Hi,

MCSE 2000 Upgradeing to 2003

I just took an 70-292 MCSE upgrade exam for the third time. The first time
I got 650, the second time 550. I went through the entire Microsoft
curriculum. I wasted $100 for Microsoft's WORTHLESS "Upgrading Your
Certification to Windows Server 2003", going through the entire book and all
the labs. When I took it the third time, the score was also 550. I feel
like I answered almost all of the questions correctly. Then I get this crap
about how "Some questions may not be counted, others are for
testing/development purposes, blah blah, blah". How the hell do I know what
is counted and what is not? This doesn't seem ethical here. It is
incomprehensible to me that I have spent 4 months preparing for this exam and
$375 down the tubes and I can't even get any feedback on waht I missed, if I
missed. How do we even know if the exam results are processed correctly or
ethically if we can't get any feedback on anything? 70-292 bites. Anyone
else have these problems? Can you suggest better study material than
Microsoft's WORTHLESS crap? They can make the exam but they can't produce
any training material that covers it. C.G.

Re: 70-292 - Anybody have any suggestions? by The

The
Thu Feb 10 16:35:12 CST 2005

I think we get the picture. You failed, no need to post that more than once.
Understand 292 is a hard exam, considering it's a consolidated exam. Also
don't knock the MS Press study material because you failed. The books are
fine, I've read them. Calling MS worthless isn't going to get you anywhere,
however there are other solutions out there. Amazon.com has user reviews,
but like any studies you should never limit to one source.

Again the MS Press books are fine, stop being so negative. As for question
the ethics of an exam. You can challenge the exam. That would however
require you to call Microsoft. I just wouldn't recommend the same tine with
them.

--
"The Rev" MCNGP #44
Microsoft Certified Trainer

Memories fade but a Google search never forgets.
justafreak.com
.
"C.G." <C.G.@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:CFAB0F3F-9509-4AE9-8B9F-B993609AFB8D@microsoft.com...
> Hi,
>
> MCSE 2000 Upgradeing to 2003
>
> I just took an 70-292 MCSE upgrade exam for the third time. The first
time
> I got 650, the second time 550. I went through the entire Microsoft
> curriculum. I wasted $100 for Microsoft's WORTHLESS "Upgrading Your
> Certification to Windows Server 2003", going through the entire book and
all
> the labs. When I took it the third time, the score was also 550. I feel
> like I answered almost all of the questions correctly. Then I get this
crap
> about how "Some questions may not be counted, others are for
> testing/development purposes, blah blah, blah". How the hell do I know
what
> is counted and what is not? This doesn't seem ethical here. It is
> incomprehensible to me that I have spent 4 months preparing for this exam
and
> $375 down the tubes and I can't even get any feedback on waht I missed, if
I
> missed. How do we even know if the exam results are processed correctly
or
> ethically if we can't get any feedback on anything? 70-292 bites.
Anyone
> else have these problems? Can you suggest better study material than
> Microsoft's WORTHLESS crap? They can make the exam but they can't produce
> any training material that covers it. C.G.



Re: 70-292 - Anybody have any suggestions? by Wayne

Wayne
Thu Feb 10 17:01:45 CST 2005

What is obvious is that you simply do not *know* Windows 2003, otherwise you
would have passed. Don't blame the test for your own inadequacies. Try
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/default.mspx

--

Wayne McGlinn
Brisbane, Oz

"Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system
of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the
masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony"
- Dennis (sometime in the middle ages)

"C.G." <C.G.@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:CFAB0F3F-9509-4AE9-8B9F-B993609AFB8D@microsoft.com...
> Hi,
>
> MCSE 2000 Upgradeing to 2003
>
> I just took an 70-292 MCSE upgrade exam for the third time. The first
> time
> I got 650, the second time 550. I went through the entire Microsoft
> curriculum. I wasted $100 for Microsoft's WORTHLESS "Upgrading Your
> Certification to Windows Server 2003", going through the entire book and
> all
> the labs. When I took it the third time, the score was also 550. I feel
> like I answered almost all of the questions correctly. Then I get this
> crap
> about how "Some questions may not be counted, others are for
> testing/development purposes, blah blah, blah". How the hell do I know
> what
> is counted and what is not? This doesn't seem ethical here. It is
> incomprehensible to me that I have spent 4 months preparing for this exam
> and
> $375 down the tubes and I can't even get any feedback on waht I missed, if
> I
> missed. How do we even know if the exam results are processed correctly
> or
> ethically if we can't get any feedback on anything? 70-292 bites.
> Anyone
> else have these problems? Can you suggest better study material than
> Microsoft's WORTHLESS crap? They can make the exam but they can't produce
> any training material that covers it. C.G.



Re: 70-292 - Anybody have any suggestions? by Steven

Steven
Thu Feb 10 19:41:59 CST 2005

I found 70-292 rather easily and passed it no problem the first time a few
months back. I used the Microsoft press book as my "core" study guide. I am
glad the exams are tougher and they really do require quite a bit of hands
on which can be done on a modest home network. In general I find the quality
of Microsoft Press books to have improved quite a bit in the last couple of
years. I also sent quite a bit of time using the free Windows 2003 Server
Deployment Kit for the pertinent chapters. Doing the labs once is not good
enough in my opinion. You need to become VERY familiar with the technologies
in the labs and use them for a period of weeks [at least] to sink in. A
thorough understanding of dns is an absolute must and there have been some
changes in W2003. I also recommend reading the whole book and not just the
70-292 chapters for the exam, particularly dns, Group Policy, Software
Installation via Group Policy, Remote Desktop, Terminal Services, backups,
etc. I noticed that many of the questions had subtle differences in what
would be the correct answer based on the criteria given. Sorry to here about
your experience but the test is definitely passable. I had Windows 2003
installed on my test lab at home and worked with it for a year before I
actually started studying for the upgrade exams. When you have the product
key memorized for the install disk you know you are getting close. ---
Steve


"C.G." <C.G.@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:CFAB0F3F-9509-4AE9-8B9F-B993609AFB8D@microsoft.com...
> Hi,
>
> MCSE 2000 Upgradeing to 2003
>
> I just took an 70-292 MCSE upgrade exam for the third time. The first
> time
> I got 650, the second time 550. I went through the entire Microsoft
> curriculum. I wasted $100 for Microsoft's WORTHLESS "Upgrading Your
> Certification to Windows Server 2003", going through the entire book and
> all
> the labs. When I took it the third time, the score was also 550. I feel
> like I answered almost all of the questions correctly. Then I get this
> crap
> about how "Some questions may not be counted, others are for
> testing/development purposes, blah blah, blah". How the hell do I know
> what
> is counted and what is not? This doesn't seem ethical here. It is
> incomprehensible to me that I have spent 4 months preparing for this exam
> and
> $375 down the tubes and I can't even get any feedback on waht I missed, if
> I
> missed. How do we even know if the exam results are processed correctly
> or
> ethically if we can't get any feedback on anything? 70-292 bites.
> Anyone
> else have these problems? Can you suggest better study material than
> Microsoft's WORTHLESS crap? They can make the exam but they can't produce
> any training material that covers it. C.G.



