Cheap MCSE training

I'm a courtesy clerk working at a local grocery store earning a bit more
than minimum wage. I'm thinking about going for MCSE certification, but I
can't afford the $3k+ that local schools want for the training.

Do I have any other options? Does Federal financial aid pay for this kind of
training? My income is low enough to qualify if it does.

JaR
Wed Sep 01 14:08:51 CDT 2004

In microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse, Robert Kent climbed on a soapbox &
opined:

> I'm a courtesy clerk working at a local grocery store earning a bit
> more than minimum wage. I'm thinking about going for MCSE
> certification, but I can't afford the $3k+ that local schools want for
> the training.
>
> Do I have any other options? Does Federal financial aid pay for this
> kind of training? My income is low enough to qualify if it does.
>
>
>
>
>

Have you checked to see if anybody will hire an inexperienced tech in
your area?

Before you squander your time and resources, you should be aware that
jobs are few and far between in this field, and most employers require
several years of experience for entry level slots that pay about what you
are making now.

Sorry to bust your bubble.

There's my good deed for this week, now back to your regularly scheduled
abuse.

JaR
Helpful Thug

Robert
Wed Sep 01 14:31:32 CDT 2004


"JaR" <plente@spamsuxsofthome.net> wrote in message
news:Xns95577B93B376Bplentespamsuxsofthom@207.46.248.16...
> most employers require several years of experience for entry level slots
that pay about what you
> are making now.
>
Thanks for your reply.

So, how does one get experience without a job? I'm far too old for the
miltary! Does volunteer work count?

Minimum wage in California is only $6.75. Why would anyone waste their time
and money if they would only make minimum wage?

molsonexpert
Wed Sep 01 14:32:21 CDT 2004


"Robert Kent" <robertkent@yahooie.coma> wrote in message
news:engs#XFkEHA.3724@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> I'm a courtesy clerk working at a local grocery store earning a bit more
> than minimum wage. I'm thinking about going for MCSE certification, but I
> can't afford the $3k+ that local schools want for the training.
>
> Do I have any other options? Does Federal financial aid pay for this kind
of
> training? My income is low enough to qualify if it does.
>
>
>
>

If you have some experience with Microsoft server technologies, you might be
able to get by with self study - any number of books, such as those
published by Sybex, Syngress, etc. (from what I've heard avoid MS Press, at
least as a main study guide). Try to set up a home network; Microsoft has
free downloadable eval copies of some of their products. For free study
material, always try going to the source first, e.g. :

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/windowsserver2003/operations/de
fault.mspx

http://tinyurl.com/6vsmd

hth, and good luck.

steve.

Consultant
Wed Sep 01 14:41:16 CDT 2004

perhaps you should consider retirement? all kidding aside, maybe you should

"Robert Kent" <robertkent@yahooie.coma> wrote in message
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>
> "JaR" <plente@spamsuxsofthome.net> wrote in message
> news:Xns95577B93B376Bplentespamsuxsofthom@207.46.248.16...
> > most employers require several years of experience for entry level
slots
> that pay about what you
> > are making now.
> >
> Thanks for your reply.
>
> So, how does one get experience without a job? I'm far too old for the
> miltary! Does volunteer work count?
>
> Minimum wage in California is only $6.75. Why would anyone waste their
time
> and money if they would only make minimum wage?
>
>
>
>

molsonexpert
Wed Sep 01 14:42:10 CDT 2004


"Robert Kent" <robertkent@yahooie.coma> wrote in message
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>
> "JaR" <plente@spamsuxsofthome.net> wrote in message
> news:Xns95577B93B376Bplentespamsuxsofthom@207.46.248.16...
> > most employers require several years of experience for entry level
slots
> that pay about what you
> > are making now.
> >
> Thanks for your reply.
>
> So, how does one get experience without a job? I'm far too old for the
> miltary! Does volunteer work count?
>
> Minimum wage in California is only $6.75. Why would anyone waste their
time
> and money if they would only make minimum wage?
>
>
>
>

