Ok,

So now I have officially spent 112 hours trying to get this to work
with no success. We're getting into used-airplane territory here. :)

First of all, in a sick sort of way, I am a bit happy. After
consulting with a couple of heavy-weights in the industry, I have
learned that I am not entirely inept - they couldn't get it to work
either.

By "it", I mean a simple WebDAV configuration. Nothing fancy, maybe a
web folder or two accessing files residing on same machine that hots
IIS 7.0+WebDAV+Vista Ultimate.

I have also learned that the problem is not what I originally
considered to be a possibility, that IIS 7.0 was not meant to run on
Vista. After reading carefully Robert McMurray's postings on IIS.NET
and carefully reading other postings, my guess is some marketing-head
at Microsoft specifically instructed the engineers to omit the fact
that IIS 7.0 will run on Vista, perhaps to create confusion as to
whether it would or not, so that all the Dilbert's of the world would
be frightened at the possibility that it might not, and purchase
Windows Server 2008.

For the record, I am running IIS 7.0+WebDAV on Vista even though the
official Microsoft documentation says "You must be running Windows
Server 2008." Whether it actually works or not on Vista, I really have
no idea, because right now it does not seem to work on anything.

If I were Keith Moore, I would geared up to defend my work right
around now. It seems that there are many people having problems with
this "single greatest reason to purchase Windows 2008."

If there is anyone reading this who has managed to get IIS 7.0+WebDAV
to work on Vista or 2008 in any repeatable manner, any at all, I'd
like to hear from you.

-Le Chaud Lapin-

Re: IIS 7.0 WebDAV Stable Product? by David

David
Sat Mar 15 03:52:07 CDT 2008

Actually, what has really happened here is:
1. Microsoft said that WebDAV works on Windows Server 2008 and said
nothing about Vista
2. You speculated that WebDAV works on Vista

While I applaud you for the tenacious effort, all you have officially
done is waste 112 hours of your own time based on your speculation of
something that is unsupported. Feel free to buy yourself the used-
airplane from Keith when you are done. :-)

Now, Keith really has nothing to defend until you come up with
something that says "WebDAV is NOT working on Windows Server 2008".
Microsoft (including Keith) can hardly be held responsible for
unsupported actions, and that includes commenting.

Personally, the only thing that can make you happy is if you somehow
convince Keith to make WebDAV module work on Vista. And what you are
currently doing is not going to make that happen.


//David
http://w3-4u.blogspot.com
http://blogs.msdn.com/David.Wang
//




On Mar 14, 10:06=A0pm, Le Chaud Lapin <jaibudu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ok,
>
> So now I have officially spent 112 hours trying to get this to work
> with no success. =A0We're getting into used-airplane territory here. :)
>
> First of all, in a sick sort of way, I am a bit happy. =A0After
> consulting with a couple of heavy-weights in the industry, I have
> learned that I am not entirely inept - they couldn't get it to work
> either.
>
> By "it", I mean a simple WebDAV configuration. =A0Nothing fancy, maybe a
> web folder or two accessing files residing on same machine that hots
> IIS 7.0+WebDAV+Vista Ultimate.
>
> I have also learned that the problem is not what I originally
> considered to be a possibility, that IIS 7.0 was not meant to run on
> Vista. After reading carefully Robert McMurray's postings on IIS.NET
> and carefully reading other postings, my guess is some marketing-head
> at Microsoft specifically instructed the engineers to omit the fact
> that IIS 7.0 will run on Vista, perhaps to create confusion as to
> whether it would or not, so that all the Dilbert's of the world would
> be frightened at the possibility that it might not, and purchase
> Windows Server 2008.
>
> For the record, I am running IIS 7.0+WebDAV on Vista even though the
> official Microsoft documentation says "You must be running Windows
> Server 2008." Whether it actually works or not on Vista, I really have
> no idea, because right now it does not seem to work on anything.
>
> If I were Keith Moore, I would geared up to defend my work right
> around now. =A0It seems that there are many people having problems with
> this "single greatest reason to purchase Windows 2008."
>
> If there is anyone reading this who has managed to get IIS 7.0+WebDAV
> to work on Vista or 2008 in any repeatable manner, any at all, I'd
> like to hear from you.
>
> -Le Chaud Lapin-


Re: IIS 7.0 WebDAV Stable Product? by Le

Le
Sat Mar 15 08:11:46 CDT 2008

On Mar 15, 3:52=A0am, David Wang <w3.4...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Actually, what has really happened here is:
> 1. Microsoft said that WebDAV works on Windows Server 2008 and said
> nothing about Vista

Actually they did. What is remarkable is that in some places, it is
evident that the word Vista is being carefully avoided. In other
places, the word Vista is explicitly used. Robert M
> 2. You speculated that WebDAV works on Vista
>
> While I applaud you for the tenacious effort, all you have officially
> done is waste 112 hours of your own time based on your speculation of
> something that is unsupported. Feel free to buy yourself the used-
> airplane from Keith when you are done. :-)
>
> Now, Keith really has nothing to defend until you come up with
> something that says "WebDAV is NOT working on Windows Server 2008".
> Microsoft (including Keith) can hardly be held responsible for
> unsupported actions, and that includes commenting.