Re: 70-292 - Anybody have any suggestions? by Neil

Neil
Fri Feb 11 06:54:40 CST 2005

did you hear "Wayne" <wayne@briz.oz> say in news:#maSKS8DFHA.3492
@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl:

> Don't blame the test for your own inadequacies.

why did that sound like "Don't blame da playah, Blame da game"

--
Neil MCNGP #30

- I couldn't help myself. They were so big and round and beautiful, I
just had to touch them! Then she started screaming 'MY EYES!, MY EYES!'
and ruined the mood.

Re: 70-292 - Anybody have any suggestions? by Neil

Neil
Fri Feb 11 06:58:10 CST 2005

did you hear "=?Utf-8?B?Qy5HLg==?=" <C.G.@discussions.microsoft.com> say
in news:CFAB0F3F-9509-4AE9-8B9F-B993609AFB8D@microsoft.com:

> 70-292 bites.

MS has made it a harder exam, in the hopes that it will force you to
really learn the product. Using the product in a production enviornment
is still a recommendation:

"intended for IT professionals who work in the typically complex
computing environment of medium to large companies. Candidates should
have experience administering client and network operating systems in
environments that have the following characteristics:

250 to 5,000 or more users
Three or more physical locations
Three or more domain controllers
Network services and resources such as messaging, database, file and
print, proxy server, firewall, Internet, intranet, remote access, and
client computer management
Connectivity requirements such as connecting branch offices and
individual users in remote locations to the corporate network and
connecting corporate networks to the Internet "

http://www.microsoft.com/learning/exams/70-292.asp#AUDIENCE

so back to the books (on line) and work with the products. good luck next
time.

--
Neil MCNGP #30

- I couldn't help myself. They were so big and round and beautiful, I
just had to touch them! Then she started screaming 'MY EYES!, MY EYES!'
and ruined the mood.

Re: 70-292 - Anybody have any suggestions? by Consultant

Consultant
Fri Feb 11 08:38:56 CST 2005

dont hate the playa, hate the game, fool

"Neil" <guess!!!@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95FA5077E7E6Eneilmcsegmailcom@207.46.248.16...
> did you hear "Wayne" <wayne@briz.oz> say in news:#maSKS8DFHA.3492
> @TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl:
>
>> Don't blame the test for your own inadequacies.
>
> why did that sound like "Don't blame da playah, Blame da game"
>
> --
> Neil MCNGP #30
>
> - I couldn't help myself. They were so big and round and beautiful, I
> just had to touch them! Then she started screaming 'MY EYES!, MY EYES!'
> and ruined the mood.



Re: 70-292 - Anybody have any suggestions? by Rowdy

Rowdy
Fri Feb 11 10:43:57 CST 2005

"Consultant" <consultant_mcngp@yahoo.com> wrote in news:eOs6rdEEFHA.2700
@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl:

> Subject: Re: 70-292 - Anybody have any suggestions?
> From: "Consultant" <consultant_mcngp@yahoo.com>
> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse
>
> dont hate the playa, hate the game, fool

and the game is a fool to play you!


Yo, am I makin' myself clear NOW!

--
Rowdy Yates, MCNGP #39
http://www.mcngp.com/
http://profiles.yahoo.com/rowdy_yates_mcngp

70-292 - Anybody have any suggestions? by anonymous

anonymous
Fri Feb 11 16:28:06 CST 2005

I am going through the same thing. Took the exam three
times and failed it three times. The last time was 550.
I could swear I got most of the questions right. I even
scored perfect on two of the sections. I am clueless on
how they are scoring these exams.

>-----Original Message-----
>Hi,
>
>MCSE 2000 Upgradeing to 2003
>
>I just took an 70-292 MCSE upgrade exam for the third
time. The first time
>I got 650, the second time 550. I went through the
entire Microsoft
>curriculum. I wasted $100 for Microsoft's
WORTHLESS "Upgrading Your
>Certification to Windows Server 2003", going through the
entire book and all
>the labs. When I took it the third time, the score was
also 550. I feel
>like I answered almost all of the questions correctly.
Then I get this crap
>about how "Some questions may not be counted, others are
for
>testing/development purposes, blah blah, blah". How the
hell do I know what
>is counted and what is not? This doesn't seem ethical
here. It is
>incomprehensible to me that I have spent 4 months
preparing for this exam and
>$375 down the tubes and I can't even get any feedback on
waht I missed, if I
>missed. How do we even know if the exam results are
processed correctly or
>ethically if we can't get any feedback on anything? 70-
292 bites. Anyone
>else have these problems? Can you suggest better study
material than
>Microsoft's WORTHLESS crap? They can make the exam but
they can't produce
>any training material that covers it. C.G.
>.
>

Re: 70-292 - Anybody have any suggestions? by Mita201

Mita201
Sat Feb 12 08:13:02 CST 2005

Steve,

I believe you realize that exam has changed recently, and it is
completely different story now than few months ago. I have looked on many
forums about this exam, and found only one guy that passed it after new year,
with score 700. Also, found testimony of guy who took it in english and
failed, then took one in spanish, got old exam (53 questions), and pass it
with 953. I believe that something is wrong with this exam, its look like too
many people failing.
I am not going to take this one for a while, I really
believe something is wrong with this exam.
Forums about other microsoft exams
shows that some people are passing and some are failing - wich is normal.
70-292 everybody fails after new year.




"Steven L Umbach" wrote:

> I
found 70-292 rather easily and passed it no problem the first time a few
>
months back. I used the Microsoft press book as my "core" study guide. I am