Ah, your first question, that damn catch-22. My advice is to take whatever
comes along. If you live in a large city, somebody will be hiring. When i
graduated in 1997 I was looking for two months and nailed something for
$30,000 (Cdn.) and i was happier than a pig in the sunshine. I even know
some people who started out in non-tech positions (office clerk, inventory
control) who moved up when the opportunity came up.

it's gotta be better than 7-11, no?

steve.

im
Wed Sep 01 14:52:48 CDT 2004

u can get experience on the school your going to... the
more lab hours u take the better so u can get used to
them.. try studying on your spare time and u better setup
a lab at home=)

about the financial aid, u must be a us citizen or non
eligible citizen.. your income doesnt matter but at least
u must have a fair credit to be qualify for different
kinds of loans... u better check the fafsa website....
>-----Original Message-----
>
>"JaR" <plente@spamsuxsofthome.net> wrote in message
>news:Xns95577B93B376Bplentespamsuxsofthom@207.46.248.16..
.
>> most employers require several years of experience
for entry level slots
>that pay about what you
>> are making now.
>>
>Thanks for your reply.
>
>So, how does one get experience without a job? I'm far
too old for the
>miltary! Does volunteer work count?
>
>Minimum wage in California is only $6.75. Why would
anyone waste their time
>and money if they would only make minimum wage?
>
>
>
>
>.
>

Dragon
Wed Sep 01 15:01:46 CDT 2004

To get at least partial real life experience, try learning the stuff and
then volunteering at a local college.

My personal recommendation? IT is a very bad job market right now.

"Robert Kent" <robertkent@yahooie.coma> wrote in message
news:eo0nGpFkEHA.2304@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>
> "JaR" <plente@spamsuxsofthome.net> wrote in message
> news:Xns95577B93B376Bplentespamsuxsofthom@207.46.248.16...
>> most employers require several years of experience for entry level slots
> that pay about what you
>> are making now.
>>
> Thanks for your reply.
>
> So, how does one get experience without a job? I'm far too old for the
> miltary! Does volunteer work count?
>
> Minimum wage in California is only $6.75. Why would anyone waste their
> time
> and money if they would only make minimum wage?
>
>
>
>

Consultant
Wed Sep 01 15:05:42 CDT 2004

dood, u r da bomb


"im a newb" <imanewb@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:026b01c4905d$4218b410$a401280a@phx.gbl...
> u can get experience on the school your going to... the
> more lab hours u take the better so u can get used to
> them.. try studying on your spare time and u better setup
> a lab at home=)
>
> about the financial aid, u must be a us citizen or non
> eligible citizen.. your income doesnt matter but at least
> u must have a fair credit to be qualify for different
> kinds of loans... u better check the fafsa website....
> >-----Original Message-----
> >
> >"JaR" <plente@spamsuxsofthome.net> wrote in message
> >news:Xns95577B93B376Bplentespamsuxsofthom@207.46.248.16..
> .
> >> most employers require several years of experience
> for entry level slots
> >that pay about what you
> >> are making now.
> >>
> >Thanks for your reply.
> >
> >So, how does one get experience without a job? I'm far
> too old for the
> >miltary! Does volunteer work count?
> >
> >Minimum wage in California is only $6.75. Why would
> anyone waste their time
> >and money if they would only make minimum wage?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >.
> >

JaR
Wed Sep 01 15:21:02 CDT 2004

In microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse, Robert Kent climbed on a soapbox &
opined:

> "JaR" <plente@spamsuxsofthome.net> wrote in message
> news:Xns95577B93B376Bplentespamsuxsofthom@207.46.248.16...
>> most employers require several years of experience for entry level
>> slots
> that pay about what you
>> are making now.
>>
> Thanks for your reply.
>
> So, how does one get experience without a job? I'm far too old for the
> miltary! Does volunteer work count?
>

You miss the point, but yes, volunteering is good for experience. But
that means working for *nothing*. You already make more than that. If you
have the time, and don't care about the money, go for it. Just remember,
you are going to need a couple of *years* of experience to get an
employer's attention.

