As we all know, one of the drawbacks about being computer-savvy is that you
end up being tech support for the entire family. Case in point: my wife's
uncle.

A few months ago, he bought a laptop to get online, play some chess, etc. So
far, so good. He, unfortunately, is one of those people who thinks he knows
everything about everything, and computers are no exception. Here are some
of Uncle Karl's Greatest Hits:

1. He wanted to download Volksmusik (think lederhosen and accordions). He
claimed Microsoft had a filesharing program. He was referring to Windows
Media Player.

2. He calls IE "Google" because that's his start page. We asked him to start
his browser and to start IE, and he had no idea what we were talking about.

3. His laptop came with an alleged anti-virus program preinstalled. It was
called "Norman". Not "Norton", "Norman". Needless to say, the virus defs
were never updated. My wife, my stepdaughter and I started getting tons of
virus (Netsky) e-mails, all originating from his ISP. The common thread:
we're all in his OE address book. In addition, he said his computer was
running painfully slow. Putting 2+2 together, I explained he most likely had
a virus. He said -- repeatedly -- "no...that's impossible...I ran a virus
scan and it said there were no viruses" (see my statement about virus defs
in the previous sentence).

He was coming down to Dortmund to visit people (he lives about 2 hours from
here), so I told him to bring it down and let me look at it. (One advantage
of this strategy is that it gets me out of actually having to deal with
him.) He brought the laptop...without the power adapter...with ~58% of
battery life. I installed AVG on the laptop, and within a second of starting
it up, it started finding infected files...more viruses than a Mexican
brothel. After all was said and done, there were over 2800 files infected.
Since I was under time constraints due to the battery situation, I didn't
use the newest defs at that point, but the ones I had weren't THAT old. At
this point the battery died, so I gave it back to him to bring home. I
figured I'd take care of the rest of the work (rescanning with new defs,
installing/running spyware detectors) via Remote Support. We finally got
connected...after 11 attempts at getting him to follow the correct sequence
of instructions. Afterwards, all was well.

4. Last night, he had a problem logging into his ISP's website to check out
his account information (https). He kept getting an error page. Here was
his thought as to why: "I haven't logged into the site for a while. I know
computers have all these fine electronics in them. Maybe they needed to get
used to the website again."

Thank $Deity my wife's German is much better than mine (after all, she IS
German). She gets the pleasure of handling most of Uncle Karl's calls
(especially since I have a bitch of a time trying to understand his
dialect). After last night's episode, my wife suddenly developed the
1000-yard stare that any of us that have ever done hell desk know all so
well. I thought it was hilarious and started laughing, because I've been
there and done that, and because it's HER side of the family and not mine.
We were eating dinner, and I was a bit frightened by the way she was holding
her knife. I gently backed away from the table.

He's taking a Computers for Seniors class at the local Volkshochschule
(think community college/adult learning center). I wonder if any teachers
have committed seppuku.

</caffeine-fueled rant>

Re: ARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHH!!!!!!! by kpg

kpg
Mon Jun 21 09:50:59 CDT 2004

You just described my customer base.

At least I get paid...sometimes.

RUN AWAY! RUN AWAY!

kpg



Re: ARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHH!!!!!!! by Mike

Mike
Mon Jun 21 10:08:10 CDT 2004

"kpg" <ipost@thereforeiam.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:eOtlI95VEHA.4092@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> You just described my customer base.
>
> At least I get paid...sometimes.
>
> RUN AWAY! RUN AWAY!
>
> kpg
>
>

The ones that have know clue and KNOW they have no clue are easy to deal
with..they'll do whatever you tell them. It's the ones that have no clue and
THINK they know what they're doing that make us homicidal. I was doing
end-user software support a few years back and had to deal occasionally with
people who thought they could just go into a Paradox DB table and manually
take out stuff they didn't want, instead of doing it in the software as
designed. They had no clue of master/detail relationships. Of course, we
then made nice coin for the custom work needed to fix what the lusers blew
up...not to mention the fact that it kept me busy and away from the phones
while I did it *EG*



Re: ARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHH!!!!!!! by Peter

Peter
Mon Jun 21 10:17:00 CDT 2004

You have just described my whole family, which is one of
the reasons I live far far away.

Honestly whenever I visit my folks I tell them in advance
not to tell anyone I am going to visit. Hasn't stopped my
mother 'loaning' me out to her very elderly friends.


