Is .NET free?

I downloaded .NET framework from MSDN and I can write C# programs in Notepad.
Can I sell them? Do I need any other Licenses? I don't use Visual Studio .NET.

Miha
Sat Mar 26 06:20:00 CST 2005

Hi,

Yes, you can sell them.

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"Win948576" <Win948576@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:72A5D37B-FA04-4D3C-AE68-E25E2A033D1A@microsoft.com...
>I downloaded .NET framework from MSDN and I can write C# programs in
>Notepad.
> Can I sell them? Do I need any other Licenses? I don't use Visual Studio
> .NET.

Frank
Sat Mar 26 06:38:39 CST 2005


> I downloaded .NET framework from MSDN and I can write C# programs in
> Notepad. Can I sell them? Do I need any other Licenses? I don't use
> Visual Studio .NET.

But you should consider using Visual Studio .NET ...

Another Option: A pretty good environment which is also free:
http://www.icsharpcode.net/OpenSource/SD/Default.aspx

Regards,
Frank
www.frankeller.de

Cowboy
Sat Mar 26 08:35:05 CST 2005

You can do what you wish, as the .NET Framework is free. This includes
selling what you write. The main reason for picking up a good IDE is
simplifying your coding, as coding in notepad is painful.

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MVP; MCP: +I, SE, SD, DBA

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"Win948576" <Win948576@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:72A5D37B-FA04-4D3C-AE68-E25E2A033D1A@microsoft.com...
>I downloaded .NET framework from MSDN and I can write C# programs in
>Notepad.
> Can I sell them? Do I need any other Licenses? I don't use Visual Studio
> .NET.

Anubhav
Sat Mar 26 22:39:31 CST 2005

Its free, but think of the following things
1. Visual Studio reduced the development time by almost 30% to 50% depending
on the nature of the application.
2. Debugging is cool in VS.net

so when u can still use text editor to write a .net application I would
recoment using VS.net as the editor.

Thanks
Anubhav


"Win948576" <Win948576@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:72A5D37B-FA04-4D3C-AE68-E25E2A033D1A@microsoft.com...
>I downloaded .NET framework from MSDN and I can write C# programs in
>Notepad.
> Can I sell them? Do I need any other Licenses? I don't use Visual Studio
> .NET.

Jon
Sun Mar 27 00:43:22 CST 2005

Cowboy (Gregory A. Beamer) <NoSpamMgbworld@comcast.netNoSpamM> wrote:
> You can do what you wish, as the .NET Framework is free. This includes
> selling what you write. The main reason for picking up a good IDE is
> simplifying your coding, as coding in notepad is painful.

However, there are alternatives, some of which are free, which are a
lot better than Notepad :)

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Kerem
Sun Mar 27 10:43:08 CST 2005

> The main reason for picking up a good IDE is simplifying your coding, as
> coding in notepad is painful.

What? Notepad is painfull? Did you ever wrote a Unix Shell script with vi
over a 33,6 Modem using ssh from the other side of the world and then
you tell us that Notepad and .NET is painfull. i wrote "fully -fledged"
applications wth notepad instead using the VS.NET or #develop, because
sometimes there is no IDE available,...........and what then?

Also this is my recommendation to new programmers: coding in notepad
will sharpening your "debugger-eye" and you will be more familliar (in fact
you must!) with the compiler and .NET Framework or whatever
Programming-Language or Technique you will use.
Everybody can work with a IDE, especially with things like VS.NET and
#develop...

Dont hate me...........this is my experience........and i think it is best
(at least to me!)


Best Regards

Kerem Gümrükcü

Frank
Sun Mar 27 11:08:16 CST 2005

Hi Kerem,

> Also this is my recommendation to new programmers: coding in notepad
> will sharpening your "debugger-eye" and you will be more familliar
> (in fact you must!) with the compiler and .NET Framework or whatever
> Programming-Language or Technique you will use.
> Everybody can work with a IDE, especially with things like VS.NET and
> #develop...

Sure. And I can also write application with notepad ... I think I know .NET
good enough and long enough to know how to write programs from scratch with
an text editor. I just don't do it ... and the reasons are obvious.

The main reason of course is that VS.NET saves me a lot of time and it also
helps me a lot while coding ... and with the next version, the
express-versions of VS.NET should not be too expensive (50$ is nothing for a
development environment like that).

However ... of course it's your choice how to work.