The point is, there are thousands of unemployed IT workers out there with
years of experience willing to work for peanuts just to have a job. Since
the dot-com bust and rampant offshoring have thrown the market into a
tailspin. Things are improving[1]but wages are rediculously low even for
experienced techs.

> Minimum wage in California is only $6.75. Why would anyone waste their
> time and money if they would only make minimum wage?
>

Exactly. Let alone work for free[2]

[1]At least, that's what Jtyc keeps saying.
[2]AKA "Volunteering"

JaR

Ken
Wed Sep 01 15:22:10 CDT 2004

"Consultant" <consultant_mcngp@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:%23EIJQ8FkEHA.2236@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> dood, u r da bomb

4 realz

--

KB - MCNGP "silent thug" #26

first initial last name AT gmail DOT com

Tron2004
Wed Sep 01 15:23:16 CDT 2004

You can take the MCSE courses for 3k? Where I work at the company has
classes for the public and they sell the MCSA course for 8k and the MCSE
course for 12k for the 2003 server.


"molsonexpert" <imdrunk@work.ca> wrote in message
news:%23I6%23npFkEHA.2908@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>
> "Robert Kent" <robertkent@yahooie.coma> wrote in message
> news:engs#XFkEHA.3724@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>> I'm a courtesy clerk working at a local grocery store earning a bit more
>> than minimum wage. I'm thinking about going for MCSE certification, but I
>> can't afford the $3k+ that local schools want for the training.
>>
>> Do I have any other options? Does Federal financial aid pay for this kind
> of
>> training? My income is low enough to qualify if it does.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> If you have some experience with Microsoft server technologies, you might
> be
> able to get by with self study - any number of books, such as those
> published by Sybex, Syngress, etc. (from what I've heard avoid MS Press,
> at
> least as a main study guide). Try to set up a home network; Microsoft has
> free downloadable eval copies of some of their products. For free study
> material, always try going to the source first, e.g. :
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/windowsserver2003/operations/de
> fault.mspx
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6vsmd
>
> hth, and good luck.
>
> steve.
>
>
>

Robert
Wed Sep 01 15:24:41 CDT 2004


"JaR" <plente@spamsuxsofthome.net> wrote in message
news:Xns955787D0DCE1Eplentespamsuxsofthom@207.46.248.16...
> In microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse, Robert Kent climbed on a soapbox &
> opined:
>
> > "JaR" <plente@spamsuxsofthome.net> wrote in message
> > news:Xns95577B93B376Bplentespamsuxsofthom@207.46.248.16...
> >> most employers require several years of experience for entry level
> >> slots
> > that pay about what you
> >> are making now.
> >>
> > Thanks for your reply.
> >
> > So, how does one get experience without a job? I'm far too old for the
> > miltary! Does volunteer work count?
> >
>
> You miss the point, but yes, volunteering is good for experience. But
> that means working for *nothing*. You already make more than that. If you
> have the time, and don't care about the money, go for it. Just remember,
> you are going to need a couple of *years* of experience to get an
> employer's attention.
>
> The point is, there are thousands of unemployed IT workers out there with
> years of experience willing to work for peanuts just to have a job. Since
> the dot-com bust and rampant offshoring have thrown the market into a
> tailspin. Things are improving[1]but wages are rediculously low even for
> experienced techs.
>
> > Minimum wage in California is only $6.75. Why would anyone waste their
> > time and money if they would only make minimum wage?
> >
>
> Exactly. Let alone work for free[2]
>
> [1]At least, that's what Jtyc keeps saying.
> [2]AKA "Volunteering"
>
So what motivates people to spend the time and money to get MCSE
certification?

Btw... volunteering pays off in more ways than cash. I've volunteered with
the Red Cross for years. I got my start after the Northridge earthquake.
Don't knock volunteering!