Well, I do not know if it is or not, but 4 of those hours were spend
on Windows Server 2008 yesterday. I also tried Windows 2003 but
forgot IIS 6.0 installation and aborted and went back to Windows
Server 2008 with no luck. IOW, Vista--->Server 2008 with Web Folders
did not work.

I checked the Internet and found numbers problems with people trying
to get this to work. So I figured I would come here and at least start
with that as a baseline.

Note that I am a conservative user. I only install things that I
actually need and actually plan to use, which is typically very
little. I've only had 3 "viruses" in 20 years, two of them the
anonymous-access-FTP-cannot-delete-junk-files "virus" and the other
the Windows broadcast messenger service "virus" from about 8 years
ago, so my machines are clean and with nothing special about my
configuration.

Windows Vista Ultimate ---- > Windows Server 2008

I try "Add network location"/etc. in Explorer.exe, and I get

---------------------------
Add Network Location
---------------------------
The folder you entered does not appear to be valid. Please choose
another.
---------------------------
OK
---------------------------

repeatedly.

-Le Chaud Lapin-

Re: IIS 7.0 WebDAV Stable Product? by David

David
Sun Mar 16 03:26:39 CDT 2008

On Mar 15, 6:11=A0am, Le Chaud Lapin <jaibudu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 15, 3:52=A0am, David Wang <w3.4...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Actually, what has really happened here is:
> > 1. Microsoft said that WebDAV works on Windows Server 2008 and said
> > nothing about Vista
>
> Actually they did. =A0What is remarkable is that in some places, it is
> evident that the word Vista is being carefully avoided. In other
> places, the word Vista is explicitly used. =A0Robert M
>
> > 2. You speculated that WebDAV works on Vista
>
> > While I applaud you for the tenacious effort, all you have officially
> > done is waste 112 hours of your own time based on your speculation of
> > something that is unsupported. Feel free to buy yourself the used-
> > airplane from Keith when you are done. :-)
>
> > Now, Keith really has nothing to defend until you come up with
> > something that says "WebDAV is NOT working on Windows Server 2008".
> > Microsoft (including Keith) can hardly be held responsible for
> > unsupported actions, and that includes commenting.
>
> Well, I do not know if it is or not, but 4 of those hours were spend
> on Windows Server 2008 yesterday. =A0I also tried Windows 2003 but
> forgot IIS 6.0 installation and aborted and went back to Windows
> Server 2008 with no luck. IOW, Vista--->Server 2008 with Web Folders
> did not work.
>
> I checked the Internet and found numbers problems with people trying
> to get this to work. So I figured I would come here and at least start
> with that as a baseline.
>
> Note that I am a conservative user. =A0I only install things that I
> actually need and actually plan to use, which is typically very
> little. I've only had 3 "viruses" in 20 years, two of them the
> anonymous-access-FTP-cannot-delete-junk-files "virus" and the other
> the Windows broadcast messenger service "virus" from about 8 years
> ago, so my machines are clean and with nothing special about my
> configuration.
>
> Windows Vista Ultimate ---- > Windows Server 2008
>
> I try "Add network location"/etc. in Explorer.exe, and I get
>
> ---------------------------
> Add Network Location
> ---------------------------
> The folder you entered does not appear to be valid. =A0Please choose
> another.
> ---------------------------
> OK
> ---------------------------
>
> repeatedly.
>
> -Le Chaud Lapin-



If you think it is an issue in Windows Server 2008 with WebDAV, then
simply contact Microsoft PSS and let them take it from there. If it is
a true bug, this is the fastest way, other than personally knowing
Keith, to get attention.

Now, we should all agree that the Internet is hardly all factual
(especially since 70+% of traffic on it is spam...). A high percentage
of people fail to configure WORKING scenarios -- so please pardon my
skepticism about people failing to get something working on IIS as
"proof" of an issue.