Regards,

Frank Eller
www.frankeller.de

Jon
Sun Mar 27 13:28:57 CST 2005

Kerem G=FCmr=FCkc=FC <kareem114@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > The main reason for picking up a good IDE is simplifying your coding, a=
s=20
> > coding in notepad is painful.
>=20
> What? Notepad is painfull? Did you ever wrote a Unix Shell script with vi
> over a 33,6 Modem using ssh from the other side of the world and then
> you tell us that Notepad and .NET is painfull. i wrote "fully -fledged"
> applications wth notepad instead using the VS.NET or #develop, because
> sometimes there is no IDE available,...........and what then?
>=20
> Also this is my recommendation to new programmers: coding in notepad
> will sharpening your "debugger-eye" and you will be more familliar (in fa=
ct
> you must!) with the compiler and .NET Framework or whatever
> Programming-Language or Technique you will use.
> Everybody can work with a IDE, especially with things like VS.NET and
> #develop...
>=20
> Dont hate me...........this is my experience........and i think it is bes=
t=20
> (at least to me!)

There are plenty of *much* better text editors than Notepad, however. I=20
agree that it's helpful to be capable of working without a debugger=20
when necessary, but a text editor which performs syntax highlighting,=20
can cope with having more than one file open etc doesn't stop you from=20
doing that - it just stops you from swearing at Notepad quite so often.

--=20
Jon Skeet - <skeet@pobox.com>
http://www.pobox.com/~skeet
If replying to the group, please do not mail me too

Michael
Sun Mar 27 21:18:04 CST 2005

On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 03:43:02 -0800, Win948576
<Win948576@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>I downloaded .NET framework from MSDN and I can write C# programs in Notepad.
>Can I sell them? Do I need any other Licenses? I don't use Visual Studio .NET.

Why don't you go the whole hog, and use "edlin"?

Alejandro
Sun Mar 27 21:49:48 CST 2005

edlin is still in windows xp!

Best Regards,
Alejandro Lapeyre
"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> escribió en el mensaje
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> On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 03:43:02 -0800, Win948576
> <Win948576@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>>I downloaded .NET framework from MSDN and I can write C# programs in
>>Notepad.
>>Can I sell them? Do I need any other Licenses? I don't use Visual Studio
>>.NET.
>
> Why don't you go the whole hog, and use "edlin"?

Michael
Thu May 26 14:29:02 CDT 2005

Kerem Gümrükcü <kareem114@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>The main reason for picking up a good IDE is simplifying your coding, as
>>>coding in notepad is painful.
>>
>>What? Notepad is painfull? Did you ever wrote a Unix Shell script with vi
>>over a 33,6 Modem using ssh from the other side of the world and then
>>you tell us that Notepad and .NET is painfull. i wrote "fully -fledged"
>>applications wth notepad instead using the VS.NET or #develop, because
>>sometimes there is no IDE available,...........and what then?

I don't know what to say, do you want a prize? Fact is, Notepad IS
painfull... I use notepad when I have to, when the project dicates it...
but I'd prefer not to. I'd prefer an IDE. Of course, sometimes you
have to do it otherwise. vi is also achingly painfull. The problem
with programs like vi is that it's just another ancient unix command
that only people who like to recompile their kernels use. In all my
time running linux boxes I've used pico... call me lame, call me
uncultured, using vi makes me want to smash myself in the face with a
glass, it's simply for the 'old guard'.

That whole attitude of close-to-the-metal era of programming is almost
as bad as the current crop of programmers who can't even seem to
construct a propper sentence.

~m.

gerry
Thu May 26 16:23:40 CDT 2005

is that a 'proper' sentence or a 'popper' sentence or a 'proper popper'
sentence ? ;-)

"Michael McCarthy" <nomailhere@nomail.com> wrote in message
news:u6fxqkiYFHA.2420@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Kerem Gümrükcü <kareem114@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>>The main reason for picking up a good IDE is simplifying your coding,
as
> >>>coding in notepad is painful.
> >>
> >>What? Notepad is painfull? Did you ever wrote a Unix Shell script with
vi
> >>over a 33,6 Modem using ssh from the other side of the world and then
> >>you tell us that Notepad and .NET is painfull. i wrote "fully -fledged"
> >>applications wth notepad instead using the VS.NET or #develop, because
> >>sometimes there is no IDE available,...........and what then?
>
> I don't know what to say, do you want a prize? Fact is, Notepad IS
> painfull... I use notepad when I have to, when the project dicates it...
> but I'd prefer not to. I'd prefer an IDE. Of course, sometimes you
> have to do it otherwise. vi is also achingly painfull. The problem
> with programs like vi is that it's just another ancient unix command
> that only people who like to recompile their kernels use. In all my
> time running linux boxes I've used pico... call me lame, call me
> uncultured, using vi makes me want to smash myself in the face with a
> glass, it's simply for the 'old guard'.
>
> That whole attitude of close-to-the-metal era of programming is almost
> as bad as the current crop of programmers who can't even seem to
> construct a propper sentence.
>
> ~m.

ozbear
Thu May 26 18:53:36 CDT 2005

On Thu, 26 May 2005 15:29:02 -0400, Michael McCarthy
<nomailhere@nomail.com> wrote:
<snip>
>
>That whole attitude of close-to-the-metal era of programming is almost
>as bad as the current crop of programmers who can't even seem to
>construct a propper sentence.
>
>~m.

