Sometime ago a friend of mine told me that
www.microsoft.com was running on Linux and I also saw some
articles on the net saying that, but I couldn't believe it
until today when I saw it with my own eyes.

I was told to go to www.netcraft.com and plug in
microsoft.com on the search and oh boy they were right!
Every server that I clicked in the results were showing
that microsoft.com is running on Linux, so I did my
research and the explanation that I saw was that the MS-DNS
servers were terribly bugged down with the latest security
flaws that they had to relay on Linux.

What's going on here? Wasn't Microsoft supposed to be the
best? I feel very disappointed to learn this.

Does anyone know more details?

So long.

Re: Why is microsoft.com running on Linux? by Jerry

Jerry
Mon Oct 20 20:32:44 CDT 2003

And I feel sorry for you. Microsoft is not running on Linux and if you
understood how the delivery system used by Akamai works you would not look
like an idiot. Unless of course you would require all Microsoft partners to
only use Microsoft products and nothing else.

Jerry

"dissapointed-guy" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:048701c3976c$7ae31370$a501280a@phx.gbl...
> Sometime ago a friend of mine told me that
> www.microsoft.com was running on Linux and I also saw some
> articles on the net saying that, but I couldn't believe it
> until today when I saw it with my own eyes.
>
> I was told to go to www.netcraft.com and plug in
> microsoft.com on the search and oh boy they were right!
> Every server that I clicked in the results were showing
> that microsoft.com is running on Linux, so I did my
> research and the explanation that I saw was that the MS-DNS
> servers were terribly bugged down with the latest security
> flaws that they had to relay on Linux.
>
> What's going on here? Wasn't Microsoft supposed to be the
> best? I feel very disappointed to learn this.
>
> Does anyone know more details?
>
> So long.



Re: Why is microsoft.com running on Linux? by dissapointed-guy

dissapointed-guy
Mon Oct 20 21:00:31 CDT 2003

Jerry,

With all due respect, your answer doesn't make sense at
all. I've been reading more about it and it seems that the
Win2003 DNS servers that MS had running were too vulnerable
and during the attacks MS had to shut them off.

Why would MS use a product other tham MS? It's like having
the CEO of Ford Motors driving a Toyota, the CEO of
McDonalds doing a commercial for Burger King, or Sun
promoting Windows. You're being irrational here.

MS has always been proud of its products and has stood
behind them because of their reliability. Why would MS use
a partner that uses Linux after all the bashing against
Linux? Why, why, why? I'm starting to doubt about MS myself.

Regards!


>-----Original Message-----
>And I feel sorry for you. Microsoft is not running on
Linux and if you
>understood how the delivery system used by Akamai works
you would not look
>like an idiot. Unless of course you would require all
Microsoft partners to
>only use Microsoft products and nothing else.
>
>Jerry
>


Re: Why is microsoft.com running on Linux? by Jerry

Jerry
Tue Oct 21 00:20:41 CDT 2003

I don't understand, now you're complaining that Microsoft uses the services
of a company that happens to use Linux? What's such a big deal? Using your
car company example - should Ford only do business with companies whose
employees only drive Ford cars and nothing else? You're being ridiculous.

Jerry

"dissapointed-guy" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:079c01c39777$1b80bcb0$a101280a@phx.gbl...
> Jerry,
>
> With all due respect, your answer doesn't make sense at
> all. I've been reading more about it and it seems that the
> Win2003 DNS servers that MS had running were too vulnerable
> and during the attacks MS had to shut them off.
>
> Why would MS use a product other tham MS? It's like having
> the CEO of Ford Motors driving a Toyota, the CEO of
> McDonalds doing a commercial for Burger King, or Sun
> promoting Windows. You're being irrational here.
>
> MS has always been proud of its products and has stood
> behind them because of their reliability. Why would MS use
> a partner that uses Linux after all the bashing against
> Linux? Why, why, why? I'm starting to doubt about MS myself.
>
> Regards!
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >And I feel sorry for you. Microsoft is not running on
> Linux and if you
> >understood how the delivery system used by Akamai works
> you would not look
> >like an idiot. Unless of course you would require all
> Microsoft partners to
> >only use Microsoft products and nothing else.
> >
> >Jerry
> >
>



Re: Why is microsoft.com running on Linux? by Kristofer

Kristofer
Tue Oct 21 01:44:07 CDT 2003

Hello,

Go to netcraft and search for www.microsoft.com.
Click on the link "Microsoft running Linux?!" on that page (located quite
high up)
Read.

If you cannot find the link, here it is:
http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2003/08/17/wwwmicrosoftcom_runs_linux_up_to_a_point_.html

It tells you quite clearly why it is reported that www.microsoft.com runs
Linux.