>-----Original Message-----
>"kpg" <ipost@thereforeiam.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>news:eOtlI95VEHA.4092@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>> You just described my customer base.
>>
>> At least I get paid...sometimes.
>>
>> RUN AWAY! RUN AWAY!
>>
>> kpg
>>
>>
>
>The ones that have know clue and KNOW they have no clue
are easy to deal
>with..they'll do whatever you tell them. It's the ones
that have no clue and
>THINK they know what they're doing that make us
homicidal. I was doing
>end-user software support a few years back and had to
deal occasionally with
>people who thought they could just go into a Paradox DB
table and manually
>take out stuff they didn't want, instead of doing it in
the software as
>designed. They had no clue of master/detail
relationships. Of course, we
>then made nice coin for the custom work needed to fix
what the lusers blew
>up...not to mention the fact that it kept me busy and
away from the phones
>while I did it *EG*
>
>
>.
>

Re: ARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHH!!!!!!! by Neil

Neil
Mon Jun 21 10:28:22 CDT 2004

"Peter" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in news:1f4b101c457a2
$cd04d160$a501280a@phx.gbl:

> Hasn't stopped my
> mother 'loaning' me out to her very elderly friends.
>

for what? (eeewwwwwwwwww!!!!!)

--
Neil MCNGP #30
"you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"

Re: ARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHH!!!!!!! by JaR

JaR
Mon Jun 21 11:46:25 CDT 2004

On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:08:10 +0200, Mike T. extemporised:

> The ones that have know clue and KNOW they have no clue are easy to deal
> with..they'll do whatever you tell them. It's the ones that have no clue
> and THINK they know what they're doing that make us homicidal. I was
> doing end-user software support a few years back and had to deal
> occasionally with people who thought they could just go into a Paradox DB
> table and manually take out stuff they didn't want, instead of doing it in
> the software as designed. They had no clue of master/detail
> relationships. Of course, we then made nice coin for the custom work
> needed to fix what the lusers blew up...not to mention the fact that it
> kept me busy and away from the phones while I did it *EG*

I just love the lusers that will ask; "my computer is doing such&such,
what do you think is wrong?" You tell them, and then they proceed to
enumerate the reasons why "that can't be it, because..."

Whatever. After you screw it up a little more, gimme a call, here's my
card, $45.00 per hour, 1.5 hour minimum for service call...

JaR
Mercenary Thug

Re: ARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHH!!!!!!! by TechGeekPro

TechGeekPro
Mon Jun 21 12:24:12 CDT 2004

"JaR" <Nunyobidness@softhome.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.06.21.16.46.25.640337@softhome.net...
> On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:08:10 +0200, Mike T. extemporised:
>
> > The ones that have know clue and KNOW they have no clue are easy to deal
> > with..they'll do whatever you tell them. It's the ones that have no clue
> > and THINK they know what they're doing that make us homicidal. I was
> > doing end-user software support a few years back and had to deal
> > occasionally with people who thought they could just go into a Paradox
DB
> > table and manually take out stuff they didn't want, instead of doing it
in
> > the software as designed. They had no clue of master/detail
> > relationships. Of course, we then made nice coin for the custom work
> > needed to fix what the lusers blew up...not to mention the fact that it
> > kept me busy and away from the phones while I did it *EG*
>
> I just love the lusers that will ask; "my computer is doing such&such,
> what do you think is wrong?" You tell them, and then they proceed to
> enumerate the reasons why "that can't be it, because..."
>
> Whatever. After you screw it up a little more, gimme a call, here's my
> card, $45.00 per hour, 1.5 hour minimum for service call...

You got that right... damn straight.

> JaR
> Mercenary Thug



Re: ARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHH!!!!!!! by Kat

Kat
Mon Jun 21 12:27:49 CDT 2004


> I just love the lusers that will ask; "my computer is doing such&such,
> what do you think is wrong?" You tell them, and then they proceed to
> enumerate the reasons why "that can't be it, because..."
>
> Whatever. After you screw it up a little more, gimme a call, here's my
> card, $45.00 per hour, 1.5 hour minimum for service call...
>
> JaR
> Mercenary Thug

Dealing with lusers like that, you don't charge enough.

Kat



Re: ARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHH!!!!!!! by Neil

Neil
Mon Jun 21 13:23:19 CDT 2004

JaR <Nunyobidness@softhome.net> wrote in
news:pan.2004.06.21.16.46.25.640337@softhome.net:

> Whatever. After you screw it up a little more, gimme a call, here's my
> card, $45.00 per hour, 1.5 hour minimum for service call...

under charging by a ton there bubba. Idiot fees here are at least $90CDN
tire dollars per hour....

