their existing bind DNS
> infrastructure, what do you need to do to design around that?
>
> I used the MS Press book for 70-297, and I also used the TestOut video
> series (which I especially liked). I also had some amount of experience
> with network design. Of course, with this test, network design is the
> design as dictated by Microsoft. Hardly anyone uses RRAS, most people use
> some type of VPN concentrator (like Cisco) but this is a Microsoft test
> about Microsoft technologies. I also found the sample tests included with
> the MS Press book to be much less verbose than the actual tests, but I
> think they were helpful anyway.
>
> Good luck to you.
>
> John R


RE: Failed 70-297 - Need Advice by Dude

Dude
Fri Jul 04 04:57:01 CDT 2008

I took 70-298 because it looked easier. I passed it the first time.

"Chris" wrote:

> Hi
>
> I've just taken 70-297 today for the 2nd time and failed with a 675 score. I
> think maybe 1 or 2 answers in it :(
>
> Is there any advice from people that have either passed or struggled their
> way through it?
>
> I seem to struggle with time as much as anything and working through the
> length of the the case study's and extracting the information. The weakest
> area on both attempts has been "Creating the Conceptual Design by Gathering
> and Analyzing Business and Technical Requirements" which I think perhaps
> highlights this.
>
> Haven't had any problems with the previous 5 exams I've taken so finding it
> pretty stressful to have hit a wall with this one!
>
> The study material I've used to prepare has been the Sybex 70-297 Study
> Guide and the transcender exam sims which I've actually found to be a lot
> shorter and easier than the real thing.
>
> Any advice or recommendations are greatly appreciated.....
>
> Many thanks
>
> Chris
>
>