Or spell "proper" properly.....

Oz
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Lloyd
Thu May 26 23:36:21 CDT 2005

ho... some troll ;)

"Michael McCarthy" <nomailhere@nomail.com> wrote in message
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> Kerem Gümrükcü <kareem114@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>The main reason for picking up a good IDE is simplifying your coding, as
>>>>coding in notepad is painful.
>>>
>>>What? Notepad is painfull? Did you ever wrote a Unix Shell script with vi
>>>over a 33,6 Modem using ssh from the other side of the world and then
>>>you tell us that Notepad and .NET is painfull. i wrote "fully -fledged"
>>>applications wth notepad instead using the VS.NET or #develop, because
>>>sometimes there is no IDE available,...........and what then?
>
> I don't know what to say, do you want a prize? Fact is, Notepad IS
> painfull... I use notepad when I have to, when the project dicates it...
> but I'd prefer not to. I'd prefer an IDE. Of course, sometimes you have
> to do it otherwise. vi is also achingly painfull. The problem with
> programs like vi is that it's just another ancient unix command that only
> people who like to recompile their kernels use. In all my time running
> linux boxes I've used pico... call me lame, call me uncultured, using vi
> makes me want to smash myself in the face with a glass, it's simply for
> the 'old guard'.
>
> That whole attitude of close-to-the-metal era of programming is almost as
> bad as the current crop of programmers who can't even seem to construct a
> propper sentence.
>
> ~m.

Tom
Thu May 26 23:56:04 CDT 2005

On 2005-05-26, Michael McCarthy <nomailhere@nomail.com> wrote:
> Kerem Gümrükcü <kareem114@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>The main reason for picking up a good IDE is simplifying your coding, as
>>>>coding in notepad is painful.
>>>
>>>What? Notepad is painfull? Did you ever wrote a Unix Shell script with vi
>>>over a 33,6 Modem using ssh from the other side of the world and then
>>>you tell us that Notepad and .NET is painfull. i wrote "fully -fledged"
>>>applications wth notepad instead using the VS.NET or #develop, because
>>>sometimes there is no IDE available,...........and what then?
>
> I don't know what to say, do you want a prize? Fact is, Notepad IS
> painfull... I use notepad when I have to, when the project dicates it...
> but I'd prefer not to. I'd prefer an IDE. Of course, sometimes you
> have to do it otherwise. vi is also achingly painfull. The problem
> with programs like vi is that it's just another ancient unix command
> that only people who like to recompile their kernels use. In all my
> time running linux boxes I've used pico... call me lame, call me
> uncultured, using vi makes me want to smash myself in the face with a
> glass, it's simply for the 'old guard'.
>

I hate vi too... Yep - just give me vim. Of course, I just recompiled
my kernel last night :)

You know what? I've always wished that VS would implement a vi mode in
the editor.... One can always dream.

--
Tom Shelton [MVP]

BGlacain
Fri May 27 12:53:57 CDT 2005


"Tom Shelton"
>
> You know what? I've always wished that VS would implement a vi mode in
> the editor.... One can always dream.
>
> --
Have you tried something like this:
http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=864

Michael
Fri May 27 13:37:29 CDT 2005

gerry wrote:
> is that a 'proper' sentence or a 'popper' sentence or a 'proper popper'
> sentence ? ;-)
>

I never said I was a 'poper' spellar.

Tom
Fri May 27 23:45:16 CDT 2005

On 2005-05-27, BGlacain <bglacain@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> "Tom Shelton"
>>
>> You know what? I've always wished that VS would implement a vi mode in
>> the editor.... One can always dream.
>>
>> --
> Have you tried something like this:
> http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=864
>
>

No, I haven't... But, I just might - thanks for the link...
--
Tom Shelton [MVP]

Alvin
Sat May 28 22:33:56 CDT 2005

in my couple months experience :-) i've never had to use notepad. i think i
would promptly quit if i were forced to use notepad to code. at one place i
worked, i went thru hells trying to get the programmers to abandon notepad
to and use studio. what eventually convinced them was that i was whipping
out applications in a couple hours while their time was spent adjust screen
output and recompiling. go figure

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"Michael McCarthy" <nomailhere@nomail.com> wrote in message
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> gerry wrote:
>> is that a 'proper' sentence or a 'popper' sentence or a 'proper popper'
>> sentence ? ;-)
>>
>
> I never said I was a 'poper' spellar.