Robert
Wed Sep 01 15:26:27 CDT 2004


"Tron2004" <shutup@shutup.com> wrote in message
news:eBBlFGGkEHA.2908@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> You can take the MCSE courses for 3k? Where I work at the company has
> classes for the public and they sell the MCSA course for 8k and the MCSE
> course for 12k for the 2003 server.
>
All this to get a job that pays minimum wage? Somehow I can't believe that
the pay is that low.

Neil
Wed Sep 01 15:38:45 CDT 2004

babbling on and on again "Robert Kent" <robertkent@yahooie.coma> spewed
in news:eo0nGpFkEHA.2304@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl:

> Minimum wage in California is only $6.75. Why would anyone waste their
> time and money if they would only make minimum wage?
>

P.T. Barnum comes to mind....

--
Neil MCNGP #30
the "curious" hair on the soap of society

JaR
Wed Sep 01 15:40:00 CDT 2004

In microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse, Robert Kent climbed on a soapbox &
opined:

> So what motivates people to spend the time and money to get MCSE
> certification?

Beats a crap outta me! If you listen to the big training outfits, there are
six-figure jobs just waiting for succesful cert holders. It's nothing but
hype. A few years ago, any nimrod that knew how to format C: could land a
job that paid insane $$$. The .com bubble burst. No more.

>
> Btw... volunteering pays off in more ways than cash. I've volunteered
> with the Red Cross for years. I got my start after the Northridge
> earthquake. Don't knock volunteering!
>

I'd never knock volunteering. I do some myself. But I know how long it
would take to amass any sort of relevant "experience" by working for a
couple of hours a week. When a company says "2 years of experience" they
mean "4000 hours", not "8 hours per week times 104 weeks" You want to go
that route, have at it! I know of guys who have done it and gotten jobs.

JaR

Neil
Wed Sep 01 15:39:38 CDT 2004

babbling on and on again "molsonexpert" <imdrunk@work.ca> spewed in news:
#ClJHvFkEHA.2908@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl:

> it's gotta be better than 7-11, no?

NO WAY! I don't get free slurpees where I work....

--
Neil MCNGP #30
the "curious" hair on the soap of society

Neil
Wed Sep 01 15:40:50 CDT 2004

babbling on and on again JaR <plente@spamsuxsofthome.net> spewed in
news:Xns955787D0DCE1Eplentespamsuxsofthom@207.46.248.16:

> But
> that means working for *nothing*.

are the chicks still free?

*I want my, I want my, I want my MCP*

--
Neil MCNGP #30
the "curious" hair on the soap of society

JaR
Wed Sep 01 15:54:13 CDT 2004

In microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse, Neil climbed on a soapbox & opined:

> babbling on and on again JaR <plente@spamsuxsofthome.net> spewed in
> news:Xns955787D0DCE1Eplentespamsuxsofthom@207.46.248.16:
>
>> But
>> that means working for *nothing*.
>
> are the chicks still free?
>
> *I want my, I want my, I want my MCP*
>

Yeah, buddy, that's the way to do it.

JaR
Dire Thug

Syncme
Wed Sep 01 15:55:52 CDT 2004


"Robert Kent" <robertkent@yahooie.coma> wrote in message
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>
> "Tron2004" <shutup@shutup.com> wrote in message
> news:eBBlFGGkEHA.2908@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> You can take the MCSE courses for 3k? Where I work at the company has
>> classes for the public and they sell the MCSA course for 8k and the MCSE
>> course for 12k for the 2003 server.
>>
> All this to get a job that pays minimum wage? Somehow I can't believe that
> the pay is that low.
>
>
>

I think you're missing the point... the pay is only low in the beginning
before you have experience. After that it goes to about an average paying
job.
It's no longer a highly paid position. I suggest you only do it if you like
it... not for the money.
If you want a job for money you're probably better off going into pluming.