--
Neil MCNGP #30
"you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"

Re: ARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHH!!!!!!! by JaR

JaR
Mon Jun 21 14:03:33 CDT 2004

On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 11:23:19 -0700, Neil extemporised:

> JaR <Nunyobidness@softhome.net> wrote in
> news:pan.2004.06.21.16.46.25.640337@softhome.net:
>
>> Whatever. After you screw it up a little more, gimme a call, here's my
>> card, $45.00 per hour, 1.5 hour minimum for service call...
>
> under charging by a ton there bubba. Idiot fees here are at least $90CDN
> tire dollars per hour....

Fsck! There's so many outta work techs around here, some are charging even
less.

Fortunately, I still have the day job.

JaR
Underpaid Thug

Re: ARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHH!!!!!!! by kpg

kpg
Mon Jun 21 14:07:21 CDT 2004

> Whatever. After you screw it up a little more, gimme a call, here's my
> card, $45.00 per hour, 1.5 hour minimum for service call...

I have a plan: I'll sub-contract you. You'll make $45/hr, I'll make
$45/hr, the customers get professional service, and I get the day off!

Do you travel?

kp "always thinking" g







Re: ARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHH!!!!!!! by JaR

JaR
Mon Jun 21 14:21:12 CDT 2004

On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 14:07:21 -0500, kpg extemporised:

>> Whatever. After you screw it up a little more, gimme a call, here's my
>> card, $45.00 per hour, 1.5 hour minimum for service call...
>
> I have a plan: I'll sub-contract you. You'll make $45/hr, I'll make
> $45/hr, the customers get professional service, and I get the day off!
>
> Do you travel?

Did I mention the $30.00 per mile surcharge?


Re: ARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHH!!!!!!! by Ken

Ken
Mon Jun 21 14:33:07 CDT 2004

"JaR" <Nunyobidness@softhome.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.06.21.19.21.12.164455@softhome.net...
> > Do you travel?
>
> Did I mention the $30.00 per mile surcharge?

No, but I'm sure kpg is willing to accept your payment of $30/mile. You're
generous.

--

KB - MCNGP "silent thug" #26

first initial last name AT hotmail DOT com

>



Re: ARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHH!!!!!!! by kpg

kpg
Mon Jun 21 15:00:17 CDT 2004


"Ken Briscoe" <youcant@sendmespam.com> wrote in message
news:uPYcMa8VEHA.3428@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> # Name resolution details: file://c:\temp\131450.htm (6/21/2004 2:58:23
PM) #
> "JaR" <Nunyobidness@softhome.net> wrote in message
> news:pan.2004.06.21.19.21.12.164455@softhome.net...
> > > Do you travel?
> >
> > Did I mention the $30.00 per mile surcharge?
>
> No, but I'm sure kpg is willing to accept your payment of $30/mile. You're
> generous.
>
> --
>
> KB - MCNGP "silent thug" #26
>
> first initial last name AT hotmail DOT com
>
> >
>

I was willing to accept $15!

Oh, lucky day!

kp "who needs the lotto" g







Re: ARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHH!!!!!!! by Neil

Neil
Mon Jun 21 15:06:23 CDT 2004

"kpg" <ipost@thereforeiam.com> wrote in news:#Spf8p8VEHA.1380
@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl:

>
> I was willing to accept $15!
>

fine give me the other $15 (that's like $50 CDN!!!!!)

--
Neil MCNGP #30
"you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"

Re: ARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHH!!!!!!! by kpg

kpg
Mon Jun 21 15:22:48 CDT 2004


"Neil" <neilmcse@nospamforyou.com> wrote in message
news:Xns950FA3B054ABBneilmcsehotmailcom@207.46.248.16...
> # Name resolution details: file://c:\temp\131457.htm (6/21/2004 3:20:29
PM) #
> "kpg" <ipost@thereforeiam.com> wrote in news:#Spf8p8VEHA.1380
> @TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl:
>
> >
> > I was willing to accept $15!
> >
>
> fine give me the other $15 (that's like $50 CDN!!!!!)
>
> --
> Neil MCNGP #30
> "you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"

That's only $20.46CAN at the nominal exchange rate 6/21/04



Re: ARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHH!!!!!!! by JaR

JaR
Mon Jun 21 15:54:26 CDT 2004

On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 15:00:17 -0500, kpg extemporised:

>>
> I was willing to accept $15!
>
> Oh, lucky day!
>
> kp "who needs the lotto" g

Please to begin holding breath now. Exhale immediately after sun goes nova.

