Certifications & Qualifications for a good job

Hi all
I'm 1 test away from obtaining my MCSE:Security 2000 & 1 test away from my CCNA

I'm trying to make sure that I have the proper qualifications for a $70K per year job. However, when I look at the current job opennings, the qualifications they list are not all the same. For example: A lot of them require programming. But they don't say which programming is required. I'm worried about spending money I can't afford to learn one type of programming language and then lose a job because they require a different programming language skill. This example holds true for Certifications and other skill sets

Can anyone tell me what skill sets I need to be qualified for this type of high paying job

I'm looking into Network Admin or Network Engineer positions. Anything network related as long as it pays $70K per year. That is the goal

Help,, Help, Hel

Thank

Mike

|{evin
Mon Feb 02 19:25:35 CST 2004

On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 17:01:08 -0800, MikeSt
<anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>I'm looking into Network Admin or Network Engineer positions.
> Anything network related as long as it pays $70K per year. That is the goal.
>

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAhahahhaahahahaa

oh wait.. were you SERIOUS?

JaR
Mon Feb 02 19:34:16 CST 2004


"MikeSt" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:F79E8AB2-21D7-4B15-BE61-EEAEDE1E1CCD@microsoft.com...
> Hi all.
> I'm 1 test away from obtaining my MCSE:Security 2000 & 1 test away from my
CCNA.
>
> I'm trying to make sure that I have the proper qualifications for a $70K
per year job. However, when I look at the current job opennings, the
qualifications they list are not all the same. For example: A lot of them
require programming. But they don't say which programming is required. I'm
worried about spending money I can't afford to learn one type of programming
language and then lose a job because they require a different programming
language skill. This example holds true for Certifications and other skill
sets.
>
> Can anyone tell me what skill sets I need to be qualified for this type of
high paying job?
>
> I'm looking into Network Admin or Network Engineer positions. Anything
network related as long as it pays $70K per year. That is the goal.
>
>

Coupled with your Computer Science or equivalent degree, and about 3-5 years
experience administering, designing, and implementing global networks, I
would think that being proficient in C++ or Perl and a CCIE should about do
it. You should not need more than those fairly basic skills to comfortably
land a $70,000 PY slot.

HTH

JaR
Thug #22

Rowdy
Mon Feb 02 20:38:11 CST 2004

=?Utf-8?B?TWlrZVN0?= <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
news:F79E8AB2-21D7-4B15-BE61-EEAEDE1E1CCD@microsoft.com:

> Hi all.
> I'm 1 test away from obtaining my MCSE:Security 2000 & 1 test away
> from my CCNA.
>
> I'm trying to make sure that I have the proper qualifications for a
> $70K per year job. However, when I look at the current job opennings,
> the qualifications they list are not all the same. For example: A lot
> of them require programming. But they don't say which programming is
> required. I'm worried about spending money I can't afford to learn one
> type of programming language and then lose a job because they require
> a different programming language skill. This example holds true for
> Certifications and other skill sets.
>
> Can anyone tell me what skill sets I need to be qualified for this
> type of high paying job?
>
> I'm looking into Network Admin or Network Engineer positions. Anything
> network related as long as it pays $70K per year. That is the goal.
>
> Help,, Help, Help
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike

oh boy. another gold digger bites the dust.

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I am Against-TCPA
http://www.againsttcpa.com

BubbaTek
Mon Feb 02 21:45:54 CST 2004

Add in a CISSP &/or a CCSP and you should be golden.
Otherwise, check into the Truck Driving School of
America. CCIE's used to make 6 figures. Nothing is
guaranteed anymore. Thank Y2K for that :)



>-----Original Message-----
>Hi all.
>I'm 1 test away from obtaining my MCSE:Security 2000 & 1
test away from my CCNA.
>
>I'm trying to make sure that I have the proper
qualifications for a $70K per year job. However, when I
look at the current job opennings, the qualifications they
list are not all the same. For example: A lot of them
require programming. But they don't say which programming
is required. I'm worried about spending money I can't
afford to learn one type of programming language and then
lose a job because they require a different programming
language skill. This example holds true for Certifications
and other skill sets.
>
>Can anyone tell me what skill sets I need to be qualified
for this type of high paying job?
>
>I'm looking into Network Admin or Network Engineer
positions. Anything network related as long as it pays
$70K per year. That is the goal.
>
>Help,, Help, Help
>
>Thanks
>
>Mike
>.
>