> glad the exams are tougher and they really do require quite a bit of hands

> on which can be done on a modest home network. In general I find the
quality
> of Microsoft Press books to have improved quite a bit in the last
couple of
> years. I also sent quite a bit of time using the free Windows
2003 Server
> Deployment Kit for the pertinent chapters. Doing the labs once
is not good
> enough in my opinion. You need to become VERY familiar with
the technologies
> in the labs and use them for a period of weeks [at least]
to sink in. A
> thorough understanding of dns is an absolute must and there
have been some
> changes in W2003. I also recommend reading the whole book
and not just the
> 70-292 chapters for the exam, particularly dns, Group
Policy, Software
> Installation via Group Policy, Remote Desktop, Terminal
Services, backups,
> etc. I noticed that many of the questions had subtle
differences in what
> would be the correct answer based on the criteria
given. Sorry to here about
> your experience but the test is definitely
passable. I had Windows 2003
> installed on my test lab at home and worked
with it for a year before I
> actually started studying for the upgrade
exams. When you have the product
> key memorized for the install disk you
know you are getting close. ---
> Steve
>
>
> "C.G."
<C.G.@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>
news:CFAB0F3F-9509-4AE9-8B9F-B993609AFB8D@microsoft.com...
> > Hi,
> >
> >
MCSE 2000 Upgradeing to 2003
> >
> > I just took an 70-292 MCSE upgrade exam
for the third time. The first
> > time
> > I got 650, the second time 550.
I went through the entire Microsoft
> > curriculum. I wasted $100 for
Microsoft's WORTHLESS "Upgrading Your
> > Certification to Windows Server
2003", going through the entire book and
> > all
> > the labs. When I took
it the third time, the score was also 550. I feel
> > like I answered almost
all of the questions correctly. Then I get this
> > crap
> > about how
"Some questions may not be counted, others are for
> > testing/development
purposes, blah blah, blah". How the hell do I know
> > what
> > is counted
and what is not? This doesn't seem ethical here. It is
> > incomprehensible
to me that I have spent 4 months preparing for this exam
> > and
> > $375
down the tubes and I can't even get any feedback on waht I missed, if
> >
I
> > missed. How do we even know if the exam results are processed
correctly
> > or
> > ethically if we can't get any feedback on anything?
70-292 bites.
> > Anyone
> > else have these problems? Can you suggest
better study material than
> > Microsoft's WORTHLESS crap? They can make the
exam but they can't produce
> > any training material that covers it. C.G.

>
>
>

Re: 70-292 - Anybody have any suggestions? by Andrew

Andrew
Sat Feb 12 09:25:32 CST 2005

I received the 40Q exam and I had one of the questions crap out on me (ended
up getting the admin for the exam and after several calls to the test
company, they added less time than it took to alert about the issue). I
pushed through but only received a 650 and did not receive a print out on
how I did in each section.

I've continued to read the same thing - people that state they have A LOT of
experience with W2K3 and failing.

Go to Google and type "Failed 70-292." You're gonna find that a lot of ppl
have failed a new version of this exam because it's doesn't map to the
requirements that MSFT is asking you to study and the grading seems to be
way off. I read a post where a person had only a low of 75% on 1 of 4 of
their sectional scores and *still failed* the exam. The link is below but
still check out Google for other experiences. I wish I had before I took the
exam. I would have waited.

http://www.dbforums.com/t1078923.html




"Mita201" <Mita201@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:687447AF-2025-49DC-BF8D-5A49A5B43E1A@microsoft.com...
> Steve,
>
> I believe you realize that exam has changed recently, and it is
> completely different story now than few months ago. I have looked on many
> forums about this exam, and found only one guy that passed it after new
> year,
> with score 700. Also, found testimony of guy who took it in english and
> failed, then took one in spanish, got old exam (53 questions), and pass it
> with 953. I believe that something is wrong with this exam, its look like
> too
> many people failing.
> I am not going to take this one for a while, I really
> believe something is wrong with this exam.
> Forums about other microsoft exams
> shows that some people are passing and some are failing - wich is normal.
> 70-292 everybody fails after new year.
>
>
>
>
> "Steven L Umbach" wrote:
>
>> I
> found 70-292 rather easily and passed it no problem the first time a few
>>
> months back. I used the Microsoft press book as my "core" study guide. I
> am
>
>> glad the exams are tougher and they really do require quite a bit of
>> hands
>
>> on which can be done on a modest home network. In general I find the
> quality
>> of Microsoft Press books to have improved quite a bit in the last
> couple of
>> years. I also sent quite a bit of time using the free Windows
> 2003 Server
>> Deployment Kit for the pertinent chapters. Doing the labs once
> is not good
>> enough in my opinion. You need to become VERY familiar with
> the technologies
>> in the labs and use them for a period of weeks [at least]
> to sink in. A
>> thorough understanding of dns is an absolute must and there
> have been some
>> changes in W2003. I also recommend reading the whole book
> and not just the
>> 70-292 chapters for the exam, particularly dns, Group
> Policy, Software
>> Installation via Group Policy, Remote Desktop, Terminal
> Services, backups,
>> etc. I noticed that many of the questions had subtle
> differences in what
>> would be the correct answer based on the criteria
> given. Sorry to here about
>> your experience but the test is definitely
> passable. I had Windows 2003
>> installed on my test lab at home and worked
> with it for a year before I
>> actually started studying for the upgrade
> exams. When you have the product
>> key memorized for the install disk you
> know you are getting close. ---
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> "C.G."
> <C.G.@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>
> news:CFAB0F3F-9509-4AE9-8B9F-B993609AFB8D@microsoft.com...
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> >
> MCSE 2000 Upgradeing to 2003
>> >
>> > I just took an 70-292 MCSE upgrade exam
> for the third time. The first
>> > time
>> > I got 650, the second time 550.
> I went through the entire Microsoft
>> > curriculum. I wasted $100 for
> Microsoft's WORTHLESS "Upgrading Your
>> > Certification to Windows Server
> 2003", going through the entire book and
>> > all
>> > the labs. When I took
> it the third time, the score was also 550. I feel
>> > like I answered almost
> all of the questions correctly. Then I get this
>> > crap
>> > about how
> "Some questions may not be counted, others are for
>> > testing/development
> purposes, blah blah, blah". How the hell do I know
>> > what
>> > is counted
> and what is not? This doesn't seem ethical here. It is
>> > incomprehensible
> to me that I have spent 4 months preparing for this exam
>> > and
>> > $375
> down the tubes and I can't even get any feedback on waht I missed, if
>> >
> I
>> > missed. How do we even know if the exam results are processed
> correctly
>> > or
>> > ethically if we can't get any feedback on anything?
> 70-292 bites.
>> > Anyone
>> > else have these problems? Can you suggest
> better study material than
>> > Microsoft's WORTHLESS crap? They can make the
> exam but they can't produce
>> > any training material that covers it. C.G.
>
>>
>>
>>



Re: 70-292 - Anybody have any suggestions? by Steven

Steven
Sun Feb 13 13:04:57 CST 2005

I took it last October so maybe it has changed. The reviews at cramsession
show at least one poster who passed in January and commented "not that bad".

http://www.cramsession.com/certifications/exams/mcsa-2003-upgrade-for-mcsa-2000.asp

The questions I had did seem to be more concept orientated and not task
orientated which is good in my opinion. I also had very few multiple choice
where there was only one correct answer - most questions you had to pick the
right two or three answers out of a list of six possibilities and often more
than one answer could do the required task but not make the stated criteria.
An example would be when to choose between using conditional forwarding and
stub zones. While the exams are focused on Windows 2003 a lot of the test
involved scenarios where Windows 2000 was part of the equation.

You have to understand Windows 2003 to the point that you know exactly what
happens when a domain computer boots up and a user logs onto the domain in
that how is dns used, what records does it look for on what server, how does
the computer and user authenticate, and how does the client side Group
Policy work, what is sysvol used for, etc. Of course you need the same
understanding for Active Directory and domain controllers and how they work
with each other, replicate, etc. You should be familiar and have used
ipconfig, ping, netstat, netdom, netsh, nltest, gpotool, replmon, ntdsutil,
netdiag, dcdiag, secedit, gpupdate, gpresult, gpedit, etc. You don't need to
know all the switches but know at least what to use when and how to
interpret results.