JaR
Cheap Thug

Re: ARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHH!!!!!!! by Neil

Neil
Mon Jun 21 20:17:07 CDT 2004

"kpg" <ipost@thereforeiam.com> wrote in news:ezuVh28VEHA.3696
@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl:

>
> That's only $20.46CAN at the nominal exchange rate 6/21/04
>

picky,picky....look if you would hurry up and get your economy back on
the rails our dollar would go back in the tank and my calculation would
be correct again....
:)

--
Neil MCNGP #30
"you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"

Re: ARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHH!!!!!!! by Bilal

Bilal
Mon Jun 21 22:44:21 CDT 2004

Hehe that's funny, i have to work for my inlaws as well, i
installed a cdrom for my wife's aunty, and her computer
which is a 486 or something still runs windows 95 and it
recently stopped booting and she wanted me to fix it,
lucky she's 300km away, also my brother in law recently
got cable and didn't have a firewall so he was getting a
million pop up add and god knows what, i had to install a
firewall for him, but i get a lot of praise so i am
happy :). it's people like these who give us jobs, imagine
if the world is full of computer literate people the no
one will need us anymore :).
Bilal
>-----Original Message-----
>"JaR" <Nunyobidness@softhome.net> wrote in message
>news:pan.2004.06.21.16.46.25.640337@softhome.net...
>> On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:08:10 +0200, Mike T.
extemporised:
>>
>> > The ones that have know clue and KNOW they have no
clue are easy to deal
>> > with..they'll do whatever you tell them. It's the
ones that have no clue
>> > and THINK they know what they're doing that make us
homicidal. I was
>> > doing end-user software support a few years back and
had to deal
>> > occasionally with people who thought they could just
go into a Paradox
>DB
>> > table and manually take out stuff they didn't want,
instead of doing it
>in
>> > the software as designed. They had no clue of
master/detail
>> > relationships. Of course, we then made nice coin for
the custom work
>> > needed to fix what the lusers blew up...not to
mention the fact that it
>> > kept me busy and away from the phones while I did it
*EG*
>>
>> I just love the lusers that will ask; "my computer is
doing such&such,
>> what do you think is wrong?" You tell them, and then
they proceed to
>> enumerate the reasons why "that can't be it, because..."
>>
>> Whatever. After you screw it up a little more, gimme a
call, here's my
>> card, $45.00 per hour, 1.5 hour minimum for service
call...
>
>You got that right... damn straight.
>
>> JaR
>> Mercenary Thug
>
>
>.
>

Re: ARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHH!!!!!!! by Jtyc

Jtyc
Tue Jun 22 09:13:16 CDT 2004

> picky,picky....look if you would hurry up and get your economy back on
> the rails our dollar would go back in the tank and my calculation would
> be correct again....

It is impossible for our economy to get back on track until after the
election.



Re: ARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHH!!!!!!! by Neil

Neil
Tue Jun 22 11:09:46 CDT 2004

"Jtyc" <jtyc_mcngp@spamblockerbitch!@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:u8NQRMGWEHA.3420@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl:

> It is impossible for our economy to get back on track until after the
> election.
>

well get it over with!
:)

--
Neil MCNGP #30
"you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"

Re: ARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHH!!!!!!! by Jtyc

Jtyc
Tue Jun 22 11:15:17 CDT 2004

> well get it over with!

I was being facetious. The economy is back on track already but no one will
acknowledge it until after the election as that would help the current
president and let's face it, no one wants that.




Re: ARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHH!!!!!!! by Neil

Neil
Tue Jun 22 11:57:45 CDT 2004

"Jtyc" <jtyc_mcngp@spamblockerbitch!@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:OOI6cQHWEHA.2840@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl:

> that would help the current
> president and let's face it, no one wants that.
>
>

not even teh current administration?
;)

--
Neil MCNGP #30
"you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"

Re: ARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHH!!!!!!! by Jtyc

Jtyc
Tue Jun 22 12:05:49 CDT 2004

> not even teh current administration?

It's hard to tell sometimes.



Re: ARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHH!!!!!!! by Ken

Ken
Tue Jun 22 12:20:08 CDT 2004

"Neil" <neilmcse@nospamforyou.com> wrote in message
news:Xns951083DC834A4neilmcsehotmailcom@207.46.248.16...
> "Jtyc" <jtyc_mcngp@spamblockerbitch!@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:OOI6cQHWEHA.2840@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl:
>
> > that would help the current
> > president and let's face it, no one wants that.
> >
> >
>
> not even teh current administration?

They don't *act* like they want to remain in office...

--

KB - MCNGP "silent thug" #26

first initial last name AT hotmail DOT com