The
Wed Sep 01 17:00:59 CDT 2004

>u can get experience on the school your going to

clearly you never attended too much school did you...

Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3

The
Wed Sep 01 17:03:34 CDT 2004

>Yeah, buddy, that's the way to do it.

lemme tell ya them guys ain't dumb..

Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3

Laura
Wed Sep 01 17:07:03 CDT 2004

circa Wed, 1 Sep 2004 12:00:53 -0700, in
microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse, Robert Kent
(robertkent@yahooie.coma) said,
> I'm a courtesy clerk working at a local grocery store earning a bit more
> than minimum wage. I'm thinking about going for MCSE certification, but I
> can't afford the $3k+ that local schools want for the training.
>
> Do I have any other options? Does Federal financial aid pay for this kind of
> training? My income is low enough to qualify if it does.
>
>
Okay, various items, in no particular order...

First, you definitely have other options. The best tool at your
disposal is the machine from which you posted your query. There is a
*plethora* of free training material on the 'net. Hit Microsoft's
site and download all the eval software you can. Download Virtual
Server 2005 and you can build a little test lab on one or two
machines if you have the RAM and disk space. Hit the library and
check out the books there.

As far as federal financial aid, there *are* colleges that will get
you certified as part of your degree program, and those are eligible
for aid. I know that Microsoft also used to have a loan program for
IT training, although I don't know if they still do. However, if you
enroll in a college/university, you are also then eligible for
student pricing on software, which gives you a substantial discount.
If there isn't a college in your area that offers certification as
part of a degree program, there are various colleges that offer
online degrees and some of them do offer certification as part of
that process.

Basically, poverty sucks eggs, but there are an awful lot of free
resources out there that you can use to start learning this stuff. As
far as getting work in the field, try to pick up a part-time gig at a
CompUSA or Circuit City or whatever you can find of that nature, and
use that as your first building block. Get experience any way you
can. Volunteer to help churches, schools and other non-profits with
their systems.

It's not the easiest way to start a career in IT, but it's certainly
not an unusual way to do it.

Best of luck,

Laura
--
Experience is the name every one gives to their mistakes.
-Oscar Wilde

Laura
Wed Sep 01 17:08:04 CDT 2004

circa Wed, 1 Sep 2004 13:24:41 -0700, in
microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse, Robert Kent
(robertkent@yahooie.coma) said,
> >
> So what motivates people to spend the time and money to get MCSE
> certification?
>
These days? Probably a touch of insanity. ;-)

Laura
--
Experience is the name every one gives to their mistakes.
-Oscar Wilde

Laura
Wed Sep 01 17:09:38 CDT 2004

circa Wed, 1 Sep 2004 16:55:52 -0400, in
microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse, Syncme (syncme@nojunk.com) said,
> If you want a job for money you're probably better off going into pluming.
>
Or plumbing, if you're not into feathers...
--
Experience is the name every one gives to their mistakes.
-Oscar Wilde

ME
Wed Sep 01 18:43:41 CDT 2004

where are you in CA? In Orange county, comm. colleges have classes for MS.
I used to take classes in college and self study to get CNE and MCSE. But
is was before the dot com era so getting a job wasn't hard for fresh MCSE.
However you can still take classes at college and pass the exams. It is a
long run, don't expect what job you can have in 6 months from now.


"Robert Kent" <robertkent@yahooie.coma> wrote in message
news:engs%23XFkEHA.3724@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> I'm a courtesy clerk working at a local grocery store earning a bit more
> than minimum wage. I'm thinking about going for MCSE certification, but I
> can't afford the $3k+ that local schools want for the training.
>
> Do I have any other options? Does Federal financial aid pay for this kind
of
> training? My income is low enough to qualify if it does.
>
>
>
>

Neil
Wed Sep 01 20:00:43 CDT 2004

babbling on and on again Laura A. Robinson <geekwench@snippit.hotmail.com>
spewed in news:MPG.1ba012a91fb36e2f98aae1@msnews.microsoft.com:

> Or plumbing, if you're not into feathers...

do you like feathers?