Anyhow I wish you luck. I also suggest you study for both exams - 70-292 and
70-296 before you take 70-292. You are going to have to do it eventually
anyway. Then focus on the specific 70-292 content more before you take the
exam but you will be more prepared for those "not in the objectives"
questions. Don't be afraid to fail an exam. Yeah you will be out $125 but it
will be a learning experience and better prepare you for the next time.


"Mita201" <Mita201@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:687447AF-2025-49DC-BF8D-5A49A5B43E1A@microsoft.com...
> Steve,
>
> I believe you realize that exam has changed recently, and it is
> completely different story now than few months ago. I have looked on many
> forums about this exam, and found only one guy that passed it after new
> year,
> with score 700. Also, found testimony of guy who took it in english and
> failed, then took one in spanish, got old exam (53 questions), and pass it
> with 953. I believe that something is wrong with this exam, its look like
> too
> many people failing.
> I am not going to take this one for a while, I really
> believe something is wrong with this exam.
> Forums about other microsoft exams
> shows that some people are passing and some are failing - wich is normal.
> 70-292 everybody fails after new year.
>
>
>
>
> "Steven L Umbach" wrote:
>
>> I
> found 70-292 rather easily and passed it no problem the first time a few
>>
> months back. I used the Microsoft press book as my "core" study guide. I
> am
>
>> glad the exams are tougher and they really do require quite a bit of
>> hands
>
>> on which can be done on a modest home network. In general I find the
> quality
>> of Microsoft Press books to have improved quite a bit in the last
> couple of
>> years. I also sent quite a bit of time using the free Windows
> 2003 Server
>> Deployment Kit for the pertinent chapters. Doing the labs once
> is not good
>> enough in my opinion. You need to become VERY familiar with
> the technologies
>> in the labs and use them for a period of weeks [at least]
> to sink in. A
>> thorough understanding of dns is an absolute must and there
> have been some
>> changes in W2003. I also recommend reading the whole book
> and not just the
>> 70-292 chapters for the exam, particularly dns, Group
> Policy, Software
>> Installation via Group Policy, Remote Desktop, Terminal
> Services, backups,
>> etc. I noticed that many of the questions had subtle
> differences in what
>> would be the correct answer based on the criteria
> given. Sorry to here about
>> your experience but the test is definitely
> passable. I had Windows 2003
>> installed on my test lab at home and worked
> with it for a year before I
>> actually started studying for the upgrade
> exams. When you have the product
>> key memorized for the install disk you
> know you are getting close. ---
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> "C.G."
> <C.G.@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>
> news:CFAB0F3F-9509-4AE9-8B9F-B993609AFB8D@microsoft.com...
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> >
> MCSE 2000 Upgradeing to 2003
>> >
>> > I just took an 70-292 MCSE upgrade exam
> for the third time. The first
>> > time
>> > I got 650, the second time 550.
> I went through the entire Microsoft
>> > curriculum. I wasted $100 for
> Microsoft's WORTHLESS "Upgrading Your
>> > Certification to Windows Server
> 2003", going through the entire book and
>> > all
>> > the labs. When I took
> it the third time, the score was also 550. I feel
>> > like I answered almost
> all of the questions correctly. Then I get this
>> > crap
>> > about how
> "Some questions may not be counted, others are for
>> > testing/development
> purposes, blah blah, blah". How the hell do I know
>> > what
>> > is counted
> and what is not? This doesn't seem ethical here. It is
>> > incomprehensible
> to me that I have spent 4 months preparing for this exam
>> > and
>> > $375
> down the tubes and I can't even get any feedback on waht I missed, if
>> >
> I
>> > missed. How do we even know if the exam results are processed
> correctly
>> > or
>> > ethically if we can't get any feedback on anything?
> 70-292 bites.
>> > Anyone
>> > else have these problems? Can you suggest
> better study material than
>> > Microsoft's WORTHLESS crap? They can make the
> exam but they can't produce
>> > any training material that covers it. C.G.
>
>>
>>
>>



Re: 70-292 - Anybody have any suggestions? by Steven

Steven
Sun Feb 13 13:26:08 CST 2005

At least one user at Cramsession reviews said the 40 question exam was "Not
too bad".

http://www.cramsession.com/certifications/exams/mcsa-2003-upgrade-for-mcsa-2000.asp

It makes sense to prepare for both 70-292 and 70-296 before you take 70-292.
The stated objectives of the exam can lead to a lot of what a user may
interpret as a not related question. These exams are also geared for those
who are MCSE in 2000 which allows the test questions to assume a lot. It
looks like the days of reading an exam book and doing the lab exercises to
pass the test are gone.

As far as "people that state they have A LOT of experience with W2K3 and
failing". A lot of experience does not mean the user will necessarily have a
good understanding of the operating system and it's feature. I am sure many
have a lot of experience, but it may be related to creating users and
groups, installing the operating system, changing password policy, editing
Group Policy, etc. However how many of them have installed a VPN server and
configured for l2tp, planned and implemented ipsec on the domain, used
Security Configuration and Analysis and created custom security templates,
created forest trusts with selective authentication and proper name
resolution, built a forest with child domains and planned and implemented
the dns namespace, planned and implemented Public Key Infrastructure,
deployed software via Group Policy, implemented smart card logons, designed
an OU structure, deployed 802.1x wireless, planned and tested disaster
recovery, planned and deployed Terminal Services, installed and configured
SUS for the domain, done a ASR restore, deployed website cluster, etc.