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"dissapointed-guy" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:048701c3976c$7ae31370$a501280a@phx.gbl...
> Sometime ago a friend of mine told me that
> www.microsoft.com was running on Linux and I also saw some
> articles on the net saying that, but I couldn't believe it
> until today when I saw it with my own eyes.
>
> I was told to go to www.netcraft.com and plug in
> microsoft.com on the search and oh boy they were right!
> Every server that I clicked in the results were showing
> that microsoft.com is running on Linux, so I did my
> research and the explanation that I saw was that the MS-DNS
> servers were terribly bugged down with the latest security
> flaws that they had to relay on Linux.
>
> What's going on here? Wasn't Microsoft supposed to be the
> best? I feel very disappointed to learn this.
>
> Does anyone know more details?
>
> So long.



Re: Why is microsoft.com running on Linux? by jcochran

jcochran
Tue Oct 21 15:25:27 CDT 2003

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:44:27 -0700, "dissapointed-guy"
<anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>Sometime ago a friend of mine told me that
>www.microsoft.com was running on Linux and I also saw some
>articles on the net saying that, but I couldn't believe it
>until today when I saw it with my own eyes.

Friends are barely believable, net articles even less so. Although
your eyes may be less deceiving, you did miss the Netcraft note as to
*why* you don't see accurate information from Netcraft.

>I was told to go to www.netcraft.com and plug in
>microsoft.com on the search and oh boy they were right!
>Every server that I clicked in the results were showing
>that microsoft.com is running on Linux, so I did my
>research and the explanation that I saw was that the MS-DNS
>servers were terribly bugged down with the latest security
>flaws that they had to relay on Linux.

Now I really suspect troll or flame bait, since if you had done almost
*any* research you'd have found the real answer. Especially since you
mention flawed DNS servers are why the web servers run Linux, which is
an argument about the same as "Aviation fuel is expensive so I bought
a diesel car...".

>What's going on here? Wasn't Microsoft supposed to be the
>best? I feel very disappointed to learn this.

Why would this disappoint you? I mean it's not like Britney got
dumped by Justin, or Ben trashed J-Lo, I mean *those* were
disappointing...

>Does anyone know more details?

Apparently almost everyone.

You did make one comment, about how Microsoft is supposed to be the
best. The real-world truth is that Microsoft *is* the best. So is
Linux. Oh, and Solaris, OS/2, OS/400, HPUX and so on. *Best* is only
relative to a specific situation, and what's best for me may not be
best for you. Nor should it be. Otherwise I'd be stuck running some
crappy system that you figured was kEwL.

Jeff

Re: Why is microsoft.com running on Linux? by Ray

Ray
Tue Oct 21 15:28:23 CDT 2003


"Jeff Cochran" <jcochran.nospam@naplesgov.com> wrote in message
news:3f999400.547037047@msnews.microsoft.com...
Otherwise I'd be stuck running some
> crappy system that you figured was kEwL.

I was chuckling to myself until I got to that line. Then I "lol"'ed.
Thanks Jeff.

Ray at work



Reply to Jeff by disappointed-gut

disappointed-gut
Tue Oct 21 19:45:30 CDT 2003

OK wise guy, you're right in one thing and wrong about
everything else; but before we get there, I'm sorry to
disappoint you but I don't follow your idols (Britney, Jlo,
etc), I got more important and fulfilling things to do in life.

I did a terrible job expressing what I wanted to say. I
didn't mean that MS suddenly went from Windows/IIS to
Linux/Apache, but rather to say that the W2003 DNS servers
in the front line were so bugged down during the last DDoS
attacks that they had to take the W2003 DNS servers off
line and get someone else with another OS so that the whole
scheme of MS web services wouldn't go to hell. Even worse,
they continue using Akamai system (runnign on Linux) as a
front line this very minute (while the webservers run
Windows obviously.)

Do I expect that a toiler paper provider for MS uses only
Windows products at their corporate offices? No. Do I
expect that MS uses its own products in their own website?
Hell yes! It would be ridiculous that Novell or Sun uses a
MS DNS server or a partner that uses MS products, wouldn't it?

Then what is it? A sense of false security? If I have a
good product, well hell I'll make sure to use every bit of
it. This is what puzzles and disappoints me and not your
idol Britney or whoever else.

Well, someone can say that Akamai is only a
provider/partner. Sure this is the case but if MS products
are so bullet proof, why not look for another
provider/partner that offers the same solution with a MS
product. This is my whole point and I don't care whether
you agree or not wise guy, because I've done a lot of
independent research and I'm right about it!