--
Neil MCNGP #30
the "curious" hair on the soap of society

Laura
Wed Sep 01 22:51:35 CDT 2004

circa Wed, 01 Sep 2004 18:00:43 -0700, in
microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse, Neil (neilmcse@nospamforyou.com)
said,
>
> > Or plumbing, if you're not into feathers...
>
> do you like feathers?
>
>
Nice try.
--
Experience is the name every one gives to their mistakes.
-Oscar Wilde

Robert
Thu Sep 02 02:29:56 CDT 2004


"Neil" <neilmcse@nospamforyou.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9557A97AA4643neilmcsehotmailcom@207.46.248.16...
> babbling on and on again "molsonexpert" <imdrunk@work.ca> spewed in news:
> #ClJHvFkEHA.2908@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl:
>
> > it's gotta be better than 7-11, no?
>
> NO WAY! I don't get free slurpees where I work....

LOL! I'll forego the free slurpees for $30 per hour or more...

catwalker63
Thu Sep 02 03:28:32 CDT 2004

"Robert Kent" <robertkent@yahooie.coma> prattled ceaslessly in
news:eU1EyHGkEHA.3872@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl:

>
> "Tron2004" <shutup@shutup.com> wrote in message
> news:eBBlFGGkEHA.2908@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> You can take the MCSE courses for 3k? Where I work at the company
>> has classes for the public and they sell the MCSA course for 8k and
>> the MCSE course for 12k for the 2003 server.
>>
> All this to get a job that pays minimum wage? Somehow I can't believe
> that the pay is that low.
>
>
>

I have 8 years of experience and a college degree and I currently do not
have a job. It's pretty slim pickings out there right now. What keeps
most of us going is that we like this technology stuff. Love it even.
Nothing makes me happier than figuring out why someone's machine won't
boot or why someone is getting this or that error. There is always a new
challenge and it's not the same job every day. If that's the way you
feel about technology, go for it. If you don't like solving puzzles at
3am after working 13 hours, this is not the career for you. You'd be
better off with painting, construction, or grant writing.

--
Catwalker
aka Pu$$y Feet
BS, MCP

"I don't want one of those systems based on the cellulite processor."

nerd32768
Thu Sep 02 07:06:56 CDT 2004


"Robert Kent" <robertkent@yahooie.coma> wrote in message
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>
> "Neil" <neilmcse@nospamforyou.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9557A97AA4643neilmcsehotmailcom@207.46.248.16...
> > babbling on and on again "molsonexpert" <imdrunk@work.ca> spewed in
news:
> > #ClJHvFkEHA.2908@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl:
> >
> > > it's gotta be better than 7-11, no?
> >
> > NO WAY! I don't get free slurpees where I work....
>
> LOL! I'll forego the free slurpees for $30 per hour or more...
>

LOL!!!!! $30 an hour!!!!! good joke. keep the good job at the grocery store.
You'll make more money. i only get $20 an hour, working for myself, after
school. I can barely afford to buy my own lunch(maybe i should stop saving
my money for a new laptop)

nerd32768
Thu Sep 02 07:11:01 CDT 2004

> So what motivates people to spend the time and money to get MCSE
> certification?

I had to have something to do over summer break. i've still only got my
MCSA, but i'm working on MCSE.
The tests arent too hard, and they make your parents shut up about wasting
time


> Btw... volunteering pays off in more ways than cash. I've volunteered with
> the Red Cross for years. I got my start after the Northridge earthquake.
> Don't knock volunteering!