Anyhow congratulations on your pass and you proved it can be done. ---
Steve


"Andrew" <noemail@noemail.com> wrote in message
news:KdpPd.75012$0u.32661@fed1read04...
>I received the 40Q exam and I had one of the questions crap out on me
>(ended up getting the admin for the exam and after several calls to the
>test company, they added less time than it took to alert about the issue).
>I pushed through but only received a 650 and did not receive a print out on
>how I did in each section.
>
> I've continued to read the same thing - people that state they have A LOT
> of experience with W2K3 and failing.
>
> Go to Google and type "Failed 70-292." You're gonna find that a lot of
> ppl have failed a new version of this exam because it's doesn't map to the
> requirements that MSFT is asking you to study and the grading seems to be
> way off. I read a post where a person had only a low of 75% on 1 of 4 of
> their sectional scores and *still failed* the exam. The link is below but
> still check out Google for other experiences. I wish I had before I took
> the exam. I would have waited.
>
> http://www.dbforums.com/t1078923.html
>
>
>
>
> "Mita201" <Mita201@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:687447AF-2025-49DC-BF8D-5A49A5B43E1A@microsoft.com...
>> Steve,
>>
>> I believe you realize that exam has changed recently, and it is
>> completely different story now than few months ago. I have looked on many
>> forums about this exam, and found only one guy that passed it after new
>> year,
>> with score 700. Also, found testimony of guy who took it in english and
>> failed, then took one in spanish, got old exam (53 questions), and pass
>> it
>> with 953. I believe that something is wrong with this exam, its look like
>> too
>> many people failing.
>> I am not going to take this one for a while, I really
>> believe something is wrong with this exam.
>> Forums about other microsoft exams
>> shows that some people are passing and some are failing - wich is normal.
>> 70-292 everybody fails after new year.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Steven L Umbach" wrote:
>>
>>> I
>> found 70-292 rather easily and passed it no problem the first time a few
>>>
>> months back. I used the Microsoft press book as my "core" study guide. I
>> am
>>
>>> glad the exams are tougher and they really do require quite a bit of
>>> hands
>>
>>> on which can be done on a modest home network. In general I find the
>> quality
>>> of Microsoft Press books to have improved quite a bit in the last
>> couple of
>>> years. I also sent quite a bit of time using the free Windows
>> 2003 Server
>>> Deployment Kit for the pertinent chapters. Doing the labs once
>> is not good
>>> enough in my opinion. You need to become VERY familiar with
>> the technologies
>>> in the labs and use them for a period of weeks [at least]
>> to sink in. A
>>> thorough understanding of dns is an absolute must and there
>> have been some
>>> changes in W2003. I also recommend reading the whole book
>> and not just the
>>> 70-292 chapters for the exam, particularly dns, Group
>> Policy, Software
>>> Installation via Group Policy, Remote Desktop, Terminal
>> Services, backups,
>>> etc. I noticed that many of the questions had subtle
>> differences in what
>>> would be the correct answer based on the criteria
>> given. Sorry to here about
>>> your experience but the test is definitely
>> passable. I had Windows 2003
>>> installed on my test lab at home and worked
>> with it for a year before I
>>> actually started studying for the upgrade
>> exams. When you have the product
>>> key memorized for the install disk you
>> know you are getting close. ---
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>> "C.G."
>> <C.G.@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>
>> news:CFAB0F3F-9509-4AE9-8B9F-B993609AFB8D@microsoft.com...
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> >
>> MCSE 2000 Upgradeing to 2003
>>> >
>>> > I just took an 70-292 MCSE upgrade exam
>> for the third time. The first
>>> > time
>>> > I got 650, the second time 550.
>> I went through the entire Microsoft
>>> > curriculum. I wasted $100 for
>> Microsoft's WORTHLESS "Upgrading Your
>>> > Certification to Windows Server
>> 2003", going through the entire book and
>>> > all
>>> > the labs. When I took
>> it the third time, the score was also 550. I feel
>>> > like I answered almost
>> all of the questions correctly. Then I get this
>>> > crap
>>> > about how
>> "Some questions may not be counted, others are for
>>> > testing/development
>> purposes, blah blah, blah". How the hell do I know
>>> > what
>>> > is counted
>> and what is not? This doesn't seem ethical here. It is
>>> > incomprehensible
>> to me that I have spent 4 months preparing for this exam
>>> > and
>>> > $375
>> down the tubes and I can't even get any feedback on waht I missed, if
>>> >
>> I
>>> > missed. How do we even know if the exam results are processed
>> correctly
>>> > or
>>> > ethically if we can't get any feedback on anything?
>> 70-292 bites.
>>> > Anyone
>>> > else have these problems? Can you suggest
>> better study material than
>>> > Microsoft's WORTHLESS crap? They can make the
>> exam but they can't produce
>>> > any training material that covers it. C.G.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>



Re: 70-292 - Anybody have any suggestions? by Mita201

Mita201
Mon Feb 14 02:31:02 CST 2005

Yes, I will have to do it once, (at least once :-)), but I would really like
to know what is some kind of average percent of passed exam for this one. As
far as I red on forums, your "cramsession" guy makes it two out of hm, maybe
fifty, or so, what is probably hardest to pass, when we are talking about
microsoft exams ever. I really believe that there is some error with exam
evaluation, and I am sure that microsoft will correct this, (but never
admit). So, when I see some normal ammount of passed exams on forums, I will
took it.
BTW, I am system engineer, I had MCSA and MCSE on 2000, and I have a lot of
"hands on it" during my everyday job. I am not afraid of taking an exam, and
usualy my company pays it for me, which make me worry-free about money. Thank
you for your best wishes, but I think I am going to wait a while.

Best regards,

Mita


"Steven L Umbach" wrote:

> I took it last October so maybe it has changed. The reviews at cramsession
> show at least one poster who passed in January and commented "not that bad".
>
> http://www.cramsession.com/certifications/exams/mcsa-2003-upgrade-for-mcsa-2000.asp
>
> The questions I had did seem to be more concept orientated and not task
> orientated which is good in my opinion. I also had very few multiple choice
> where there was only one correct answer - most questions you had to pick the
> right two or three answers out of a list of six possibilities and often more
> than one answer could do the required task but not make the stated criteria.
> An example would be when to choose between using conditional forwarding and
> stub zones. While the exams are focused on Windows 2003 a lot of the test
> involved scenarios where Windows 2000 was part of the equation.
>
> You have to understand Windows 2003 to the point that you know exactly what
> happens when a domain computer boots up and a user logs onto the domain in
> that how is dns used, what records does it look for on what server, how does
> the computer and user authenticate, and how does the client side Group
> Policy work, what is sysvol used for, etc. Of course you need the same
> understanding for Active Directory and domain controllers and how they work
> with each other, replicate, etc. You should be familiar and have used
> ipconfig, ping, netstat, netdom, netsh, nltest, gpotool, replmon, ntdsutil,
> netdiag, dcdiag, secedit, gpupdate, gpresult, gpedit, etc. You don't need to
> know all the switches but know at least what to use when and how to
> interpret results.
>
> Anyhow I wish you luck. I also suggest you study for both exams - 70-292 and
> 70-296 before you take 70-292. You are going to have to do it eventually
> anyway. Then focus on the specific 70-292 content more before you take the
> exam but you will be more prepared for those "not in the objectives"
> questions. Don't be afraid to fail an exam. Yeah you will be out $125 but it
> will be a learning experience and better prepare you for the next time.
>
>
> "Mita201" <Mita201@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:687447AF-2025-49DC-BF8D-5A49A5B43E1A@microsoft.com...
> > Steve,
> >
> > I believe you realize that exam has changed recently, and it is
> > completely different story now than few months ago. I have looked on many
> > forums about this exam, and found only one guy that passed it after new
> > year,
> > with score 700. Also, found testimony of guy who took it in english and
> > failed, then took one in spanish, got old exam (53 questions), and pass it
> > with 953. I believe that something is wrong with this exam, its look like
> > too
> > many people failing.
> > I am not going to take this one for a while, I really
> > believe something is wrong with this exam.
> > Forums about other microsoft exams
> > shows that some people are passing and some are failing - wich is normal.
> > 70-292 everybody fails after new year.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Steven L Umbach" wrote:
> >
> >> I
> > found 70-292 rather easily and passed it no problem the first time a few
> >>
> > months back. I used the Microsoft press book as my "core" study guide. I
> > am
> >
> >> glad the exams are tougher and they really do require quite a bit of
> >> hands
> >
> >> on which can be done on a modest home network. In general I find the
> > quality
> >> of Microsoft Press books to have improved quite a bit in the last
> > couple of
> >> years. I also sent quite a bit of time using the free Windows
> > 2003 Server
> >> Deployment Kit for the pertinent chapters. Doing the labs once
> > is not good
> >> enough in my opinion. You need to become VERY familiar with
> > the technologies
> >> in the labs and use them for a period of weeks [at least]
> > to sink in. A
> >> thorough understanding of dns is an absolute must and there
> > have been some
> >> changes in W2003. I also recommend reading the whole book
> > and not just the
> >> 70-292 chapters for the exam, particularly dns, Group
> > Policy, Software
> >> Installation via Group Policy, Remote Desktop, Terminal
> > Services, backups,
> >> etc. I noticed that many of the questions had subtle
> > differences in what
> >> would be the correct answer based on the criteria
> > given. Sorry to here about
> >> your experience but the test is definitely
> > passable. I had Windows 2003
> >> installed on my test lab at home and worked
> > with it for a year before I
> >> actually started studying for the upgrade
> > exams. When you have the product
> >> key memorized for the install disk you
> > know you are getting close. ---
> >> Steve
> >>
> >>
> >> "C.G."
> > <C.G.@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >>
> > news:CFAB0F3F-9509-4AE9-8B9F-B993609AFB8D@microsoft.com...
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> >
> > MCSE 2000 Upgradeing to 2003
> >> >
> >> > I just took an 70-292 MCSE upgrade exam
> > for the third time. The first
> >> > time
> >> > I got 650, the second time 550.
> > I went through the entire Microsoft
> >> > curriculum. I wasted $100 for
> > Microsoft's WORTHLESS "Upgrading Your
> >> > Certification to Windows Server
> > 2003", going through the entire book and
> >> > all
> >> > the labs. When I took
> > it the third time, the score was also 550. I feel
> >> > like I answered almost
> > all of the questions correctly. Then I get this
> >> > crap
> >> > about how
> > "Some questions may not be counted, others are for
> >> > testing/development
> > purposes, blah blah, blah". How the hell do I know
> >> > what
> >> > is counted
> > and what is not? This doesn't seem ethical here. It is
> >> > incomprehensible
> > to me that I have spent 4 months preparing for this exam
> >> > and
> >> > $375
> > down the tubes and I can't even get any feedback on waht I missed, if
> >> >
> > I
> >> > missed. How do we even know if the exam results are processed
> > correctly
> >> > or
> >> > ethically if we can't get any feedback on anything?
> > 70-292 bites.
> >> > Anyone
> >> > else have these problems? Can you suggest
> > better study material than
> >> > Microsoft's WORTHLESS crap? They can make the
> > exam but they can't produce
> >> > any training material that covers it. C.G.
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

Re: 70-292 - Anybody have any suggestions? by myimagineryfriend

myimagineryfriend
Mon Feb 21 14:50:58 CST 2005

I took this exam today despite all the hype and failed with a 600.
This is the first time I have received a breakdown, I got 100% in two
sections, about 80% in another and perhaps a little more than 60% in
the remaining two. Strange I calculated 35 right answers and 5
maybes.... ala weighted questions.

I was also a little concerned to read the blurb at the beginning of
the exam about dud q's, not to sure why MS have started to do this.
The exam has changed since mid December. To tell you the truth I am
totally disheartened with the whole experience. I passed all my MCSE
exams first time round, with a lot of study and production
environment experience.

I am currently an IT contractor working for a major international
finacial institution. My current role has taken me to asia and the
states dealing with a monster of a network. My specifc role I hear
you ask? Active Directory Design! I have implemented almost
everything on this paper in a working environment and as you probably
well know these systems never work like "the instuctions on the box"
especially when dealing with a heterogeneous network. But
nevertheless I learnt things the MS way. and the b*ggers failed me!

Dont get me wrong, my career really took off after gaining my MCSE
especially after reading a non IT related degree, but this exam is
exceptionally tricky. MS have become almost braisen about tripping
you up with the wording of the question rather than concentrating on
content. And why do I have to answer 10 DNS questions, which are not
2003 specific? I didnt have a single question on DNS debugging or AD
replication partitions, two of the MOST beneficial new features!

Nevertheless I am a great believer in MS certification. I am thinking
about taking the 70-296 exam first, any thoughts guys?


Re: 70-292 - Anybody have any suggestions? by Neil

Neil
Mon Feb 21 15:57:37 CST 2005

did you hear myimagineryfriend@hotmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid
(londonchap) say in news:421a49b2$1_2@alt.athenanews.com:

> I am thinking
> about taking the 70-296 exam first, any thoughts guys?
>

they say this is easier since MS has not yet updated the exam. Sorry,
can't say myself. I took it (292 and 296) in Sept of 03.

--
Neil MCNGP#30

- If idiots could fly, this would be an airport.

Re: 70-292 - Anybody have any suggestions? by Charles

Charles
Tue Feb 22 00:21:06 CST 2005

> I was also a little concerned to read the blurb at the beginning of
> the exam about dud q's, not to sure why MS have started to do this.
> The exam has changed since mid December. To tell you the truth I am
> totally disheartened with the whole experience. I passed all my MCSE
> exams first time round, with a lot of study and production
> environment experience.
>

I passed many examinations... because MCSE is not the only certification
that I hold.
Therefore, I can feel what the outcome of a particular examination can be. I
tried 70-296 and failed with 663. No problems with that. I think that the
result is fair. I knew that I was short on preparation.
However, the 350 of my 70-292 is completely misleading and does not fit in
any kind of logic.
I definitely feel that this examination is much more difficult, not because
of the knowledge one is tested against but because of the wording, tricks,
traps and hooks that are in there.



Re: 70-292 - Anybody have any suggestions? by Neil

Neil
Tue Feb 22 07:56:26 CST 2005

did you hear "Charles Lehmann" <lehmann.charles@destination-montagne.no-
spam-dot.ch> say in news:421acf7c$0$3414$5402220f@news.sunrise.ch:

> because of the wording

I recall some NT4 exams being accused of misleading wording for the
questions. Not new to this exam but a valid comment.

--
Neil MCNGP#30

- Macintosh....an "Etch-a Sketch" You Don't Have to Shake.