You're right about any OS being as good as the any other.
You're wrong about everything else. However, I didn't
express myself correctly in the beginning.

Now, so long and stop dreaming about ....ah, who cares.



>-----Original Message-----
>On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:44:27 -0700, "dissapointed-guy"
><anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>>Sometime ago a friend of mine told me that
>>www.microsoft.com was running on Linux and I also saw some
>>articles on the net saying that, but I couldn't believe it
>>until today when I saw it with my own eyes.
>
>Friends are barely believable, net articles even less so.
Although
>your eyes may be less deceiving, you did miss the Netcraft
note as to
>*why* you don't see accurate information from Netcraft.
>
>>I was told to go to www.netcraft.com and plug in
>>microsoft.com on the search and oh boy they were right!
>>Every server that I clicked in the results were showing
>>that microsoft.com is running on Linux, so I did my
>>research and the explanation that I saw was that the MS-DNS
>>servers were terribly bugged down with the latest security
>>flaws that they had to relay on Linux.
>
>Now I really suspect troll or flame bait, since if you had
done almost
>*any* research you'd have found the real answer.
Especially since you
>mention flawed DNS servers are why the web servers run
Linux, which is
>an argument about the same as "Aviation fuel is expensive
so I bought
>a diesel car...".
>
>>What's going on here? Wasn't Microsoft supposed to be the
>>best? I feel very disappointed to learn this.
>
>Why would this disappoint you? I mean it's not like
Britney got
>dumped by Justin, or Ben trashed J-Lo, I mean *those* were
>disappointing...
>
>>Does anyone know more details?
>
>Apparently almost everyone.
>
>You did make one comment, about how Microsoft is supposed
to be the
>best. The real-world truth is that Microsoft *is* the
best. So is
>Linux. Oh, and Solaris, OS/2, OS/400, HPUX and so on.
*Best* is only
>relative to a specific situation, and what's best for me
may not be
>best for you. Nor should it be. Otherwise I'd be stuck
running some
>crappy system that you figured was kEwL.
>
>Jeff
>.
>

Re: Reply to Jeff by jcochran

jcochran
Wed Oct 22 07:28:23 CDT 2003

On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:45:30 -0700, "disappointed-gut"
<anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>OK wise guy, you're right in one thing and wrong about
>everything else; but before we get there, I'm sorry to
>disappoint you but I don't follow your idols (Britney, Jlo,
>etc), I got more important and fulfilling things to do in life.

Personally, I rank worrying about the possibility Microsoft is using
Linux about as much as I worry about Britney's sexcapades. Although
the Angie Dickenson cover pose brings back some memories...

>I did a terrible job expressing what I wanted to say. I
>didn't mean that MS suddenly went from Windows/IIS to
>Linux/Apache, but rather to say that the W2003 DNS servers
>in the front line were so bugged down during the last DDoS
>attacks that they had to take the W2003 DNS servers off
>line and get someone else with another OS so that the whole
>scheme of MS web services wouldn't go to hell. Even worse,
>they continue using Akamai system (runnign on Linux) as a
>front line this very minute (while the webservers run
>Windows obviously.)

Apples and peaches again. Akamai is a lcaching front end. It happens
to use Linux. It's a very good caching system too, used by many
service providers.

Pay attention to your Netcraft cite:

http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2003/08/17/wwwmicrosoftcom_runs_linux_up_to_a_point_.html

>Do I expect that a toiler paper provider for MS uses only
>Windows products at their corporate offices? No. Do I
>expect that MS uses its own products in their own website?
>Hell yes! It would be ridiculous that Novell or Sun uses a
>MS DNS server or a partner that uses MS products, wouldn't it?

Okay, now we've tossed in bananas with the apples and peaches.
Microsoft's web site runs on Windows Server 2003 across the board. So
does the MSN collection of servers. In fact, they were the first
alpha site for Server 2003's IIS. Web servers are not DNS servers,
and are not a load balancing front end.

>Well, someone can say that Akamai is only a
>provider/partner. Sure this is the case but if MS products
>are so bullet proof, why not look for another
>provider/partner that offers the same solution with a MS
>product.

Perhaps because Microsoft is a lot smarter than that. They chose the
provider and service appropriate to the task at hand. The choice of
OS is Akamai's.

>This is my whole point and I don't care whether
>you agree or not wise guy, because I've done a lot of
>independent research and I'm right about it!

I didn't have any illusions you believed anything different.

>You're right about any OS being as good as the any other.

Not waht I said, and quite wrong. An OS is only good for a specific
situation. Responsible admins choose the OS based on their own
situations and concerns.

>Now, so long and stop dreaming about ....ah, who cares.

Adieu. But I won't stop dreaming.

Jeff