True, i volunteer a lot too

Neil
Thu Sep 02 08:31:07 CDT 2004

babbling on and on again "nerd32768" <nerd{nospam}32768@gmail.com>
spewed in news:#ji4qXOkEHA.4092@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl:

> The tests arent too hard, and they make your parents shut up about
> wasting time
>

yup, it was parental approval that drove me to get my MCSE too...
;)

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Neil MCNGP #30
the "curious" hair on the soap of society

Neil
Thu Sep 02 08:30:02 CDT 2004

babbling on and on again "nerd32768" <nerd{nospam}32768@gmail.com>
spewed in news:eaf7YVOkEHA.3520@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl:

> LOL!!!!! $30 an hour!!!!! good joke. keep the good job at the grocery
> store. You'll make more money. i only get $20 an hour, working for
> myself, after school. I can barely afford to buy my own lunch(maybe i
> should stop saving my money for a new laptop)

GET TO SCHOOL YA BUM!

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Neil MCNGP #30
the "curious" hair on the soap of society

Neil
Thu Sep 02 08:29:28 CDT 2004

babbling on and on again "Robert Kent" <robertkent@yahooie.coma> spewed in
news:OrOqg6LkEHA.2680@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl:

> LOL! I'll forego the free slurpees for $30 per hour or more...

try and remember that on a hot day when you are sweating away wishing for a
"Big Gulp"...

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Neil MCNGP #30
the "curious" hair on the soap of society

Neil
Thu Sep 02 08:31:29 CDT 2004

babbling on and on again Laura A. Robinson
<geekwench@snippit.hotmail.com> spewed in
news:MPG.1ba062cefbb8e5ff98aaee@msnews.microsoft.com:

> circa Wed, 01 Sep 2004 18:00:43 -0700, in
> microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse, Neil (neilmcse@nospamforyou.com)
> said,
>>
>> > Or plumbing, if you're not into feathers...
>>
>> do you like feathers?
>>
>>
> Nice try.

Fine Plumbing it is....

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Neil MCNGP #30
the "curious" hair on the soap of society

Neil
Thu Sep 02 08:32:27 CDT 2004

babbling on and on again catwalker63 <_catwalker63_@hotmamamail.com>
spewed in news:Xns9558F0345FBCcatwalker63athotmail@216.196.97.136:

> Nothing makes me happier than figuring out why someone's machine won't
> boot or why someone is getting this or that error.
>

it's the praise that makes me stay...I'm a glory hound...

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Neil MCNGP #30
the "curious" hair on the soap of society

TBone
Thu Sep 02 08:40:13 CDT 2004

"The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere" <.> wrote
> >Yeah, buddy, that's the way to do it.
>
> lemme tell ya them guys ain't dumb..

Maybe get a blister on your clicking finger.

Ken
Thu Sep 02 08:44:44 CDT 2004

"nerd32768" <nerd{nospam}32768@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:eaf7YVOkEHA.3520@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>
> LOL!!!!! $30 an hour!!!!! good joke. keep the good job at the grocery
store.
> You'll make more money. i only get $20 an hour, working for myself, after
> school. I can barely afford to buy my own lunch(maybe i should stop saving
> my money for a new laptop)

I don't care what the economy is like, a 13 year old making $20/hr is
sitting pretty.

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KB - MCNGP "silent thug" #26

first initial last name AT gmail DOT com

Rich
Thu Sep 02 09:25:24 CDT 2004

Perhaps you should start out a little lower on the IT food
chain. I know help desk support sucks but sometimes this
is a good place to start out. Look at possibly getting
you MCDST (for Desktop Support). Look for work as an
Internet Helpdesk Tech or even a Level 1 support tech at
any company.
Not sure what location you are looking at but here in
Kansas they don't have hardly any qualified techs. My old
place of employement seems to be hiring anyone that can
spell MCSE let alone do the work.
Good luck.

Rich H
>-----Original Message-----
>I'm a courtesy clerk working at a local grocery store
earning a bit more
>than minimum wage. I'm thinking about going for MCSE
certification, but I
>can't afford the $3k+ that local schools want for the
training.
>
>Do I have any other options? Does Federal financial aid
pay for this kind of
>training? My income is low enough to qualify if it does.
>
>
>
>
>.
>