70-292 - Anybody have any suggestions? by sb

sb
Tue Feb 22 23:51:34 CST 2005

Is this newsgroup the local hiphop club or a
certification newsgroup?
>-----Original Message-----
>Hi,
>
>MCSE 2000 Upgradeing to 2003
>
>I just took an 70-292 MCSE upgrade exam for the third
time. The first time
>I got 650, the second time 550. I went through the
entire Microsoft
>curriculum. I wasted $100 for Microsoft's
WORTHLESS "Upgrading Your
>Certification to Windows Server 2003", going through the
entire book and all
>the labs. When I took it the third time, the score was
also 550. I feel
>like I answered almost all of the questions correctly.
Then I get this crap
>about how "Some questions may not be counted, others are
for
>testing/development purposes, blah blah, blah". How the
hell do I know what
>is counted and what is not? This doesn't seem ethical
here. It is
>incomprehensible to me that I have spent 4 months
preparing for this exam and
>$375 down the tubes and I can't even get any feedback on
waht I missed, if I
>missed. How do we even know if the exam results are
processed correctly or
>ethically if we can't get any feedback on anything? 70-
292 bites. Anyone
>else have these problems? Can you suggest better study
material than
>Microsoft's WORTHLESS crap? They can make the exam but
they can't produce
>any training material that covers it. C.G.
>.
>

70-292 - Anybody have any suggestions? by sb

sb
Tue Feb 22 23:54:18 CST 2005

I would go into the test trying to get every question
right. That's what I'm going to do. If I don't I might
miss the question worth 300 points. I think they put a
question in the test worth 300 points and if you miss it
your screwed. That will be $125 please.
>-----Original Message-----
>Hi,
>
>MCSE 2000 Upgradeing to 2003
>
>I just took an 70-292 MCSE upgrade exam for the third
time. The first time
>I got 650, the second time 550. I went through the
entire Microsoft
>curriculum. I wasted $100 for Microsoft's
WORTHLESS "Upgrading Your
>Certification to Windows Server 2003", going through the
entire book and all
>the labs. When I took it the third time, the score was
also 550. I feel
>like I answered almost all of the questions correctly.
Then I get this crap
>about how "Some questions may not be counted, others are
for
>testing/development purposes, blah blah, blah". How the
hell do I know what
>is counted and what is not? This doesn't seem ethical
here. It is
>incomprehensible to me that I have spent 4 months
preparing for this exam and
>$375 down the tubes and I can't even get any feedback on
waht I missed, if I
>missed. How do we even know if the exam results are
processed correctly or
>ethically if we can't get any feedback on anything? 70-
292 bites. Anyone
>else have these problems? Can you suggest better study
material than
>Microsoft's WORTHLESS crap? They can make the exam but
they can't produce
>any training material that covers it. C.G.
>.
>

Re: 70-292 - Anybody have any suggestions? by Neil

Neil
Wed Feb 23 08:57:17 CST 2005

did you hear "sb" <sb@discussions.microsoft.com> say in news:039701c5196c
$1d145000$a401280a@phx.gbl:

> I think they put a
> question in the test worth 300 points and if you miss it
> your screwed.

you sound bitter. Are you bitter?

--
Neil MCNGP#30

- I wrote a few children's books, but not on purpose.

Re: 70-292 - Anybody have any suggestions? by CG

CG
Thu Mar 24 15:51:02 CST 2005

I finished my MCSE/MCSA 2003 over a month ago. I forgot about this post.
Divide and Conquer! - I took 4 exams instead of two.

As far as being negative? I don't think I was negative, I was just pissed.
I purchased a training kit in good faith that was a TOTAL waste of money. It
was o.k. for training on some of the new features in 2003, but it was useless
in preparing me for either exam. I wasted a lot of money putting my faith in
that product. For the other four exams I pulled together some different
texts and got what I needed. My other bone to pick is with the MOCs. So
many times, it doesn't even seem they are edited. They are so full of
errors, errata and labs that have to be extensively rewritten to work at all.
Then you go to take an exam and find that there's very little they are even
asking you on the test that was covered with the "official" curriculum.

I'm not putting down Microsoft. I think they have a rock solid product with
2003 and Xp that offers things that no one else offers. In spite of the fact
that is "cool" to bash Microsoft and claim you can do it all with Linux, I
very much love Microsoft's software.

I'm putting down the "official curriculum" and how impractical the testing
and certification process has become. A lot of content in the exams is not
really testing day to day networking and administrative skills with the
product. Instead, it tests the candidate's ability to take tests, to analyze
double negative statements, to avoid attempts at throwing you, off the trail,
to memorize pat answers and so on. It just seems to me that the exams might
simulate daily tasks and proficencies more and that, at least, if Microsoft
is going to put their seal of approval on training kits and extremely
expensive MOC books ($100-$300), they should at least make sure they
thoroughly and adequately cover what we're being tested on. We are, after
all, once certified, Microsoft's ambasadors and salesmen in our respective
locations.

Charles




"The Rev (MCT)" wrote:

> I think we get the picture. You failed, no need to post that more than once.
> Understand 292 is a hard exam, considering it's a consolidated exam. Also
> don't knock the MS Press study material because you failed. The books are
> fine, I've read them. Calling MS worthless isn't going to get you anywhere,
> however there are other solutions out there. Amazon.com has user reviews,
> but like any studies you should never limit to one source.
>
> Again the MS Press books are fine, stop being so negative. As for question
> the ethics of an exam. You can challenge the exam. That would however
> require you to call Microsoft. I just wouldn't recommend the same tine with
> them.
>
> --
> "The Rev" MCNGP #44
> Microsoft Certified Trainer
>
> Memories fade but a Google search never forgets.
> justafreak.com
> ..
> "C.G." <C.G.@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:CFAB0F3F-9509-4AE9-8B9F-B993609AFB8D@microsoft.com...
> > Hi,
> >
> > MCSE 2000 Upgradeing to 2003
> >
> > I just took an 70-292 MCSE upgrade exam for the third time. The first
> time
> > I got 650, the second time 550. I went through the entire Microsoft
> > curriculum. I wasted $100 for Microsoft's WORTHLESS "Upgrading Your
> > Certification to Windows Server 2003", going through the entire book and
> all
> > the labs. When I took it the third time, the score was also 550. I feel
> > like I answered almost all of the questions correctly. Then I get this
> crap
> > about how "Some questions may not be counted, others are for
> > testing/development purposes, blah blah, blah". How the hell do I know
> what
> > is counted and what is not? This doesn't seem ethical here. It is
> > incomprehensible to me that I have spent 4 months preparing for this exam
> and
> > $375 down the tubes and I can't even get any feedback on waht I missed, if
> I
> > missed. How do we even know if the exam results are processed correctly
> or
> > ethically if we can't get any feedback on anything? 70-292 bites.
> Anyone
> > else have these problems? Can you suggest better study material than
> > Microsoft's WORTHLESS crap? They can make the exam but they can't produce
> > any training material that covers it. C.G.
>
>
>

Re: 70-292 - Anybody have any suggestions? by CG

CG
Thu Mar 24 15:53:02 CST 2005

I'd have to say so.