Rowdy
Mon Feb 02 22:00:39 CST 2004

"BubbaTek" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in news:921701c3ea08
$3995ea70$a401280a@phx.gbl:

> Add in a CISSP &/or a CCSP and you should be golden.
> Otherwise, check into the Truck Driving School of
> America. CCIE's used to make 6 figures. Nothing is
> guaranteed anymore. Thank Y2K for that :)
>

okay you got my attention.

why do you think that? why has Y2K brought down the CCIE's salary?


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I am Against-TCPA
http://www.againsttcpa.com

anonymous
Mon Feb 02 23:36:08 CST 2004

Well guys
Before Y2k, I was a Jr. Admin with no certs making 50k

If you look at the salary charts for these types of jobs, they say 60-70k is do-able. Those sites "say" they get these figures by interviewing companies with different employee ranges.

According to those charts, Every computer and network job I've ever had has paid me about 10k less than the minimum on the scale

My experience is 10 years in the industry

Nevertheless, I've looked at job opennings that list starting pay. The jobs that pay that much are out there, but their list of qualifications vary and are not specific enough (it says programming, but doesnt say what type

this Industry is really difficult

Mike

Jon
Tue Feb 03 06:24:45 CST 2004

Dear everyone,

I would like to invent something that would make me=20
=A3=A3=A3Million's so I can retire young and live the dream...=20
The only problem is, I can't think of anything to invent.

Can you post ideas on here for me please, because I=20
really can't be arsed to do any work for myself.

Thanks,
Jon


>-----Original Message-----
>Hi all.
>I'm 1 test away from obtaining my MCSE:Security 2000 & 1=20
test away from my CCNA.
>
>I'm trying to make sure that I have the proper=20
qualifications for a $70K per year job. However, when I=20
look at the current job opennings, the qualifications=20
they list are not all the same. For example: A lot of=20
them require programming. But they don't say which=20
programming is required. I'm worried about spending money=20
I can't afford to learn one type of programming language=20
and then lose a job because they require a different=20
programming language skill. This example holds true for=20
Certifications and other skill sets.
>
>Can anyone tell me what skill sets I need to be=20
qualified for this type of high paying job?
>
>I'm looking into Network Admin or Network Engineer=20
positions. Anything network related as long as it pays=20
$70K per year. That is the goal.
>
>Help,, Help, Help
>
>Thanks
>
>Mike
>.
>

Politician
Tue Feb 03 08:37:31 CST 2004

"MikeSt" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:F79E8AB2-21D7-4B15-BE61-EEAEDE1E1CCD@microsoft.com...
> Hi all.
> I'm 1 test away from obtaining my MCSE:Security 2000 & 1 test away from my
CCNA.
>
> I'm trying to make sure that I have the proper qualifications for a $70K
per year job. However, when I look at the current job opennings, the
qualifications they list are not all the same. For example: A lot of them
require programming. But they don't say which programming is required. I'm
worried about spending money I can't afford to learn one type of programming
language and then lose a job because they require a different programming
language skill. This example holds true for Certifications and other skill
sets.
>
> Can anyone tell me what skill sets I need to be qualified for this type of
high paying job?
>
> I'm looking into Network Admin or Network Engineer positions. Anything
network related as long as it pays $70K per year. That is the goal.
>
> Help,, Help, Help
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike

You want a job making $70K per year? Here's the answer: Be worth $70K per
year.

Listen, there are so many things within this industry that books and courses
will never teach you. The reason they don't state what programming language
is required is because some languages are better suited for some solutions
than others. They probably don't want you to be able to write a mission
critical application if you are the Network Admin, but would expect you to
be able to write a script to do a basic scheduled task, and that script may
need to be written in VB, Java, ASP, PHP, etc,... So they aren't looking for
someone who is certified in a language from reading a book, but someone who
has a good understanding of algorithmic design and could do a quick learning
job of the appropriate language. Most inexperienced people can't do that.
And this is what it comes down to: until you have about 5 years of
experience, unless you are some sort of prodigy, you are not going to make
$70K as a Network Admin, and your not going to get a job as an Network
Engineer.