//David
http://w3-4u.blogspot.com
http://blogs.msdn.com/David.Wang
//

Re: IIS 7.0 WebDAV Stable Product? by David

David
Sun Mar 16 03:37:35 CDT 2008

On Mar 16, 1:26=A0am, David Wang <w3.4...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 15, 6:11=A0am, Le Chaud Lapin <jaibudu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 15, 3:52=A0am, David Wang <w3.4...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Actually, what has really happened here is:
> > > 1. Microsoft said that WebDAV works on Windows Server 2008 and said
> > > nothing about Vista
>
> > Actually they did. =A0What is remarkable is that in some places, it is
> > evident that the word Vista is being carefully avoided. In other
> > places, the word Vista is explicitly used. =A0Robert M
>
> > > 2. You speculated that WebDAV works on Vista
>
> > > While I applaud you for the tenacious effort, all you have officially
> > > done is waste 112 hours of your own time based on your speculation of
> > > something that is unsupported. Feel free to buy yourself the used-
> > > airplane from Keith when you are done. :-)
>
> > > Now, Keith really has nothing to defend until you come up with
> > > something that says "WebDAV is NOT working on Windows Server 2008".
> > > Microsoft (including Keith) can hardly be held responsible for
> > > unsupported actions, and that includes commenting.
>
> > Well, I do not know if it is or not, but 4 of those hours were spend
> > on Windows Server 2008 yesterday. =A0I also tried Windows 2003 but
> > forgot IIS 6.0 installation and aborted and went back to Windows
> > Server 2008 with no luck. IOW, Vista--->Server 2008 with Web Folders
> > did not work.
>
> > I checked the Internet and found numbers problems with people trying
> > to get this to work. So I figured I would come here and at least start
> > with that as a baseline.
>
> > Note that I am a conservative user. =A0I only install things that I
> > actually need and actually plan to use, which is typically very
> > little. I've only had 3 "viruses" in 20 years, two of them the
> > anonymous-access-FTP-cannot-delete-junk-files "virus" and the other
> > the Windows broadcast messenger service "virus" from about 8 years
> > ago, so my machines are clean and with nothing special about my
> > configuration.
>
> > Windows Vista Ultimate ---- > Windows Server 2008
>
> > I try "Add network location"/etc. in Explorer.exe, and I get
>
> > ---------------------------
> > Add Network Location
> > ---------------------------
> > The folder you entered does not appear to be valid. =A0Please choose
> > another.
> > ---------------------------
> > OK
> > ---------------------------
>
> > repeatedly.
>
> > -Le Chaud Lapin-
>
> If you think it is an issue in Windows Server 2008 with WebDAV, then
> simply contact Microsoft PSS and let them take it from there. If it is
> a true bug, this is the fastest way, other than personally knowing
> Keith, to get attention.
>
> Now, we should all agree that the Internet is hardly all factual
> (especially since 70+% of traffic on it is spam...). A high percentage
> of people fail to configure WORKING scenarios -- so please pardon my
> skepticism about people failing to get something working on IIS as
> "proof" of an issue.
>
> //Davidhttp://w3-4u.blogspot.comhttp://blogs.msdn.com/David.Wang
> //- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -



I was going to just install WebDAV on Windows Server 2008 and see what
the noise is about.

It appears that Vista does work with WebDAV from Windows Server 2008.

http://forums.iis.net/t/1148272.aspx

Perhaps you ask for refunds from your industry heavyweights... ;-)

As for documentation -- just remember what I have said from the other
thread about documentation. Would not surprise me if your observation
of the inconsistency of mentioning Vista is simply the mistake of some
technical documentation writer trying to "add value" and putting in
the wrong words in the wrong places. I've certainly had to fight
through years of that myself.


//David
http://w3-4u.blogspot.com
http://blogs.msdn.com/David.Wang
//

Re: IIS 7.0 WebDAV Stable Product? by Le

Le
Sun Mar 16 16:19:15 CDT 2008

On Mar 16, 3:37=A0am, David Wang <w3.4...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I was going to just install WebDAV on Windows Server 2008 and see what
> the noise is about.

You know, that might not be a bad idea. If I look deep enough, I will
eventually find the reason why my configuration is not working, but I
would really rather not. I know a lot of others would rather not.
The benefit of having someone who could rattle off answer quickly...

Yes, I know, call Product Support, but that can be a frustrating
experience in itself.

> It appears that Vista does work with WebDAV from Windows Server 2008.
>
> http://forums.iis.net/t/1148272.aspx
>
> Perhaps you ask for refunds from your industry heavyweights... ;-)

In due time (pun intended). :)

> As for documentation -- just remember what I have said from the other
> thread about documentation. Would not surprise me if your observation
> of the inconsistency of mentioning Vista is simply the mistake of some
> technical documentation writer trying to "add value" and putting in
> the wrong words in the wrong places. I've certainly had to fight
> through years of that myself.

I have learned a few things about my particular situation with IIS 7.0
doing this:

1. The IIS 7.0 WebDAV module will not allow PUTs with anonymous
logins.
2. The only time I have issues is when the username/password is not
being show in IIS log file line.
3. If I use WinHTTP WebDAV test tool,
4. I cannot get any tool on Vista Ultimate to make successful WebDAV
request to http://test.webdav.org/ under any circumtances.
5. Using Alin Constantin's tool (http://www.alinconstantin.com/
download/Winhttp.zip), I can manually put in username/password in to
InternetConnect(), but the username/password will not show up in IIS
7.0 log file.

So..that's it.

-Le Chaud Lapin-