"Neil" wrote:

> did you hear "sb" <sb@discussions.microsoft.com> say in news:039701c5196c
> $1d145000$a401280a@phx.gbl:
>
> > I think they put a
> > question in the test worth 300 points and if you miss it
> > your screwed.
>
> you sound bitter. Are you bitter?
>
> --
> Neil MCNGP#30
>
> - I wrote a few children's books, but not on purpose.
>

Re: 70-292 - Anybody have any suggestions? by jill

jill
Sun Apr 10 05:46:30 CDT 2005

It's great to see people who passed 292 pre 2005 to make comments
suggesting that new test takers can't handle it or "you just don't
know server 2003"

The test as of 2005 has changed and not in a way that will test your
skills rather you will be presented with questions outside of the
objectives and will have to get lucky by guessing at some of the
horribly worded answer sets.

Example:

Exhibit shows 2 DNS servers. Server A is connected to the internet and
Server B is not. Clients using B need to access internet. Now here's
your answer set...

Configure server B to forward requests from server A
Configure server A to forward requests from server B

Wide receiver forwards pass from quarterback
quarterback forwards pass from wide receiver

Uh??? No amount of hours or study time will prepare you for this kind
of BS.

Here's what I've learned from MS exams:

The mistake that testers are currently making is that they are testing
too early in the cycle. Pre 2005 test takers took the test when all
of it's questions had been leaked. No one admits this but everyon
knows you need a "study guide" (cheat package) to pass.

If you have tested recently or are planning to, sign up for MS second
shot and don't take the test til June. By then the questions will be
leaked, and you can memorize the answer sets.

Until MS uses simulators or something for your to demonstrate your
skills, your paper certification will be just as good as the kid who
uses a braindump and doesn't know a computer from a toaster.


Re: 70-292 - Anybody have any suggestions? by CBIC

CBIC
Mon Apr 11 10:17:26 CDT 2005


> The mistake that testers are currently making is that they are testing
> too early in the cycle. Pre 2005 test takers took the test when all
> of it's questions had been leaked. No one admits this but everyon
> knows you need a "study guide" (cheat package) to pass.
>
> If you have tested recently or are planning to, sign up for MS second
> shot and don't take the test til June. By then the questions will be
> leaked, and you can memorize the answer sets.
>
> Until MS uses simulators or something for your to demonstrate your
> skills, your paper certification will be just as good as the kid who
> uses a braindump and doesn't know a computer from a toaster.

You are the stupidest Mother Fukcer who has ever posted here and believe me
that's an accomplishment. If you have to cheat to pass you shouldn't pass.
I've never cheated on an exam so don't EVER say you have to cheat to pass.
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Re: 70-292 - Anybody have any suggestions? by kpg

kpg
Mon Apr 11 10:59:35 CDT 2005

> Until MS uses simulators or something for your to demonstrate your
> skills, your paper certification will be just as good as the kid who
> uses a braindump and doesn't know a computer from a toaster.

Well, almost right. A 'paper certification' is a person that 'doesn't know
a computer from a toaster.' So of course they are both just as 'good'.

You seem to be the worst kind of AF. It's not that you cheat because
you don't know any better, you actually rationalize it, and willingly choose
that path because you know you can't succeed any other way. Just
because you don't know the answer doesn't mean the test is flawed,
on the contrary, that is what the test is trying to accomplish.

kp 'Amey-zing' g


Re: 70-292 - Anybody have any suggestions? by billLASTINIT

billLASTINIT
Mon Apr 11 11:22:31 CDT 2005

kpg wrote:
> kp 'Amey-zing' g

IotD

(Internym of the Day)

Re: 70-292 - Anybody have any suggestions? by kpg

kpg
Mon Apr 11 11:28:24 CDT 2005

>> kp 'Amey-zing' g
>
> IotD
>
> (Internym of the Day)

Well, thank you - I studied under the best.


Re: 70-292 - Anybody have any suggestions? by Neil

Neil
Mon Apr 11 11:43:09 CDT 2005

did you hear "kpg" <ipost@thereforeiam.com> say in news:unoMzNrPFHA.708
@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl:

> I studied under the best.

you studied?

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Re: 70-292 - Anybody have any suggestions? by kpg

kpg
Mon Apr 11 12:16:31 CDT 2005

>> I studied under the best.
>
> you studied?
>


Well I had to.

I couldn't find any dumps for internyms.

...but all that hard work paid off in the end.


Re: 70-292 - Anybody have any suggestions? by Briscobar

Briscobar
Mon Apr 11 12:24:10 CDT 2005

In news:unoMzNrPFHA.708@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl,
kpg <ipost@thereforeiam.com> rambled:
>>> kp 'Amey-zing' g
>>
>> IotD
>>
>> (Internym of the Day)
>
> Well, thank you - I studied under the best.

Frisbee, check your @ss. You might find kpg's nose stuck in there.


*runs*

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Re: 70-292 - Anybody have any suggestions? by JaR

JaR
Mon Apr 11 12:30:36 CDT 2005

In microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse, kpg climbed on a soapbox & opined:

> I couldn't find any dumps for internyms.
>
> ...but all that hard work paid off in the end.
>
>

Huh huh, huh huh! He said; "paid off in the end." Huh huh!

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Re: 70-292 - Anybody have any suggestions? by kpg

kpg
Mon Apr 11 12:30:39 CDT 2005


> Frisbee, check your @ss. You might find kpg's nose stuck in there.
>
>
> *runs*
>

Hey, anybody seen Briscobar?

I got something for him...

kp "but don't tell 'em I'm looking for him" g


RE: 70-292 - Anybody have any suggestions? by alanwheatley

alanwheatley
Fri May 06 17:16:02 CDT 2005

I totally agree. I've failed this 3 times now and never failed a Windows 2000
exam so this is much harder. Not sure what I'm getting wrong either as I'm
pretty sure I'm getting 80% of the questions right according to my score
report yet the overall result is fail.


"C.G." wrote:

> Hi,
>
> MCSE 2000 Upgradeing to 2003
>
> I just took an 70-292 MCSE upgrade exam for the third time. The first time
> I got 650, the second time 550. I went through the entire Microsoft
> curriculum. I wasted $100 for Microsoft's WORTHLESS "Upgrading Your
> Certification to Windows Server 2003", going through the entire book and all
> the labs. When I took it the third time, the score was also 550. I feel
> like I answered almost all of the questions correctly. Then I get this crap
> about how "Some questions may not be counted, others are for
> testing/development purposes, blah blah, blah". How the hell do I know what
> is counted and what is not? This doesn't seem ethical here. It is
> incomprehensible to me that I have spent 4 months preparing for this exam and
> $375 down the tubes and I can't even get any feedback on waht I missed, if I
> missed. How do we even know if the exam results are processed correctly or
> ethically if we can't get any feedback on anything? 70-292 bites. Anyone
> else have these problems? Can you suggest better study material than
> Microsoft's WORTHLESS crap? They can make the exam but they can't produce
> any training material that covers it. C.G.