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Consultant
Tue Feb 03 09:20:35 CST 2004

he should be able to get a company car too, no prob

"|{evin" <You@dont.need> wrote in message
news:d2ut105c0gtvj7puocpk9fkla1qsb4llj0@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 17:01:08 -0800, MikeSt
> <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> >I'm looking into Network Admin or Network Engineer positions.
> > Anything network related as long as it pays $70K per year. That is the
goal.
> >
>
> HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAhahahhaahahahaa
>
> oh wait.. were you SERIOUS?
>

The
Tue Feb 03 14:12:03 CST 2004

Yes.
On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 04:24:45 -0800, "Jon"
<anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>Dear everyone,
>
>I would like to invent something that would make me
>£££Million's so I can retire young and live the dream...
>The only problem is, I can't think of anything to invent.
>
>Can you post ideas on here for me please, because I
>really can't be arsed to do any work for myself.
>
>Thanks,
>Jon
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>Hi all.
>>I'm 1 test away from obtaining my MCSE:Security 2000 & 1
>test away from my CCNA.
>>
>>I'm trying to make sure that I have the proper
>qualifications for a $70K per year job. However, when I
>look at the current job opennings, the qualifications
>they list are not all the same. For example: A lot of
>them require programming. But they don't say which
>programming is required. I'm worried about spending money
>I can't afford to learn one type of programming language
>and then lose a job because they require a different
>programming language skill. This example holds true for
>Certifications and other skill sets.
>>
>>Can anyone tell me what skill sets I need to be
>qualified for this type of high paying job?
>>
>>I'm looking into Network Admin or Network Engineer
>positions. Anything network related as long as it pays
>$70K per year. That is the goal.
>>
>>Help,, Help, Help
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>Mike
>>.
>>


Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3

Jon
Wed Feb 04 05:19:27 CST 2004

Company car?

What MS exam is best to take to get a company car? Should
I do MSCE 2000 or MCSE 2003??
Does 2003 include the leather seats upgrade?


Please advise.


>-----Original Message-----
>he should be able to get a company car too, no prob
>
>"|{evin" <You@dont.need> wrote in message
>news:d2ut105c0gtvj7puocpk9fkla1qsb4llj0@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 17:01:08 -0800, MikeSt
>> <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>
>> >I'm looking into Network Admin or Network Engineer
positions.
>> > Anything network related as long as it pays $70K per
year. That is the
>goal.
>> >
>>
>> HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAhahahhaahahahaa
>>
>> oh wait.. were you SERIOUS?
>>
>
>
>.
>

kpg
Wed Feb 04 10:43:59 CST 2004

Job seeking advice: If you don't know something, but you
are resourseful, intelligent, and generally otherwise capable
then don't be intimidated about interviewing for the job you
want.

Let me explain: The job requirements put forth are often "ideal"
requirements. I have seen some where they want this long
list of skills but the pay is low. If someone has all those skill
they want they could demand triple. What they really want
is someone competant. I have interviewed many "professionals"
over the years and let me tell you - I would sell my soal for one
motivated, intellegent individual that wants to learn and grow
in their profession. Talk with the employeer about the job
requirements. If there is an area you where don't know what
they want: ask them:

"I'm familiar with application security but could you clairify this
Secure Application Deployment requiremet you are asking for?"

By having an intellegent discussion with the employeer you can
get a feel for what they *really* want and they can get a feel
for what you are capable of.

note: Employeer = not human resources department. Their job
is to get rid of you. Go find "the man" (or "the woman").

KP "I hate job hunting, which is why I'm still here" G

kpg
Wed Feb 04 10:51:57 CST 2004

I would also sell my soal for a spell checker that works better
than this crappy OE one.

Ken
Wed Feb 04 10:54:33 CST 2004

> Systems Firewall Installation and Administration
> There are several different firewalls out there. I've worked with
lots of them. If they are basically the same, I can learn this quickly.

All firewalls serve the same general purpose, some with more bells and
whistles than others. But the method in which they're applied can be very
different. Hardware firewalls? Software firewalls? Automobile firewalls?

> Extensive knowledge of network or host-based Intrusion Detection Systems
and firewalls
> This is another one where the versions are different. Personally,
I think the IDS in ISA could have been better.

Sure.

> Extensive knowledge of application and database security
> What does this mean?

I wouldn't call this a certification, but maybe a prerequisite for a
certification (MCDBA, perhaps?) Application and database security mean just
that - "locking down" your database and certain (all?) your applications in
order to prevent intrusion (theft of data, corruption of data, general
misuse, etc)

> Knowledge of secure application development
> What does this mean?

This is more programming. Knowing how to create applications (that may or
may not interact with other applications and/or databases [see above]) that
are not susceptible to the hacking/data theft/data corruption/etc mentioned
above. Any application you develop should have some measure of security
(unless you're writing a Solitaire clone...) built in. If there is no
security, then, well, you have a security problem.

I tend to think that if you have *none* of these skills, you won't be
making 70K a year. Security is a big deal nowadays, what with all the
viruses and whatnot. Hardware security (firewalls), as well as
application-level security (software development).
And you definitely can't expect to get a 70K/yr job with no experience in
the field. You need a degree (probably), certs (probably), and experience
(definitely) to get 70K. No one is going to hire an IT newbie for 70K, when
they can get an experienced IT pro for 70K. So my suggestion is to take
some kind of training in IT (whatever specific field you're interested in),
get certified, and get your foot in the door any way you can. IT is a tough
nut to crack right now, so don't be disappointed if you're starting out at
30K. That's how it works, unfortunately. Sorry to burst your bubble.

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first initial last name AT hotmail DOT com

|{evin
Wed Feb 04 19:39:47 CST 2004

On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 04:24:45 -0800, "Jon"
<anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>Dear everyone,
>
>I would like to invent something that would make me
>£££Million's so I can retire young and live the dream...
>The only problem is, I can't think of anything to invent.
>
>Can you post ideas on here for me please, because I
>really can't be arsed to do any work for myself.
>
>Thanks,
>Jon
>
>
How about a jump to conclusions mat?

Politician
Thu Feb 05 07:38:57 CST 2004

"|{evin" <You@dont.need> wrote in message
news:5k732097pdj4mun54sgi108og058jmuknm@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 04:24:45 -0800, "Jon"
> <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> >Dear everyone,
> >
> >I would like to invent something that would make me
> >£££Million's so I can retire young and live the dream...
> >The only problem is, I can't think of anything to invent.
> >
> >Can you post ideas on here for me please, because I
> >really can't be arsed to do any work for myself.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Jon
> >
> >
> How about a jump to conclusions mat?
>


That is the worse idea I've ever heard in my life, Tom.

Yes, yes, it's horrible.this idea..


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Ken
Thu Feb 05 07:55:35 CST 2004

> How about a jump to conclusions mat?
>

Good things *can* happen! I mean....look at me!

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Consultant
Thu Feb 05 09:12:17 CST 2004

It's a "Jump to Conclusions Mat". You see, you have this mat, with different
CONCLUSIONS written on it that you could JUMP TO.


"Ken Briscoe" <youcant@sendmespam.com> wrote in message
news:OzjK6%23%236DHA.2764@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > How about a jump to conclusions mat?
> >
>
> Good things *can* happen! I mean....look at me!
>
> --
>
> KB - MCNGP "silent thug" #26
>
> first initial last name AT hotmail DOT com
>
>

Ken
Thu Feb 05 09:24:53 CST 2004

> It's a "Jump to Conclusions Mat". You see, you have this mat, with
different
> CONCLUSIONS written on it that you could JUMP TO.

...like the guy who invented the pet rock. that was a good idea. i mean,
the guy made a *million* dollars!

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Jonojacker
Sat Feb 07 06:05:26 CST 2004


This guy is obviously fishing and I'm surprised some of you bit.

What exam do I need to take to get company car AND entertainmen
expense account?

:

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anonymous
Wed Feb 11 18:01:09 CST 2004

Thanks for the replies guys.

To recap, I am not a newbie. I have between 5-10 years in the field, everything from PC Repair all the way up to Network Design and implementation. It was the lack of certs that killed me after 2000. I mean I had no certs at all

That's what I've been doing. I have A+ (Whoopi!) MCP, MCSE: Security, and CCNA will be finished next month

I can do the job. It's in my resume. I just need the certs to prove it. I'm just concerned about other knowledge I may need and other certs. You guys have givine me some ideas, thank

Mike